Thank you for watching. Hello, everyone. Im Deborah Feyerick in for don lemon. The stories youre talking about in just a moment. But first, lets get you up to speed on some of the days headlines. Aurora, colorado, the scene of a deadly Movie Theater massacre last summer is dealing with a new tragedy tonight. A barricaded gunman and three other people are dead after an Early Morning standoff. Police say the gunman opened fire on officers after hours of negotiation. A s. W. A. T. Team was called out. They set up. Hostage negotiators tried to get the suspect to come outside. We made multiple attempts. Had intermittent phone calls with the suspect throughout the morning. Officers shot and killed the gunman and found two men and a woman dead inside the home. A woman had escaped earlier and told police she had seen three lifeless bodies inside. Aurora is the same denver suburb where a gunman opened fire last summer in a theater killing 12 people. Is Lance Armstrong about to come clean . A published report says the cycling great is thinking about admitting that he used performanceenhancing drugs. The New York Times reports armstrong is considering it, hopeful he may return to competition. Italian fashion mogul and his wife are missing. A small plane they were in disappeared off the coast of venezuela yesterday. He is the Marketing Management for his brand. He has target stores here in the united states. [ speaking Foreign Language ] venezuelans rallied for their ailing president. Hugo chavez has had four cancer operations and is currently being treated in cuba. Venezuelas Vice President says the next Health Update on chavez will come in a few days. Hes supposed to be inaugurated, hugo chavez, for a fourth term next week. We have a lot more planned for this saturday night. Heres what else we are working on. Accusations of rape rattle a small ohio town. All of us need to Pay Attention to this. Shocking an entire nation. An attorney for one of the accused, the woman who felt a crime was being covered up and our own dr. Drew pinsky are part of our extended coverage this hour. When was the last time you heard a politician talk like this 66 days and counting, shame on you, shame on congress. New jerseys Chris Christie winning over voters from both parties. Is it hard talk or hot air . And don lemon with William Shatner. Going out of my head i cant get that song out of my head. Youve never seen captain kirk like this before. All that and more coming up. Dons interview comes later this hour, but first, it is a case that is dividing a small to and attracting National Media attention. Startling allegations of teenagers raping an underage girl. The accused are two 16yearold High School Football players who allegedly sexually assaulted the girl while partying one night this summer. Amid allegations of coverup, pressured leaders in steubenville, ohio, are speaking out. Protesters rallied today to support the alleged victim and to protest the towns handling of the case. Meantime, the newly launched steubenvillefacts. Org was created by city leaders to disseminate the most Accurate Information about the charges pending against two juveniles in steubenville. But the now very public rape case wasnt always so public. Activist Hacker Group Anonymous is responsible for posting a video of teenagers in the town cracking jokes about the alleged incident. What if that was your daughter . But it isnt. If that was my daughter, i wouldnt care, i would just let her be dead. Listen to your yourself. Im listening to myself fine. In about ten years, im going to come back to this video. Ten years, my daughters going to be getting raped and dead. Anonymous later released a photograph apparently showing the alleged victim unconscious and being carried by her arms and legs. Cnn cannot confirm the girl in the photo is the alleged victim. But its the release of this photo that created a wave of social Media Attention and an increase in media coverage. Its kind of unforwarded and then it grew beyond all proportions we ever thought, with the pictures and the graphic descriptions of the boy that was on the video the other day talking about this from that particular night. This young lady didnt know what happened. Thats what i believe that the case is about. The case gained National Attention after the New York Times published a lengthy piece on it in december. The controversy has shaken the town. Some residents even accusing outsiders of trying to ruin the reputation of the High School Football team. An attorney for one of the that a text message may be a crucial piece of evidence in the upcoming trial. I would like to bring up an interesting fact that we do plan on presenting at trial, is that my client received a text message the following day from the alleged victim. The alleged victim herself stating that she said, i know you didnt rape me. What . She texted my client the next day stating, quote, i know you didnt rape me. Do you have that text . We do. And that is something that is going to be introduced at trial. And what did he reply . Thats something thats going to be introduced at trial, yes. Why do you think she sent that . Because i dont think she thinks she was raped. Now, he would not allege or show us that text. We want to go weve reestablished contact with mr. Madison. Sir, you