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that was george bush in 2006, defending his nsa surveillance program. and i would argue that it should not come as a surprise that the president while he says he's putting in new safeguards, et cetera, has continued that program in its -- in the larger sense, because he voted to continue the law authorizing it. he broke with hillary clinton in his fierce defense of it in 2008. and he's been an aggressive defender of these kinds of programs during his time in office. he did make clear, i'll say, brooke, that congress has oversight of this, and the courts do, but we should point out that the details of this are only shared in classified settings in a way where the public cannot find out about them. so it is a very small set of people who have known about it until now. >> yeah, mentioning congressional oversight a number of times when he spoke today and the federal judges and the audit process. you know and i know, our viewers know these go back -- >> reporter: classified settings. >> yes, seven years. jessica yellin, thank you very much. this is the second surveillance program that is now coming to light. two respected papers, "the washington post," london's "guardian," they say the nsa and fbi are acquiring personal data of nonamericans, via nonleading internet firms. see them here on your screen. so now we know. it is not just phone records which we talked about yesterday in depth, but also photographs. and e-mails. although, let me stress again, the government says it does not access americans' online data, just that of nonamericans suspected, you know, bad guys, a big point to remember here. remarkable here is how well intentioned and thoughtful individuals are seeing this matter in dramatically different ways. with us now from new york, noted several rights attorney alan dershowitz. from dallas, ben ferguson, host of ben ferguson radio show. you were with us yesterday, back for day two. let me defer to alan dershowitz, good professor on this one. alan, this is my first question. we asked you on piers morgan last night. and one thing you said that struck me was we need to take a deep breath before we overreact. we don't know what's going on here. isn't that part of the problem, professor, we don't know what's going on? we don't know what we don't know, to quote you, and we think we know what's happening, but that may really jus be the tip of the iceberg? you with me? >> yes. it is democracy. you have to know what you don't know. and sometimes we're prepared to give up our ability to know something in order to keep secrets from our enemies. remember today, anything we know they know. the great tragedy is that the story was broken by a man named glen greenwalt from the guardian. he's an american barbshbasher. he hates america. he says a little terrorism is not a bad thing. it is like being struck by lightning. he doesn't even approve of the use of the word terrorism. he says terrorism is an excuse for allowing america and america's allies to use our own state terrorism. he's the worst possible person to begin this debate. we need nuance, we need calibration. we need, as the president correctly said, to be willing to compromise with some privacy, and some convenience, as long as we have oversight, as long as it doesn't go too far, as long as we limit it to gathering general information and when we get particularized information we need to have a warrant. we need to reduce the secrecy that our courts operate under, but let's not let glen greenwalt and his -- the entire american group push us into a paranoia. this is not watergate. he makes it sound like the president is doing this in order to get political information. >> ben ferguson is laughing. ben, jump in. >> this is a classic example of attack the person who gave us legitimate information, make him into a terrorist-loving un-american human being and then just discredit who he is as a person when the reality is what he reported on is factually correct and accurate. you didn't say that anything he reported on was factually correct or accurate. >> a lot of it is inaccurate. >> let me say this, though. you look at what has come forward on this, as a american citizen, do i have the right to not have to worry about search and seizure of information that i am using whether it be the internet, e-mail, or my phone records, without probable cause from the government? the last i checked, the constitution says that i have and every american should have a legitimate right to not have to worry about the government coming in and data mining my entire existence that has now been reported to the american people. and that's why people have a problem with it, because this is outside the scope of terrorists, terror suspects, those talking to terrorists. that's why people are reacting. >> let me jump in. let me jump in. >> ben, this is also to you, you're a conservative, you come on the show as a conservative. let me read something from the editorial page of the wall street journal, known to be quite conservative. data mining is less intrusive on individuals than routine airport security. let me stress. they say less intrusive than routine airport security. the data sweep is worth it if it prevents terror attacks that would lead politicians to endorse far greater harm than civil liberties. ben fist, go ahead. >> i have a right at the airport to not ever fly if i don't want to have the government look at my stuff, go through my bag or make me walk through a metal detector. i have the ability to opt out of that by choosing not to fly. what the government is dealing with, the data mining today, you and i, no one watching now has the right to opt out of it in the words of the government and what they're doing. that is two totally different scenarios that the wall street journal should have pointed out that you can choose to just get in your car and drive from point a to point b. >> let me express the view we heard from the president today, in california. again saying it is phone numbers when it comes to the phone calls. it is not the constant conversations. it is not u.s. residents and u.s. citizens, it is folks abroad and it is metadata, which we'll get into the technical stuff later in the show. but the fine line, alan dershowitz, jump in. >> you're hearing a lot of lies about what is going on. a lot of lies. we heard lies last night from greenwalt. he says we're not targeting terrorism. he says this is because we want to get political information against political opponents. it is just not the case. for 50 years we had data mining. right now it has been permitted under the law without a search warrant to find out if you send letters, who the letters are going to, who the letters are going from. almost all of the information is available to companies. these are serious issues that ought to be debated. but they should not be overstated. there is a paranoid streak in american life, radio talk show hosts tend to foment that in american life. >> hang on. let the professor finish. >> you have to let me finish. let's find the facts. let's not overstate the facts. then let's have -- >> you said that. >> -- considered decisions about how to balance the real need to prevent terrorism with the real need to preserve our privacy. >> ben ferguson, it is a val concern because people are saying we only know potentially a sliver of what's going on. so how can we even have a well informed debate about this? >> that's right. >> when you see the other side -- let me jump in here. when i see government officials and guys that are sitting on the tv next to me trying to personally bash anyone that gets in the way of what it is he wants, that's a red flag to me. when he says that talk show hosts and everyone else is overreacting, and everyone else is acting like they don't know what they're talking about and they're lying to you and they're lying to you, i heard that a lot and politicians lie. i heard that from people, for example, richard nixon, congressmen, senators who say, you're paranoid. here is what we do know. we know a lot of information is being looked at by people that are not connected to terrorists, including every phone number that is being used, for example, in the verizon network. that's a fact. so i'm not paranoid to ask the question of a government who has lied to us about targeting people through the irs, who has attacked reporters, who are reporting on stories in the last month, who lied to us about benghazi to say, maybe i don't trust you with this information. >> all right, gentlemen. we're going to keep asking the questions and we potentially really as the professor is saying -- >> don't trust, verify. >> we're verifying. we want the facts. gentlemen, thank you very much. this is not going anywhere anytime soon. new government figures on jobs, they are out. the economy added 175,000 jobs in may. but the unemployment rate bumped up .1%. the white house admits, quote, more work needs to be done, while some republicans are slamming the obama administration for, as they're calling it, failed policies. look at the big board behind me now. the dow jumping at the release of the jobs figures this morning. you can see the dow jones is up 148 points. above the 15,000 mark. that's a good thing. we want to continue chugging in the right direction. always check the numbers, cnnmoney.com. as for tropical storm andrea, moving fast up the east coast, andrea is churning up the surf in the carolinas. it is expected to drench 13 states, all the way from georgia to maine. the cleanup is on as you can see here. this is florida, where the storm spawned tornadoes, knocked down palm trees, causing flooding in some areas. as for you in the northeast, bracing for a deluge, several inches of rain and stiff winds are expected to hit this weekend. and now to this story. you heard about this. one man, 12 children by 14 different women. what did i say? 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