4 of the worlds population and a quarter of all known covid19 cases. Things are out of control. But the president made Crystal Clear in a new interview with Jonathan Swann of axios that he says he has it all handled, brushing off the rising death toll, dismissing the reality of the continuous problem with testing in this country, and pushing off blame for why things are so bad, even though he refuses to acknowledge its so bad. So remarkable in what he said, you should hear it for yourself in full. Here it is. Over the years, ive heard you talk about your adherence to a philosophy called positive thinking. This is the mantra, that if you believe something, if you visualize it, then it will happen. To an extent. I also think in terms of the downside. Right. I do. Ive been given a lot of credit for positive thinking, but i also think about downside, because only a fool doesnt. To what extent do you think that that positive thinking mindset is suitable to handling the worst pandemic that weve seen in a century . I think you have to have a positive outlook, oeftherwise y would have nothing without a positive outlook. I think weve done an incredible job from the ventilators, from stopping very infected people from china coming in, meaning putting the ban on china, which frankly nobody wanted me to do. Then putting the ban on europe, not an easy thing to do, when you put a ban on europe. Thats a big thing. We would probably have lost hundreds of thousands of lives more had i not done that. And all of the experts, every one of them, not one of them wanted to do it. They thought it was too severe. Three months later, theyre all saying, im glad you did it. The criticism of you that is most prominent is about the communication. Is the Public Health experts saying, it needs to be based in reality. And theyre saying that the Wishful Thinking and the salesmanship is just not suitable in a time when a pandemic has killed 145,000 americans. And its i understand what youre saying, that people need to hear positive thinking. But for the past five months, its been, the virus is totally under control, and the cases have been going up and the deaths have been going up. Look, look youve been saying its under control. Nobody knew what this thing was all about. This has never happened before. 1917, but it was a totally different it was a flu in that case, okay . But other than 1917, theres never been anything like this. And by the way, if you watch the fake news on television, they dont even talk about it. But you know, there are 188 other countries right now that are suffering, some proportionately far greater than we are. All right, very bad very few. Some proportionately greater than we are. Right now spain is having a big spike and there are tremendous problems in the world. You look at moscow, look at whats going on with moscow. Look at brazil. Look at these countries, whats going on. This was sent to us by china, one way or the other, and were never going to forget it. Believe me, were never going to forget it. And we were beating china at every single point. We were beating them on trade. We were making progress like nobodys ever made progress. They had before the pandemic, they had the worst year, jonathan, that theyve had in 67 years. With the tariffs and Everything Else i did. We were taking in billions of dollars. I was giving some of it to the farmers. The farmers were doing well because i was targeting they were targeting the farmers. I was targeting china. We were doing good. Then all of a sudden, the game changed and i had to close it down. I closed down the greatest economy ever in history. I well, wait. And then, i closed it down. And now were open again. And we saved by the way, by closing it down, we saved millions of lives. If we had have gone the herd, and we knew very little about the disease, if we would have gone herd, we would have lost millions of people. Millions of people. One person is too much. Were at 140,000 people. One person is too much. Were at 140. We would have lost millions of people. And those people that really understand it, that really understand it, they said, its incredible, the job that weve done. And again who says that . The ban the ban banning china from coming in but it was already in here by the time whats that . It was already here. By the time you banned china, it came in through europe. Nobody knew the extent. Nobody knew how contagious it was. But the question is, mr. President , by june, we knew, things were bad. And the last time i was with you was the day before your tulsa rally in the oval. And, you know, you were saying, big huge crowd, it was indoors by the way these people, they listen to you excuse me, jonathan. We had a 19,000 seat stadium. First of all, we had 12,000 people, not 6,000, which you reported and other people reported, but you couldnt even get in. It was like an armed camp. Why would you have wanted that . We had 120 black lives matter why would you have wanted that . Excuse me, wait and tulsa because that area was a very good area at the time. Case were it was an area that was pretty much over a month later, it started going up. But tulsa was a very good. Oklahoma was doing very well as a state. It was almost free. It spiked a month later, a month and a half, two months later, but it was a good area. We had a tremendous crowd. We had tremendous response. You couldnt even it was like an armed camp. You couldnt even get through. You couldnt get anybody in. We had 12,000 people. It was incorrectly reported. The other thing that we had, that nobody wants to talk about, so fox broadcast it. It was the highest rating in the history of Fox Television saturday night. It was the highest rating mr. President wait a minute, youre saying something. Yeah. That speech was the highestrated speech in the history of Fox Television on saturday night, and nobody says that i think you misunderstand me. Im not criticizing your ability to draw a crowd. Are you kidding me . Ive covered you for five years, you draw massive crowds