represent one of the accused boys, malik richmond. How does your client explain the photo taken in which he is shown holding the alleged victim by her hands or feet . Well, a photograph is just a moment in time. Its that millimeter or millisecond, however the shutter speed is set on the particular camera. And although pictures can be misleading and in this case out of context, it does not suggest the activity prior to the photo being taken and or after the photo that was taken. And obviously its a still so theres no audio. There will be evidence and discussion around the circumstances before and after the photograph. The context of the whole entire evening in particular at that time with the photo, its really unfair that its made its way around the internet in the fashion that it has. And this is one of the major problems were encountering at this point with social media. Let me interrupt for just a moment. Its not a question that the photo is making its way around the internet. The problem is that the photo exists at all. If it werent for the evidence, the tweets, the postings and the various social media, this case wouldnt be getting the attention that its gotten so far. Does your client admit to having sex with the alleged victim . In this case, those particular facts, we have to allow the court to examine and so that they can be fully vetted. One of the things that really troubles all parties here is that were all looking for justice. Thats what this system is designed to do. And the fact that the ultimate question of whether or not there was sex, in this state, theres multiple ways other than a traditional concept of sex that one may be accused of rape. So there could be digital penetration, there could be oral penetration or that with an object. And im not specifying what is the allegation or which method is the allegation for the state at this point. What im saying is that there are more than one way that a person may assume constitutes rape. Correct, sir. I understand that. But the prosecutors are charging your client with Sexual Assault of this young lady who they say was either too drunk to know or had by that point passed out and didnt know what was going on. So sort of technicalities aside, the question is, has your client admitted to being there and admitted to being with this young woman on that night . Well, subsequent to the photograph, theres evidence that she was conscious and that she was capable of making decisions and speaking and exhibiting decisionmaking activity. So, again, the question the photo is out of context. And those are the things that we must wait to see. Thus far, all weve done in this case is had a hearing on the issue of probable cause. In the state of ohio, the burden for that is very, very low. And at that hearing, the defense, we do not have the option of presenting evidence. We dont have the luxury of bringing witnesses in on our behalf. So all of evidence that the world has heard to this point was at the production of the state of witnesses that they selected and they selected the best witnesses they could find to establish at that time a charge of kidnap and or rape. Are you suggesting that your client, sir, is being scapegoated for a crime that other people may have been involved in . Well, i cant make that decision. Im not a prosecuting authority. That decision is made by other entities. My business is my client, malik richmond. How is your client doing . Well, all of these people involved here are juveniles. And we have a juvenile system that is designed to make allowances for people who are not mature enough to make decisions that potentially could affect the rest of their lives. At one point, we wanted to prosecute these young boys as adults. There was a hearing and there was an independent evaluation from a psychologist. And it was determined that they are just inappropriate candidates for adult prosecution. Okay. And lets not forget, clearly, innocent until proven guilty. Will this case remain in Juvenile Court and if so, will the evidence and this case be sealed . Well, you mentioned a few things there. The matter is a juvenile matter. There was a determination about that. And it will remain there. And the presumption of innocence, we would like to enjoy that. However, that has been destroyed. Its essentially at this point a legal lynching. You have not just the allegation that we must defend against at this point based upon protests and other activities that have gone on and other special Interest Groups who have joined into the conversation. We now have a campaign waged against us by women groups who are antiviolence against women. And let us be clear. We are not promoting crime. We are not promoting rape. All were asking for is a fair opportunity to explore these issues which the media through the social media has put out into the world and propagandized this case. And to this point, we have been silent about these. If i could just finish this point, to this point, the defense, weve been silent honoring the sacred nature of the legal process. Only until the scales became so unbalanced did you hear about the text message and the communication sent to the codefendant here. I think the question and i think the thing that people find most disturbing, however, is how many people seem to have been involved, how many people seem to have witnessed what was going on that night and how few people stepped in to help a young woman who may or may not have been passed out while all of this was going on. Mr. Madison, walter madison, the lawyer for one of the accused boys, we thank you very much for your time and for your insights as well. I think i understood your question. And you may need to repeat if my answer doesnt speak to it. The video is grossly inappropriate for the media to have the social media to use in the fashion that it has. We understand that, sir. The one thing we want to make the point is it exists and thats part of the problem that people are having about what happened that evening. Thank you so much, walter madison. 