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Fredricka whitfield. Just a short time ago a train carrying the bodies of those who died on Malaysian Air flight 17 moved away from the crash scene the refrigerated train cars are headed to donetsk in eastern ukraine. Thats a volatile rebelcontrolled area. Earlier search teams found the bodies. Many of the bodies are on those cars. Also today, the leader of the prorussian rebels says he has technical devices that might be the black boxes. He says if experts determine the black boxes are indeed the flight recorders, they would be returned or turned over to international investigators. Lets go to phil black at the crash site. Phil, what more are we learning about those black boxes . Well, fredricka this is a key part of international concern. Where are they . Such a key part in determining what happened. One day after the leader of the rebels said we havent touched the wreckage, we dont know where those voice and data recorders are, they now say we have technical items that may be those black boxes and were holding on to them in a secure place in donetsk, the regional capital. They say theyll hand them over to International Experts when they get here but theyre not going to give them to the Ukrainian Government because they dont trust the Ukrainian Government. The Ukrainian Government doesnt trust them either. Today the Ukrainian Government released audio recordings it says are between rebels talking about the need to find those black boxes because people in moscow, the russian capital, want them to do so. Take a listen. [ speaking Foreign Language ] now, we cant verify those recordings and say whether or not they are in fact rebels talking about this as the Ukrainian Government claims, but the Ukrainian Government says its another key piece of evidence in the case theyre building trying to implicate russia in the shooting down of this aircraft. Theyve been saying that russia supplied the weapon that was used. Theyre now saying that russia is trying to help really insisting upon a coverup to hide their tracks, if you like, hide their involvement in this terrible disaster. And then, phil, what kind of activity did you see at the crash site today . Well, weve seen a lot of activity over the last 24 hours. Yesterday there were still so many bodies out in the open. Now most of those have been collected. As you mentioned theyre being stored on refrigerated carts in a nearby train station moved to donetsk, we believe. The key point here is still very much under rebel control. That means that the Ukrainian Government, the international community, still does not have access to these bodies, cannot begin the process of identifying them and returning them to the correct families, their loved ones around the world. And thats really the important point. While weve seen progress in recovering the bodies, some limited progress in securing the site from further contamination and tampering with, there are no investigators here on the ground. There are not yet the proper experts qualified in dealing with the disaster of this scale and nature. And thats what the rest of the world really desperately wants to see here as soon as possible, fredricka. Phil black, thank you so much for bringing that to us. Appreciate that. Not far away in a local village where major parts of the airplane fell from the sky, people gather ed some of those piece of the plane and then piled it up. They called local officials but no one has come to that location. Chris cuomo has the latest on the search for answers there. Reporter a local villager brought us here far away from the crash site where its being investigated. Look what she showed us. She says a major part of the airplane fell right here out of the sky. And when surrounding villagers heard that a plane had fallen, they searched their property. And they started to bring things here, collecting everything they found. Personal effects, shoes, clothing, major parts of the airplane. It seems to be a big part of the cargo bay here. They brought it all, piled it up. They called local officials and told them. They said they answered questions but no one has come. Another man pointed to the forest and suspended in the tree was a huge part of the passenger compartment. Overhead Storage Still closed. What answers could be found here . What answers could be found in those compartments for investigators for the family, for the family of all these victims who are so desperate for answers. The best the villagers could do was make it a makeshift memorial. Flowers, candles, stuffed animals in memory of the children who were lost. This is why theres such a desperate need, time is of the essence, for this situation to be under control. Otherwise, who knows what information will be lost, what answers will be lost for the families. This is chris cuomo at the crash site of flight 17 in eastern ukraine. And well have much more news right after this. [ brian ] in a race, its about getting to the finish line. In life, its how you get there that matters most. Its important to know the difference. Like when i found out i had a blood clot in my leg. My doctor said that it could travel to my lungs and become an even bigger problem. And that i had to take action. So he talked to me about xarelto®. [ male announcer ] xarelto® is the first oral prescription blood thinner proven to treat and help prevent dvt and pe that doesnt require regular blood monitoring or changes to your diet. 