Securitys Inspector General conducted these experiments. Tsa officers failed 67 out of the 70 tests. Thats 95 of the time, to actually identify and confiscate these items. They got through the mag any somer it the patdowns the searches the whole thing. It should be noted the tsa also does similar kinds of tests on themselves to see what are these holes in the Security System and how can they be addressed. Theyve been doing this now for 13 years. But these tests by both the Inspector Generals office and tsa by their very nature is designed to make it very hard for the tsa to succeed. Even former Homeland SecurityOfficials Say theyre very alarmed by what they found. So given the fact that they were able to get all this stuff through, what changes for all of us next . We dont know exactly or precisely whats change but we know jeh johnson is trying to get on top of all this. He put out a statement this morning saying that these numbers and these reports, they never look good out of context, theyre a critical element in the continual evolution of Aviation Security but it goes on to say that they have already implemented a series of actions to address these issues raised in the report. Not specifics. We dont foeknow exactly what it is. They also emphasize there are multiple layers of protection that the tsa uses. Some things we see, some things we dont see. Its not just about these screening of check points. Youve got the random canine screenings, reinforced cockpit doors, federal air marshals all that going into the Security System. But this portion, what we saw initially, certainly failed. Clearly did if were talking 95 of the time. Suzanne malveaux thank you so much. For the first time in seven years, the National Security agency is not collecting your phone data. That is because the u. S. Senate let the patriot act expire thus ending the cell phone spying of americans. But those same lawmakers are now working to approve a new version of it called the usa free come act. Many blame credit the patriot acts temporary stall to senator rand paul from kentucky saying hes putting his ambitions to be president above National Security. The court has said how can records be relevant to an investigation that hasnt started . The court has said that even under these lower standards, even under these standards of saying that it would be relevant this all of the stuff theyre collecting is precisely irrelevant. People here in town think im making a huge mistake. Some of them i think, secretly want there to be an attack on the United States so they can blame it on me. Im joined now by cnn National Political reporter. Welcome to both of you. Thank you. Matt you up first. With your piece in the new yorker, youre saying, you know ed snowden shouldnt have been necessary to expose a program that you call conclusively ineffective and according to one court illegal. Tell me why. Thats right, brooke. The job of congress and the courts and the president is to figure out what the nsa is doing to make sure its in line with the law. Now just rolling back to snowden, we have a chain of events in which an nsa contractor disclosing the existence of the Metadata Program has now led to a federal court of appeals finding it to be illegal and Congress Just yesterday shutting it down. This isnt how its supposed to work. How is it supposed to work . The courts are supposed to be looking at this. The fisa court is supposed to be making section two and five is in line with the Fourth Amendment of the constitution. The fact we needed snowden to me is a symptom that the system of oversight is not working. I want to come back to you because this is sort of this interim period between last night and the freedom act and what this means for now. But i was just handed a statement. We cant talk about all this without talking about senator rand paul and the victory, albeit brief, right, with president obama and senators including many of whom in his own party. So he was essentially saying this is the quote thats been everywhere. People here in town think im making a huge mistake. Some of them i think, secretly want there to be an attack on the u. S. So they can blame it on me. Heres what we now have. Apparently he was just on fox news. This is what he said. I think sometimes in the heat of battle, hyperbole can get the better of anyone and that may be the problem here. The point i was trying to make is that i think sometimes people do use fear to try to get us to give up our liberty. Whats he doing with that . Well we just have to remember that this is the issue that is rand pauls sweet spot. Its how he came its for the base right . Right. Its how zsh the reason that many voters love him. I was just in iowa this past weekend talking to many of them. Many people feel the federal government has gone too far. Its also interesting for rarpd paul because throwing it forward to his hopes for the president ial race its the sweet spot where he could bring together potentially liberals and some conservatives who are concerned about this issue