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Survivors. Authorities are still calling this a searchandrescue operation. Although i have to point out, no survivors have been pulled from the frigid waters alive since right after the ferry went down last wednesday, and conditions for divers are worsening by the hour. Translator the conditions are so bad, my heart aches. Were going in thinking there may be survivors, when we have to come back with nothing, we cant even face the families. 121 people are confirmed dead. Another 181 are still missing. And most of the bodies recovered, were now told, were wearing life vests. Now that we know, will, that these search teams have gotten into the ferrys cafeteria, what is next for them . Reporter well, sadly, brooke, its horrible to say, but likely what we expect to happen now in the coming hours is to see more of these shifts coming back to shore, bringing with them the people who were in that cafeteria, trapped in the cafeteria as the water was rising. So many of these Young Students were in there having breakfasts, visiting with their friends. Likely looking forward to the class trip they were sailing out on, when all of a sudden things started to happen. They knew that something was wrong with the ship. We know that there were students in that cafeteria, brooke, who were making calls to Emergency Services before the ship even reported its official distress call. We have learned too well that the first emergency call came in actually not from a crew member onboard that ferry, but from a passenger. Do we know who from . Reporter isnt that remarkable. Yeah, 8 52 a. M. A voice described as a young boy, very shaken up, called, and he said, i think theres a problem with the ship. I think were sinking. That was 8 52. Three minutes before the official may day came from the ferry. We know 20 of those calls were made by students on that ship. Many of them frightened, scared about what was going to happen as the ship was going down. We know that most of the people who made those calls are now still on the list of the missing. Which makes it so much more tragic. Will ripley for us in south korea. Will, thank you. A quick reminder at the top of next hour, ill be talking to a woman with an absolutely stunning story. Shes a mother, a wife, on the Costa Concordia, knows too well the notion of fighting rushing water, gravity, and fighting for her life. She thought she was going to die six times. Her fury over whats happening with this ferry at the top of the next hour. Now this. We are in a critical moment in search for flight 370 now. It may be time to actually go back to the drawing board. A Tropical Cyclone today forced authorities to suspend air searches over the indian ocean. But its the search under the surface thats really the chief concern right now. Here it is, the u. S. Navys underwater drone, the bluefin21. It is potentially hours away from wrapping up its search of the suspected crash site. And still, nothing. No trace of the missing jetliner. And now cnn has just learned exclusive new information coming out of australia here. Officials are working out what those next steps of this investigation will be. Let me lay out for you the key focuses of the three key areas. One, you have the handling of debris, who gets it, where does the debris stay. Also, the care of human remains, if and when they are found. And then this one. Potentially widening the search area, if the bluefins final hours come up empty. All of this according to martin dolan, chief commissioner of the australian bureau. Fred, nice to have you on. And here i just have to ask in the final hours, potentially of this underwater drone, bluefin21, how much confidence do you have in this piece of technology . In mapping the area . What is next . Well, the bluefin21 is a great, amazing piece of technology. We just have to remember theres a lot of other acoustic systems in play there trying to make that system work. You have not only the sonar, which weve seen operating in dramatizations of, but you also have these positioning systems. They almost act like taking the gps from the surface, and projecting that down and using acoustics to get through all those layers. And then figuring out where the bluefin is on the seabed. Then theres other technology called basically acoustic modems that allow the operators there to send virtually Text Messages, get status messages, send texts down to the vehicle. And get updates from the vehicle. But all of that technology is really used for something where you know you have an area where you believe is well defined. Thats the thing. They think they have this area, but again, there has been no debris. This is based upon science and triangulation, that they think this is the area, but so far, i mean, ive lost track of how many days theyve been looking for this plane. I think its 47 now. They have the bluefin21, and youre outlining all these pieces of technology, why not use more i guess is my question . Well, there are different there are other technologies that can be brought to bear if the search area expands. Some of these are deep towed systems that can see out a much broader range. But it makes the coordination of efforts more difficult, if you have many of these systems operating in the same region. How do you mean . Why . Because of the various acoustics, like i said, the various acoustics. Sonar signals put to play for each type of instrument. So the phoenix the people at phoenix international, they have their own deep sonar systems, but theres also the deep sur mer jens lab. The chinese have the deep tow sonar instruments. And all of these groups would have to coordinate, and stay far enough apart from each other to operate their systems without interfering with the other group. But also, then you have this tremendous amount of data thats going to be collected. And theres no real highspeed internet on these ships to coordinate it. Its much different than the aircraft search, where the air crafts come in every day. And they can download their data, exchange it over the internet. When it comes to these ships gathering hundreds of megabytes of data an hour, somewhere that has to get coordinated where it can be brought to a Central Location and have somebody handle these efforts. The more people you get involved, although theres plenty of equipment out there, it just becomes a more challenging scenario. Sounds like the challenges continue to mount. At least there are plans, and theyre asking the questions, and again, the possibility of widening the search, really seems to be something theyre exploring. How to deploy resources, including other search assets, the ones you just outlined. Fred hegg, thank you so much. Well watch as we get the new information on the hunt for this 777. Coming up, the questions keep coming. How in the world did a teenager manage to hop an airport fence, climb up inside the wheel well of an airplane and survive a fivehour flight to hawaii. Remember, no oxygen in there. Well discuss that. Also ahead, Vice President biden is in ukraine today, as prorussian forces are defying any peace talks. What is next . Well take you there live. Later, the immense avalanche that killed 13 sherpas, the guides from the himalayas, helping people summit this beautiful mountain, after their death. Now Big Questions about safety on that mountain. The climbing season, the best time to summit everest weeks away. Will it go on . Stay with me. Youre watching special coverage here on cnn. Welcome back. Im Brooke Baldwin. You know the teenage stowaway who survived the overseas flight from california to hawaii, really defied death. It turns out the odds were not as severely stacked against him as you might have thought. Heres the deal. The faa Civil Aerospace medical institute knows 105 cases of people trying to fly inside wheel wells goes back to 1947. Of that number, 25 survived. And now the fbi says the 16yearold boy is among them. He is with Child Welfare services, now in hawaii. Officials have told his family in santa clara, california, that he is safe. Dan simon joins me from santa clara. And dan, is he going to face charges . Reporter we dont think so, brooke. First of all, as you said, were in the neighborhood where we believe this young man lives with his family. As you said, hes in protective in the custody of Child Protective Services in maui. At some point theyll make arrangements to bring him to santa clara. Were getting new details in terms of the timeline of all this. Were told by federal officials that the