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because your choice didn't win or you want to checkup the other runners up, go to suzanne malveaux's page,. and it's the big story today. today is the big day for president obama. that long awaited jobs speech on congress. it was planned for last night. you know the republicans were debating last night and had to be moved to tonight, the president's speech. here we are six hours away from the speech. he is expected to propose more investments and tax breaks that will cost $3 billion. the president may call for an infrastructure bank providing for low cost loans to get projects off the ground. he is expected to call for an extension in the payroll tax break which almost every american worker gets. and more tax breaks for those that hire veterans and the long-term unemployed. the white house says none of this ought to come as objectionable to republicans. >> all of these ideas are bipartisan in nature. they are the kinds of things that republicans and democrats have broadly supported in the past. and therefore, given the fact that they are paid for and the economy needs help and americans need help, congress should act right away and get it done. >> of course debt has been a part of the conversation. you remember that super committee? well we saw the first meeting, the very first one of this bipartisan congressional super committee. their job is to come up with about up to 1.5 billion in deficit reduction. this is broken down by six republicans and six democrats, so if they vote along party lines nothing will get done. maybe they will vote unanimously on what they come up with. yeah, right. and now the president's speech coming up in about six hours, and let's bring in our guests. briana, let me start with you. are they coming up with something the president announcing something he thinks can get passed or is he announcing something tonight that he really thinks is going to get the economy going. >> certainly this is something the white house wants and would have an immediate impact. but there are obstacles in congress and the white house and house republicans don't see eye to eye on what we're expecting from the proposal. you will hear republicans talking about how some of the things in the bill are stimulus, which has become a bit of a dirty word, of course, and house republicans are opposed to that. and there is also as we understand it from democratic sources familiar with the president's speech is one of the ways he will propose paying for this is in part with the delayed tax increases. you know that republicans are not going to be onboard with that. and what you also have is the white house pointing to other things, tax cuts and a payroll and a tax cut and an extension of that and allowing it to go to employers. and the point they are trying to make is anything they put forward house republicans will say no to. they are literally sending up a bill next week, this is what the white house press second said, they are putting it in bill form, and hey, we have even written it for you and here it is, and even talking to democrats on the hill, there is no expectation that congress will pass one single comprehensive jobs bill the president will propose tonight. >> interesting how you say it. hey, we made it easy for you and even wrote it for you, but it may not pass. christine, is that enough money? >> we already spent twice on the stimulus that critics would not say did not hurt. the white house said if you pass the stimulus and spend the hundreds of billions we will be able to keep the unemployment below 8%. they can't hang that on them again. one of the things that is interesting is the buying of the goodwill from different sectors that are getting hit here. you have state and local governments that have been hit hard in terms of state budget cuts and having to lay off first responders and teachers and people that work in schools. if the president can come out with some targeted relief because of holes in state budgets, that could be difficult for republicans to turn down, couldn't it? you take a look at school personnel, for example. 85,000 jobs lost in schools just this summer. since 2008, when the crisis began, you lost 290,000 jobs in american schools. that means pretty much every family out there has noticed in their school district maybe something is different. now you are paying to be on the football team and now you have five more kids in the classes, and it's something that you can resonate. the question for the president, can the white house team put something together that the republicans cannot afford not to pass, otherwise it looks like they are saying no for the sake of saying no. >> what is this going to look like? this is one of the grandest thing the president can do, get two houses together and it will be looking presidential, and there's an expectations gain, and you have us all around the tv and all the senators in congress sitting there, and you better say something important. is there pressure to say something important? >> there's a lot of pressure and anticipation. what does an address to a joint session of congress look like? it looks like the state of the union. it's a big deal. it's a huge spectacle. this could be -- it's really expected to be a pivotal moment for the president. you heard christine talking about the buying of the goodwill for a different sort of sectors. a lot of this has to do with the buying of the goodwill of the american people and trying to convince them the president will understand and he cares and is trying to do something and he is trying to point out that house republicans are the ones getting in the way. of course, this is the battle that will be going back and forth. bottom line, this is a big deal and it's a huge spectacle. >> all right. ladies, always good to see you both. i will chat with you again, soon. to the viewers, if you don't know by now, the president talking tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. the president is speaking at 7:00, and he will be done in time for you to catch off the nfl season. now, other news taking place today. jury selection under way in the trial of conrad murray. he is the cardiologist charged with involunteer manslaughter in the death of michael jackson. jackson, you will remember, died on june 25th, 2009, of an overdose of the anaesthetic drug, propofol. prosecutors claim murray used a drip of the drug. nearly 1400 homes destroyed. the fire is only 30% contained at this point. so far it has blackened 34,000 acres and forced many to evacuated. texas is in desperate need of water. they are dealing with terrible drought conditions. historic drought conditions in that state. meanwhile, other folks dealing with too much water. catastrophic flooding. this is the remanence of tropical storm lee. you have people evacuating by about 100,000. we will take you live to pennsylvania for the latest. stay with us. and a choice. take advil now and maybe up to four in a day. or choose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain. way to go, coach. ♪ that didn't just hide your breakouts... but actually made them go away. neutrogena skin clearing makeup has our proven blemish fighting formula so it clears your breakouts. now that's beautiful. neutrogena®. now that's beautiful. 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from bingington, and from the susquehanna, and the water going over the levee system and going over the water breaching and into the city. i don't think the city of bringington will fill up with water but people are being evacuated there. think about the city or town and you a try to put 100,000 people someplace not in their homes, like in high schools and gymnasiums, and just centers. how do you put 100,000 people. how do you prepare to put 100,000 people anywhere. if you are going and listening, you must take your own things. you must prepare it and make sure that you have stuff to sleep on, because there's no possible way the red cross or the cities or states or anywhere can be anywhere near to take care of 100,000 people. there's the water. it's going up. that water from where it is, another 12 feet higher. those buildings, those little houses you saw under water, at least partly under water will be significantly deeper in about eight hours. >> you say that like a sure thing. it's hard to even imagine from looking at that picture that that's possible. >> i lived that flood in agnes, and i was a boy scout and we collected food and clothes and took it down to corning, and that's as far as we could go. it was a tremendous flood from agnes, and this is equal if not as bad. in some spots it's worst than that. >> chad, we appreciate you. thank you so much. six months after the devastating earthquake and tsunami that hit ju pan, a lot of things to be concerned about, and one of them the fear of more suicides. stay with me. coffee doesn't have vitamins... unless you want it to. new splenda® essentials™ no calorie sweetener with b vitamins, the first and only one to help support a healthy metabolism. three smart new ways to sweeten. same great taste. new splenda® essentials™. 