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Also today president barack obama called mr. Netanyahu raising concerns about growing casualties and letting him know secretary of state john kerry will soon travel to cairo to seek an end to the conflict. The Prime Minister has been prepping israelis for long days of fighting. But hes also getting hard questions about the conflict with hamas. Earlier today, Cnns Wolf Blitzer sat down with the Prime Minister and asked about an exit strategy from gaza. Were being seen now by viewers in the United States and around the world in more than 200 countries around the world right now. Quick question, your exit strategy from gaza, what is it . Sustainable quiet. We didnt seek this escalation, hamas forced it on us. They started rocketing our cities steadily increasing the fire. I called for deescalation, they refused. I accepted an egyptian ceasefire proposal backed up by the u. N. And the arab league, they refused. I accepted a humanitarian lull proposed by the United Nations. They refused. Well stop our operations when they can bring back quiet to our people. Some of your cabinet ministers think the only way to do that is to reoccupy gaza which you evacuated from and gave it up back in 2005. Do you support reoccupying gaza . Well, i support taking whatever action is necessary to stop this insane situation. Just imagine, i mean. Imagine what israel is going through. Imagine that 75 of the u. S. Population is under rocket fire and they have to be in bomb shelters within 60 to 90 seconds. Im not just talking about new york. New york, washington, chicago, detroit, san francisco, miami, you name it. Thats impossible. You cant live like that. So i think we have to bring back, restore back reasonable sustained quiet and security and well take whatever actions necessary to include that. But that includes possibly reoccupying gaza . Because a lot of your military planners are afraid of a dangerous quagmire here. Nobody wants to go to Excessive Military lengths, but what is happening here is excessive. Theyre not only targeting our cities, theyre deliberately firing thousands of rockets. Already fired 2,000 rockets on our cities. You can imagine this. Its not only that. And they wanted to kill as many of our 6 million israelis who were targeted as they could. They havent succeeded not for lack of trying. Its because weve developed with american help and i appreciate the help that president obama and the u. S. Congress has given us to develop these iron dome fantastic system. But some of the missiles perforate and they hit our schools. In addition to the rockets, theyve got now terror tunnels that they build in palestinian homes in gaza, they penetrate under ground into israeli territory. Terrorists pop up there, try to murder civil iacivilians, kidnay did with gilad sharif. You see thousands of them fleeing their homes. Its a horrendous sight whats going on right now if you look at the images. Heart wrenching. What goes through your mind when you see that . Im very sad. When i see that im very sad. Were sad for every civilian casualty. Theyre not intended. This is the difference between us. The hamas deliberately targets civilians and deliberately hides behind civilian. They imbed their rocketeers, their rocket caches, their other weaponry which they use to fire in civilian areas. What choice do we have . We have to protect ourselves. We try to target the rocketeers, we do. All civilian casualties are unintended by us but actually intended by hamas. They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can because somebody said its gruesome. They use telegeniccally dead palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better. The argument that your critics make is that youre overreacting right now, overkilling. I want to say this. There are very few examples of history in countries that have been rocketed on this scale. If you look at our response, its actually very measured and trying to be as pinpointed as we can, but i think when people say that i appreciate the support weve received from president obama and many World Leaders for israels right to selfdefense, but others are saying, you have the right of selfdefense as long as you dont exercise it. What can a country do . What would you do . What would the people of the United States do if your cities are rocketed now, 2,000 rockets falling in American Cities . You know, people would say in the United States, as theyre telling me, obliterate the people. We dont obliterate them. We dont have any battle with the palestinians in gaza. But it is brutal there now. Its very difficult because hamas is using them, the palestinians, as human shields. We develop antimissile systems to protect we use antimissile systems to protect our civilians. They