Such [ bleep ] weather. We almost got friggin killed landing on the tarmac. Miguel marquez is live at laguardia and miles obrien is with me. He is also a pilot. Has the ntsb arrived net,yet, miguel . Reporter we understand they are on their way. It may have been the runway and the condition out there. Very cold temperatures and heavy snow throughout the day. Pilots are reporting throughout the day, investigator conditions on that runway. The Port Authority saying minutes before pilots were reporting that everything was okay. I can say that from everything we know at this point, that plane, when it hit the runway it lost control almost immediately and it hit that embankment about 4,000 feet down the 7,000foot runway. Its almost perpendicular to the runway with the nose, the cockpit of that airplane up over that embankment and hanging out over flushing bay. The landing gear ripped off the front. The cone of it the front part of it completely ripped off. The left wing was damaged during the landing as well. And leaked fuel. As much as a thousand gallons of fuel leaked onto the runway there. They were able to contain it very quickly and they are starting to clean that up. At this point, that runway 13 the inbound runway is still closed. The outbound runway is now open and very very slowly flights are starting to creep back on to the schedule to get people out of here at laguardia. I can tell you since they have announced the situation here in the american terminal one terminal over is much less chaotic. People seem to be getting through the terminal and starting to get on flights hopefully. Amazingly, despite how hard that plane came down and hit that embankment 24 minor injuries two, perhaps three people transported to the hospital. But everybody aok. Good news for sure. Thank you, miguel marquez. Miles, i want you to listen to some sound we heard from the air Traffic Control tower communicating with other planes that were in the air right as this was unfolding. Listen. Delta 1086. Tower. Call 13. Tower. 13. Tower. Red team to go on to 13. Tower. You copy. Call 100. Runway 13 is closed. Question. Call 100 runway 13 is closed . 13 is closed. Team red . Sorry. We have an aircraft on the runway. Delta 10 1999 go around. 1999 going around. Runway closed. The airport is closed. The airport is closed. Call 100, say again. Tower, we have an aircraft off 31. Please advise crash rescue Laguardia Airport is closed at this time. The pilots in that communication, they had no choice but to turn a different direction to go land at jfk maybe, maybe newark. Ultimately it is in general to land when the runway is open in bad conditions. Youre a pilot. How difficult is it for you to know precisely whether its safe to land . Well, there is a lot of instrumentation at an airport that give you uptodate Realtime Data what is going on the wind conditions the visibility the height of the ceiling, and a key factor is the braking action on the runway. The one thing that is required to get that information is a truck needs to roll down the runway with a sensor behind it to determine the braking action. If the weather is changing quickly, its important to get out there relatively frequently to give a proper update to the pilots so they understand what they are getting into. One thing to consider here this runway 13 was basically what we call a quartering tail wind. Meaning ideally you want to land into the wind. In this case they landed with tail wind that was partially a cross wind. The reason you would select to do that this particular runway has what we call an instrument landing system which allows you to land in worse weather than in the other direction of the airport. While the other runways would have been better for the wind you might not have been able to land because you wouldnt have been able to see the runway soon enough based on the amount of data you get from your navigational gear it. So a lot of factors that go into these decisions on whether to land and its quite possibly this glit as youre landing in a cross wind would have been banking hard to the left to compensate for the cross wind and landed and maybe in a gust maybe that wing was damaged in some way and that could have led to all of the events we have now seen unfold. Obviously air Traffic Control is in communication with pilots. We know pilots are giving the airport and controllers information after they land about what the conditions were like. We know that about two hours prior to this plane landing, one of those pilots said landing conditions were poor. Now, apparently just before this plane landed according to the Port Authority, there was a pilot who said that conditions were good. How quickly do those conditions change . First of all, you got a very dynamic situation. The wind was changing. The temperatures were changing. It was moving from rain to freezing rain ultimately into snow. So you had a very dynamic weather picture. Lets not forget its kind of a subjective thing. One pilot might say that was most problem but he might have learned how to fly in northern krarned. Canada. Who knows. A lot of things go into it and its important the airports get out there and determine what the traction is and clear the runways especially when they are in this dynamic situation. You try to get realtime information to pilots but things are moving fast in aviation. Absolutely. Planes are moving fast thats for sure. When you look at the pictures you see just how close the plane came to landing in the water. Are you surprised it didnt go over the edge . Well, frankly, that berm there, that dike probably saved the day as far as heading over into the drink. I always think about laguardia as kind of a stationary aircraft carrier. Not overrun space. 