teenager, were now told hes 15, by the way, he jumped the fence at the san jose airport approximately 1 00 a. M. Sunday morning. The plane took off for maui approximately 8 00 in the morning. For a full seven hours, hes somewhere on the tarmac. Is he in the wheel well the entire time . That, we dont know. In terms of possible charges, theres a whole laundry list of things that he could have faced. Were talking about trespassing. If he was charged as an adult, you could receive up to five years in prison for being a stowaway. But because hes a minor, and because authorities have discretion, in dealing with minors, they have made the decision not to charge him, because apparently he seemed he didnt have a motive to cause any ill intent here. Thats what were told at this point. Dan, heres the obvious question. I know youre asking this as well. If were now hearing this, this 15yearold could have been somewhere, whether its the tarmac or up in that wheel well for seven hours, he hops a fence, my question is, where were surveillance cameras . Where was security . How did he pull this off . Reporter you know, thats the big question. We know that a surveillance camera did capture him hopping the fence, again, at 1 00 in the morning. We know there is a surveillance camera in maui, when he came off the airplane. So i think thats really the question, brooke. You hit it, the authorities are going to have to be looking at this very closely. Are they going to have to bolster the perimeter, the fence line perimeter, not only at the san jose airport, but at airports across the country . Where he apparently jumped the fence its a bit flimsy, if you will. It apparently wasnt that difficult to do so. If theres a problem in san jose, chances are theres a problem at other airports across the country. Thats something the fbi and tsa will have to look at closely. Yes, they will. We talk so much about a wheel well, you know what a wheel well looks like . Well show you exactly how cramped a ride in a wheel well of a 767 can be. Look at this for yourself. Plus, the fbi told our hawaii tv affiliate kgnb, the stowaway was wearing just jeans, hoodie and sneakers, and carrying a comb. Temperatures were as cold as 80 degrees below zero, and no oxygen, with altitudes as high as 38,000 feet. Somehow this 15yearold walked out of this wheel well on his own and Officials Say it was captured on airport Surveillance Video. He was weak. He hung from the wheel well. And then he fell to the ground and regained some strength and stood up and started walking to the front of the aircraft. Senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen. When i hear he fell out of the wheel well, it tells me he wasnt doing well in the wheel well of the plane. I dont care how old you are, how do you survive this . Theres a chaps it might have been a little warmer. Remember, he was in the wheel well, but he was in the plane. The plane is going to be a bit warmer. Your body heat. All the machinery, the body, all of that. It is possible that it was warmer than that. But when you hear that, you think, to be 16 again, right . You can survive Something Like this. What happens is that when you arent getting enough oxygen, yourimmedia metabolic processes down. When youre in that cold temperature, your metabolic processes slow down, so you actually need less oxygen. That may have helped him to be that cold. Now you wonder, how did he regain consciousness . He probably lost kpgsness within a minute of being oxygen deprived. Maybe he gradually got more oxygen in him with the slow descent. Maybe it was enough time to get the oxygen back in him. And he was able to walk. It really is i mean, stunning is really the only word to use. Shortterm, but wondering longterm here. Well talk to a doctor next hour who knows a lot about this altitude and issues within the body. For now, thank you so much. It is stunning indeed. Coming up, the families of those lost in the south korean ferry disaster, directing their anger, their frustration and grief at the captain and the crew of that ship. Coming up, ill talk to a retired coast guard officer that lessons can be learned from a tragedy like this. And what the captain of a ship really should do when it goes down. Also ahead, Vice President joe biden in ukraine today with tough talk for russia. Well take you live to ukraine coming up. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. To prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, hes agreed to give it up. Thats today . [ male announcer ] well be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. I was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. And now ive got to take more pills. Yup. Another pill stop. Can i get my aleve back yet . For my pain, i want my aleve. 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The acting president said hes going to relaunch antiterrorism operations, saying the geneva agreement is off the table. This is because, as he says, an attack that took place yesterday in a city that saw prorussian protesters, armed takeover one of the Police Buildings there. And also take the police chief into their custody. The situation here, brooke, as weve been saying, seeming to be unraveling rather than coming under more control to a resolution. Arwa, so im crystal clear, because theyre reporting whats happening with ukraine and russia for quite some time. Weve reported on threats, weve reported on, you know, troops in and around the border. And within ukraine. But in terms of violence, this is the first im hearing of tangible signs with the severely tortured bodies, is that correct . Reporter well, you do have that instance that took place with these two tortured bodies, and in listening to the reports that were coming out about them, it is chillingly reminiscent of the violence we saw taking place in iraq where unidentified mutilated bodies were regularly pulled out of the tigris river. But you also have the incident that took place a few nights ago where a prorussian checkpoint was attacked. Three prorussian protesters manning that checkpoint were killed. Their funerals took place earlier today. There have been a few instances of clashes, people being killed. But it most certainly seems when you look at all of this, with now this local politicians body being identified, with one of the Police Chiefs being taken into custody, the situation here does seem to be unraveling. Despite all of the efforts, at least on the bigger political level to try to bring about some resolution, on the ground, brooke, were not seeing any of that materialize into anything concrete. Unraveling, the appropriate word here, it sounds like in ukraine. Arwa damon, live in donetsk, thank you. The adage here, other news, the adage said the captain should go down with the ship. What happens when he does not . The captain of the Costa Concordia faced a public shaming. What does the law say about this, when is it fair for a captain to abandon ship even when lives are at stake . A lot of questions people are asking after the south korean ferry disaster. Cnn, back after this. [ male announcer ] this is jim. A man who doesnt stand still. But jim has afib, atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. That puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. For years, jims medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. But now, with onceaday xarelto jims on the move. Jims doctor recommended xarelto. Like warfarin, xarelto is proven effective to reduce afibrelated stroke risk. 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Two buoys mark the spot where the ship sank, and dozens of rescue vessels are surrounding that site here. 121 people now confirmed dead. Still 181 missing. And Officials Say most of the bodies recovered were wearing life vests. Also new today, the criminal investigation is growing, there are now more arrests to report. A total of nine crew members have been detained. Four of them appearing in court today with heads bowed, faces covered, hats on. Theyre accused of causing deaths due to abandonment. Tomorrow at the Students High School there will be a memorial for those who have died. But the ferry captain, his actions continue to be the focus of this investigation. Hes not the first to be charged with abandoning his passengers here. The acclaimed hero of the titanic to the man at the helm of the Costa Concordia. Reporter hes blamed for the worst maritime accident of alltime. He turned in on the titanic when the crew told them they hit an iceberg. It was april 1912. When the ship started to sink off the coast of canada, captain smith ordered the crew to prepare lifeboats. They gave an order, all passengers put on your life preservers, get up on the deck. Reporter captain smith ordered women and children be evacuated first. And helped save more than 700 people. He was on the bridge as the ship disappeared, lost among the 1,500 people who perished. Decades later, in 1956, an italian vessel, the andrea doria, collided with another ship off nantucket. Captain pierre had made a series of errors in dense fog and heavy traffic. Yet when it began to sink, the captain tried to make sure all the passengers and crew were evacuated. 