17 minutes past the hour. time for a new segment. it's called undercover. where on this show they will be bringing you stories not getting enough attention, maybe like this one out of japan today. you remember seeing, of course, a number of these images. entire communities wiped away by a tsunami. it was covered around the hour for days when it happened and that was back in march. here we are six months later and not a lot of talk maybe about the people who survived and trying to rebuild. more than 100,000 still don't have a permanent place to live. there was a huge concern that more and more people will commit suicide. especially because in japan, there is such a social stigma about seeking mental health assistance. >> reporter: disaster as far as the eye could see. that's what the tsunami left in a town in japan, gutting more than half of the city. six months later, rescuers have cleared much of the rubble, but the pain remained. i was tormented and in shock because all that was precious to me was gone. the hotel that she owned seen burning here was destroyed. all her possessions, gone. family and friends, perished. it was a living hell, until she met the volunteer psychiatrist, who listened. >> translator: if i had not met the doctor, i would have ended my life. >> reporter: suicide, that's the fear in japan. reports are surfacing from the disaster zone. a dairy farmer struggling hung himself in the barn saying there was nothing to live for. japan has one of the highest rates of suicide in the entire world. there is one approximately every 15 minutes in this country. social workers say there is an urgent need to deal with post traumatic stress disorder in the tsunami zone, but an extraordinary lack of resources and a strong social stigma seeking health care. that's why these social workers never utter the word therapy, and they talk over makeup and massages. one psychologist slyly asks about their grief. a lot of the people here believe it's too painful, she says, who like so many lost her home, but it helps, she adds, knowing she's not alone. the survival of the body was the focus in the wake of the tsunami, and now it's about fighting ptsd and suicide. she believes suicide cases will begin to spike. they are realizing only now the sense of loss and deep grief, she says. you can easily lose all hope for the future. and now this woman focuses on rebuilding her hotel and a new future. for every success story, there's an unfortunate reality. >> as a doctor, does it bother you there will be so many people you will not be able to reach? yes, he says. there's not a psychiatric clinic in the region. i can't stand the fact that so many people will die because they did not have anything to talk to. a region trying to rebuild. but the devastation runs deeper than the eye can see. and a woman who woke up with a cross painted with the racial colors. we'll tell you his words for the criminals. stay here. 50+ advantage has ginkgo for memory and concentration, plus support for bone and breast health. a great addition to my routine. 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we're talking jobs in 90 seconds. stay with us. 35 minutes past the hour now. every day about this time the show is going to be tackling political issue that you have talking but often get tangled up in partisan rhetoric. everybody is fair game. today we put two topics on the table. first, president obama's job speech tonight and the republican presidential debate from last night. this is the first time wreck pa -- rick perry took part. and they all took jabs at the issues and the president and at each other at times. he will prepare to address congress and it's called the american jobs act. critics are on the attack on the initiative that could top $4 billion. to help break all of this down for us, nancy fullpower. have not seen you in a while. good to have you back. >> thank you for having me. >> and we have a democratic strategist, maria cardona. all eyes were on governor perry last night. some of the things -- well, everybody was waiting on him to slip up, i guess. would he be up for the challenge? seemed like he was. some things got peoples' attention. let's listen to the first thing that got peoples' attention and i will ask you about it on the other side. >> it's a monstrous lie. it's a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today you are paying in a program that will be there. anybody that is for the status quo with social security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids. that's not right. >> all right. nancy, he did not back down. they thought he might last night, but he stuck with it. he said we need provocative language possibly. would you agree with that? can you step up and call social security and call it a lie and ponzi scheme and still be a frontrunner and be taken seriously? >> we will know in november, or earlier if he gets the nomination. the important thing last night, you're right, he did not back down. he showed a lot of poise, and even though he took most of the punches, and he proved if you are a texan and get punched once, they punch you back twice. but from a substantive standpoint, if you look at the financing on social security, it's insolvent. that's the point he was making. i would have cautioned him to use the type of language he used, but it is insolvent. the only way we can pay people ten or 20 years in the future is if there is a massive tax increase or massive benefit reduction. >> maria, i am guessing you will be critical of governor perry, but still does he deserve credit for using provocative language and looking everybody in the eye and saying this is how i feel and now let's talk? >> what you are seeing him do is play to the base. let's talk about expectations. he is the beneficially as was another texan before him of low expectations. there had been so much commentary about how he had not been in a debate for so long and it was never something he was good at, and the fact that he did not fumble and fall down benefits him. from a substantive standpoint, i think he really fumbled in terms of the social security piece and calling it a ponzi scheme. i think he lost a ton of republican seniors last night. now in terms of the truth being told, some folks might have said well he is telling us the truth and we appreciate that, but what he should have done is followed it up with -- by saying here is how i would fix it, and that's what he did not do. that's a huge mistake on his part and it handed romney and the democrats a huge issue to use against him. >> let's turn to the president tonight. this is the issue we will wrap on. you spoke about the solutions he did not use, and the president giving his solutions tonight to fix the economy. can he meet expectations this evening? he's got all of us hanging on the edge of our seats this evening, and he has congress and he called them up and said you need to come and listen to me. can he meet the expectations with a $3 billion plan? >> it will be tough to meet the high expectations. if anybody can do it president obama certainly can. what will be interesting is how the republicans respond. one thing the president is going to make clear tonight is that the american people are looking to their leaders, both democrats and republicans, to work together in a bipartisan manner, to find a balanced solution. and that is what republicans have not been able to do at all. the democrats and this president have never walked away from a negotiation, t. j. we have seen this from republicans time and again. i hope what eric cantor says, is i think a light of hope in saying that there are some things that we can come together on and let's