7,000 feet runways in any direction. It is, you know its varsity landing for airliners. So they need to Pay Attention and get it on the ground. Thats why you frequent get a hard landing when you land at laguardia and same as Reagan International airport and midway. A lot of short runways with no overrun space require and attentive crew and throw in bad weather and low visibility and a slick runway and you got a precipitation for prescription for trouble and that might be the series of events that led to this. All of us who drive a car know how quickly the conditions on the ground can change and you get caught offguard but these planes are coming in how fast . Maybe 160 miles an hour. A lot of speed. What they tell you to do is land and before you hit the brakes make sure youve got directional control make sure youre headed straight down the runway before you apply the brakes because you could get into a fishtail scenario. Land and compensate for the cross winds and you might be a little skew. Then further increase the braking. In this case were the brakeds ais asymmetrical asymmetrical . Or was the slipperiness of the runway not uniform and perhaps it was more slippery one side than the other. When they hit the brakes off the side they went. All of these factors need to be considered. Miles, thank you for your expertise. Stand by. We would like to pick your brain some more. Coming up we are hearing from passengers on that delta plane and play their reaction to this ordeal next. Hundreds of drivers also stranded on kentucky interstates since last night, if you can believe it ill speak with one of them still sitting there right now. Stay with us. 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Some of these drivers stranded in their cars or their big rigs some 200 big rigs we are told are along this road as well. They have been there more than 12 hours and this line stretches well beyond a mile. The National Guard has been dispatched to help rescue some of these stranded drivers. Our Martin Savidge is staying on top of developments from atlanta. Martin how long have these people than stranded . Some says 6 00 6 30 last night. Most people say it seemed to bog down around 11 00 last night. We have good news for us at least a positive glimmer and that is that the National Guard of kentucky is reporting that they had been rescuing people and taking them to warming shelters. Now that process is starting to go to the reverse. In other words taking people from shelters back to their vehicles. That suggests that they have made progress on opening the roadways and you need to get the drivers back in the vehicles to get them on the move. So it sounds good. But as you point out, the Traffic Cameras show there are still hundreds if not thousands of people that have been stuck. Many of them since late last night and upwards of two feet of snow fell in central kentucky and the main highways we are talking about are i25 western part of the state and i65 in the central part of the state. The problem has been that most folks didnt have a lot of food and water. They were rung low on fuel and trying to stay warm last night. They got stuck because of the heavy snow. Its steep inclines on some of these highways. The big rigs they slowed and then eventually stopped and that backed everybody up. We are not talking a mile or two. In some cases, 30 40 even possibly 50 miles of a traffic jam oh, wow that has been the problem. Once everybody stopped, the snow continued to fall at an incredible rate and really starting burying vehicles where they stopped. You not only have to get them moving in many cases, you have to get them unstuck. You couldnt get the plows through because the vehicles were all stuck in the road so its the chicken and the egg. Get the tow trucks in and clear the traffic and get the plows moving and get everyone safely going again. Knock on wood that there hasnt been a major emergency where Emergency Responders have to get anywhere quickly according to the Kentucky Governor we just talked to no major injuries or no major fatalities. I want to talk to a driver on the phone in a few minutes so do stand by for that. Lets turn to more breaking news. We got sound in first sound from those passengers who just got off that plane that skidded off the