and get huge ratings. And i canceled another one and i had a great crowd in New Hampshire and canceled it for the same reason. But heres the question, ive covered you for a long time. Ive gone to your rallies and talked to your people. They love you, they listen to you, they hang on your every word. They dont listen to me or the media or fauci, they think were fake news. They want to get their advice from you. And so when they hear you say everythings under control, dont worry about Wearing Masks, these are people many of them are older people, mr. President. Under control its giving them a false sense of security. Right now, i think its under control. How . A thousand americans are dying a day. They are dying, its true. It is what it is. But that doesnt mean were doing everything we can. Its under control as much as you can control. This is a horrible plague that beset us. You really think this is as much as we can control it . A thousand deaths a day . I would like to know if somebody first of all, we have done a great job. Weve gotten the governors everything they needed. They didnt do their job many of them didnt, some of them did. Well sit down and talk about the good ones and the bad. Look at that smile. We had the good, the bad, and a lot in the middle. We had some incredible governors. I can tell you right now who the great ones are and the notsogreat ones are. But the governors do it. We gave them massive amounts of material mr. President , you changed your message this week in terms of, you canceled the jacksonville convention, you said, wear a mask, you said, its going to get worse before it gets better. Thats not something you like to say, you said that. By the way, not get worse, like the original flow, you understand that. But i hope not. A thousand now you look arizona is going down. Texas is going down and florida is going down. The question is, are you going to even some of your own aides wonder if you would stick to that message until election day. Whether in a week or two, you wont say, weve got to reopen again, you cant do this stuff anymore, that youll get border of talking about the virus and go back to that sort of cheerleading i never get border talking about this. Its too big a thing. So will you stick to that message . It should have been stopped by china and it wasnt. But now its here, youre the president. Its here. And im very consistent. This is a very serious thing. Do you think i we have 140,000 people at this moment. More than that. This is a very, very serious situation. And what you have to do is handle it the best it can be handled. And again, im working with the governors. I got them tremendous amounts of equipment that they would have never gotten. Jonathan, they wouldnt have equipment now if i didnt get it. When can you commit . By what date, that every american will have access to the sameday testing that you get here in the white house . Well, we have great testing. What were doing by what date . Let me explain, the testing. We have tested more people than any other country, than all of europe put together times two. We have tested more people than anybody ever thought of. India has 1. 4 billion people. Theyve done 11 million tests. Weve done 55, it will be close to 60 million tests and, you know, there are those that say, you can test too much. You do know that. Who says that . Oh, just read the manuals. Read the books. Manuals . What manuals . Read the books. What books . What testing does no, im sorry wait a minute, let me explain. What testing does, it shows cases. It shows where there may be cases. Other countries test you know when they test . They test when somebodys sick. Thats when they test. Im not saying theyre right or wrong. Nobodys done it like weve done it. Weve gotten absolutely no credit for it, but weve come up with so many different tests. The only thing that we have now is some people have to wait longer than we would like them to. Its a big problem. We want pointtopoint. We have a fiveminute to 15minute test. When do you think . Every american. From what i understand, were close to 50 where its pointtopoint test. We are making thousands of instruments, thousands of tests right now, tens of thousands, that can be distributed to various parts of the country. But you have to understand, and weve even sent some of them to other countries where they have a big problem. Jonathan, almost 50 infected i think the number might be over, is immediate testing. The other is tough. You take a test, you have to send to it a laboratory. Lets say that takes a day, lets say its a day thats typical. Its three to four to five days, theres nothing you can do about. When do you think well have that . Relatively soon. What does that mean . You already have half. I would much rather get back to you, because i dont want you to write in one month, i missed it by a day, and its a headline. I want to talk about the federal intervention excuse me, one thing i would say about testing, because we test so much, we show cases. So we show many, many cases. We show tremendous number of i know youre smiling when i say that. I mean, ive heard you say this other countries dont test like we do, so they dont show cases. I wasnt going to continue on the testing, but you said it. So were testing so much because its spread so far in america. Were testing so much because we had the ability to test but south korea jonathan, we didnt even have a test. When i took over, we didnt even have a test why would you have a test . The virus didnt exist. How would you have a test . There was no test for this. We didnt have a test because there was no of course. In a very short order, we got one test, another test. It was broken, the first one. Many of those tests are now obsolete. Its called science and all of a sudden somethings better. But because we tested so many people, 55, 60 Million People very soon, we get cases. You test, some kid has even just a little runny nose, its a case. And then you report many cases. So we look like we have more cases than