in a sort of general election coalition. So hes taking a huge risk here. Its obviously harmed his relationships with a number of his Senate Colleagues but for a long time hold on. Hes become the punching bag. Hes become this public enemy number one. Even someone who endorsed him Mitch Mcconnell there in the senate the way he spoke about him yesterday. I have to wonder when doors are closed what really is their relationship. But still. Theres probably a lot of yelling going on behind the doors for sure. Mccain, for example, who has been one of the people who has been criticizing rand paul most theyve always had a really tense relationship. But the relationship with mcconnell is interesting because he really needed rand paul out on the campaign trail in 2014. So that relationship could be irreparably damaged by this. We dont know. Well have to see looking at the polls in the future whether rand has gone too far for gop voters with this considering that the program was shut down. Just off the top of my head recent polling, six out of ten americans Want Congress to renew the program. So theres that. Here are the numbers. Matt, to you. Youve seen the numbers also in this period between presumably the freedom act, what happens if theres a terror attack . Well thats what weve been asking for the last 13 years, isnt it . It hasnt happened. What we do know is section 215 hasnt prevented a single terrorist attack or terrorist plot domestically in that entire period. I think what were seeing now is a transition from a time when the government can just say National Security heres the name of a new group of sunni extremists who are posting twitter messages saying they want to kill you, give us everything we need well figure out the details in the back room. Dont worry about the fine print. Well take care of that with our white papers with our legal counsel. Were transitioning from that to where they have to make their case with data and have to be held accountable to other branches of government and show results. The reason why section 215 wasnt renewed last night is because they failed time and time again to do that two years after the programs been revealed. Theyve had 24 months to make their case. They simply havent done it. I think rand paul is making some political hay out of it. Hes a senator from kentucky. Hes running for president. Thats his job. Hes supposed to get in there and be feisty and say what people care about. Thats what hes doing. Only people like senator mark udall and senator pat leahy have been banging on this for a lot longer, but you can see them protecting their flank a little bit. I think its good to have someone in there stirring things up and saying to the Mitch Mcconnells and John Brennans of the world, you just havent made your case show us the data. Matt great piece in the new yorker on this. Thank you so much for hopping on the show. Really appreciate it. Sure. Its my pleasure. I appreciate both of you. So good to be with you. Coming up next this crime wave putting some americans on edge. Some of the countrys biggest cities. Are officers afraid to do their jobs . Thats a huge discussion were going to have. Also, well speak live with a lawyer who just met with the suspect in the d. C. Mansion murders. Also nancy grace, shell weigh in on this. She has questions as well. And the cover that has everyone talking right now. This is Caitlyn Jenner. 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Liberty mutual insurance. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. Major cities across the United States rocked by this crime spike not seen in years. Take baltimore, for example. The city is facing its deadliest month in more than 40 years. As of today, 43 homicides in just four weeks. Even that pales in comparison to the crime spikes seen in milwaukee. Homicides jumped 180 there this year. Murders and shootings up in new york, up in chicago, up in st. Louis and atlanta. These wall street journal numbers coming after two decades of a steady decline in overall crime. Joining me cnn Law Enforcement analyst and retired edd nypd detective. Also a professor at seton hall law school. Gentlemen, great to have you both on. Good afternoon. Nice to be here. Harry, to you first. When we run through some of these numbers, and we talked about this before but why is crime up . Why do you think . Theres probably a number of different factors why crime is up. First of all, lets put the blame on the criminals and not on the police like this article pretty much does here that he had written. Were going to get to that in a second. Right. Keep going. So basically, we got Police Officers out there that are tired of the rhetoric against themselves. Police officers are answering calls. Theyre responding to 911 calls, makes arrests when warranted. I dont think Police Officers are out there taking that extra step thats required. Harry, have you heard about this ferguson effect . This is Heather Mcdonald writing about this in the wall street journal, what the st. Louis police chief had