runway at Laguardia Airport. Listen to how they describe what happened. Probably two more inches it would have went into because the only thing that stopped us was that gate. I was in a window seat and saw the plane hitting the gate and approaching the water very quickly. You said the plane hit the gate . What do you think when you see this . Get ready to swim. You thought you were going to have sotoswim . Get ready to swim. Its a survival mode. It was crazy. Crazy. Thank god im here. This is my first time in new york. Im thankful im here because once we got off the plane, i could tell it was a little more serious than i thought it was. Because, you know, getting off the plane and im jumping out the window and sliding down the wing and they say hurry up. I see gas coming out on the left wing. I dont think he expected to hit the ice i dont think so. Reporter what was it like . A little bit anxious. Qi i didnt feel out of control. I thought the pilot was in control. So i think the pilot did a good job, a really good job. Reporter eyereaction of the passengers . Passengers were calm and going woe. We knew we were on the ground and immediate sense of calmness. Then they said you can leave via the ramp and we slid our touchys down on the wing of the plane and were caught by a fireman wow. They really had positive attitudes when you think about it. Lets bring in our miles obrien who is with us a pilot himself. This has to be a total nightmare situation. If you are a pilot and you have some 127 passengers lives in your hands. Yeah. Thats part of the job, and you dont want to be in that situation, but it sounds like they responded well once it happened. One thing i do want to point out, you know, and this will come out in the investigation is this there are situations where planes get into trouble like this where there is no immediate concern of a fire. And, yet, the decision is made to send passengers out the exit doors and down the slide. In this case the slides didnt work but out the exit doors and that is where the injuries occur. Sometimes the better decision would be in fact to have the passengers sit tight and wait for some steps to come out so they can walk down in a more orderly way. I dont know International Case there was concern because of the fuel spill there might be a fire but the fact is the injuries occur in these cases mostly because people are shimmying down a wing and they break an ankle. So i thought the passengers saying just get ready to swim is a great testament to how people in these situations need to think about what they should be. People say where should you sit on a plane . I always say to them dont think about where youre putting your back side. Just keep your head in the game and know where the exit rows on. Not the primary one. In this case if you look to the front that wasnt going to get you out because of those fences. How do you get to the back one and how many rows behind you is it . What are you supposed to do . Pay attention when you land and cinch your up seat belt and be ready and think about what is going on around you. A lot of people zone out and fly without thinking and that is when you can get in trouble in these situations. A few back and neck injuries we were told. Nothing major. We are told there are minor injuries. Is that like whiplash would you think . Im going to guess most of it had to do with the evacuation. They did its quite possible they landed very hard and that could have been part of it as well. Of course, you know its not a sixpoint restraint and not even a threepoint restraint. You just got your waist belt. You can, in a sudden stop get in a situation where you cause back or neck injury but i dont know at this point where that was the cause. Miles obrien, thank you for being here. Youre welcome, anna. Our nations capital. A winter storm warning is still in effect through tonight and i want to bring in joe johns in washington, d. C. Joe, tell us about the situation there. Reporter hey anna that is the United States capitol behind me the dome. You can hardly see it. Its hard to get to it as well. The roads are a mess here in washington, d. C. Buses between new york and washington have pretty much been shut down. There are long, huge lines at Union Station here. The amtrak station for people trying to get to new york. All in all, the u. S. Government is shut down. The schools are shut down. The good news is there isnt going to be much of a rush hour the bad new its going to be quite a cleanup. It looks like people are choosing to get around on foot instead of via car. Reporter thats a fact. You just saw those people right there. Yeah. Reporter one interesting fact i think i have to talk to you about is the sledding situation over here at the capitol. Sledding is banned at the capitol for safety and security reasons. The u. S. Delegate to the United StatesCongress Eleanor Holmes Norton actually asked for that to be lifted in order for kids to sled. Nothing happened on that. It went viral on twitter and