46 people died. He wanted to go down with the ship, and pay for his mistakes. But his officers talked him out of it. The captain was the last person off, and never commanded another vessel again. The tale of another italian ship ended very differently. In 2012, when the Costa Concordia ran aground off the coast of italy, 32 people died. Captain francesco got off the ship with hundreds still onboard. He says he fell and tripped into a lifeboat. Listen as the coast guard ordered him to return to his ship. The captain is currently on trial. Among the charges hes facing . Abandoning ship with passengers still onboard, manslaughter, and causing maritime disaster. We did some checking and found there isnt any International Maritime law that says a captain must stay on a sinking ship. Many countries like south korea have their own law, a treaty adopted after the titanic sank. It doesnt require a captain stay onboard, but it does say the captain is responsible for the vessel and his passengers. That same treaty also says passengers should be allowed to evacuate within 30 minutes. Remember, the ferry took more than two hours to sink off south korea. But the passengers were told to stay in place. A warning that may prove to have cost hundreds of lives. Randi kaye, cnn, new york. You just heard randi explain this, maritime experts say when captain lee jumped the sinking ship, he reneged op his key duties. How serious is the conduct that the captain go down with the ship . Heres to help us is james loy. Admiral, welcome. Thank you, brooke. We heard from randi. She really spelled it out. Our correspondent saying there is no International Maritime law mandating a captain go down with his or her ship, though, of course, they have responsibilities. What are those responsibilities . Well, fundamentally, i think the it comes down to a couple few words. The captain is responsible for the safe navigation of the ship. Hes responsible for the safe passage of the crew and passengers. Even the cargo onboard. So theres nothing in the law that says the captain has to be the last one off, or go down with the ship certainly. In fact, we would like to think all the captains can survive these passengers as can their passengers and crew. But the ultimate nature of the responsibility of a captain at sea on a ship is such that his responsibilities are the first things he has to take care of, responsibility for. Within the maritime community, im curious if its unwritten law, or unwritten protocol, that the captain if something horrendous like this happens, the captain just stays onboard . The captain, as i say, is responsible for the safe passage of the crew. So when that crisis occurs, he or she ought to be the last around, so to speak, still directing traffic, if you will, giving the orders, providing the direction to the crew, in that nightmare circumstance that theyre dealing with. The bottom line here is, this is as much about preparation on the front end as it is about execution on the back end. Let me jump in on that. Thats a perfect segway. I want to quote you from your opinion piece. This is what you write, sir, collision or grounding or fire at sea is the immediate private hell on earth for a ships captain and crew. Their actions must be based on their preparation. But it makes you wonder here, sir, if this captain were prepared, yet compare that to the i dont know if youve seen this, this actual captain from this south korean ferry, he was in a promotion at video for this very company promoting safety. What does that sound like to you . Well, rhetoric is cheap. And behavior counts. At the other end of the day, the behavior in this instance, at least until the thorough investigations, which im certain will follow, were still sort of in the phase where were most focused on the tragedy, and the lives of these folks that we perhaps can still save. But at the other end of the day, the long phase is going to be a very thor i investigatory aftermath that will bring to light the sequence that was taken through the course of these very difficult days and hours. And the captains responsibility certainly cannot be met when hes among the first that jumps into the lifeboat and floating safely away while his ship is sinking. Mr. Loy, im curious, my final question to you, reading more about maritime law when it comes to accidents at sea, correct me if im wrong, but there is no universal maritime law, south korea can do their thing, italy can do another, the United States can do another. Do you think that these laws or protocols, et cetera, should be ubiquitous . Ubiquitous is a good goal. Thats what the safety of life at sea is convention. Which in fact is international in scope. All the members that are all the member countries to the International Maritime organization, which is a subset of the united nations, do sign up for dealing with these things constructively when they occur. But again, i go back to the point where you prevent them from happening by focusing on competence and capability within your crew, and you also practice and train and exercise for these kind of eventualities, so when they do occur, youre able to prosecute your responsibilities according to both traditions of life at sea and, of course, the safety at sea, international law. Rhetoric is one thing, behavior is another. Retired admiral james loy, thank you so much. I encourage all of you to check out his opinion piece on cnn. Com, its called a captain faces a private hell in sea disaster. Thank you so much, sir. Every year people pay tens of thousands of dollars to climb Mount Everest. Maybe its on your bucket list. Id love to go to nepal. But this year, the sherpas are furious, and those trips are all potentially in jeopardy. Well explain what that means for Summiting Mount everest. And later, when a ship capsizes, as we were just discussing, sometimes its every man, woman and child for himself. Youll hear a stunning story from a woman who survived the Costa Concordia wreck. She said her family almost died six times. Do not miss her story, the top of the next hour. What if a photo were more than a memory . What if it were more than something to share . What if a photo could build that shelf youve always wanted . Or fix a leaky faucet . Or even give you your saturday back . The new snapfix app revolutionizes local service. Just snap a photo and angies list coordinates a toprated provider to do the work on your schedule. The app makes it easy. The power of angies list makes it work. Download snapfix for free. Im taking off, but, uh, dont worry. Im gonna leave the tv on for you. And if anything happens, dont forget about the new xfinity my account app. You can troubleshoot technical issues here. If you make an appointment, you can check out the status here. 