focus on those things. >> nancy, wrap it up for me. big expectations tonight? >> based on what i see, there's no way he clears them, and the definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results, but there is one area he could go, a reduction in the corporate tax rate. he has called for it before. and so have republicans. we're competing and it's like running in a race with a 100-pound weight on our back with other countries, and that's something that he could do that would get a few people giving him a thumbs up. >> good to see you both. we will all see the president tonight. ladies, thank you so much. to our viewers, if you don't know by now, 7:00 eastern is when the president is peeking. you can see the coverage from the best political covering on television. and it's on 3:00 pacific right here on cnn. now after a decade of fighting, is al qaeda still the world's public enemy number one? our nic robertson has the answer next. yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spent there. genius. yeah, genius. you guys must have your own loyalty program, right? well, we have something. show her, tom. huh? you should see november! oh, yeah? giving you more. now that's progressive. call or click today. in the wake of september 11th, washington launched a war on terrorism. al qaeda became a household name. since then the terrorist network has taken serious blows including the death of its leader. nic robertson takes a look at how al qaeda has changed in the decade since 9/11. >> kabul changed dramatically in the last decade. it has grown fast. international aid poored in to support the democracy. and now training camps across the border are in pakistan. it was in pakistan that osama bin laden was killed, and where this man, a senior al qaeda operative, was captured last week. he was the handler of this man. this is a german jihadists, and he came to a al qaeda camp in pakistan. he wanted to fight u.s. forces in afghanistan. but he was told to go home and launch attacks in germany. he never made it. he was killed in a drone strike. and that's become a familiar pattern. al qaeda recruits from europe and america reaching pakistan's badlands, and u.s. drone attacks trying to eliminate them and their mentors. and one such recruit from long island, new york, a christian convert to islam. >> that has led to an increase in the types of material we're seeing, and almost, if you will, an arms race of competing sophisticated of making material more accessible. >> reporter: that's the new al qaeda. different branches pumping out the jihaddist message online. >> we know they continue to plot against the united states, and against other western countries as well. so the situation in yemen remains a serious one for us. >> reporter: and then somalia, drawing recruits as far as minneapolis and canada. a stone's throw from europe, it may yet benefit from the arrests in libya and egypt, making the job of counterterrorism even more complex, the lone wolf. >> we have all of the related groups and islamists and terrorists groups, and we have to watch out for them and we have to watch out for lone actors. >> times square bomber was one of them. he had training in pakistan, but when he came home, acted alone in building his car bomb. but he was an amateur and building bombs according to al qaeda recipes is an inexact science. >> the mex chur i am making is one that i don't have great confidence. some of them will probably be about the person making them. >> reporter: but somebody will have the training and ability to build a explosive device. >> there if enough people get o particular publication and practice what it preaches, then some of them will succeed incasing havoc and harm that they set out to do. >> reporter: it's not just another attack that worries this former top dhs official, but the shear volume of targets, malts, targets, power plants and rail networks. >> if i was on top i would be very worried, about al qaeda exploiting those because we have more work to do. >> reporter: and now the attack against al qaeda is different, but far from over. nic robertson, cnn, kabul, afghanistan. all this week, cnn marking a decade since the 9/11 attacks. on sunday you can join us for a special 9/11 ten years later, live coverage begins in new york. i will be live there with my show, cnn "cnn sunday morning" starting at 6:00 a.m. and then more special coverage comes your way, 8:00 eastern time again from new york at ground zero. do you remember the e. coli outbreak in europe that left 31 people dead? well, next, a new machine that can save your life in a global pandemic. or what if we told you that ferrari borrowed technology from cadillac to develop its suspension system? magnetic ride control -- pioneered by cadillac, perfected in the 556-horsepower cts-v. we don't just make luxury cars. we make cadillacs. on day one, there were two people, and then four, and then 16. in three months it's a billion. that's where we're headed. >> that was a scene from the new movie "contagion" by warner brothers owned by time warner, parent company of cnn. the film depicts one of the world's worst fears, a global pandemic, but what would happen if such an outbreak really did happen, one that threatens millions or billions of lives? is the government prepared for something like that? how will we even find a vaccine? well, joining me now for tonight's "big i" from new york, jonathon rothenberg, owner of the personal genome machine, that printer he's sitting next to and rear admiral from the centers of disease control, director for the centers for immunization and respiratory diseases. heck of a title you've got there. thanks, docs, for being here. does hollywood sometimes just scare the devil out of us with these movies, or are they kind of close to what could happen? i know you were part of putting this movie together. >> well, this is a movie, not a documentary, but infectious diseases have a way of being stranger than fiction sometimes. >> yeah. >> and cdc and our partners are working 24/7 to try to prevent the kind of thing you see in that movie from happening. >> but something like that certainly we haven't seen it may be in our lifetimes, but still today with all the technology and research you all do at the cdc, something like that is still possible, and one of your biggest fears? >> you know, in the past 30 years there's been a new infectious disease or a resurgent infectious disease pretty much every year. the idea of a virus coming from animals to people happens. we saw that with sars. we've seen that with the avian flu problem, and so it's actually realistic in terms of the biology of what viruses are capable of doing and the way humans act in a globalized world. >> dr. rothenberg, what you have with you is something that can help with genetic sequencing. now, explain that just quickly for me what that is and why it's so important and trying to help folks luke the cdc battle whatever might come up. >> absolutely. what we're able to do is take a picture of the infectious agent and read off its genetic code, so we have a chip that takes a picture, and once you've read off this agent you know what you're dealing with. you can see what medicines could be effective, and can you make vaccines, so we read the code of life of that agent, and this is exactly what we did in a real life outbreak this summer in germany when there was an e. coli outbreak. we read off its genome and scientists at the cdc and around the world knew exactly what they were dealing with and how to deal with it >> and the machine you have there with you, the technology exists to do this, but what you have there allows to you do it much quicker? >> yes. this is actually the first time that we have a machine that can help with an outbreak in realtime, so there's been two outbreaks recently, the e. coli outbreak many people know about in germany and another outbreak in the netlands and in both cases scientists within days were able to decode that genome which has put that sample on this chip, put it in the machine and the data was out in digital form on the internet and scientists around the world were able to work on that and understand it and do something about it. >> all right. and to wrap up with you here, a movie like "contagion," when things like that come out, do you all get concerned that oh, my goodness, this is really going to stoke fears, or are you happy that, hey, this will raise awareness and maybe people will start asking more questions and protect themselves better and be more aware? which is it? >> it's so important for people to be prepared and know how to protect themselves and their families. the past couple of weeks we've seen a lot of big emergencies, hurricanes, fires and people really do need to be ready so as a physician and a public health expert i hope people know how to prevent coughs and how to prevent respiratory infections from spreading, covering their cough and sneeze, washing their hands, staying away from other people when they are sick and making sure they are up to date on vaccines, but, of course, it's not appropriate to panic. we know that we can be prepared, and there's information at cdc's website that can help people know how to keep themselves and their family safe. >> doctor, again, that machine you see there, i heard it describes -- looks kind of like a picture, it does. it takes pictures and can help stop disease a lot faster these days. thanks so much from being here. enjoy the rest of your day, as we get close to the top of the hour. pile steinhauser is up next with a breakdown of last night's gop political debate. mom? 