referenced how Police Officers are disengaging from how she refers to as discretionary enforcement activity and the criminal element is feeling empowered. The ferguson effect. Right, exactly. Theyre definitely feeling empowered. Youre talking the ferguson effect. Thats a good example here. We got a Police Officer who acted properly all right, was totally exonerated and was still vilified in the press and vilified by politicians. This is what Police Officers do not want to have to go through. When they act out there on the street theyre making splitsecond decisions. They want the benefit of the doubt, all right. Lets wait for an investigation to be concluded before you start vilifying Police Officers. Okay. David, i got to get you in here. You write in slate, the stories of the hero cop are used to legitimize. Even questioning Police Behavior is decried as disloyal unamerican, and dangerous. What are you saying here . Are you saying that cops arent heroes . Well, some are and some arent. But what we do is we create this narrative that cloaks all the Police Officers in this sense of invinceability in invinceability and heroism. On my way up here today, i saw a piece that literally ran on your air ten minutes ago that said texas cop comforts grieving teen. Okay. Thats great. Im glad he did. And the first thing he said is lots of strangers reached out to me to express condolences. What we focused on what you focused on was the cop who did it which by the way is great. Im not decrying what he did. Im just saying that the media tends to create and perpetuate a myth that is propounded by Police Officers and Police Unions about the nature of police work and its dangerousness. Go ahead, gary. You read this article of yours. You should have named it why i hate the police. Thats basically what it is. But i dont hate the police. Yes, you do. Reading this article, you do sir. You have a problem with officers being heroes. Here in your article, you state, and i quote, Police Officers are shot and killed but this is fairly a rare phenomenon. But thats true. How many numbers would make you happy . There are Police Officers there are a thousand Police Officers every day getting injured on the streets. Were not hearing about it. Whenever youre done ill happily respond. Are you done . Go ahead, david. Okay. The answer is every cop who dies in the line of duty is tragic. Im not in favor of anybody dying. Its absurd to suggest that i am. What i am saying is, and this is the part youre having trouble responding to it is in fact by the numbers, a rare phenomenon. What i pointed out in the piece that obviously has gotten you very upset is the fact that according to the bureau of labor statistics the Government Agency that compiles these numbers, police work doesnt even crack the top ten list of most dangerous jobs. And thats the kind of thing that obviously you respond with a lot of anger to. A lot of people just dont know. All im interested in it putting the facts out there so that people can be rational in making decisions about these issues. Because transparency and accountability matter in a democracy. Let me jump in. Harry, does david have a point in that Police Officers have leeway . He points out how and i can think of a recent example where Police Officers after, lets say, theres been a shooting. They have a couple days to get stories straight. Does he have a point . Thats their fundamental right, okay . Its not to get their story straight. Thats their fundamental right. A Police Officer so do you want to take the constitutional laws away from Police Officers . If a cop harry, thats absurd. If a cop doesnt want to talk about an incident he does not have to. We had one officer in baltimore who did not give a statement to the Police Officers. He can do that. Thats his right, sir, just like it is yours. Lets just be clear. Its not constitutional. Those are statutory. Theres a difference. Those are statutory rights incumbent that have been passed by legislatures right, often termed as Police Officers bills of rights which accord them special and unique privileges. It is not their constitutional right. It is a right that we grant them. And the question is youre a member of a union, sir. Your union makes sure youve got special rights also. But all that is trumped by the constitution. You can take all that away and if a Police Officer does not want to make a statement about an incident hes in and there might be potential criminal liability, he does 23409not have to make a statement. Nobody has to make a statement. Obviously nobody has to make a statement. Thats the fifth amendment. And youre right. Unions the unions have created a system in which Police Officers are afforded special and unique rights. The question is is that smart, and does that enhance justice . And i think that there is some pretty solid evidence to suggest that those things do not do the things that they were suggested they would do. So solution wise hold on hold on. David, in reading your piece, and to your point, this is almost unamerican