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Just click away with our free mobile app. With odor free aspercreme. Powerful medicine relieves pain fast, with no odor. So all you notice is relief. Aspercreme. Social media playing a major role in a teen rape case in ohio because so much was posted about it. Two 16yearold High School Football players have been charged with sexually assaulting a 16yearold girl last summer. And much of the event being documented and made public via facebook, instagram and twitter by some of the High School Students who apparently were there. I want to bring in alexandria godard, crime blogger. You shed light on this story. Put it into perspective for us. Youre from steubenville. Yes, i used to live there several years ago. And so you decided you basically decided to come out and write about this because you felt that with everything that was known that it wasnt being investigated properly. Walk us through that. Not necessarily that it wasnt being investigated properly because i dont have knowledge of that. Im not Law Enforcement. But there were things online that the local media was not presenting or hadnt found. You suggest there were other Football Players who were there, that there were others who were there and did nothing to stop this. Should there be more charges brought against more of the High School Players based on some of the information that you were able to see thats now been deleted, posts, for example . You know, again, im not an attorney or a prosecutor. But if there were laws broken, then, yes, people should be held accountable. Now, you were sued by a student, apparently, allegedly who basically documented what happened. Tell us about that and tell us how it ended. I was sued. 25 of my john doe commenters were sued. And in my opinion, the lawsuit was brought simply to stifle free speech. And the lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice on december 27th. Okay. And whats also interesting is apparently the student later apologized to the victim and her family for his online comment. Yes. Now, basically, alexandria, we just want to tell our viewers tonight that, in fact, we havent told people where you are. Your lawyer who represents you is in las vegas. Youve received some very specific threats. Mark, tell us about why your client has drawn so much fire from people in steubenville. Because she was doing exactly what she should have done as a journalist. She was exposing wrongdoing. And doing it at a time when the Mainstream Media was ignoring it. So she was the First Amendment in action. This is what its there for. It is to bring sunlight upon something that needs to be exposed. So people didnt want that to happen. Steubenville itself is very upset about this case. Of course, the participants in it are very upset about it. And by participants, i dont just mean the rapists. If you watch that video, you will see that there were people standing around. There were people who witnessed it. People who documented it did nothing. And there might be a line over which one side of this line is something that is illegal and you can be prosecuted for. But then theres still this gray area of just horrible sociopathic behavior. And she shined a light on that because it seems from her reporting that theres a culture of that in steubenville, that that is tolerated there. So im extremely proud of what shes done. But shes definitely made a lot of people angry. And alexandria, the officials of steubenville say, this is not what we are, this is not what our town is about. Do you think the Football Team there is protected on some levels, that theyre given a free pass to behave as they want . From living there, their football is very important to them and they are held on a pedestal. So in my opinion, yes. And one more question. You posted screen shots of photos that have now been deleted, of videos from that night. What was most horrifying to you that you saw and said, this has got to come to light . Just the total disregard for this young lady. The lack of empathy, the lack of compassion for another human being. And when i saw all the horrible things written, thats when i made the decision that it was time to shine a light on it. They were essentially blaming the victim, is what youre saying . Yes. Alexandria goddard, thank you so much. I want to bring in paul callan. Hes our legal contributor. Paul, whats so interesting is that the hacker group, anonymous, posted the video initially online for people to see. They have said they can hack into accounts and maybe more will come