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I believe that this is going to have great effect on the families. Theyve lost their bread winners, their husbands, their fathers, their sons. And its going to have very serious effect in the community as well as in the families. Great loss for everyone. Reporter just days away from the start of the busiest climbing season, u. S. Based Alpine International who lost five sherpas in the accident has canceled its expedition. The Discovery Channel planned a live broadcast at the first winged jumpsuit flight off everest. Thats also canceled. Now, its unclear if anyone will scale the worlds highest peak this year. Some sherpas are calling for the mountain to be closed in respect for the dead. Others are threatening a boycott to protest poor pay. Translator at the moment, the view of all sherpas is we should mourn for everest. Some climbers will be too afraid to continue their ascents. Translator some are of the opinion we should return to work. Others will feel compelled to return, mainly for the money, because they dont have any other employment. Reporter sherpa guides can make up to 6,000 a year. While nepals government stands to make about 3 million in royalties if and when climbing resumes. Those who want to make the ascent now have to decide if the risk is worth the reward. Now, before today, many of the sherpas had been in talks with nepals government. They also want a welfare fund for sherpas who are hurt or killed climbing. Theyre also asking that the government enact a law that would keep them safer on the mountain. The government had agreed to some of their demands. Theres no official word that it appears the sherpas are abandoning those talks at this point. Now the more than 300 foreign climbers who planned to climb everest in the coming weeks, they may be out of luck. Lets talk about the sherpas specifically. One of those points is, of course, about pay. How much do sherpas make now, what are they asking for . Brooke, keep in mind, this is an extremely strenuous job. Theyre going before the foreign climbers, laying out the path for them. Its also very dangerous. Theyre risking their lives every day. The sherpa guides make up to 6,000 per season, which runs from april to about june. That sounds like a lot when you compare it to the average citizen in nepal who makes about 700 a year. Compare the in understand to what the government is making in royalties, about 3 million a season. It doesnt sound like very much. And we should also keep in mind for a lot of these sherpas, they are the sole bread winners. Its not just about money, but also about their safety. I know some of these really experienced hikers who have been up with the sherpas, they say that a lot of that money doesnt actually go back to the mountain. Thank you so much. Sure. Well stay on this story. What if the sherpas stand firm and they go on strike, and people cant climb, and summit everest this season. 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Citracal maximum. Calcium citrate plus d. Essential if youre planning to climb Mount Everest, that the sherpa guides carry gear, cook food, pave the way up to the peak, make sure its safe before you even make this trek. After last weeks deadly avalanc avalanche, they are threatening to strike. On the phone from lar my wyoming, mark jenkins, a contributing writer to National Geographic and been on dozens of climbing expeditions around the world. Youve been to everest twice, summited it once. Thank you for calling in. I read your piece in National Geographic today, and how the sherpas are already having Immediate Repercussions on the business of climbing the worlds highest peaks. What are the repercussions already . Well, the sherpas have presented a 13point kind of manifesto to the ministry of tourism in nepal. Thats the ministry that actually organizes and executes everything that happens around the everest region. The 13 points included more compensation if someone dies on an everest expedition. It also included more money if somebodys injured and also more compensation if someones disabled permanently. The nepali government has responded quite quickly, to their credit. They didnt give the sherpa manifesto everything that was asked for. But they did increase the pay benefit from 10,000 to 15,000 for those who die. They agreed to build a memorial for these recent deaths. They agreed to raise the medical insurance for those people who are injured but cant return to work. Whats your sense . There was a piece, john crocker wrote this piece in the new yorker where the sherpas are really the heart of the mountain, and theyve not really been respected financially. And now youre mentioning sort of the responses of the 13point, you know, manifesto and plan. Do you think that the strike will happen now . I think were going to see that choice made by individual sherpas. I dont think theres a lot of pressure for people to leave, nor is there a lot of pressure for people to stay at base camp. Some of these sherpas, they want to work. Its not as if theyre dragooned onto the mountain. Typically sherpa makes about 5,000 or 6,000 in two months. Its very dangerous work. Its very difficult work. Although the average income in nepal is about 700 a year. So in their own economy, theyre well paid. But they also take enormous risks. I think what youll see on everest is some of them will decide, this isnt worth it. My friends have died recently, perhaps some of them lost Family Members. Its a very closeknit community in the sherpa region. Some of them will say, no, ive got to stay here because i want to make the money. What about, too, this point so the issue with the sherpas, i would love your perspective on this conrad anchor that you quoted in your piece last week. Threetime everest summiteer. He described it to you, bloated dysfunctional bureaucracy. He said that less than 1 of the 3 million in permit fees collected each year go back to the mountain. Is that true . I think conrad knows what hes talking about. He spent a lot of time in the himalayas. Hes running the kimbut climbing school, which is trying to train sherpas so theyre better prepared to lead and guide on everest. I dont know if we know the exact number. But every mountain climber who wants to attempt everest from the nepal side pays the government 10,000. Thats a peak fee. If youve got 300 climbers, youve got 3 million. But very little of this can you see an evidence at base camp or up higher on the mountain. Its hard to see where that money paid to the government actually goes. Not enough of it goes back to compensating sherpas families, if one of the climbers has died. And certainly not enough goes back to sustaining the environment around everest. Mark jenkins, shedding light writing for National Geographic on the issues plaguing this beautiful mountain. Mark, thank you so much for calling in. And not many people know, moving on, not many people know the passengers experiencing this terror onboard this south korean ferry. Ahead, though, hear from a woman who knows all too well. She barely survived that wreck on the Costa Concordia. And when she hears about the ferry, she is furious. Her personal story here of surviv survival, ahead. I dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. I love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angies list for bringing us together. Find out why more than two million members count on angies list. Angies list reviews you can trust. Add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get 100 off for every year of safe driving. We put members first. Join the nation. Nationwide is on your side authorities in yemen are today beginning to acknowledge they may have a huge prize after reaching operations against al qaeda. They are now as we were initially reporting yesterday carrying out those dna tests to determine if this man is among the dead from that drone strike. His name, ibrahim squr, the bombmaker possibly responsible for making those underwear bombs. Remember those used in detroit in 2009 on that plane, among other bombs . Joining me now, we know this man has been in hiding for quite a while. This would be huge if they got him. Yeah, no two ways about it, brooke. It would be absolutely massive. Ibrahim is perhaps the most wanted man in yemen. The most highvalue target in that country. Which is full of highvalue aqap targets. You look at the list of plots that have been hatched in yemen the past few years that have had such an impact in the region and around the world. Like you mentioned, the underwear bombing plot, or the cartridge bomb plot, or even the plot to assassinate the interior minister of saudi arabia. All of those plots have ibrahims fingerprints all over them. If he were to have been killed, that would be huge for yemens government, for americas counterterrorism efforts. That all being said, though, even though yemeni officials im speaking with today are more confident and questioning publicly that perhaps they did get him, its still going to take some time to really make sure that these dna tests are thorough, and that this is the guy. What we know now is that there was a fire fight that ensued a couple of nights ago and that they got some militants. Some of them are saudi. They believe they were high targets. They believe perhaps theyve got him and now theyre trying to confirm it for re. Mohammed, thank you. Top of the hour, hour two, im Brooke Baldwin. We begin with this. A potential massive break for the search teams off the coast of south korea, the site of the capsized ferry. Rescue divers have now finally entered the ferrys cafeteria. And this big news simply because they believe many of the passengers were eating breakfast at the time the ship began to list. The bittersweet, the tragedy is the fact that the possibility of survivors is growing increasingly grim. Investigators believe this is where a lot of those remember, a lot of High School Students and teachers were when the ferry started to tip over. Also new today, we know that the criminal investigation is growing. Two more arrests here in this case. So that brings the total number of crew members detained to nine, including the captain. Four of them appearing in court today. The man in the middle of your screen, face covered, hat town. Many of them not wanting to show their faces. Theyre accused of causing death due to abandonment. And tomorrow, i can tell you this, that the Students High School will be holding a memorial for the victims. The latest numbers we have now, 121 bodies have been found. 