massive countries, like china, which, by the way, doesnt report, as you know. Well, i dont put any stock in chinas figures. Because we are so much better at testing than any other country in the world, we show more cases. The figure i look at is death. And death is going up now. Its a thousand a day. If you look at death its going up again. Daily death. Take a look at some of these charts. I would love to. Were going to look. Lets look. And if you look at death starting to go up again. Heres one. Well, right here, United States is lowest in numerous categories, were lower than the world. Lower than the world . Lower than europe. In what . In what . Take a look. Right here. Oh, youre doing death as a proportion of cases. Im talking about death as a proportion of population. You cant do that. Why cant i do that . You have to go by where look. Here is the United States. You have to go by the cases. Why not as a proportion of population . When we have somebody what it says is when you have somebody that has where theres a case oh, okay. The people that live from those cases. Its surely a relevant statistic to say if the u. S. Has x population and x percentage of death of that population versus south korea you have to go by the cases. South korea, 50 million population, 300 deaths. Its like, its crazy compared to you dont know that. I do, its on you dont know that. You think theyre faking their statistics, south korea, an advanced country . I wont say that, because we have a very Good Relationship with the country. But they have spikes. Germany, 9,000. Heres one right here. The United States. Look, were last, meaning were first. I dont know what were first in. What . Take a look, again. Its cases. Okay and we have cases because of the testing. A thousand americans are dying a day, but i understand on cases, its different. But youre not reporting it correctly, jonathan. I think i am. If you take a look at this other chart. This is our testing, i believe, the testing yeah, we do more tests. Dont we get credit for that . And because we do more tests, we have more cases. In other words, we test more now, take a look. The top one, thats a good thing, not a bad thing. Jonathan but if hospital rates were going down and deaths were going down, i would say, terrific you deserve to be praised for testing, but theyre all going up hospitalizations 60,000 americans are in hospitals, a thousand dying a day. The papers usually talking about new cases, new cases, new cases. Im talking about death. Its going up. Death is way down from where it was. Its a thousand a day. It was 250,000, down, and now up again. But now its going down again. Its going up. Down in arizona. Nationally, its going up. Going down in florida, going down in texas. Its going down in florida . Yeah, it leveled out and its going down. Thats my report as of yesterday. Anyway, mr. President , if i could change subjects. It is going down in arizona. Arizona, it is. Arizona, it is. Texas has big problems. It spiked and its now going down in florida. Its even and going down in florida. Ill have to see those. But this is the number of tests i dont deny your figures. Youve done more tests my far than the rest of the world. And because weve done more tests, we have more cases. You see . I mean, this is now the third time that ive actually seen this. It really is worth seeing that. Hearing the president in his own words in full, not cut down or distilled or paraphrased. The way an interview with the president of the United States played out in full. Were going to take a break and were going to drill down on what the facts really are and the harm that the fiction is doing when it comes to the crisis that the country is facing right now and what is driving the president to deny that reality. So we all just watched that extraordinary interview that the president gave to Jonathan Swann of axios, an interview conducted last week. So now, let me bring in dr. Simi yasmin, a former cdc disease detective and cnns political director, david chalian. I dont know how many times you guys have had a chance to see it, but that was my third and i still i think its worth doing it even yet again. Dr. Yasmin, well drill down on specific points, but i want to can i get your overall reaction to what you heard from the president there, now six months into the pandemic . So, kate, this was actually my fourth time watching this video, and each time it still feels like a skit or satire. Maybe not so surprising coming from a president who over the last few years has made more than 20,000 false claims. But each time ive watched this, ive been taking notes and writing down things that are false. And there were just so many there, that we can dissect and debunk. What really pains me, though, is we keep having to have this conversation. And were having this conversation as tens of thousands of americans are lying in hospital beds, many more are suffering sick, at home, and there are others who are mourning their loved ones, who have died from covid19, loved ones that they werent even able to bury and mourn properly. And yet we still hear the president making these false claims about the pandemic being under control. No, its not. That were doing tons of testing. Actually, proportionately, were still not doing enough testing. There were false claims about the number of cases going down. Thats not happening everywhere across the u. S. False claims about kids who have runny noses being able to get a test and being counted as covid cases. I have list and lists of all the things that were false. And im frustrated that were in august now. The pandemic is still not under control. Americans are hurting. And we actually get very little remorse, very little sorrow, or acknowledgement that this is a Public Health tragedy on an historical kind of level, and that when we keep bouncing around these numbers, 60,000 hospitalized, 155,000 dead, those arent numbers. Those are people. Those are people with best friends and hobbies and pets and families who loved them. And