out. Does this help or does this hurt the case . I think its, of course, brought the case to public attention in a very, very graphic way. What a lot of people dont realize is this is a juvenile case. And juvenile cases are not publicized like cases that take place in adult court. So were only getting bits and pieces of information about it. The anonymous posting drew a lot of public attention. Of course, they did state that they did illegal things like hacking into peoples computers and stealing their passwords and then threatening to publish pictures and other documents that they obtained by illegal hacking. I dont think we can encourage that kind of behavior. But on the other hand, it has cast a light on what was going on in steubenville. And whats interesting also is that you heard the lawyer earlier basically say, well, this is all about social media. But whats fascinating to me is that there was an active conversation going on, apparently, between some of the students who had been at these parties. And thats why it came to light. They themselves, whether they realized it or not, were documenting what was going on. Is that admissible evidence in court . Certainly. Theyll all be key witnesses in the case. The attorney madison, i thought it was interesting when you were asking him questions about the picture. And he says, its taken out of context. Well, i dont know how it could be taken out of context unless his unless the young woman is a very heavy sleeper and shes being moved from place to place because she certainly looks intoxicated. If one is intoxicated and then is subject to Sexual Conduct, under ohio law, thats rape. You were asking the question and we focused on the other attorney saying that a text message had been sent from the victim saying that she hadnt been raped. And i think what youre going to hear prosecutors say is, a lot of people dont realize that the definition of rape is not sexual intercourse by forcible compulsion, which is how we normally think of it. It can be various kinds of sexual contact. And the girl may not have thought that she was raped. She may be applying on oldfashion definition to it in her text as opposed to a lawyers definition. We have to see how the facts turn out in the case before we can say that that text will help the defense or not. What the meaning is or what the meaning is not, for that matter. Exactly. Alexandria, you have shed a lot of light on this. Do you have any regrets, either personal or professional . No, not at all. Im overwhelmed at the response. And im glad other people are asking questions. That was my intention. All right. Alexandria goddard, Marc Randazza and our own paul callan, we really appreciate your helping us shed light on this conversation. Thank you. How does Something Like this happen . What goes through the minds of young men who do or who are accused of doing several things . A forensic psychologist and our own dr. Drew pinsky. Stay with us. [ woman ] ring. Ring. Progresso. Your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i cant stop eating em whats. That. On your head . Can curlers tomato basil, potato with bacon. Weve got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. You gotta taste this soup. A social media avalanche descended on a 16yearold girl at the center of an alleged rape case. For months, the teens chilling story plus photos have been discussed, dissected on social media worldwide, photos showing her in an incredible vulnerable state tweeted around the globe. Her familys Attorney Says the teen is getting counseling and doing as well as one can expect. Lets bring in dr. Cheryl arrut. If you could talk to this girl, how would you help her cope with what shes dealing with . Deborah, i think the most important thing i would want to say to her loud and clear is that rape is never, ever the victims fault. What happened to her was not her fault. And thats a really important thing, especially when you are growing up in an environment that has such tolerance, such a high tolerance of rape myths and for blaming the victim. We have to remember how very important football is in this community. And football is about taking without permission, overwhelming resistance, and taking without consent. And i think its very easy in that kind of environment on the field to have that spill over and create a high level of tolerance in the community. So what i would say to her is first of all, she can heal from this. It is not her fault. And she needs to be around people who can really work with her to help her overcome what shes experienced and rebuild her life. What is so fascinating to me is the fact that people took pictures, that they discussed it, that they were tweeting about it, that they were having conversations via instagram and facebook. There was a sense that this was all a big joke, that they were allowed to do this. They were okay to do this. Is that part of the culture or is it very possible they were so drunk, they didnt know what they were doing . It would be tempting to think of it as being too intoxicated to realize what they were doing. But i think they realized very clearly what they were doing. This is consistent with a way of thinking. We think about rape very differently than we think about other kinds of crimes. If you look at mugging, for