181 are still missing. Joining me by phone from jindo, south korea, is our correspondent there on the ground, will ripley. So, will, now that we know the divers have finally gotten into this cafeteria section of this boat, what happens next . Reporter well, sadly, brooke, were afraid what will be happening next is what were watching right now. I want to roll for you some video we just sent in a few minutes ago. These are coast guard ships that were seeing come back to shore. We saw at least two bodies wrapped in white cloths, loaded onto ambulances, which then turned their lights on but stayed silent as they drove slowly through the tents where the bodies are identified. Theres a man who speaks into a microphone and describes the gender, what the persons wearing. He gives as detailed a description as possible to families, which still at 4 00 in the morning here at jindo, are anxiously awaiting for word if their loved ones are among those who are being brought back. So its just really a heartbreaking scene unfolding here, one that we expect will be repeated in the coming hours and days, now that the divers are in the cafeteria where there were so many young people have breakfast, as you said. As the death toll then will likely continue to rise, we also are learning, will, about the phone calls, the distress call made from the ferry, initially not coming from the captain, correct, but from one of the students . Reporter a young boy described by the government, telling us that the first call came at 8 52 a. M. A boy whose voice sounded very shaken, saying something has happened on the ferry. We think its sinking. There were actually 20 calls made by students, frightened students on that ferry. The first call, the time 8 52 a. M. Is three full minutes before the call from the ferrys crew. Why the delay, why were students able to call from their phones minutes before there was actually an official call made that there was trouble on this ferry. Brooke, i have to say, im looking out over at the search area right now, every few minutes they fire up these flares to illuminate the area. There are hundreds of divers out there that have been working tirelessly around the clock, going down to the area, risking their lives in dangerous conditions searching for survivors. To sit here and look out there, and see those flares, and know what is happening, after having been out there myself, its a quiet grief. Its a feeling that we can feel here as observers, and certainly that these families are feeling here right now. Beyond gutwrenching. Will, thank you so much. Keep pressing for answers. And when hearing about this ferry tragedy, another maritime disaster immediately comes to mind, 32 lives lost when the Costa Concordia cruiseliner crashed into a reef off the coast of italy. This was back in january of 2012. Witnesses said the captain jumped into a lifeboat to get away, to safety, even though hundreds of passengers were still onboard the cruise. Francesco is right now on trial for charges of manslaughter. He still maintains he did nothing wrong. Joining me now from los angeles, georgia and her family survived that Costa Concordia disaster. She has also written, cowritten this book s. O. S. spirit of survival. Georgia, welcome. Thank you. I would like to just begin, i know that you your heart aches. I read that your heart absolutely aches. All of our hearts, of course, ache for the families with loved ones on that ferry. You are angry as well. Tell me why. Im angry, because this is what happened when on the Costa Concordia, when this happened, i was hoping the world would stand up and we would make changes so that Something Like this would never happen again. We have been fighting for that for two years. We have been working hard. But people around the world need to take a look at this. This is what we didnt want to happen. This should never have happened in korea. Should never have happened on the Costa Concordia, but it did, and we didnt learn from our mistakes. We have to make change. Just to your personal story, it was night number one of what was supposed to be this month long vacation for your family. You feel this i dont know if you said it was a thud, or something larger than that. But describe the immediate your word was pandemonium. Absolutely. The first minute that it happened, everything just started to shake like a mini earthquake. And then all of a sudden people just started screaming, and things started falling from the it was a twostory dining area, so everything from the top was falling below to everything. People were trampling each other. That was in the first minute and a half of the disaster. How do you know where to go . How do you know where to crawl . I imagine its dark. Youre avoiding, as you mentioned, things falling from the ceiling, and falling glass . How do you you know what, the minutebyminute project, for us it was five and a half hours of that, and we just we had a lot of experience being on cruise ships. So we were able to try to think together. We stayed as a group. There were four of us in the family. We stayed together as a group. We made decisions just splitsecond decisions. You had splitsecond decisions in the final part of our journey where we had to jump into a moving lifeboat. We said, we can stay on this ship, sink with the ship, or we can jump for our lives. We jumped 20 feet into a moving lifeboat. You do what you think you can never do in life. Describe that moment when you decide to jump. It was because it was four of us, my one daughter went first. And when she jumped, she landed on the roof. To watch your own daughter try to leap for her life is just treacherous as a mom. And then i was next. And i ended up on the top of the lifeboat. How i got there, i dont even understand. You do what you have to do to survive. I feel so badly for the children that were there. Because im an educator, a former principal, and to see that the kids went on a field trip and they didnt have the knowledge you had. They were told, again, like the Costa Concordia, they were told, they were given false information, and that could have prevented them from surviving. We have heard that the speaker system from that ferry saying, dont move. And many of them didnt defy that, and they didnt move, and many of them are now being found with life vests on. And they chose to not move and follow direction. We also know about a lot of Text Messages back and forth from these young people, a lot of them only children, to parents are who are clearly grieving now. Messages from students saying, i love you. Messages from students accepting the inevitable. At one point you accepted your own death. Yes. We absolutely did. We knew it. My husband was a former vietnam veteran in the navy. And he turned to us, and finally he said to us, this is it. Its over for us. And at that point, we just started praying, and crying. We said our goodbyes to people at home, even tried our cell phones. There are so many similarities in what happened on that ferry, and what happened on the Costa Concordia. We tried desperately to use our cell phones. But other passengers actually notified the coast guard before the captain and the bridge notified them. On the Costa Concordia. People were told, go back to your cabin. The worst thing they could do. They knew tons of water was coming in on this vessel. Yet they told them to go back. Those people died. We have not learned. Thats what i want to get back to. My final question to you, in terms of mistakes made, in terms of the lack of changes, in terms of maritime law, and what youre fighting for. What is change number one in your opinion . First of all, weve got to hire competent people on these vessels. There