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[ engine revs, tires screech ] mom? ♪ let's say hello to our deputy political director paul steinhauser at the political desk in washington. paul, hello to you, kind sir. everybody is talking about that debate last night. >> reporter: you got it. eight people on the stage but it seemed that two dominated all the action and were in the spotlight more than the rest. talking about texas governor rick perry and former massachusetts governor mitt romney. they went after each other over jobs and social security and illegal immigration and a host of other issues, and that battle between the two, well, it hasn't stopped even though the debate is over. today romney's campaign putting out an e-mail elise explaining why rick perry is wrong on social security. now, we may hear more from rick perry in a few minutes. he's going to be in front of cameras at an event in orange county, california, and t.j., round two probably only just a few days away. remember, there's another presidential debate, tampa, florida, monday. it's a cnn/tea party republican debate at 8:00 eastern so i think we should be tuning in for that one. there could be more fireworks, don't you think? >> we assume there will be, and who knows who we'll be talking about after that debate, but after each of the debates somebody is getting headlines. it was perry this time. one debate it was michele bachmann, but nobody was talking about her this morning necessarily or seemed like nobody was really talking to her last night. >> she didn't get a lot of questions or air time last night, so maybe this is why this morning, maybe, she announced, guess what? after the president's address tonight in front of congress on jobs creation, she's going to hold a news conference, and we know the congresswoman from minnesota is not a big fan of president barack obama and how he's handled the jobs and economy, so maybe she'll be getting more of the spotlight tonight and, of course, she will be at tampa as well with the rest of the candidates on monday night. t.j.? >> paul steinhauser, always good to see you. thank you so much. we're coming up on the top of the hour here. we are an hour closer to president obama's speech this evening coming up at 7:00 eastern time tonight. of course, catch it right here, but this speech tonight, a lot of expectations. the president talking about jobs, job creation and how he's going to get the economy back on track. some of it is already starting to trickle out, at least what the president might be proposing. part of it $300 billion in new investments and tax breaks to be offset by cuts and tax increases elsewhere. also, 100 billion or more could go for infrastructure, roads, bridges, airports, schools. he may also call for an infrastructure bank providing low-cost loans to get repairs and construction off the ground. he's also expect the to push for an extension in the payroll tax break that almost every american worker now gets. he may propose as well new tax breaks for employers who hire veterans and the long-term unemployed. the white house is saying right now, hey, there is no way republicans can't get on board with this plan. >> all of these ideas are bipartisan in nature. they are the kinds of things that republicans and democrats have broadly supported in the past, and, therefore, given the fact that they are paid for, given the fact that the economy needs help and that americans need help, congress should act right away and get it done. >> all right. this has been the burning issue, at least a few weeks ago it was. it was the debt. hasn't dropped completely off the radar. today we saw the very first meeting of the bipartisan congressional super committee. remember that name? it's supposed to come up with at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction by thanksgiving. now, this committee has 12 members, six republicans, six democrats. if they vote along party lines, we've got a problem here, so to get anything done there will have to be at least one person who votes with the other side. we shall see, but that work is just now beginning. that's our backdrop. let's start with two of our cnn colleagues now, senior writer for cnnmoney.com and gloria borger, our chief political analyst. both have written columns that we'll certainly hope you check out online. i'll start with you, gloria. expectations are pretty high for the president just because of the stage he'll be on this evening. but does it really matter in the speech necessarily? it matters that the policies get this country going and get that unemployment rate down and get people back to working? >> sure, but, you know, the stage does matter. the venue matters because people are expecting big ideas, and the question is whether the president will add to what we already know which are ideas that have already been out there, t.j. look, this is a president who raised the expectations himself for this event. there is nothing more focusing than a joint session of congress, and i've been talking to senior white house aides, and what they tell me is, look, they did this purposefully, that this is essentially a challenge to the congress. it allows the president politically, if you will, to distance himself from the congress, to lay down a gauntlet and to say, okay. here's my plan. some of these things you've approved in the past. if you don't approve them now, you're going to have to explain to the american public why, because they want action. >> jane, to bring you in here, and you're writing with this debt, this debt debate. seems like that was so long ago, it wasn't, but now this super committee getting to work, and they got some tough decisions ahead as well. >> right. they had the first meeting today. all the members made opening statements. six democrats and six republicans evenly divided between the house and senate. there was no big surprises in their statements, but what i noticed is that everybody did seem to indicate that they heard what americans said this summer which is we are in fact fed up with the way congress is working, and you guys better get serious and deal with these problems. in addition though, everybody also said we have to deal with jobs. in fact, jobs might even need to come first, but how democrats see the need to deal with that and how republicans see the need to deal with that in the committee it's likely different. we'll wait and see about how they will address that particular issue. >> gloria, back to the president's speech and some of the policies he's going to propose. did he come up with something bold in your opinion, from what we've heard so far? bold that he believes is going to get the country going, or did he have to come up with something that he thinks can get passed? >> well, i think the latter. i think that a decision was made that it had to be kind of a little gold locks goldilocks proposal, not too hot, not too cold, something we've talked about before. this often helps, things get leaked out, and there could be something we don't know about yet. i think the president's strategy is to say, look, this is bipartisan. some of these things you have approved in the past. some of them will be very difficult