example, we dont ask whether it was the victims fault because he might have been wearing a watch that some other guy felt tempted by or what was he doing walking at that hour or had he ever given money away voluntarily in the past . And yet when were looking at rape, we ask, was she ever sexually active . How do we know that she didnt consent to this . We have all these special rules that really serve to demean and further victimize the victim and not looking at this as a human rights issue, which i think it really is. And we have an expert also another expert with us tonight, dr. Drew pinsky. Im going to ask you about the character of these boys and what it tells us about what happened. But were going to do that after the break. Both of you stay with us. Weve been talking about this terrible story out of ohio and the 16yearold girl at the center of an alleged rape case. Also the young men accused of this crime. We want to reiterate that they are innocent until proven guilty. Let me bring in dr. Cheryl arutt and dr. Drew pinsky. Dr. Drew, let me ask you this. Whats disturbing is the fact everything. That there was enough wherewithal for these young men to tape what was going on, to record, to document, to take photos. What was their mentality . What was going on in their minds or was nothing going on . Well, deborah, heres the deal. I think we all all of your viewers need to step back and take this away from a small town in ohio and think about what is happening to our youth more globally. This is about kids, morality, the capacity for empathy. That girl, the most disturbing part of this was that 12minute videotape that was aired where the kids are laughing about the young lady being dead. There it is alongside of me right now. She was no more a person dead than she was alive. This is the objectification of women. They act out on one another as though they are simply objects. We must counterparent this actively. If we dont, it could be our kids. The other element with this is alcohol. Whether it is Sexual Conduct thats unwanted, you find alcohol. If parents, if adults were involved in the use of alcohol with these kids, they should be held accountable. Theres rumor that there were. But thats strictly rumor at this point. There was a rumor that this girl had so much to drink that she passed out at one point im going to stop you. The fact that she passed out does not make her a candidate for rape. In california, if you have a very small amount of alcohol, you are not considered able to render consent. I find it stunning that in ohio, maybe they need to revisit their laws, that being conscious, according to the attorney you were peeking with, conscious, making decisions and speaking, make somebody sufficiently sober to be able to render consent. And that is a problem. Thats something that ohio needs to look at and every state should look at that. What about accountability . Lets talk about that. This goes to the point you were raising. Theres no empathy. Theres no sort of ability to gauge right from wrong. Accountability, theyre posting pictures, theyre talking about this. They are implicating themselves. They are essentially making themselves character witnesses to what went on. Again, these are kids. And as kids when we evaluate kids, we evaluate kids and the parents. Thats the unit, kids and the parent together. And if the kids are behaving in ways that are suggestive that they dont understand right from wrong, they dont understand theyre implicating themselves, they dont understand the impact theyre having again, the social media gives them some distance from what theyre doing and makes it seem like, well, this is all in fun, this is a joke, this is where we do things that are fun when in fact peoples lives are permanently, potentially, affected by behavior on the internet. We may find out because we dont know yet, perhaps more so than in the flesh. Absolutely. And, look, this may be a case where with all the pictures people are not going to be able to say what was going on there because maybe they were so drunk. But let me ask you this, cheryl, cheryl, what about the character of the girl . Because you know that Defense Attorneys are going to go after her and go after her in a big way if she had had so much to drink, if there was alcohol there, that she passed out. Talk to me about that because its really so upsetting to see this young girl in a tshirt and shorts sort of being dragged by these two young men. What about a potential character assassination of her . That her character is even an issue is absolutely appalling. I want to say, i think its really important that people like dr. Drew are here tonight as men talking about how boys have to look at their behavior as well as girls. The idea that were looking at her character at all, i know in california there are rape shield laws where youre not allowed to make a rape victims character an issue. But think about this. Regardless of someones character and from what i understand, she was an athlete and a scholar and an a student in a religious school. But even if a victim didnt have impeccable character, should that mean that a man or boy can rape with impunity . When we think about why isnt the default cheryl, ill go one step further. Lets say this is the beginning of alcoholism in this poor young