has to be crosstraining. There has to be more regulatory a Regulatory Agency around the world for these vessels. Everybody has different laws and different rules, and we need competent people, we need a Regulatory Agency that can monitor that, we need to put passengers safety at the forefront. And we need to do it now. Its already too late. Weve lost too many people. Sounds like common sense. Apparently its not. Georgia, thank you so much. Your book s. O. S. , thank you. Thank you. The 47th day, the bluefin underwater drone has fewer than 15 of the search area left to survey. What if when its finished it brings up nothing . We will tell you whats next according to the Research Leaders today. Also ahead, that teenager, 15 years old, hid in the wheel well on that plane from hawaii from california to hawaii. Hes safe. What happens to him longterm, though . The fact of losing consciousness, brain issues, organs. Get all your favorites all day, everyday. Olive gardens signature favorites, just 10 including creamy fettuccine alfredo, and our classic lasagna. Plus unlimited soup or salad and warm breadsticks. Signature favorites, just 10 all week long, at olive garden. Welcome back. Im Brooke Baldwin here. Time is running out in the search to find this missing flight 370. You have the cyclone barreling down in the indian ocean. And then the bluefin21 hours away from completing its weeklong scan of the narrow search zone. If the u. S. Navys underwater drone comes up empty in the final mission, where do they go from here . Well, australia is hammering out the details of a plan, a framework first put forward by malaysia. Cnn has just learned some of the details of that. Joining me with the said details, live from perth, 3 14 your time, miguel. Talk to me about the plan. Its early, we appreciate you. The three areas of focus set to be finalized next week. Talk me through those. Reporter yeah, look, two things are happening at the same time. One, theyre making plans if that search does not turn up anything this week. Theyre also still believing theyre in the right area, that they will find something eventually, looking forward to the possibility that there will be the debris of the plane and the remains. The malaysians have put forward a plan that the australians are now considering. All the entities taking part will have to consider it at some point, regarding how the debris will be treated, how it will be mapped, where it will go, where it will be processed. Same thing for the remains. Those are the victims that they can bring up eventually from flight 370, where those will be processed and identified and how they will be handled. I can tell you weve talked to several of the almost every forensic pathologist across the country in recent days, and all of them believe that they will be at some point involved in the identification and the processing of those remains. The other piece of this is something the u. S. Navy is also talking about, which is, if bluefin21 does not come up with anything this week, in this most promised area, where the strongest ping was heard back on april 8th, then they will have to go to a wider plan. They will probably reset the search. They will look either for a different area to search for the bluefin or go to different technologies, whether its a towed locator that will take a Bigger Picture of the ocean floor, or in the case of flight 447, the airfrance flight that went down over the atlantic, they have simultaneous and multiple autonomous underwater vehicles trying to locate this plane. Sounds like pretty soon we should know whether any of this changes as far as expanding the search, throwing more resources at this, et cetera. We watch and we wait. Miguel marquez in australia, thank you. And barely enough oxygen to breathe. And cold, that would leave you frozen. How could someone survive that for hours and hours after smuggling themselves into the wheel well of a plane . Well ask. And Malaysia Airlines could face a wave of lawsuits over the disappearance of flight 370. But the partner of one passenger has a personal message for the government. One you have to hear. At farmers, we make you smarter about auto insurance, because the more you know, the more we can help you. Cut. Lower. Shave. Chop. And drop your insurance rates. If you want to save hundreds, talk to farmers. We are farmers bum pa dum, bum bum bum bum [announcer] the more you know, the more you could save. Farmers could help you save hundreds on your auto insurance. Call your local agent or 18004708496 today. Heres what we now know. No criminal charges for the teenager, all experts agree shouldnt be alive. The 15yearold boy sneaking into the wheel well of a flight that flew 2,300 miles from san jose, california, to maui. He defied death and the odds and security at the mineta san jose airport. The stowaway had plenty of time to find his hiding place. A federal official tells us he jumped the airport fence at 1 00 sunday morning. The jet didnt even take off until seven hours later. Reportedly the stowaway went for the first plane he saw. Gary tuchman shows us what climbing into the landing gear of the boeing 767 really looks like. Gary . Reporter this is Southern California aviation airport in victorville, california, in the desert, where airlines all over the world bring their planes theyre not using anymore. Were going to demonstrate to you how someone would get in a wheel well of an aircraft. This is a boeing 767. This is the door that is closed. But there is a way to sneak in a hole to get into the wheel well. Well show you how the process would start according to experts here. You would get on one of the two tires. Step on the bars right here. Climb all the way to the top right here. And this right here is where an opening would be to climb into the landing gear wheel well. Once they climb through that hole, they would end up here. Im going to show you what happens after they climb through the hole. They get in this area. This is the wheel well area. And were told theres only one place to sit, where you could possibly survive, because when the wheels move in, the two huge wheels, theres no room except for right here in this spot. And this is where they say you would have to sit with your knees close to you. The wheel well would close. This is the only place you could possibly survive. Theres nothing stupider in the world to do, but this is where you can do it. Are you kidding me . Let me pick my jaw off the floor after that, gary tuchman. Thank you for that. He did this for how many hours . This stowaway, this 15yearold basically had no room to move, no oxygen to breathe, no buffer from the subzero temperatures at 38,000 feet in the air. And yet, we are told, Surveillance Video shows this 15yearold emerging from the wheel well weak, but on his own two feet. He was weak. He hung from the wheel well, and then he fell to the ground and regained some strength and stood up and started walking to the front of the aircraft. Okay. Dr. Peter, executive director of the institute for altitude medicine is on the phone with me now. That hit home. Seeing our correspondent trying to climb into a wheel well, heres my first question to you. I know the surveillance exists of this kid hopping the fence, some 105 known cases of people stowing away. 25 survive. What is your, for lack of a better phrase, your spiny sense tell you about this . Do you believe this happened . Well, it seems to be well documented. So if we assume it did happen, the only way that he could have survived is if there was a drop in his temperature, his core temperature, blood temperature, so that his brain cooled enough that he could tolerate those extremely low oxygen levels. So im clear, i mean, he was exposed to all of the elements for this whole flight, from san jose to hawaii. Yes. He was exposed to extremely low oxygen levels, because the wheel well isnt pressurized like the cabin is. And there may have been some heat being transferred through the aluminum from the cargo hold into the wheel well, so that it wasnt quite as frigid as the outside air temperature. But there would not have been any air, pressurized air transferred across there, of course. So he definitely suffered lack of oxygen, which undoubtedly caused him to go unconscious fairly quickly. And then the only way he could have survived that is if he cooled quickly, and therefore, his brain didnt need as much oxygen. Hmm. We heard, yes, he was weak, but he was walking on his own two feet. He appears to be okay. Im wondering long term, what about the