facebook. Then what we got essentially was civildisobedience. Parents and kids showing up with their sleds. I talked to some of the kids and they thought the ban was ridiculous. Listen. Thats insane. Yeah, thats not fair. Its crazy. This is the best hill. What did you say . This is melanie a really good hill because theres a lot of packed snow in it and at the other one, its just really muddy and it gets muddy really fast the other hill. This hill is good. What do you have to do with this hill . Why cant we sled on it . Yeah . They are doing nothing with the Hill Reporter what are the police going to do about that quite frankly . I talked to one person who wasnt supposed to speak for the u. S. Capitol police but he said they are not enforcing that ban right now. How could you . Anna . We are all glad that emergency resources arent going towards enforcing the sledding ban, for sure. Joe johns, thank you so much. Ahead, we told you about the drivers in kentucky who have been stranded for hours. Im going to talk with a woman who has been stuck since 2 30 a. M. That is next. 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Jodi arias dodged that punishment when a second jury failed to decide whether she should be put to death. The split was 111 and one juror holding out out and refusing to sentence her to die. Arias was found guilty of killing her boyfriend Travis Alexander in 2008. Her sentencing trial ended in a hung jury and after this mistrial was declared, alexandras family wept as the judge and the lawyers picked a day for sentencing. At this time the court is declaring in this trial. Are we ready to proceed to sentencing . Your honor, miss arias is requesting approximately 30 days. My understanding, from our previous conversations is april 10th was available. To the court, i dont think we had a time april 10 will not work for the state. The next of kin have requested that the sentencing be set either on a monday or a tuesday. All right. We certainly will accommodate that request. So you could hear the sobbing and the crying in the background. Next month, judge Sherry Stevens will sentence arias to life in prison either with or without parole parole. Former prosecutor nancy grace is joining me now. Nancy, i want to get your reaction to this mistrial announcement. Well, you know, i could say we saw it coming because as of last thursday it appeared as if the jury was deadlocked. But then it seemed as if there was renewed hope that this jury would reach a unanimous decision. Well those hopes were dashed today when the jury came out to say they were hopelessly deadlocked and as it turns out, the vote was 111. We have spoken to the jurors and the one juror that held out for life behind bars the other 11 wanted the Death Penalty, had actually seen the lifetime movie about jodi arias, and said she was no longer willing to deliberate with the other jurors. Frankly, once you stop deliberating i dont mean change your mind but once you refuse to deliberate further, thats when youre thrown off the jury and an alternate is brought in. You know what i noticed about the clip you just played . It was so odd the Travis Alexandra family is two seats back. Ive been in that courtroom for months. Bent over physically bent over in pain. And arias and her lawyers are just acting like they cant hear the people behind them screaming and crying. I imagine inside she was celebrating because basically they spared her life. She wont get the Death Penalty because not just one, but two hung juries. I mean does that say anything . What was it about this case . It wasnt just this one jury that had to decide her fate this was the second jury. Youre right. The first jury was also hung, a mistrial so to speak. This jury was hung by one juror. There have been two juries hearing the Death Penalty phase. One juror, one female juror held a unanimous verdict in this case. You know what i think it was . Especially in this case. These jurors indicated that coming into it this juror had already made up her mind and i think that frankly, in the voir dire process, jury selection, i dont think she was honest with the court or herself. I dont think that that juror believes in the Death Penalty under any circumstance. One of alexanders sisters released a statement saying quote, the real justice will be in the after life when jodi burns in hell. What is your reaction to that . What do you say to this family . You know what . I tell them the truth. That i have been there and been through a murder trial where someone i loved very very deeply was murdered. Time goes on and the pain never goes away but you learn how to deal with it daybyday. And as years passed travis will be alive in their mind and jodi will be a distant memory to them. You know the way that nature intends the way that god intends it they will heal but, for right now this jury is basically prolonged their suffering by not coming up with a verdict way or the life or death. Its up to the judge to decide whether she will spend the rest of her life