were in this situation, because, unfortunately, we have a president who did not know how to design, implement, and lead an effective strategy to get this virus under control. Does not know and very clearly does not want to. David, you come at it from a very different perspective, from a political perspective versus a medical perspective, what did you see here . I saw a president struggling to be in command of facts, which he clearly isnt. I saw a president struggling to be in command of the response effort, which he doesnt even seem completely aware of what is required. I guess that would make sense for somebody who doesnt accept the facts of where we are in this battle against the virus, that the response would then be inadequate, if you dont believe in the facts. But thats what i saw. I saw donald trump struggling, struggling to, in any way, present to the American People an example of leadership in charge of something where he understands the facts and can actually lay out the government response. And dr. Yasmin, you mentioned his comment that we have it under control right now, that everythings under control. Obviously, we have heard no doctor or scientist say that the virus is under control in any, way, shape or form in the United States. Quite the opposite. As a former cdc detective, what impact, in the midst of a pandemic, does it have when the president says that its under control, as much control as its under control as much as it can be . I think on two levels, kate, its really misleading. On the one hand, its really hurtful to americans who are suffering from this virus, who have lost loved ones, who have lost their jobs, because the pandemic has raged for so long. Its very offensive that the president can say its under control, when very clearly, our lives are upturned because of it. And then, its just really confusing, and that misinformation and disinformation costs lives. Last week, we were talking about the hydroxychloroquine misinformation, again, circulating. This time, were having to kind of debunk these claims that hes making that were seeing more cases, because were doing more testing. Actually, no. America is still not even doing 800,000 tests a day, when the bare minimum that we should be doing is close to 2 million. Really, we should be doing about 4 million tests a day. So in the context of all of this, then were hearing the president say nonsensical things like were lower than the world. What does that mean . Were last meaning were first. How are we supposed to make sense of this nonsense, when were in the middle of this Public Health tragedy, a Public Health tragedy of our generation, really. We havent seen anything this bad in a hundred years and were living under an administration that does not know how to handle this. And the one thing they did do strategically was early in the pandemic, kind of shove the blame and the responsibility to states using the strategy of state authority handoff, so that now the president can say, well, he blames governors for not getting it under control. And another false thing he said was that governors were given what they needed to respond to the pandemic. Thats not what all governors are saying. Its falsehood after falsehood. And david, you know, he moved very quickly to declare that hes done a great job. What do you think is the political driving force that has him so consistently dodging the reality of this situation . Because anyone logically can think that you cant just deny this and its going to go away. And im trying to figure out what it is that he thinks he can consistently dodge reality and try to convince people that hes done everything he can. Is that working . Are you seeing that in any numbers . Well, no, i dont see that working right now. I think what you saw on display is why the country disapproves of his handling of this virus, overwhelmingly so. Why the country doesnt trust what he has to say on it, in terms of his numbers on this issue. But kate, i think its how Jonathan Swann sort of presented some of the questions in the beginning. This is sort of Donald Trumps this is the way his modus operandi, right . This is how he operates. This is how he operated in reality television, this is how he operated in real estate, in new york. He has operated in creating his own reality, creating his own version of events and saying it over and over and over again in hopes that enough people or the person on the other side of the negotiating table or in the context of politics, enough voters, believe it to be true. That doesnt make it true, but that is the approach you see here, and why i think you see a complete refusal to accept some of the factbased reality of where we are. And just getting to a place of saying that we should, i dont know, accept the status quo, where things are right now, its just impossible when you look at what the rest of the world has done. David, thank you. Dr. Yasmin, thank you very much. Thank you. Coming up for us, President Trump says nevada is trying to steal the election after doing what seven other states are doing with mailin voting, something that has been around and done for decades and decades. Well be right back. The course structure the university of phoenix offers it just suits my life perfectly because i am a mom, im a wife. And i was able to complete those Short Courses five to six weeks and then move onto the next until i reached my goal. Nevada just became the eighth state to move toward mailin voting for the nevaovem election. Nevada growing a number of states that will be sending all registered voters an absentee ballot in the mail. The governor there in nevada says theyre making this move because of coronavirus concerns. Other states are doing that as well, but theres also a variety of reasons that states are moving that direction. Mailin voting has happened for decades, but it is now becoming the latest political fight. President trump threatening to sue states, including nevada, over these moves, claiming without evidence and it has been studied