to have this conversation. This is not a popular conversation to have. Im glad were having it looking at both sides. But to your point, you write about the sense of invinceability and righteousness among police. How then, moving ahead, would you counter that david . I think its very important to have accountability and transparency. What that means is greater civilian oversight of the police. We need to remove some of the systemic advantages that the Police Officers all are accorded so that we can treat them fairly like we treat everybody else in the system. Thats all. Look, the reality is and you mentioned this earlier. In fact harry mentioned theyre not taking the extra step. At the end of the day, Police Officers are civil servants. Theyre there to do a job. It shouldnt be up to them whether or not to do a good job. Do a good job. Thats what we expect of teachers and sanitation workers and everybody else that taxpayers pay. Its not too much to ask. Gary final word. You compare lumber jacks to Police Officers. More lumber jacks are killed than Police Officers are. But you know what . Lumber jacks because the bureau of labor statistics a tree isnt going to pull a gun and stick it in the face of a Police Officer and pull the trigger. You cannot equate accidents to Police Officers. Harry, david, gentlemen, its an important conversation. It was a pleasure. Lets have it again. Thank you both very very much. Important to talk about it. May not be pretty. Coming up next a meeting between the suspect in the washington mansion murders and his former lawyer about whether or not he even likes pizza. That lawyer will join me live next. Plus well get nancy graces take on this whole thing. We got the new tempurflex and its got the spring and bounce of a traditional mattress. You sink into it but you can still move around. Now that i have a tempurflex, i can finally get a good nights sleep. vo change your sleep. Change your life. Change to tempurpedic. Happening right now, three members of a washington, d. C. Family are being laid to rest two weeks after they were murdered in their home. Police have charged daron wint with the deaths of this family and their housekeeper, but police say more people were involved. A lawyer visiting wint says he couldnt have committed the murders because he hates pizza. Let me bring in that lawyer. Wints former attorney. Also with me hln host and former prosecutor nancy grace. Welcome to both of you. Robin, youre up first because i know that you met with him, what for two hour over the weekend. You are staying true to this defense that he doesnt eat pizza. But heres the thing. That doesnt explain, you know, where he was that night. It doesnt explain why his dna was on the pizza. He doesnt have to prove anything. Hes presumed innocent. The government must prove hes guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The pizza was delivered outside the house. The murders were committed many hours later. Theres a huge time gap here, enough time toatlanta to miami and back. He did not commit these crimes. I spoke to him. He told me only good things about the male victim. He said he never met the mother. He said he would never hurt a child. He has a 14yearold daughter himself. He had five sisters and three brothers. All these kids took care of each other growing up. He would never hurt a child. By the way, hes charged with only one murder that of the father. So hold on. Where did he tell you where did he say he was that night . Well i am not going to reveal everything that we talked about, but i think they should start looking at some insiders who knew that the father was dispensing large amounts of cash could have 40,000 brought to his house without any Police Inquiry or any bank inquiry as though hed done this many times before. They should start looking at metals fabulous a Company Owned and run by him, where he was dispensing large amounts of cash which company went into forfich your and the irs was involved. Good luck telling all that to a jury. They shouldnt look at a little guy who worked there 11 years ago would never hold a grudge that long. Nancy grace, jump in. Try to follow this theory. A very wellrespected criminal defense attorney. Now we see why. His defense that wint doesnt like pizza. So lets follow that train of thought. That would mean that somebody else had to order the pizza, and then wint went up and ate it on the front porch and left. Oh and put it in the trash can. Okay that is ridiculous. But lets talk about your former client sir. You make him out to be some sort of gentle giant. He has a rap sheet as long as my arm, and it includes protective orders taken out by his own family that were afraid of him. How do you respond to that robin . There were in injuries in that case. He never hurt his dad. Because they got a protective order. So what . He had an arkt withgument with his dad. Hes got six convictions. Youre not carl lewis the olympic long jump champion to jump from arguing with your father to having four murders. No no. Im talking