to vote against, like an extension of unemployment insurance, for example, and if you don't, have you to come up with a plan of your own and tell the american public why you won't vote for this. but the bottom line and the truth of the matter, is t.j., they don't have an awful lot of tools in their toolbox right now. you're talking about a $300 billion ticket item. it's not in the grand scheme of the economic problems we have. there's not that much they can do right now to get this economy moving, but the president can't go out there and say oh, by the way, i don't have a lot of tools left, right? >> i don't think we'll hear the president say that this evening, but part of this whole debate, the conversation that will be going tonight after the president's speech and with the super committee is going to be taxes. how are taxes going to play into the debate? >> well, again, all the members today said, you know, we have to do tax reform. there is bipartisan agreement that the tax code is really ridiculous. not bipartisan agreement on how necessarily to address it. what some fiscal experts were saying this week at an earlier event is that the committee will probably recommend that they curb some tax breaks, but they won't necessarily do all out reform, but what they might do, what they should do according to the fiscal experts is have a two-stage process so they make a few tax changes in their proposals to congress, and then they say we're going to issue super, you know, rules that you have to abide by. congress should have to do tax reform by some date certain in the future and it should be an expedited process. that's what experts are hoping will come out of this. everybody will be on the edge of their couches this evening, at least watching this speech. >> we'll be up there. >> 7:00 eastern time is when it happens. coverage of the president's address by the best political team on television starts though at 6:00 p.m. eastern time, 3:00 pacific right here on cnn. let's turn now to a little weather, shall we? what's left of tropical storm lee. still leaving behind a trail of historic flooding along portions of the northeast and also has left three people dead. you're seeing some of the damage here, but it's like this really across large parts of the region. thousands of people just learned they have to evacuate today. central pennsylvania being hit particularly hard. up to 125,000 people there have had to leave their homes. let's turn to our mary snow who is in pennsylvania for us, and i guess that's a fair way to characterize it, mary, historic flooding they are seeing there. >> reporter: yeah, t.j., officials are getting more alarmed as the day goes on you only need to take a look at the susquehanna river behind me to see why. right now it's about ten feet above flood stage, and it's expected to crest tonight between 8:00 and midnight at 41 feet. that's basically what this levee can hold. it was built in 1992 after hurricane agnes devastated this area. we're talking to the mayor of wilkes-barre, tom layton. mr. mayor, thanks for joining us. has this levee really been tested before? >>extent, but it has been tested. we're confident that the dike will hold. we're concerned. >> police are coming by telling people to head for higher ground. your biggest concern? >> people are not listening it our public officials, fire, police, dpw, county sheriff department. get out of your property if you're in a flood plain. it's for your own good and safety. >> you remember hurricane agnes in 1972. >> yes, i do. i remember it as if it was yesterday >> reporter: how does this compare to the rising waters then? >> very alarming. we're really concerned. in 1972 i was a 12-year-old young man. you know, it was devastating that not only wilkes-barre city and the greater wyoming valley. wilkes-barre has 16,000 people that work in the downtown monday through friday. if the city gets flooded, we lose a major employment area. >> reporter: you're pretty confident that this levee will hold. >> we're confident and must keep the faith. >> reporter: thank you for your time, mr. mayor. t.j., one thing the mayor was saying is rising correction and streams a hill bit more inland. some of those residents that have been evacuated, this is the third time in two weeks that they have been told to leave their homes because of rising water. >> all right. mary snow there in pennsylvania. going to be a rough few days there. thank you so much. also, a massive wildfire near austin, texas. it keeps spreading. two people dead there. 1,400 homes destroyed. the fire is 30% contained at this point. so far it's burned 34,000 acres, forced 5,000 people to evacuate. this fire is one of a number of fires that have been burning across texas which is seeing some historic drought conditions there. up next here, systematic abuse at one of the country's largest police departments. the details when i come back. are you curious about new ideas? do you want to learn a new language, or just a new word? maybe you want to know more about anatomy, or astronomy. you could master something new, or uncover a hidden talent. there's never been a better time to learn. well, it's one of the largest police departments in the united states, and apparently the officers there have been systematically abusing their power. that's according to a report just released by the justice department. among other things, it found officers in puerto rico routinely squash people's constitutional rights, use excessive force and unnecessary force that often fail to investigate reports of sex crimes and domestic violence. reaction now today from reaction. danya, tell me first how long has this been going on allegedly? >> reporter: good afternoon, t.j. well this -- the investigation dates back to incidents that occurred back in 2007. however, according to the head of the civil rights division of the u.s. department of justice, thomas perez, he -- he was in puerto rico in 1989, and he actually saw a lot of situations and a lot of allegations of civil rights violations, so we're talking about, you know, more than a decade in the making. >> we're getting reaction from the police department there? >> as a matter of fact, the police superintendent was not at the press conference early this morning, and after insistent calls from our part and a few other local press, he ended up giving press -- a mini press conference about an hour ago, but i can certainly tell you, t.j., that he didn't give too many details. he didn't go into details about the report. he never admitted to the excessive use of force on behalf of the police department, and he was pretty much giving a lot of the same answer in a variation of forms. >> what's supposed to happen now though with this investigation? could charges come against anybody in the police department? would they be reprimanded? what happened? >> well, according to the u.s. department of justice, what's going to happen now is that they have asked the puerto rico police department and the government of puerto rico to submit a plan of action, a plan of action to reform the puerto rico state police meaning that a lot of things have to change. among these is the police -- police and practices. one of the most important things in this report is that the standards and practices within the police department are obsolete. they are old, and they don't comply with modern standards on how to police and how to enforce, you know, the right thing and order so that's the next step is to work after this plan of action is submitted. the next step would be to work in conjunction with the u.s. department of justice, puerto rico's department of justice and the puerto rico state police in order to reform the entire police system. >> all right. dania, thank you so much from san juan today. we're a quarter past the hour now. how exactly is the tea party movement impacting the presidential campaign? 