use their civilians to protect their missiles. Thats the difference. Against such a cynical, brutal, heartless enemy, we try to minimize civilian casualties, we try to target the military targets. Unfortunately, there are civilian casualties which we regret and we dont seek. They all fall on the responsibility of hamas. The president , president obama, he urged you the other day, all the parties, to return to the ceasefire that was reached in november 2012. Are you accepting his proposal, go back to that ceasefire . I already did. I already did. If hamas were to say we accept the ceasefire, would israel withdraw its forces. That was the egyptian prosal and we accepted and they refused. It is too late . I dont want to speak about it being too late. First thing is a cessation of hostilities. Would israel withdraw its forces first, we have to deal with this tunnel business because were not leaving you would stay until those tunnels are destroyed. Were doing that right now. How long will that take . Its being done fairly quickly. The important thing right now is not to begin to put terms. I think the important thing is to end hostilities and then get into a situation where we have sustainable ceasefire. That means beginning to discussion the demilitarization of gaza. Gaza under all the previous agreements should have been demilitarized. Instead of being demilitarized, it became an iranian financed and equipped fortress of terror with thousands of rockets and other weapons being smuggled and developed and that has to stop. Still to come, the second part of wolf blitzers discussion with israeli Prime Minister benjamin net ma hanyan. Our new flatbread sandwiches may be flat. The flavors, are anything but. So whether its taste inspired by the freshness of the mediterranean. Or the smoky spice of the southwest. Or bold, adventurous thai flavors. You always get flavor thats anything but flat. And always with chicken raised without antibiotics. New flatbread sandwiches from panera. Each 360 calories or less. Try one today. This is cnn breaking news. This breaking news, a new development in the conflict between israel and hamas. We understand now, cnn is confirming, that hamas claims it has captured an israeli soldier. Lets go to our karl penhaul in gaza city. What do you know . Reporter fredricka, the military wing of hamas made this announcement, a very dramatic announcement on its own tv channel just a few moments ago. What the al cassen brigade said theyd captured an israeli soldier early sunday morning in a clash on the northeastern border between gaza and israel. They gave the name and the number of that soldier. I wont give you that over the air because we dont know if that soldiers next of kin have been informed. We looked for their statement at the idf, thats the Israeli Military says they are aware of these reports and are checking. Just to put this into conflict, is this a wild claim by the al khassam brigades or not . Over the last nights when they have made statements over commando raids and clashes in which they caused casualties on the Israeli Military their statements have largely proved accurate. So were going to have to see, were going to have to see over the next minutes and hours what the Israeli Military response, but weve already heard the response from some of the people of gaza. Were in an office here on the 11th floor of a building, and when that statement went out on gaza tv, all around we heard from apartment buildings loud cheers, clapping going up from ordinary citizens. In the distance we heard celebratory gunfire going up as well. They clearly believe, ordinary gazan people believe this could be a turning point in this confrontation with israel. Why . Because they look to the experience of when gaza militants captured an israeli soldier back in 2006, gilea gilead shalit. He spent a year and was eventually swapped in a Prisoner Exchange for more than 1,000 palestinian prisoners. They believe that the capture of this israeli soldier as claimed by hamas could prove a decisive moment, fredricka. Then, karl, what is the feeling as to how this would be a turning point in this conflict, meaning this group would feel like it has some leverage against the Israeli Defense forces or does it mean a greater possibility in brokering some other sort of deal of peace . All of the above, in a sense, fredricka. What it does do is give a huge boost to the military gazan factions. Theyre fighting a guerrilla war against a much more powerful conventional israeli army. So the fact that theyve been able to capture an israeli soldier as well as having staged a number of commando attacks on Israeli Forces over the previous nights in which they have inflicted casualties on the Israeli Forces, that will put the hamas militants and other gaza militants on a good footing of good morale footing internally. It could also galvanize support among the ordinary civilians of gaza to think that the militant factions are making some headway in their fight against israel, that all of this fight isnt in vain. We also know from past experience that israel does not leave its soldiers on the