in prison or up for potential 25 years from now. She will still be a young woman. You can watch nancy week nights on hln at 8 00 p. M. Eastern. Thank you. Right now our breaking news. Landing in Laguardia Airport went off course today for delta flight 1086. This plane skidded off the runway bursting through a fence before stopping as you can see, just feet from those icy waters. Twentyfour people were hurt but no injuries were lifethreatening and describe the injuries as mostly minor. A total of 312 passengers and crew members on board at the time. Some of the passengers said they knew immediately when that plane touched down something seriously was wrong saying the jets wheels had little or no traction. In the meantime, in kentucky different story. Travelers stuck in a slow motion disaster. This snowstorm has turned highways including interstate 65 into parking lotting. Our next guest has been stuck more than 12 hours and even had to walk two miles for food and water. Joining us now, the reverend Jeanette Wilson a Senior Adviser to the reverent jesse jackson. I know youve been trapped with his family. His wife is with you as well on the highway. First, how are you holding up . Well, we are doing fine. We are prayerful and we know that god is with us in spite of the weather, in spite of the inability of the state official to move the snow and to move the road blocks. We believe that things will get better. We have been on this parking lot on i65 south since 2 00 a. M. This morning and we have just started moving for the first time. We have not seen any emergency vehicles deployed by the state. We saw one National Guardsman but not even close to any of the cars or vehicles near us. We have not seen anyone making an assessment of the conditions of the passengers that have been just sitting at a standstill for the last some 12 hours, some 14 hours, some as long as 20 hours. You must be starving. You must be exhausted. Well, we are a little tired but mentally i feel those who may have small children many of them have walked to try to get food and water. Many people are now running out of gas. With we noticed some cars have been abandoned because they have run out of gas. What have you been doing to try to cope with all of this . Well, you know, we just literally, we have been prayerful and keep each other up. At least there is a group of us. We have one young lady we pushed one young lady out who was near us on our way a gas station to pick up some supplies. I feel, you know we are concerned about the people who are traveling alone on this highway and dont have any support and that is a concern. And we have not heard from any governmental officials since we have been stranded indicating when we would be moved, what was causing the delay. So apparently this road was shut down early last evening without communicating to motorists to say, dont go any further on i65 south. We are going to close it because of inclement weather. That was not shared with any motorists. We have huneddreds of trucks and cars just lining i65 south near elizabethtown, kentucky. We understand that that line goes back possibly up to 50 miles. So that explains why it is slow going. I want to tell you, though, reverend wilson that we have gotten word that traffic is starting to move there. Im glad to hear youre starting to move slowly but surely. Hopefully, the end is in sight. We also spoke with the governor of kentucky who told us that they have sent the National Guard your way and they are making their way there to help rescue some of the folks who are still stranded who may have now run out of gas. Good luck to you, reverend janet wilson. Thank you for joining us. Well, its you can talk to the governor. He needs to send aemergency preparedness individuals to motorists to check their status and help them if they have run out of gas and be transported where they can get gas or bring them some gas. Cars are now all right. Reverend Jeanette Wilson i think we lost you there. We will pass along the message. Up next a survivor of the Boston Marathon bombing took the stand. Looked right at the accused bomber and told her story. Then she wrote a heart wrenching lettering saying im not afraid any more. Her emotional words next. The chants filled ferguson missouri then the nation. Hands up dont shoot. The Justice Department just revealed it could not determine whether Michael Browns hands actually were up when he was shot and killed by a Police Officer. So what do the founders of the hands up united say about that . Ill talk to one of them coming up. Shopping online is as easy as it gets. 