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[ female announcer ] nature fusion from pantene. hair so healthy it shines. >> well, the tea party has plenty of attention lately, but just how influential has the group really been on republicans running for president or on the national agenda. joe jones taking a look. >> reporter: in the republican race for the president, everyone wants a piece of the tea party these days. rick perry talks like a man already in the club. >> i've heard people say, you know, you tea party types, you all are angry. we're nottagery. we're indignant. >> reporter: michele bachmann talks like an insider, too. >> the tea party has been the best antidote to the out-of-control spending that we have seen. rather than dissing the tea party, we should be praising the tea party. >> reporter: ron paul was tea party before there was a tea party. >> why don't we just obey the constitution once again. that would solve so many of our approximate. >> vote for mitt. vote for mitt. >> reporter: while mitt romney sounds more like a guy on the outside trying to get in. >> i'm devoted to shrinking the size of government and encouraging the growth of the free economy. i think i'd get great support from the tea party. >> reporter: this would be the first presidential election to witness the effects of the tea party movement, and so far the movement's biggest idea, that the government and its spending need to be scaled back now, have dominated the national political conversation. >> those are the issues that are not just animating the republican primary. i think they are actually defining the concerns of americans right in the middle of the political spectrum today. >> reporter: true, but it's mostly about the republican contenders right now, and everybody knows it. though tea partyiers don't like all what have they see. mitt romney's state-run health care program when he was governor of massachusetts looks a bit too much like the president's health care plan for many. rick perry's moderate record on immigration is a potential drag on his tea party support. >> and many mainstream republicans question michele bachmann's potential to pull off a win in a general election. and speaking of questions, while the tea party movement has been great for republican energy, it has also produced candidates so unorthodox that voters eventually rejected them. think kristine o'donnell in delaware, and that's where they get labeled extreme, though they say what's extreme is the result if we don't get the government under control. senator mike lee was elected with strong tea party support. >> it's a reaction to extreme circumstances that exist within our federal government. again, $15 trillion debt, extreme. increasing debt, accelerating it at a rate of 1.5 trillion a year, that's extreme. >> reporter: paul showed the tea party hit took a hit in popularity after the congressional showdown over raising the debt limit. movement organizers call it the cost of leadership though it could be an early sign of trouble with the presidential election more than a year away. joe johns, cnn, washington. >> and next month the republican debate, the next one at least. cnn hosting with the tea party express and several other tea party groups coming from tampa, florida, site of the 2012 republican national convention. that's monday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern, 5:00 pacific. maybe you're looking for investment ideas. maybe art is the way to go? that's ahead in this week's "q&a." well, art as an investment? with all the global economic uncertainty going on, you might be looking to diversify your portfolio, but is art really where it's at? ali velshi and richard quest take that on in today's "q&a." >> quest means business and so does my good friend ali velshi. we're here together in the cnn newsroom and around the world. good day to you, sir. >> hello, richard. we're here to talk business, travel, innovation. nothing is off limits, and today we're talking about investments, in particular investing in the masters, painters, sculptors, inventers, those kind of masters, rid of. >> they say a picture says a,000 words. i'm going to show you this picture, and i've got four words for you, richard. nude, green leaves and bust. that, by the way, is the name of this picasso which on may 4, 2010, set the all-time record for a work of art sold at auction, $106.5 million since you asked, my friend. art is doing well, but that doesn't mean you and i should be invested in t.2010 was one of sotheby's most profitable in history, but, richard, 2007 was even more profitable as the rich took their money out of stocks and put it into things you can hold and lock at and touch. fine art in general, my friend, according to one index that tracks sales was up 16.6% in value in 2010 which is better than the broader stock market did, but generally speaking older, more expensive art does better than new cheap art because those old art efforts aren't around to dilute the value of the art by making more of it so that makes art specifically as an investment the domain of the wealthy. and -- and that doesn't include us, richard. >> all right, ali velshi, with your single miserable little picas picasso. to look at the art world, would you think that it is all this selling for $140 million or maybe a renoir in seven figures or perhaps a monet. think again. the history of art is an investment. it's mixed at best. while some of the famous ones do make for good purchases, there are the exception. the majority of art does not return a good investment when compared to stocks. look at the index. in the past 25 years, art has rushed returned roughly 6% a year, and that assumes you bought the right piece of art. stocks do better, nearly 10%. it's much easier to invest across a wide range of stocks. art has bubbled, 5085 to '90 and 30% a year and crashed back in the 1990s, 65%. forget about the funds, require a minimum investment of around $250,000. the art market is difficult. never mind this sort of art, ali. ultimately the only thing you should ask yourself is do i want to put it on my wall? by karney, age 4 1/2. >> that's worth something. the only thing i have to ask you how much you paid for the fancy glossy printer because all i have in new york is one that does this. yours are fancier than mine. >> hey, what can i say. let's see what we both know about art. time to bring in the voice. hello, voice. >> hello, gentlemen. obviously richard has the better printer. now you're both worldly gentlemen so let's find out what you really know about art. which artist's painting sold for the highest price ever? is it a, jackson polak, b, pablo pick co? held on one second. is it willem dekuhning or "d, andy warhol? >> ali. >> b, pablo picasso, nude, green leaves and bust. >> no. >> well, that would be wrong. >> you've go the to look at the question. it's the question and that may have been -- the highest price ever. >> the highest was the jackson pollock. >> that looks like nothing. what is that? what did he paint? it looks like a field of wheat. >> ali, that is called number five. >> okay. richard up 1-0. now to question number two. going to museums is a must for many world travelers. so what i want to know is which art museum welcomed the most visitors last year? was it a, the louvre in paris, b, the british museum in london, c, the metropolitan museum of art in new york, or, d, china's national art museum in beijing? >> it's a trick question. >> this is a trick question, and i'm thinking the trick question means that they think we're going to say china so i'm going for the louvre, a. >> ali, you would be correct. >> again, he went first. >> we tricked the trickers. >> it was the louvre with 8.5 million but the newly remodeled museum in china expects 10 million visitors next year. we're tied at one. >> next year we'll do it differently. one more. >> number three, what is another accepted name for art investing? is it a, masters investing, b, passion investing, c, beauty investing or, d, artiste investing? >> go ahead, richard. >> all right. i'm going to go for artiste investing. >> i'm sorry, ali, your chance? >> i'm going to go with a, masters investing. >> all right. gentlemen. >> one more time here, voice. >> all right. we're trying -- >> it's got to be passion, b. >> that's not allowed. >> ali, on second thought, have you won the game. it is passion investing. great game, gentlemen. >> passion investing, thanks. very good, voice. thank you very much. always a pleasure to do business with you. >> you broke the rules. all right. that will do it for this week. we're here each week on quest means business. >> and at cnn newsroom at 2:00 p.m. eastern. keep the questions coming on our bl blogs. tell each of us which week what you want to talk about. hey, richard, see you next week. enjoy my art. >> see you next week. 