girl. Shouldnt she then even be more protected because she has a condition that put her at risk of behavioral choices that might be a detriment to her . We should be protecting her further as opposed to contemplating a character assassination. Theres a substance thing here that maybe put her at risk. Maybe it was teen acting out. Maybe theres a more serious problem and we should feel empathy for this young girl and not disdain. Maybe she made a choice that she came to regret. Maybe she picked up a drink, had it and wasnt able to control what she did. We dont know what the outcome is going to be, what prosecutors are going to be able to prove. But looking at those pictures, theres something extremely disturbing about the potential violation that took place there that night. Dr. Drew pinsky and cheryl arutt, thank you so much for the engaging conversation. We appreciate it. A program reminder, be sure to washington dr. Drew on call on our sister network, hln at 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Next on cnn when was the last time you heard a politician talk like this 66 days and counting. Shame on you. Shame on congress. New jerseys Chris Christie winning over voters from both parties. Is it hard talk or hot air . You know, Disaster Relief was something that you didnt play games with. But now in this current atmosphere, everything is the subject of oneupsmanship, everything is a piece of bait for the political game. It is why the American People hate congress. Well, when it comes to new jersey governor Chris Christie, what you see is what you get. And this week, his fellow republicans got an earful, as you just heard. Lets bring in ana navarro. That is your party. Is this the kind of elected official that republicans need, someone who calls it like he sees it . Absolutely. We need a big tent thats got room for people like Chris Christie, for northeastern republicans that call it like they see it, that are blunt, that are honest. Chris christie wasnt saying anything that most americans dont believe is true. Yes, look at the statistics and the Approval Ratings for washington, for congress. Theyre in the low teens. And thats the high ones, deb. Most americans believe washington is broken. Most americans believe congress and our government is working in a dysfunctional fashion. He doesnt say anything that most americans dont share in. The best thing Chris Christie can do for our party is be a good governor of new jersey. Lets remember that new jersey is a state thats got two democrat senators, thats had a democrat governor. It is a blue state that goes democrat in president ial races. Chris christie is doing a great job there. His top priority is to represent the people of new jersey. Thats what hes got to do best. Look, Party Critics from the gop are basically going to say hes burning bridges and hes doing it just so he can get reelected and Bashing Congress is the easiest way to do it. Do you agree . No. I dont think hes taking on congress to get reelected. I think hes doing what he has to do. Remember, im from florida so i come from a state that gets hit by hurricanes. And when you are an affected state, what you want is you want quick action and you want other people to feel the sense of urgency no as an affected victim feel. I dont think that this is about his reelection. I think hes trying to do his job the best way he can. Hes doing his job. We also have to cut john boehner some slack, i think. He had been in a marathon for weeks trying to get this fiscal cliff deal done. He finally made it. He did it at the last minute. He was fried that night. He didnt have the political capital. He didnt have the energy, the emotional wherewithal to go through it all over again over sandy. Did he mishandle it . Absolutely. Im sure if you asked john boehner if he mishandled it, he would say he could have handled it better. That being said, its time to pass the page, let bygones be bygones. Its time to get moving. John boehner made amends. He got the bill passed the next day on friday, were good. Ana navarro, thank you so much. And we know youre under the weather. So we really appreciate your being here for all of us and our viewers. Thanks so much. Death in hollywood has us asking, is it time to make tougher laws for the paparazzi . this past week, a photographer was killed chasing a car that he thought Justin Bieber was driving. It happened on an l. A. Freeway. Police say the man pulled over and walked across the street to snap photos. But as he walked back to his car, he was hit and killed by oncoming traffic. Dennis, you led a push a few years back to regulate what paparazzi can and cannot do. After this tragedy, Justin Bieber said we need better laws to protect celebrities and also paparazzi. Do you think this might spark that to happen . Well, i would hope so. We look back at 1997, princess diana, that tragic death. We started in los angeles back in 2008 trying to come up with some new regulations. Karen bass at the time was the speaker of the california state assembly, authored legislation on a civil matter. The next year, 2010, we went up to something very significant to take aggressive action. Its about enforcement. Its about enforcement by the local Law Enforcement but clearly theres the responsibility by the celebrities, by the