battlefield. It does not leave either their remains on the battlefield or living soldiers in captivity. We have seen in the past that israel has eventually been pushed into brokering deals into prisoner swaps in the case of either dead bodies or living soldiers being captured by palestinian militant factions. And in this case were going to have to see how it pans out, of course. Could it mean that the Palestinian Militants use this to pressure israel to call a ceasefire and to cave in to some of their demands . Well have a look at that. Because the flip side is that this angers the Israeli Military even more and the military offensive grows in force, fredricka. And this taking place on the day that is considered one of the deadliest days since this conflict. And then seeing the israeli Prime Minister coming out in full force hitting every u. S. Television Network Today in detail spelling out how the idf will be unrelenting. Whats the expectation of what the israeli response would be to this now . It is a little too early to suggest what the israeli response might be. Like i say, it could cut both ways. On past experience we know that the Israeli Military is loathe to leave its soldiers on the battlefield whether they are alive or dead. We have seen that in the past the Israeli Military has been willing to broker some kind of a deal, although in some cases thats taken years to get through. It hasnt been an instant fix. Well have to wait and see on that. We have heard, of course, the statements, the interviews that israeli Prime Minister mr. Netanyahu has been giving. Weve heard that 13 Israeli Soldiers were killed in clashes with hamas overnight. That for hamas in guerrilla war terms is a big success. It shows us since 2012, 2009, the last confrontations between hamas and israel, that hamas has improved its tactics, improved its technology, its fighting a much more effective war against a more powerful israeli machine this time around. But in terms of the impact on their claims of the capture of an israeli soldier on the northeast gaza border this morning, we have to see how israel responds. Tonight we can hear many, many drones, many israeli drones in the air. Theyve been in the air on previous nights as well. But tonight my guess is they will be searching for clues about where this israeli soldier is. My guess is that if israeli commandos can try and rescue that soldier alive, they will try and do so. This is a very fluid situation, of course, and were keeping our eyes on it. When we must also be clear and wait for, no firm conformation from the Israeli Military. Theyre still checking these reports. We need to see quite clearly what their response to this situation is, fredricka. Karl, i want to bring in retired u. S. Air force Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona, cnn military analyst into the fold here as well. Colonel, how does this change israels strategy now . It will change their tactics almost immediately. Excellent reporting from karl there. Theyre probably going to start looking for him right now. This is the same thing that would have happened lets talk about Bowe Bergdahl when he went missing. Immediately everything stops and everyone goes into a search and recovery mode to try to find this guy. Youll see increased drone activity, more commando activity because the best chance of getting him back is getting him back quickly. Once they have him for any length of time, theyre going to move him to somewhere secure and then well probably see some proof of life or video or something later. Now is the critical time. If theyre going to get him, theyre going to get him now. Well see a flurry of activity. As far as the longterm goal of the israelis, i dont think it will change much. Theyre committed to going in there and rooting out the rockets and the tunnels. So weve got two things going on right now. But this does mean that israels likely to cease, stop its air arsenal while it would be searching for its soldier. Maybe, maybe not. They may pull back a little bit or move to different areas. They may designate a certain area as a nofire zone but theyll continue the Overall Mission because they have to do that. They have to keep the pressure up. If they stop the momentum, then they bog down. Now, you remember, as karl pointed out, and in the past confrontations, they suffered greatly when the israelis came in. Theyve had years now to refine their tactics, build their boobytraps. Set up ambush passageways. It alolooks like theyre doing t and to some effect. Its their space, their battlefield. They do have the advantage of playing on their home turf, if you will. You talk about hamas having the advantage especially now that theres this taking of a soldier. Yes, and i read the arabic chyron there. It actually said the al khassan brigades. Does that change your opinion . But they have more kredzibility. It says right there. Thats what it says, khassam and is giving the soldiers serial number. The serial number of the zionist soldier and his number. Going to check back with you momentarily. For those who are just now joining us, well bring you up to date. The armed wing of hamas is claiming it captured an israeli soldier in the fighting in gaza. Karl penhaul with us now as well as Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona, all this taking place on a deadly sunday in the middle east. The deadliest since this conflict began. 