invisible issues . What about his organs . What about longterm brain damage . Possibility, or no . Yes, its a possibility. Youre exactly right, its the brain that is the organ to be concerned about. And he may have come away unscathed, like some people with coldwater drowning or climbers on everest without oxygen. He may have come away unscathed, but he may have suffered minor brain damage as well. But only time will tell. Final question, if you had this kid in front of you, what would be your question to him . I would ask him if he ever thought hed like to do that again. Lets hope not. Dr. Peter hackett, thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate it. It is absolutely stunning this young man has survived. Coming up, could the captain of the south korean ferry actually face murder charges . Well talk to an expert of maritime law. What kind of charges the captain and crew could ultimately face after this tragedy. music defiance is in our bones. Defiance never grows old. Citracal maximum. Calcium citrate plus d. Highly soluble, easily absorbed. Bottom of the hour. With talk about the rescue mission for the capsized ferry in the frigid waters of the yellow sea, it is now honing in on the ships cafeteria. That is where the rescue divers believe many of the passengers were gathered when that ferry started to sink. The death toll stands at 121. It is expected to dramatically rise. Here is cnns Nic Robertson reporting from jindo, south korea. Reporter more bodies, more solemn sad processions to waiting ambulances. The pace of police boats bringing ashore the grim cost of this tragedy is picking up. Many of the victims wearing life vests. For just a few families, the arrival of each boat brings the waiting closer to an end. For so many more, the uncertainty continues. The company which operated the ferry posted a public apology on their website saying, in part, we frustrate ourselves before the victims families. We apologize to the people grieving for the loss of their loved ones. The search for survivors in these waters is dangerous. Divers must first swim down over 100 feet, following guide ropes to reach the ship. Aboard the vessel, low visibility and debris make it nearly impossible to navigate. Rescuers focus their search on the third and fourth levels inside lounge and cabin areas, where they believe many of the students are located. So far, nine crew members in all have been arrested, including these four who appeared in court on tuesday. Outside the court, answering questions about the sinking. One crew member saying, after the ship began to list, they were trying to stabilize it and stop it capsizing. Another says the captain issued a distress signal, then tried to deploy the lifeboats. But they couldnt reach them. The captain, who has defended his actions, faces possible life in prison if convicted of the charges against him. Nic robertson, cnn, jindo, south korea. Nic was talking about the crew. You have the family of the victims, many parents of those Young High School students, absolutely in anguish, as they face a long road ahead when it comes to compensation for their loss. Hundreds of families lives are now forever changed. What about the legal route here . Maritime attorney jack hickey joins me from miami. Jack represents 20 passengers onboard the Costa Concordia cruiseline when that crashed off of italy in 2012. Jack, how does one determine liability in this disaster specifically off south korea . The captain, crew, Ferry Company . Well, you know, as far as civil liability, yes, the Ferry Company. But as far as criminal liability against this captain, thats really under the korean law. International law doesnt really provide a very specific prohibition on the captain getting off the vessel before the vessel goes down, or before all the other passengers. But, you know, the captain is the master of the vessel. Hes master, and in charge of the safety of every single passenger onboard. How can you administer your duties as master of all the safety of everybody, without being there. You have to be there. Whats interesting is, in the korean system, the legal system in korea, it is a civil law system different from ours. They have judges making almost all the decisions, not juries. But in certain criminal cases, since 2008, they have actually had advisory juries on certain criminal matters. It will be interesting to see whether theres an advisory jury on the criminal case against the captain in this situation. Did you think in a situation like this, we know whats happening with the Costa Concordia, that captain is on trial and could face prison for the rest of his life. But in this case, could this take the litigious route, or might we see a settlement . Well, you know, the criminal case, because, frankly, theres been so much media attention, if i had to guess on the criminal side, theyre going to be pretty harsh. Its not going to be a situation, if we had to guess, i dont think its going to be a situation where theres going to be a quick plea on that side. If it were a plea, it would be certainly only if the captain agreed to a very stiff sentence. Thats criminally. Civilly, it is, again, its a different system from ours. And i think its pretty clear, given the circumstances here, and the lack of connection with the United States, for example, that the litigation is going to stay in korea. And under this civil law system, there are schedules for compensation. And it will take some time. But the compensation just you know, it depends on the formulas in the schedules. I want to go back to a word you used at the top of that answer, harsh. South koreas president likened the actions of the captain and crew to murder. When you talk about criminality in this type of case. Do you think murder, manslaughter charges could be likely in this scenario . Well, you know, when you talk about murder, when you talk about taking somebodys life, you do talk about, you know, first degree, second degree, manslaughter and down from there. This certainly could rise to a situation of manslaughter, which is really the definition of that is not that he had premeditated intent to do bad things to people, to actually kill people, but that his actions were so grossly negligent, that he had to have foreseen that bad things, and in fact death, would have come to people. And this may be a case like that. And when manslaughter is appropriate, and i say that, because here we have a string of failures. Not just one thing, but a string of failures, starting with the fact that they veered off course, being three hours late were the initial reports. Secondly, that third mate at the helm. The latest reports were that the vessel may be may have been in a tricky area navigationally. Thats right. We dont know deaf natally. Nine people detained as we were hearing from the reporter in jindo on the ground. The bodies wrapped in white sheets coming back to land. Jack hickey, lets leave it there. Maritime trial attorney, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Now to this. Could affirmative action be a thing of the past . Our legal expert says Todays Supreme Court ruling was very bad, if you support those policies. And later, likely never forgiving malaysia for their loved ones. Soon theyll have a way to take out their frustration and anger on the airline. Vo davids heart attack didnt come with a warning. 