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wildfire near austin, texas, keeps getting larger and larger and larger. two people are dead, at least. 1,400 homes destroyed. so far the fire has burned 4,000 acres and forced 5,000 people to evacuate. this fire is one of a number that have burned across texas. also a federal sweep is targeting dozens of nurses and doctors for alleged medical fraud. 91 people have been charged from mirmy to los angeles. attorney general eric holder talked about the sweep in washington yesterday. the suspects are accused of ripping off taxpayers with nearly $300 billion in phony medicare bills. the indictments include fraudulent schemes involving medical devices, home health care, mental health services and psychotheir. a legal victory for the obama straights's health care reform law. a federal appeals court has dismissed the lawsuit by the state of virginia over the constitutionality of that law. the richmond-based court is the second federal appeals court to uphold the constitutionality of the patient protection and affordable care act, that's the official name. the law includes a provision that requires most americans to buy health insurance by 2014. the matter is still going to have to make its way ultimately to the supreme court. jury selection under way in los angeles in the trial of dr. conrad murray. he's the cardiologist charged with unvoluntary manslaughter in the death of michael jackson. up to 450 potential jurors are set to report for the selection process between today and monday. jackson died june 25th of 2009 of an overdose of the anesthetic drug propofol. prosecutors claim that murray used a makeshift iv drip to administer the drug in a way that violated standard care and ultimately led to jackson's death. and this just into us. the criminal trial of former presidential candidate and senator john edwards has been delayed until january. it was scheduled to start next month. edwards faces criminal charges relating to nearly $1 million in payments allegedly made to support his mistress. also this evening, as you may know, the season which many thought was in jeopardy with the whole lockout situation, all of that is over. the season begins tonight. kickoff between the green bay packers and the new orleans saints coming your way a little after 8:30 and, of course, after you watch the president's speech tonight at 7:00. former new mexico governor bill richardson on a mission to cuba. we'll tell you what he's doing there. that's next in "globe trekking." former new mexico governor bill richardson is in cuba. he was invited there by the cuban governor to help secure the release of jailed american contractor alan gross who was there in cuba in 2007 working as a subcontractor for the u.s. agency of international democracy. gross says he was trying to help connect the jewish community with the internet and was not a threat to the cuban government. last month cuba's highest court upheld the 15-year sentence imposed on gross. cnn's shasta darlington following this store for us in today's "globe trekking." does the governor have a chance of succeeding here? >> reporter: well, t.j., there are a lot of people who think he does. he arrived yesterday on this surprise visit, and, remember, he's here to secure the release of alan gross, a man that the cuban government accused of importing communications equipment, satellite communications equipment illegal in cuba supposedly with the aim of trying to connect dissidents to the internet. now, we don't have any details about these negotiations so far, but i did chat briefly with richardson, and he says he doesn't want to comment about his mission or say how long he'll be in cuba but that he might have comments for us at the end of the visit. we also talked briefly with the head of the national assembly here, and he said that he doesn't know why richardson is here and he's not a for tune teller so he doesn't know who he'll go home w.but the reason that there's hope here, that people are optimistic is because of the timing. as you mentioned, the legal proceeding is out of the way, so a lot of people think that now there's actually some room for president raoul castro to perhaps allow alan gross to leaf on humanitarian grounds. this is richardson's second visit. he was here last year when he met with officials. after him former president jimmy carter came to town. he also met with the top officials. they both went home empty-handed, but the idea is now this is where the president could timely step in. you have to remember gross is a 62-year-old man. according to his wife he's lost 100 pounds in jail, and his mother and adult daughter are battling cancer, and he himself told the courts, listen, i was duped and used. he didn't say who by, but he said he respects the sovereignty of cuba, so the feeling is that there's actually some room for president castro to step in and say, yes, we'll release him on humanitarian grounds. >> all right. shasta darlington for us there in havana, shasta, thank you, as always. we want to check some other stories making headlines right now. we start in libya where loyalists to moammar gadhafi fired on opposition fighters as they advanced toward one of gadhafi's last strongholds there, the rebel forces on a reconnaissance mission when they came under fire. meanwhile, a spokesman for the new tripoli military council says gadhafi is cornered with no means of escaping. the spokesman would not reveal where gadhafi is supposedly holed up, but he said the ousted libyan leader is surrounded within a 37-mile radius. also, a city in northern mexico -- in northern mexico city rather, i should say, is planning to train its citizens to shoot guns. garcia mayor jamie rodriguez calderon says the training is designed to help put a stop to crime in the town on the texas border. rodriguez himself has been the target of two assassination attempts. so far about 3,000 residents from garcia and nearby cities have signed up for the course. also, a time of remembrance in russia. the nation mourning the deaths of dozens of international hockey players in a plane crash yesterday. 43 people were killed when the plane went down just after takeoff. the aircraft was carrying a hockey club to a game that was happening in belarus. many of those on the team had ties to the u.s. national hockey teams. they had declared three days of maurng in t mourning in the region. you've heard from the republican presidential candidates. you'll hear from the president tonight, but coming up main street america has some serious questions about how their politics will translate into more jobs. stay with us. when i got my medicare card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare 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told our poppy harlow. >> i'm not an economist, not what i do, i sell appliances for a living and i do what i do best and that's what i'm sticking to and i hope that's what the government does what they do best. we rely on them, the president and the congress. the bickering back and forth. it's definitely hurting the consumer confidence which trickles all the way down to main street and they need to fix that right now. >> i'm not very optimistic, but it's like, you know, there's nothing you can do. it's out of our hands, the individual people. i mean, we can't even borrow money anymore. the banks are tight with the money. they won't loan out money. we're the small business guy here and, you know, it's tough. health insurance for the family is a big burden on us, and when the increase in taxes and health insurance and everything, it's just almost impossible to keep goi going. >> as the economy slows down, we do cut staff. that's what we did in the past year. we were very quick to cut staff, and that's the one thing that me and my partners spoke about. if the fall happens the way the fall of 2008 did, we'll have to cut staff immediately. >> what's going to mean for my children in the future? i don't know. that's what makes me nervous. this is kind of the lost generation is what i'm calling it right now. what's it going to be? i think that the government really needs to look at main street and don't forget about us, you know, really take care of america. it's time to focus on america. >> all right. poppy harlow with me from new york. some of those opinions we heard there pretty much a consensus. >> reporter: mm-hmm. absolutely. what it says from all those business owners and other ones that we