that mailin voting will lead to widespread voter fraud. Listen to what he told axios. You got millions of ballots going nobody even knows where theyre going. You look at some of the corruption having to do with universal mailin voting. Absentee voting is okay. You have to apply you have to apply for mailin. Its the same thing. Look okay, lets do concrete jonathan, theyre sending out applications. Millions of ballots. No, theyre not. Its applications. You can get them off the internet. There is no way you can go through a mailin vote without massive cheating. You know, you could have a case where this election wont be decided on the evening of november 3rd. Absolutely. Whats wrong with that . This election could be decided two months later. It wont be two months. Whats wrong with the proper mailing count . It could be decided months later. You know why . Because lots of things will happen during that period of time, especially when you have tight margins. Lots of things can happen. Here with me now, the democratic majority leader of the nevada state senate, nicole canazarro. Thank you so much for being here. I know President Trump just yesterday in an interview called on nevada specifically. What do you say to the president when you hear what he says and also the chair of the Republican Party who says youre upending election rules to allow more opportunity for fraud and allow ballot harvesting. Great to be here with you, kate. I would say this. This bill that weve passed to allow for mailin ballots is a very simple bill that is focused on ensuring that every nevada come this general election can safely and securely exercise that constitutional right to vote. It allows for every active voter to receive a mailin ballot and also has expanded voting sites for both election day and early voting. And this idea that this is based in some allegation of elevator fraud we know is not true, because we even had our republican secretary of state say that in our last mailin ballot election just this last june that there werent any cases of that. I would say this is really just an attempt that were seeing both nationally and here in nevada, a strategy, really, on behalf of the republicans to undermine this election and to decrease voter turnout. And we know that the president thinks that if voter turnout is high, that they cant win. And thats exactly what were seeing here. Another state lawmaker, a republican, he says that hes concerned about what this would mean. And heres how he put it. And i want to read it to you. Im sure youve seen it. If walmart and costco and all of these large stores can do business in this pandemic, we can do voting. Does he have a point . I would stress this point. We are still very much in the middle of a pandemic. And everyone, across the board, even here in the legislative building are taking steps to make sure people are safe. Right now were in the middle of a special session and dont have anyone in the building except for legislators and staff. And that is an effort to keep people safe. And when exercising your right to vote, we absolutely have to put those protections in place. This bill allows for inperson voting for anyone who wishes to cast their ballot in person, but also provides that safety measure for vulnerable population and for people who really need it in order to exercise it by sending in that mailin ballot. Look, the president s threatening legal action against nevada. As far as i know, he hasnt done anything about it yet with your state. Do you think he will . Kate, yi cant say whether h will or wont, but what i will say is this. We have seen these types of lawsuit previously here in nevada. Weve been sued by rightwing groups before, claiming these false allegations of voter fraud. And those cases have been routinely dismissed, because it quite simply does not exist if the president wants to sue us here in nevada, were ready to take that fight on again. And were confident that we will win and we will do everything we can to make sure that were protecting that constitutional right to vote, in a safe and secure manner this general election. And it has been studied, many times. And it has been found that 99. 999 of ballots are proper. But can you guarantee that nevadas election in november will be safe and secure as last years or years past . I think the important thing to point out that here in nevada, we actually did just do a mostly mailin ballot election in june with some of the highest turnout that weve seen in primaries. And our local Election Officials were able safely and securely administer that election in a way where votes were counted, people were safe, and we could vote. And at the time that process was acceptable for everyone here in the state web want to utilize that same process, because the important point and i think this cant be overstated, we are still in the middle of a pandemic. People are still at risk. I think it is incumbent upon us to make sure we can do that and weve seen it successful, just not even a couple of months ago. If youre wondering why the focus of the president on nevada, just so everyone knows and i know you know this very well, nevada is a competitive state. It was competitive in 2016, its competitive this year. That might have something to do with the political motivation and focus on this. Thank you very much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you. 