13 soldiers dead and during this Israeli Ground attack, we understand there are 87 palestinians killed today. Hundreds more wounded near gaza city. During a brief ceasefire today those civilians that were caught in this fighting were able to get medical attention and get out of harms way at least temporarily, according to United Nations officials who are also saying that 81,000 palestinians fleeing the violence have sought refuge at u. N. Shelters set up in gaza city. Lets return our conversation with karl penhaul and Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona. Karl, this does change the strategy with this wing of hamas taking or claiming responsibility for taking this soldier and certainly gives them the upper hand. You are in agreement with the colonel on that . Yeah, i think youve got to look at this in terms of a guerrilla fight. This is an asymmetrical war, not a fight tweep two conventional armies. Had a large conventional army taken a prisoner from another conventional army in military terms, it may not mean a great deal. But hamas is fighting a guerrilla war against a much more sophisticated much more powerful conventional israeli army. The fact that the al qassam brigades claim to have captured on the northeast border, gives it a huge morale boost. It is militarily a success in guerrilla war terms. It is also proving popular with the gaza civilian population. Any Guerrilla Force, okay, hamas is defined by Many International nations as a terrorist group. Nefrl, it is a Guerrilla Force. Any Guerrilla Force needs to survive the support of the civilian population. News of this capture tonight seems to have galvanized that from our Vantage Point in all the buildings around we heard spontaneous cheers going up from apartment blocks. We heard celebratory gunfire and we heard chants going out from some of the mosques. Gaza population is pleased with this capture. Why . Because surely they remember the experience they had when gaza militants captured gilad shall it back in 2006. They hunted for him, searched for him, failed to find him. After five years they were forced into cutting a deal with gaza militants to free more than 1,000 palestinian prisoners in exchange for a single israeli soldier. That was the first they were able to capture in 26 years. This will be seen given the military psyche a devastating blow that one of their number has been taken prisoner by hamas military wing. Right now we have to see how this unfolds in terms of israels military response. As the colonel rightly said, the israelis will be dedicating a lot of resources to try to follow the immediate trail of this soldier to see if they can get a bead on him. To see if they can get him back by force. By putting in their of their crack commandos and rescuing him. But the trail may be going cold because according to the al qassam brigades they captured this soldier early sunday morning. Theyve taken this long to announce that theyve captured him. That presumably is to buy themselves time to get him into some kind of place where they can keep him, where they can bunker him down and where they can defend him against any kind of israeli attempts to get him back quick. This is a key bargaining chip. Colonel, that he was captured early in the day and this news was not made until late in the day as you heard karls explanation there, is it your concern or fear that this militant wing of hamas would not stop at one but perhaps the game plan would be to capture more Israeli Soldiers . Of course. Thats always the goal is to capture these guys, because as karl pointed out, they know what the price is. They know that they can at some point in time get freedom for any captured hamas leaders that are now in israeli jails. Theres a precedent. The israelis did that when they released over a thousand people for gilad shalit. They become very valuable. Better to have them alive. This really boosted hamas morale, al qassam morale but it took a toll on the israelis because now theyve lost one of their own to capture. Thats always a devastating blow. They lost 13 of their soldiers. I understand these were out of the gi llani brigade which is o of their elite units. This is an asymmetrical battle. Thats a guerrilla campaign. Youre going into streets and you dont know who is there. This is a palestinian advantage because its their home turf. Basically every palestinian that lives there will feed them information. Very dangerous situation. Colonel francona, thank so much. Well take a short break and update our viewers. Im living the life of dreams. Im living the life of dreams, with good people all around me. Im living the life of dreams. No im living the life of dreams. Im feeling hopefully. 