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He was appointed by john paul, ii. Egan was 82 years old. In boston the Boston Marathon trial has been rife. A Boston Police officer described trying to save one of the deceived. Boston University Grad student lu. The officer described how he stuck his fingers down her airway but her eyes kept rolling that and out. The Police Officer talked about lu losing her leg. She testified she saw a foot with a little sock it and realized it belonged to somebody else. Prosecutors have publicly released gruesome new video of the bombing scene that they shared with the jurors showing the chaos unfolding amid a sea of carnage and wounded victims. We warn you these images are disturbingly graphic. My god. Somebody is mangled. Get out get out her log is gone. Youre all right. Youre doing great. I got you. My leg the back of my leg hurts so bad thats it. The back of my leg youll be okay. Youre going to be okay. Her leg, his leg. Ignore what has happened okay . Im okay. Okay . Who has got it . Bring it up. We dont know. This leg here . Look there. Her leg is very bad. Were okay with that. Hers is very the other piece. Leg burned . Okay. Explosion. Sorry bjts,about that okay . That was really bad. She is bleeding really bad. Is she bleeding from anywhere . Blood underneath. Leave her there. Tie it off. Yes . Stay with gina. Okay. I have peters phone in his wallet. Can i have it . Youre be all right, okay . No. I can move. Im with her. Here you go. Here you go. Get behind her. Noah noah i got it. All right . Hear me . Youre okay. One victim who took the stand yesterday was compelled to go home and to write a very courageous cathartic letter to the suspect. Rebekah gregory lost her leg in the bombing and on the stand yesterday she described how she looked down and couldnt see her limbs because her bones were lying next to her on the sidewalk. She had cried out for her young son who had been standing next to her right before the explosion. He also survived. And listen to what she writes. I want to read it for you. It says dear dzhokhar tsarnaev. My name is rebekah gregory. We dont know each other and never will but the last two years i have seen your pictures and almost every one of my nightmares. Your stupid backpack brushed up moments before the blast up against my arm. I doubt you remember because i am no one to you and a stranger to you and a blip our radar and someone that happened to be standing three feet from your designated good spot for a bomb . You have been so much more to me because i have undoubtedly been my source of fear. You have been my source of fear since april 15th, 2013. You are one of the person almost taking my child and embedded in my brain of watching someone die. Up until now i have been truly scared of you and because of this fearful of Everything Else people might be capable of. But, today, all that changed. Because this afternoon, i got to walk into a courtroom and take my place at the witness stand just a few feet away from where you were sitting. I was walking. Did you get that . Today, i explained all of the horrific details of how you changed my liven. To the people that literally hold yours in their hands. Thats little scary, right . And this afternoon, before going in not going to lie. My palms were sweaty and sitting up there, talking to the prosecution did make me cry. But, today, do you know what else happened . Today, i looked at you right in the face and i realized i wasnt afraid any more. And, today, i realize that sitting across from you was somehow the crazy kind of step forward i needed all along and i think that is the ironic thing that happens when someone intends something for evil because, somehow, some way, it always end up good but you are a coward. A little boy who wouldnt look knee in the eyes to see that because you cant handle the fact what you tried to destroy, you only made stronger. And if your eyes would have met mine for just one second and you would have also seen that what you blew up really did blow up because now you have given me and the other survivors a tremendous platform to help others and essentially do our parts in changing the world for the better. So yes you did take a part of me. Congratulations. You now have a leg up literally. But in so many ways you saved my life and now i am so much more appreciative of every new day im given and now i get to hug my son even tighter than before and he is thriving despite everything that has happened. So now while you are sitting in solitary confinement awaiting the verdict our life i will actually be enjoying everything this beautiful world has to offer. Guess what else . I will do so without fear of you. 