about taking out a protective order. His own father, a grown man, was so afraid of him, he took out a tpo. Thats the tip of the iceberg. Im looking at six convictions. If you want to tell me dna is junk science, good luck with that. The jury probably knows more about it than the three of us put together. You sound like the person who used to say that fbi hair evidence was convincing that his hair was found on the scene and it matched the hair on his head which the fbi later admitted was completely incorrect. If you look at the Washington Post just this weekend somebodys grasping at straws and its not me. There was an article this weekend where the fbi admitted many of its underlying assumptions in its dna matches were incorrect. Ive seen many cases where dna evidence was thrown out of court just like the Atlanta Braves would throw a pitch. Robin, let me ask, why are you out here defending him . You havent officially been hired as counsel, correct . His family retained me to go down and talk to him to take their love down to him, which i did, and to see how he was doing. They have not spoken to him since this all went down. His mother said he doesnt like pizza. His brother said he doesnt like pizza. Were back on the pizza . He doesnt like pizza. Pizza defense. Nancy grace, final word. Well, this is what i recall from the case after studying very carefully. Hes going to have to show to a jury and you say he doesnt have to prove anything. Thats true under the constitution. But once the state brings out evidence that his saliva his dna is on the pizza that was ordered in the home hes going to be hard pressed not to at least attack the credibility of the scientists. But one thing is over arcing in this case. That is the little boy. His injuries and the way he died different from all the other adults it was as if he was isolated from his family and tortured to get money while the father and mother could hear their child screaming, all right . Think about that. And daron wint is not charged with the murder of the little boy. Isnt that interesting . Hes charged only with the murder of the father. Give it time. Youre presuming him guilty not presuming him innocent. Based on the dna, yes. I am i certainly am. Dna is a big jump because there was a big time difference between the pizza being delivered and the deaths of the people in that house. Theyre going to figure this out. I appreciate the time. Well be watching. Thank you, both. I really appreciate both of you for coming on. I think nancy is going to come around to my position before long. Okay. Well see about that. Cue the laughter. Thanks to both of you. Next bruce jenner is revealing a whole new identity today, Caitlyn Jenner. Her announcement is on the cover of vanity fair. Well show you the photo and the story behind it coming up. Meet the worlds newest Energy Superpower. Surprised . In fact, america is now the worlds number one natural gas producer. And we could soon become number one in oil. Because Hydraulic Fracturing Technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. Supporting millions of new jobs. Billions in tax revenue. And a new century of American Energy security. The new Energy Superpower . Its red, white and blue. Log on to learn more. [ male announcer ] after John Huntsman was diagnosed with cancer, he founded huntsman cancer institute. 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When you go from being somebody who has secrets, that has this big mystery about yourself that you dont want anybody to find out, its enormously liberating to just say, you know what this is who i am. Just feeling like you have to present one face to some people and another face to other people its really exhausting. Its not even just gender issues. I think a lot of us do that all the time and gender is a specific thing to look at where we do an awful lot of presentation that may not be ourselves, but i think a lot of people can relate to that whether its, you know you have to be this one person at work or this other person around your family. Kim reed thanks again for coming on. Here he is brian stelter, our senior media correspondent, host of reliable sources. This cover of vanity fair had all of us talking instantly. I can only imagine the chatter out in the ether. Why do you think this was the venue or the medium for this coming out . I think its one of the most prestigious magazines on the planet. Think about even the quality of the paper. Its a special magazine. You hold it in your hand. You spend time reading it looking at it. Theres a long article by buzz bissinger, who spent a lot of time with jenner. Annie liebowitz photographs. Most importantly, the photographs by annie liebowitz. Its this package, really part of this process that bruce, now caitlyn, jenner is going through. It began with the abc diane sawyer interview. It continues with this cover. It will continue in july with a series on e and the espn award. On the espn award, what kind of award is this . The arthur ash courage award. Its at the espies. Michael sam