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We have now with us karl penhaul in gaza city, also a former israeli ambassador to the u. S. Michael orrin and Atika Shubert in israel and Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona, our cnn military analyst coming to us from new york. I want to go to you ambassador orin first, might this be a repeat of 2006 with the capture of Gilad Schalit who was released five years later in exchange for 1,000 palestinians . Good to be with you, fredricka. Well, there has been no confirmation on the israeli side about the abduction of any israeli soldier. There have been rumors occasionally floated during the course of the entire protective edge operation. Usually by the hamas side. Hamas has frequently broadcast claims that have no bearing in reality, but tonight Prime Minister netanyahu and the defense minister gave a Major Press Conference to talk about the deaths of 13 soldiers from the elite alani brigade. They didnt mention, didnt imtimmate in any way that there may have been an israeli soldier who may also have been abducted. Why is that . If they know about it, why would there not be any comment . Probably because they had to confirm it very carefully. They probably have to distinguish whether theyre dealing with a live hostage in the case of hamas and other terror organizations in our region. They know israels sensitivity to human remains and theyve attempted to acquire these remains by one means or another and hold those hostage as well. You mentioned the Gilad Schalit exchange, yes, one soldier very much alive was exchanged for more than a thousand palestinian prisoner. But we had cases of hundred of prisoners have been released for the bodies of Israeli Soldiers. So the government has to be very careful here. It is in the mid of a very intense intense military struggle in gaza. Issues of national morale. Theyre cautious in dealing with the feelings of families and they would never make public any claim unless it was fully, fully substantiated. So the government is being very cautious here. Again, it has not been substantiated. It could be one of the many false claims by hamas, well have to wait and see. If substantiated, how devastating to the strategy or focus of Israeli Forces would this be in your view . Im sure it would be a blow to morale. We have in israel we have a citizens army. Its not like your volunteer army in the United States. Its universal conscription. So when you talk about soldiers, theyre basically our kids, our fathers, our brothers and our sisters, too, because women serve in the military as well. Its something thats very personal to every israeli. And it would be a blow. I do not think, i do not think that this will in any way impact the course of the operation which will almost certainly continue. Lets bring in karl penhaul, hes there in gaza city. You told us how people were celebrating there. You could hear the voices of people celebrating once they heard the news of this claim through the airwaves that indeed an israeli soldier had been captured by this military wing of hamas. Tell us more in detail what youve learned since then. Yeah, i think there is a certain number of important points that ambassador oren brings up. First of all, this is a claim by the spokesman of the al qassam brigades. Were working to independently confirm that and seeking any kind of confirmation from the Israeli Military. In the al qassam brigade statement, they did give the name and the number of that soldier. Were holding back on giving those details out on our air. We feel that any military organization either regular army or irregular army has the right to follow its procedures and inform the next of kin first, but we do have that information. That i would guess, al qassam brigades are trying to put out to lend credence to their claim. Of course, in any war, one cannot necessarily take the first word of any of the warring sides, whether theyre established governments or guerrilla units on International Terrorist lists like the gaza militants. One has to look for independent confirmation, but over the previous nights al qassam brigades have made claims on tv stations in gaza and those claims have, in broad terms, proved correct. Thiv given in the past few days correct information about burr oeg across the border into israel to launch commando operations. They also gave correct information about the attack on the gilani unit and that devastating loss of live against the Israeli Military last night. Al qassam gave Accurate Information on that. We have to look at these claims seriously but look for independent confirmation. It will, of course, if proved true, be a tremendous morale boost for a guerrilla army. They will also demonstrate that theyre using new tactics, theyre putting new skills to the test in this war in contrast to previous confrontations with israel. These crossborder commando raids are a new thing. The fact that they can capture in combat an israeli soldier will be seen by them as a major axheevment. It certainly is being seen as a major achievement by the civilians here in gaza from our Vantage Point when the qassam brigades report that news, civilians in apartment blocks around erupted. We could hear them inside their homes cheering and clapping. We