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Jeff toobin, i know that youre saying here that for in anyone who supports affirmative action, this is a bad decision. Tell me why. Well, this is really a case about who decides whether there should be affirmative action. What the justices said in their opinion today is, the states can decide essentially any way they want. If the voters decide, as they did in michigan, that they dont want affirmative action anymore at their state university, they can do that, presumably state legislatures can do the same thing. So what this suggests is that opponents of affirmative action can go state by state, by voter referendum, by state legislature vote, and say, look, we dont want it anymore. And the universities themselves have no say. It can be up to the states and they can exclude it. Thats what happens in michigan. Now. And it could happen elsewhere as well. Its up to the states. Its always interesting to look at the breakdown here. Because we know Justice Breyer usually votes more on the liberal side. But sided with conservatives this time. Why do you think . Well, he wrote a separate opinion. He basically said, look, we have said, we the Supreme Court have said that affirmative action is permissible. Universities can consider race as one factor among many. But we have not said that they have to do that. Its up to them. Its up to the university. And in turn, its up to the state where the university is to decide whether they want to engage in affirmative action. So he was not saying affirmative action was a bad thing, he was simply saying, look, states can take it or not. Michigan decided not. And other states presumably, given the way the polls show, other states may well do the same thing. Michigans a pretty liberal state. Thats what i was wondering. Well, 58 of the voters in michigan said, no affirmative action. That, i think, suggests that the antiaffirmative action side, at least, has the public on its side at the moment. Jeff toobin, thank you so much. We appreciate it. All right. The u. S. Is adding to military exercises in eastern europe. And it is certainly no coincidence its going on the same time as the unrest in ukraine. Here is the press secretary at the pentagon. They know each other. This isnt the first time that 173rd has done exercises with these countries. Theres a relationship there. But yes, these exercises were conceived and added on to the exercise regimen as a result of whats going on in ukraine. Washington sending a message to moscow. Another message delivered this week, Vice President joe biden visiting kiev at the same time a congressional delegation. So to washington we go. Jake tapper, i know coming up on your show, youre talking to a congressman who is in ukraine, part of this delegation. Thats right. We interviewed the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs committee, congressman ed royce in california yesterday. They met with Vice President joe biden of the he recently tweeted hes hoping for a unified and democratic ukraine, unified presumably means he wants crimea returned to the ukraine. So well press him on how exactly he thinks that will come about. A lot of criticism from republican quarters for the Obama Administration for not adding lethal aid to this 50 million package for ukraine. We asked ben rhodes about that yesterday at the white house, and he said he doesnt think it would make a difference right now because russia has a bigger military than ukraine, even if they had the additional weapons. Well stay tuned for that. What else do you have coming up on the show . We have live reports from all over the world. We have south korea, we have washington state, president obama will be touching down there, meeting with families from that Natural Disaster in oso, washington. Also well be looking into the plane, and also a special earth day trip to the south pole that i know youre going to want to watch. The images are spectacular. We did this interview a while ago. Not at the south pole . I was here. The person we were interviewing was in the south pole. There was literally a 30second delay. Oh, my goodness. Weve edited that down. I dont know if youve tried to do an interview in the south pole. Theres a little bit of a delay. Pause, pause, pause. Great seeing you in boston yesterday. Thank you so much. Well see him at the top of the hour for the lead. Lawyers have had to stay away from families who lost loved ones on flight 370. One Family Member has a message for any attorney who hopes to get in touch with her, after this tragedy. Her message is next. In pursuit of all things awesome, amazing, and thats epic, bro, weve forgotten just how good good is. Good is setting a personal best before going for a world record. 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Were up to almost 200 total Family Members combined together between the chinese families, malaysian families and families from other countries, such as australia and india and, of course, the United States. And were going to put a lot more political pressure to redecember data for thirdparty assessments and now they are trying to put our Family Members in coffins again. Theres not the slightest bit of evidence that this flight has even crashed. Theres no wreckage. Theres no sightings. Theres nothing at all that is deemed to the actual fact. Its only conjecture at this point. Well keep going back to wanting to start the investigation. What they are doing now, searching in the ocean, is like continuing to trying to bail out a boat when the hole in the boat hasnt been found yet. They are just treating a symptom. They are not going back to the cause. Its absolutely astounding to me that they havent been willing to release that data. Now, the general perception within the family group, nobody is interested in compensation lawsuits and were really quite tired of attorneys hassling us. Thats got to stop. But we really do need advice in how to pressure Malaysian Airlines to open up what should be exposed information in a criminal investigation. Now, we know that the malaysian government plans to issue death certificates for passengers but sarah bajac there says neither she nor Philips Family has been contacted about it at all. And information coming in to us from australia, as officials are working out what the next steps of this investigation will be here, the search for the plane and beyond, the planned focus is on the key three areas. First you have the handling of debris if and when they find it, who gets it, where will the debris from this wreckage remain, who handles it. 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If you love watching house of cards and other shows on netflix, you have to listen to this. Netflixs prices are about to go up. They are going to raise monthly subscriptions. Heres the catch. The price hike will only affect new customers. Zain asher is live at the new york stock exchange. Zain asher, how much more money are we talking . Were only talking 1 to 2. This is for new customers for the time being only. But its the first price increase netflix has shown us since 2011. They want to use this new money to invest in original shows like orange is the new black and house of cards. I have not seen a single episode. What . I know. And by the way, even though its only 1 to 2, when you consider the fact that they have 48 million subscribers worldwide, that certainly does add up. But for existing customers, you pay about 8 a month now. Thats likely to continue for the time being. But he will continue that price level for a generous period of time but it does, of course, open the door for possible price increases for existing customers in the near future. Brooke . Okay. So if they want this extra money, they want to invest in new shows and thats fully understandable, but didnt netflix report some huge jump in profit . How much more cash are they looking for . The reason they are doing the price increase now is, quite simply, because they can. They are coming from this huge position of strength. They did report earnings yesterday. They beat on profit. So they reported 50 million in profit. You compare that to this time last year, they only reported 3 million. Last year their stock price rose 270 , brooke, as well. But also, theyve tested out price increases before. So they tested it out in ireland. They increased prices by 1 euro and it didnt have that much of a huge fallout so they probably will be able to get away with this price increase. By the way, netflix stock today rising 6 . It does need a larger amount of revenue. Since i have you with 20 minutes to spare, tell me how the markets are doing today. Right. Its the sixth straight day of gains on the s p 500. Its really about earnings, brooke. I mentioned to you netflix but also compact as well. By the way, if you look at the companies that reported earnings, almost 70 of the companies that have reported have beaten expectations, partly because the forecast is all about earnings today. Brooke . Zain asher for us and there it goes, on queue, the closing bell. Im Brooke Baldwin. Thanks so much for being with me. Ill be back here at the same time, same place tomorrow. The lead with jake tapper starts now. You will not walk this road alone, Vice President biden tries to assure the ukrainians. Do they buy it . Does putin . Im jake tapper. This is the lead. He was speaking to the ukrainians but the Vice President comes bearing a 50 million gift for ukraine but republicans want to know, why are weapons not part of the offer . Also in world news, a desperate and initial call for help but not apparently from the crew of the south korean sinking ferry. Cnn now confirming that a boy was thinking quicker than those at the helm as the