received this recognition last year. Nelson mandela, Robin Roberts some of the past winners. Bruce jenner was chosen back in april when we were still calling him bruce jenner. Now as of today, he would prefer to be called Caitlyn Jenner and preferred to be referred to as a woman. Journalists, generally, weve had to learn how to work in situations like this. The best thing to do is go ahead and support this persons choice. So to say she and caitlyn in this case. Because this is so new, we need to refer to formerly bruce jenner. We need to indicate to our audience what were talking about here. For example, we talk about chelsea manning, who is in prison serving time for his involvement with the wikileaks scandal. We sometimes say formerly bradley manning, even though she now chooses to live as chelsea. Thats an example of something that people are learning how to talk about this topic and how to have conversations about it. Many people for the first time now, thanks to Caitlyn Jenner know someone whos transgender. Especially think about the young people. Thats what kim reed was saying. No one on the cover of vanity fair growing up. This is a big deal. And this is not any photo. This goes all the way there, so to speak. Brian stelter, thank you. 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Thank you so much for joining me. Im so sorry for your loss. Thank you so much brooke. Thank you for having me. Let me just tell you, we have spoken to nehemiah and brandons brother today. I understand the familys planning to pick up brandon from jail within a couple of hours. Apparently police havent allowed them to speak to brandon yet. Youve been in touch with the father a close friend of yours. Hows the Family Holding up . Oh theyre in shock. Theyre in a lot of shock and disbelief of what happened because of the nature of nehemiah of who he was, his character. So theyre all in shock. It hadnt quite hit the friends, the family the parish. It just hasnt hit yet. People dont get it. So its a very headscratching moment for everyone. What dont they get . And in answering that tell me more about him. Nehemiah was just a golden young man. I knew him when he was in ninth grade. I got the opportunity to coach him for three or four years in aau basketball. He was just one of my prize kids. He went off to Tulsa University from there and then on to his life. I stayed in touch with him through his father. We became friends. But nehemiah was just the ultimate goodlooking wonderful young man who was god fearing, who if you knew him, you were a better person because thats who he was. He made you a better person. He made those around him better people. He was just that good. And its hard to words cant, you know describe it. Im sure everyone has heard this story before but this is a great kid, period. Yeah no i hear you loud and clear. And i think what makes this its the mystery. Its the what happened right, when police came and a trigger was somehow pulled. Let me just note to everyone that we do know drooptroopers are set to give a briefing in tulsa in about an hour. Obviously weve reached out to police. They said they wont release any information before then. So, you know can you ever imagine a situation in which he would be provoked to use a gun, to shoot . No, maam, i do not. I dont ever see that in him. He treasured life. He treasured people. He treasured everyone around him. He was more of a lets pray and lets settle lets hold hands, lets get to a solution, lets love each other. Again, those are just words. But he was thats who nehemiah was. He was someone you could go to someone you could get relief get prayer get a friendship. Thats who he was. So i dont foresee any circumstances. What about Law Enforcement . Final question just in us talking to the other brother, apparently he said the area is known for, his words, shady police. Can you respond to that . No, maam, i sure cant. That is i have i really have no knowledge of that. I know that i have the full faith of the osbi that theyll do a they always do a very very good investigation of the facts and handling of these situations and things like that. But i cant comment on that. I appreciate you holding back. Mike thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Hopefully they find the truth. Thank you. Yes, maam. Thank you. And thank you so much. And for the family we thank you for all the prayers. Thank you. Absolutely. Absolutely. Coming up next here on cnn, what is the key interview, one of the more memorable, that sticks with my colleague Anderson Cooper . Hes going to join me live. Hell share that memory as we look back at 35 years here of cnn. Happy birthday to cnn today. Showing our pride at cnn marking 35 years on the air. In those 35 years, coverage of the biggest events, like our coverage of hurricane katrina. Setting its sights on the central coast. On the banks of the mississippi liver. Its a very strange feeling, careening a hurricane, particularly one this size. Reporter in a walmart earlier in the day. People come up to