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Two teens have died from covid19related complications in the state of florida. This brings the death toll of children to seven, according to the Florida Department of health, more than 38,000 children have contracted the virus and nearly 400 have been hospitalized. This as we learn that some schools in miamidade county, which is the epicenter of the crisis in the state could open for facetoface instruction. Yes, miamidade schools have opted for virtual learning, but there are 139 Charter Schools who could hospital fopt for fac instruction. Im Diane Gallagher in atlanta. The Convention Center is now a covid19 overflow hospital. It began accepting patients on monday. These are not the sickest covid19 patients. Instead, this is meant to alleviate some of the pressure on hospitals that in some cases are being pushed to the brink. The state of georgia is seeing about an 85 icu bed capacity right now. Right at this moment, they have 60 beds inside the facility, but it can be expanded to 120 if thats needed. Im andy scholes in milton, georgia. Major League Baseball continues to have big problems with its travel style of play. 21 games now in total have had to be postponed because of the coronavirus. And the st. Louis cardinals are becoming the latest team to have an outbreak spread among the team. Seven players and six staffers have tested positive for covid19 in the past week, and as a result, the teams fourgame series against the tigers in detroit that was scheduled to start today has been postponed. The cardinals have been in quarantine in milwaukee since thursday. Theyre going to stay there and their personnel will continue to be tested daily. The plan is to resume their schedule in st. Louis. The Miami Marlins had 18 players test positive are finally set to resume play later today against the orioles in baltimore. Theyve been out of action since july 26th. Andy, diane, rosa, thank you all very much. Still ahead for us, is being antimask the new antivaccination. One doctor breaks down the startling similarities between these movements. You know when your dog is itching for a treat. Itching for an outing or itching for some cuddle time. But you may not know when hes itching for help licking for help or rubbing for help. If your dog does these frequently. They may be signs of an allergic skin condition that needs treatment. Dont wait. Talk to your veterinarian and learn more at itchingforhelp. Com. Doctors, Health Experts and scientists said, explained and showed the Science Behind over and over again that Wearing Masks helps slow and stop the spread of the coronavirus but theres a vocal portion of the country refuse to believe it or go along with it and one doctor explains it this way in a piece for cnn. Com. If their emphasis on personal freedom, their misrepresentation of science and the passion to defend their position feels familiar it is likely because the tactics have been used for years by another group, the antivaxers. The movement is a trend of people, many parents that refuse to vaccinate especially children due to a variety of reasons and perceived fears. Perceived fears like the unproven fear that vaccines cause autism. Joining me is the doctor that wrote this piece whos a pediatrician. Thank you for coming in. You say i found it fascinating in reading the piece you say to think of them as the same or one type of person is a mistake but there are similarities. Can you walk us through those . Of course, kate. It is great to be with you. When we think of people who refuse things like vaccines, refuse to wear masks even though theyve been proven to help, i think we have to remember that these people are very diverse. They are as i explained in my piece as diverse as america itself than arrive at the conclusions from very different points of views, different beliefs to start with, but ultimately what unifies them is a belief that they come before everyone else. Right . My child before every other child. My rights to not wear a mask before the rights of the community, frankly, to be healthy and to not contract covid19 so its a connection that they have and that i come first, my family comes first and the passion with which they defend some of these beliefs and the attack on science because sometimes it is a vicious attack on science and ive been a victim of it myself on social media and when i speak out for science. Why is it important to call us and understand . You do as you lay out the similarities you can see it. Mid middle of a pandemic. What do you want people to take from this . To understand. Not that we are trying to attack and point out. We need to understand. If we are ever going to unify this country around a common cause, around coming together, to protect one another, to bring down the levels of virus circumstance latting in the communities we have to understand how the fears playing in and understand where the misrepresentation of science is happening if we ever are going to bridge that gap and bring people along on the journey. You mentioned that one similarity is that casting doubt or misrepresenting and casting doubt and rejecting science, i wonder as a doctor how do you convince someone who is antivax or antimask to see and listen to the science then . Kate, i actually wrote a piece for cnn, as well, about this very point because i have taken this journey with families and i believe i titled it how i convinced a family to vaccinate and the important differentiation here is that im not talking about the family that has a question, that has a concern, that has read something online and bringing it to the pediatrician and have a conversation one on one, no judgment or attack online. In this latest piece this is the antimask about the vicious community that is trying to scare on purpose and cast doubt on science on purpose. That is a very different thing and i think the only way we combat it is having one on one conversations outside of the internet in person as much as we can with people that know us. Absolutely. Understanding and seeing the similarities is a beginning. Is a beginning to that. I really appreciated how you point it out. Go to cnn. Com, the doctors oped live right now and you will enjoy it. Thank you so much. 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New questions about whether the president six months in still doesnt get the basings about how viruses spread, how testing works and how cherry picking statistics can backfire. The election is 13 weeks from today. And the president is determined to close the coronavirus chapter of this most challenging year. Right now i think its under control