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In fact the report actually backed wilsons story. I want to quote from page 12 of this report. Its an 87page report. It says quote, as discussed throughout this report wilsons accounts is corroborated by physical evidence and his perception of a threat posed by brown is corroborated by other credible eyewitness accounts end quote. Now, listen to how attorney general eric holder spoke of browns killing as he talked about a separate report how Ferguson Police and its courts discriminate against africanamericans. Clearly these findings and others included in the report demonstrate that although some Community Perception of Michael Browns tragic death may not have been accurate the widespread conditions that these perceptions were based upon and the climate that gave rise to them were all too real. Some of those protesters were right. Im going to turn to Torry Russell from hands up united. Whether Michael Browns hands were up when he was shot has been a point of contention for quite some time. It has been sort of the rallying cry of this movement of protesters in ferguson and all around the country. Now the Justice Department is saying officially its not clear if browns hands were up. Does that make you rethink your groups perspective, perhaps even the groups name . Of course not. His hands were up. If you ask what the community would say the credible witnesses, there is some static in my ear, his hands were up even from the initial day of the rest of creative hands up his hands were up the witnesses say that and theres enough evidence at least for probable cause to go to a grand jury and beyond that to a real trial. You say you still believe his hands were up but when you look at the documents, if you read the report it goes through many witness accounts. A lot of those witnesses, some of them recounted their stories, saying they actually werent at the scene of the crime. They werent a witness at all. Other witnesses, they told different stories to different people. They told the media one thing but they told Justice Department investigators another thing about the circumstances surrounding the event. Ultimately all the witnesses combined even the credible witnesses, could not prove that the hands were up. Some of the witness accounts went against the physical evidence the ballistics reports and the autopsy reports. So how can you believe maybe one report the report that is scathing against the Ferguson Police department but not believe the report that cleared Darren Wilson . I think i even think the report is first of all, its 200 days too late. All the report came from people on the ground. All the kianas and the people he spoke about during days and weeks in jail thats who hes talking about. The report is actually finding there was no civil rights charges for Darren Wilson but you know some a little bit of ambiguous accountability for ferguson. Ferguson is just a microcosm of whats going on in American Society which is police is racially biased stopping people and it always leads to black and brown people being killed in this country. I think you bring up you bring up a good point. Because ferguson was a flashpoint in a much bigger issue, like you said. I think a lot of people in the community are now relieved they feel maybe vindicated by the findings of this second report which also found that police were targeting blacks generating unfair arrests and tickets all to raise revenue for the city. But do you think the truth would have come out if Michael Brown hadnt been shot to death . I dont think so. I think this country has a race problem. The reports show that again, poor black and brown people in this country are not given Accountability Measures against the system or the police. What does accountability mean to you . It means that we are not a case study in ferguson. That you dont sweep this under the rug. Chief jackson, they need to be fired. If they are using their Police Officers as a Collection Agency then they are violating the constitution said by attorney general holder, then either thats a racket and they need to be hit with the rico act or the department along with elected officials need to be fired immediately. Torry russell, thank you for coming on. We appreciate it. This sunday dont miss a new episode of the cnn series finding jesus. An unprecedented cnn event. He didnt vanish without leaving a trace. For the first time in history we are able to place these relics. And grasp something that changed the world. This is the moment of truth. This is the story of jesus. The rock upon which the church is built. An icon of scientific obsession. What do we really have here . Why did judas betray jesus . Somebody chose to write this. The science does matter. Is this the real shroud of jesus . What are the clues he left behind . Faith, fact, forgery. Finding jesus sunday nights at 9 00 on cnn. Thanks for joining me. Thats going to do it. The lead with jake tapper starts right now. A delta flight almost ends up in new yorks east river thanks to the winter that just wont stop. Im jake tapper. This is the lead. The national lead. Flight after flight canceled because of this wild winter weather. Now we have firsthand evidence of just why its so dangerous to fly in these conditions as a plane skids off the runway of a snowy new york tarmac. We will talk to two passengers who were on board. Also in national today, parents normally worry about their teens getting home from the prom in one piece, but now in a new bulletin the fbi and department of Homeland Security are telling every single Police Officer from coast to coast they need to look out for high school and college kids trying to join isis. And the politics lead. First came