you, have you heard an reporter you should go to the gulf coast in mississippi, because we havent been in touch with our relatives in waveland and no one is reporting from there. When i got to waveland unlike anything id seen before. I want to show you a few shots around me just the complete devastation. Reporter i went out with this fema body recovery team. We went to the house of a family last name was bayne. Once you stepped on their porch, you could smell everything was ripped apart. Mud everywhere. They found them. They had drowned in their living room. A husband and wife and two of their kids special needs kids but nothing they could do. Marked an x on the door and put the number four for the number of bodies on the door inside and then they closed the door and they left. Anderson is with me now. The last name the number those are things you just never forget in your career covering a story like that. Absolutely. I read that dedicate add playground in the name of that family. Wow. In waveland and there were so many stories like that during katrina and we just met so many people along the way who just never ill forget and some able to keep in touch with. That was truly one of the most remarkable experiences and its rare that youre on, in a place where often in journalism youre just reporting something thats already happened. Recounting what already happened. Youre in the middle of it . Not only during the storm, for the month after we stayed there on the ground. Storm winds continued to blow long after the storm passed. How long have you been here . I dont know. 12 13 years. 2002 right at the beginning of 2002. At what point being from atlanta, growing up you drink cocacola and watch cnn, how it is. With the headquarter, and ted turner legacy looms large. I knew in my journalism in college, dream job. Hit me later, after sometime working here the power here at cnn, where people turn when major news breaks. When do you remember a moment when you said i think everybody remembers the first gulf war, when cnn really kind of came of age. Yeah. And people started to see the potential for cnn. The fact that cnn was on the air there and showing a war beaking out in realtime and i think the technology that exists now, it allows us to all of us to go to places and be on the breaking wave of history, and to bring viewers along on that journey, and thats just an extraordinary thing, and theres very honestly few places are doing the kind of reporting cnn is doing. Actually sending people you know out to a story. Having bureaus around the world. Thats one of the things im incredibly proud about for cnn. Of all the people youve spoken to in your 12 however many years being here. Wow. What are the more memorable interviews . I like talking to people who regular people who find themselves caught up in certain things beyond their control. Im the same. Not about celebrity es. Not celebrities. People in waveland mississippi, coming home finding homes, whats the next step . Portauprince in haiti after the earthquake. Cnn had a tremendous presence on the ground. The First International news network to get on the ground in portauprince, and to be able to be there and shine the light and bear witness to to what people are going through. I think thats one of the incredible powers of cnn. There are lighter moments here at cnn. There have been yes. And theres some beyond my control. And theres a little blooper reel making the rounds. Im in it. You trumped me. Roll it. Sorry. [ laughter ] makes me giggle every time i read it. The comments since [ laughter ] sorry. [ laughter ] [ laughter ] see this on youtube and you dont [ laughter ] i mean im wearing the same thing, i think, as ive actually wearing. Shows you the limited wardrobe. The giggles, a light moment. A lovely moment. Yes. A moment of levity. People out here are shouting they remember when it happened. Yeah. Did you obviously you knew what was coming. You got the fullon giggles . I got the giggles. You know i have the sense of humor of a 12yearold boy with the giggle of a 12yearold girl. Not a good combination and the first time it ever happened and something about that unleashed something in knee and itsme and its happened three or four times. Really . Yes. I tried to fight it. Really did. Yeah it yeah that happened. People have it on their ring tone. Thats taking it too far. Why are you doing that . Should not be doing that. If i could change my life i would. We dont want you to. Seventh great humor, giggle of a seventh grade girl. NkAnderson Cooper 360. Dont miss it. Im done. The lead with jake tapper starts now. The nsa loses power. As is it claims vital while the tsa flunks a huge test. How safe are we today . Im jake tapper. This is the lead. The debate between privacy and National Security reach aring a critical stage today as congress lets the nsa bulk data program expire. So information about our phone calls is safe from prying eyes, but how safe are we . Also in National News crime wave. 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