could hear celebratory gunfire. It is macabre. Its macabre that people are celebrating battlefield tragedies, but it does show it feeds into this idea that the capture of a single israeli soldier could perhaps mark a turning point in this confrontation between hamas and israel. It could perhaps give hamas sufficient leverage, sufficient Bargaining Power to force israel into some kind of bargaining because remember now one of the main or one of the points that hamas has been insisting on in the last few days from meaningful ceasefire with israel is that israel should release hundreds of palestinians rounded up following the kidnap and murder of those three israeli teenagers last month and many of those who were rounded up and are now in israeli prisons were also the prisoners, the palestinian Prisoners Released in the Gilad Schalit Prisoner Exchange. Well check back with you. Atika shubert is there in israel. I take it you heard karls reporting there especially given the recent track record, the kind of information that hamas has said it had and found out that much of that is true. While the Israeli Government is not acknowledging or authenticating this claim. Is there a sense or a feeling of real believability because of precedence that this really could be the case . Well, certainly the statements that have been put out previously by the al cass um brigades have, as karl points out, generally proved to be true. Theres a lot of fear and concern here that this latest claim of kidnapping an israeli soldier could very well turn out to be true as well. That, of course, would be a major concern for the israeli public. Theyre already reeling from the loss of 13 soldiers in the gilani brigade. The gilani brigade is an elite infantry unit and has a sterling reputation in terms of the way it operates and the fact that its supposed to be one of the most efficient and wellrun, you know, brigades and established brigades in the israeli army. For it to take such a loss is really quite astonishing for the israeli public especially considering it all happened overnight in the span of just a few hours. So now, if on top of that loss of 13 soldiers, there is now this report of an israeli soldier being kidnapped possibly held hostage, then this will have quite a devastating impact on the public, but again this information has not been independently confirmed. Were still looking into those reports. And to repeat, the Israeli Defense forces have said that they are looking into these reports but they have not made any further comment at this time. Atika, thanks so much. Well return to this conversation in a moment when we come back. Im going to ask Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona how this might be a game changer. So nice, so nice sweet, sweet, st. Thomas nice so nice, so nice st. Croix full of pure vibes so nice, so nice st. John a real paradise so nice, so nice proud to be from the Virgin Islands and the whole place nice [ female announcer ] to experience your Virgin Islands nice, book one of our summer packages today. Virgin islands nice, i never know what kind theof adventure awaits. 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How much of a game changer is this now in this conflict . Its a game changer immediately because it will change what the israeliles are doing on the ground in that sector. Theyre going to be looking for him. The fact that theyve waited this long to announce it, theyve got him in a position where he is securely in their grasp and the israelis wont be able to find him. So thats what were initial going to see. Overall the israeli strategies will not change. Theyre committed to this mission. Theyre going to hunt down the rockets and the tunls and do the best they can. In the future theyre going to have to deal with this. As the ambassador mentioned earlier, theyll have to make some sort of accommodation to get this guy back. Mr. Ambassador, you heard from our karl penhaul and his reporting that according to hamas the capture took place early sunday but it was only sunday evening that it was broadcast. Israel is not confirming this. According to you, theyll take some time to try to authenticate this. But as they try to do that, how urgently does israel want to acknowledge this publicly once it is able to, perhaps authenticate this claim . Again, i agree with everything that was said by the Lieutenant Colonel. If a soldier were abducted, then its not going to change the course of the operation. Perhaps some forces would be diverted to cordon off an area so that if there were an abducted soldier, again, this is very hypothetical, that they would not be able to transfer him to other sectors of the gaza strip. It has been israels army policy to section off parts of gaza that way, hermetically. The Israeli Military, the Israeli Government is very determined, as was said earlier, to proceed and try to achieve the goals of this mission, which are exposing those penetration tunnels and eliminating the rocket fire. Okay. And no confirmation about the soldier now. Everyones very sensitive about it. 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