spoke with there's a lack of confidence, a lack of confidence that washington can get it together, t.j., that washington and the leadership is going to guide us out of this. they are all looking at president obama tonight. it may be an address to the joint session of congress, but it's really also an address to the american people saying there is the leadership you need that is going to come from washington, and it's interesting. we don't know exactly what the plan is going to be, that the president will outline tonight. what we're hearing is that it will be somewhere between $300 billion and $400 billion. we're hearing a big chunk of that will be an extension of the payroll tax cut to help the average american spur spending, and we're also hearing that a big part of it is going to be tax incentives for business owners, just like the ones you heard from that will encourage them to hire, whether it's hiring veterans, hiring the chronically unemployed, people that have been out of work for six months or long their are very hard to employ, that's what we're expecting to hear from the president. the question is the incentive going to be enough to cause those business owners to be confident enough that the economy is going to turn around that they in turn are going to hire, t.j.? that's the big question going into tonight's speech. >> the big question, are we hopeful? have we seen any indications that whatever the president says something will benefit small businesses but specifically target the towards them? >> reporter: i think it's different depending on which business owner you ask. some are more hopeful than others. overall when we look at country and where consumer confidence stands, it's at the lower level since 1980, when carter was president. confidence overall is not high. when you look at whether it's going to be enough or not, cnn money actually polled a number of economists, and a lot of them told us that they don't think even a $300 billion package would necessarily be enough to get consumer spending to where it needs to be to push gdp significantly higher. our -- our growth of a country relies 70% on what consumers spend. we all know americans are saving more than they have in decades, not spending as much. that makes it very, very tough for the economy to recover. of course, we don't know -- we don't even know exactly what the president is going to propose, but it's clear that business owners want some very clear direction from washington, even what gets proposed tonight, t.j., as you well know, has to make it through congress and get that bipartisan support. >> we'll know in a little over four hours. poppy harlow, always good to see you. coming up next here, nasa wants to go back to the moon. they were supposed to be on the way right now, but a big launch was scrubbed just a few hours ago. stay with me. e well, nasa delayed today's launch of a moon research mission. they had some weather issues. they say they will try this again tomorrow, but what are they hoping to accomplish on this mission? well, john zarella reports now from cape canaveral, florida. >> reporter: nasa's attempt to launch twin probes to the moon was delayed by 24 hours today because of unacceptable weather conditions. now, it may surprise you. it certainly surprised me that despite the fact that we've sent people to the moon, we really don't know what it's made of, and that, they hope, will be answered when these probes get there. the moon, okay. so we've established it's not really made of green cheese. the apollo astronauts bagged up more than 800 pounds of rock and dirt. >> well, here it's a bit firmer. >> reporter: what about all that stuff? isn't that what the moon is made of? well, that's just what's on top of the fact is we really tonight know what's beneath the surface. >> the part of lawnary understanding that we don't yet have is what's inside the moon, so to really understand the moon and understand what makes it special we need to study what's inside. >> reporter: to do that, nasa is embarking on a unique mission called grail, two space probes will fly one behind the other in identical orbits around the moon. the gravitational tug on the probes changes as they fly over various features, mountains, valleys or masses hidden bloat surface. measuring the change gives scientists in essence a lunar cat scan. that's right. imagine, a cat scan of the moon. >> it provides us essentially with a picture of the lunar interior, just like you would make a picture of the inside of your body. >> it's theorized the that the debris was formed after a collision between the earth and another giant body. if that's the case, it will give scientists a better understanding of how the inner planets of the solar system were formed. and in a first, nasa will dedicate instruments, in this case cameras, on the probes, exclusively to education. middle school students and teachers can go to the moon cam website and request a lunar surface location to be photographed. >> and i think once they begin to look at detailed images when they go out in their backyard and look at the moon, they will look at it in a whole new way, and i think that's priceless. >> reporter: the pictures will be posted in a photo gallery on the internet. there are four cameras on each of the two probes. now, for students and teachers around the world, all you have to do is go to moonkam and sign up to get some pictures of your own from the moon. john zarella from the kennedy space center in florida. >> and can you tune in tomorrow at cnn to catch that launch live. expect it sometime between 8:33 and 9:12e68 a.m. eastern time. as we get closer to the top of the hour, mark preston will join us to break down last night's gop political debate. your political update next. that helplessness again. i l [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. talk to your doctor, and take care of what you have to take care of. well, at last night's gop debate governor mitt romney was asked if he was a member of the tea party. listen to his answer. >> i believe in a lot of what the tea party believes in. the tea party believes that the government is too big, taxing too much, and that we ought to get to the work of getting americans to work. so i put together a plan with a whole series of points of how we can get america's going again. tea party people like that, so if the tea party is for keeping government small and spending down and helping us create jobs, then, hey, i'm for the tea party. >> senior political editor mark preston joins us from the political desk in washington. mark, always good to see you. after these debates they are always debating again who won, who lost. so, what are folks saying today? >> reporter: just watching last negotiate's debate, i don't think there was a clear win their came out of there, but what has become apparent this is now a two-person race between rick perry and, of course, mitt romney who we heard right there. let's tick through the candidates talking about mitt romney first. he stayed above the fray last night. he showed that he was presidential, t.j. he didn't really engage in name-calling back and forth with the other candidates, although he was able to take some digs at them, so it was a successful night for him. rick perry, going to be a little bit careful because his biggest weakness is also his biggest strength, and when we say that rick per denever be considered a flip-flopper. he stands by his previous positions. however, what he said about social security, how it was such a big problem, that's certainly not going to play very well with seniors so he might have to alter to seniors if he wants to play to seen injuries as his campaign progresses. michele bachmann, has no mojo left. that's what it appears like last night. rick perry has taken all the wind out of her sails, won the iowa straw poll. needs to regain momentum. interesting to see if she does that on monday when we're down in tampa for the republican tea party debate and jon huntsman is trying to gain some traction. he's very low in the poll. 1% to 2%. jon huntsman needs to have a little bit more push in his arguments against the other candidates. he needs to sting them a little bit more. his attacks were not very sharp. got to tell you this, t.j. while the gloves were taken off for a little bit last night in that debate out in ronald reagan

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