photographers, we need to safeguard people. This tragedy, this 29yearold who was trying to become an upandcoming photographer, a paparazzi in the city of los angeles, tragically killed by a lady who simply is driving down the roadway at night, didnt see him, struck him, killed him. She had two youngsters in the car. A lot of people are impacted by this. We need cooperation from everyone. We need cooperation from the celebrities as well as those taking photography and the paparazzi. And what happened is theyve exploded in numbers. There used to be just a couple out taking photography. Now the numbers are staggering. And when they have the chases down the freeway, in july, it was with Justin Bieber traveling down the freeway at an excessive rate of speed followed by the paparazzi. It got out of control. I called 911. We did a prosecution. The court ruled that the laws are too broad. We have to scale them down. The bottom line is its everyones responsibility. Were working feverishly with our City Attorney and with our state legislators to try and shore this up so we dont have any more of these tragedies. Lets talk about one of the greatest players involved in this are magazines and newspapers that pay these men and women a lot of money for that one photo everybodys trying to get that one photo that will basically really almost make them rich, at least for a little while. What is the responsibility of the magazines and the papers themselves . There are sanctions and there are sanction here in the state of california. The problem is, we have got a swarm of paparazzi chasing these individuals, whos going to get that picture . In this particular case, the Highway Patrol stopped the ferrari on the 405 freeway. This was adjacent to the freeway where this young 29yearold photographer got out of his car, went over snapping some pictures. The officer told him to get out of there, told him to remove himself. As we goes back, hes struck and killed. Its a dark roadway. Its really a tragedy. But hopefully we can learn from this experience and we can have the cooperation doesnt matter how many laws are on the books. Its the cooperation of everyone, including the celebrities. And the public. We have to curb our insatiable demand for that hot next picture. Sir, thank you very much. We appreciate your joining us tonight. Next on cnn don lemon with William Shatner. Going out of my head cant get that song out of my head. Youre going out of your mind. Youve never seen captain kirk like this before. William shatner is on tour with a new show. Hes been on a lot of shows, of course. 9 don lemon talked to him earlier and asked if over the years the craft of acting has changed for shatner. I have discovered as an actor, as im into my last phases of life that acting is even more come on. Well, it is. Acting becomes more complex. Youve worked with judy garland, on and on and on. And youre a star in your own right. But back then, you were younger. Were you starstruck when you worked with those people . So much so. I loved them. They were the mystery and the mystique of the silver screen. As a kid, id go and watch these people. And then i met them. Spencer tracy, a Legendary Group of people who are now for the most part long forgotten. And i admired them. They were the ritual i went through. They were the focus of mythology that i went through. I wonder when people do spoofs of you or sort of mimic you and do the staccato, that doesnt bother you, does it . No. Some of those actors who most people in america dont recognize, jimmy stewart, did they recognize when people were doing imitations. With edward g. Robinson, i said, did you know you do this a lot . And he said, i do . I know what theyre doing but i dont see myself doing that, do i . I think you probably had a lot of gay admirers because you walked around that ship with your shirt off a lot or at least well, if that was the reason i had gay admirers, they perhaps dont admire me quite as much now. All right. So lets move on and talk about lieutenant uhura, Nischelle Nichols is that sort of a dream thing with you. Is that a fantasy for you . What . You want to talk about lieutenant uhura i had a huge i thought you were talking about the you with your shirt off, no. But lieutenant uhura, i did i had a crush on her when i was a kid. Who didnt . She was a gorgeous woman. I heard it in your voice. You share what many consider the interracial kiss on american television. Did you realize how groundbreaking that moment was . Not in terms of groundbreaking. I just realized how lovely her lips were. This was the 1960s. Were you worried at all about your career and that it would have a detrimental effect on your career for sharing a kiss with an africanamerican woman . It never occurred to me, no. And some last words from William Shatner next. [ woman ] ring. Ring. Progresso. I just served my motherinlaw your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much. I told her it was homemade. Everyone tells a little white lie now and then. But now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] shes right behind me isnt she . [ male announcer ] progresso. You gotta taste this soup. William shatner is touring with his oneman show but he took a break to talk to our don lemon. And he wanted to end about thoughts he has about all of us