Transcripts For CNNW CNN Democratic Presidential Debate 20190731

500,000 americans every year going bankrupt because of medical bills. 30,000 people dying while the Health Care Industry makes ten its oz of billions in profit. Five minutes away is a country called canada. They guarantee health care to every man, woman and child as a right. They spend half of what we spend and by the way when you end up in a hospital in canada, you come out with no bill at all. Health care is a human right, not a privilege. I believe that. I will fight for that. Sglrls congressman delaney. Well, im right about this. We can create a universal Health Care System for basic health care for free but we dont have to be the party of subtraction and tell itting half the country that their insurance is illegal. My dad Union Electrician would never want andun to take that away. Half of Medicare Beneficiaries have Medicare Advantage, which is private insurance or supplemental plans. It will underfund the industry and its bad policy. And i want to talk to you in one second but sen itter sanders. The fact of the matter is tens of millions of people lose their Health Insurance every single year when they change jobs, when their employer changes that insurance. If you want stability, a system with freedom of choice with regoord doctoro or hospital, which is a system that will not bankrupt you, the answer is to get rid of the profitingeering of Drug Companies. What im talking about is simple. Deal with the tragedy of the uninsured and give Everyone Health care as a right. No one is the party thats what their are running on. Theyre running on 2telling hal the kwuntry your insurance is illegal. We can give Everyone Health care and allow people to have choices. Thats the american way. Senator warren. So lets be clear about this. Were the democrats. Were not about taking health care from anyone. Thats what the republicans are trying to do. And we should stop using republican talking points in order to talk with each other about how to best provide that health care. Now i want to have a chance to tell the story about my friend, addy barken. 35 years old, a wife, a cute little boy named cal and als and its killing him. And he has Health Insurance, good Health Insurance and its not nearly enough. Im staying with you. But you exceeded your time and so let me stay with you on medicare for all. At the last debate you said youre quote with bernie on medicare for all. Hes said people in the middle class will pay more in taxes though that will be offset by the elimination of insurance premiums and other costs. Are you also quote with bernie on raising taxes on middle class americans to pay for it. So giant corp ragszss and billionaires are going to pay more, middle class are going to pay less out of pocket for their health care and id like the talk about addy, the guy with als. This isnt funny. This is somebody who has Health Insurance and is dying. And every month he has about 9,000 in medical bills his Insurance Company wont cover. His wife, rachel is on the phone for hours and hours begging please cover what the doctors say he needs. He tox l talks about what its like to go online with thousands off other people to beg friends, family and stranges for money so he can cover his medical expenses. The basic profit model of an Insurance Company is taking as much money as you can in premiums and pay out as little as possible in Health Care Coverage. That is not working for americans across this country. And thats why ill fight for it. In 15 extraseconds would you raise taxes on the middle class to pay for medicare for all . Yes or no . Costs will go up for billionaires and corporations. For middle class families, total costs will go doung. Health care is still purse nool all of ous. Never forget when my 12 yoeltd son had a heart attack. Had to be flighted to Salt Lake City but because we had good insurance hes here with me tonight. Im not going to support any plan that rips Quality Health care away from individuals. This is a example of wigts list economics. It used to be republicans who want to repeal and replace. We can get there with a public option, negotiating drug prices i want to bring in mayor buttigieg and how do you respond . So we dont have to stand up here speculating about whether the public option or medicare for all will be better. We can put it to the test. Thats my concept of of my medicareer for all who want it proposal. So if people like me are right that its go being more comprehensive and more affordable, well see americans walk away thrum Corporate Options into that medicare option and it will become medicare for all without having to kick anybody off. Er 15 seconds on the clarification. You are willing to raise taxes on middle class americans with the disappearance of insurance premiums . I think you can buy into it. Look, this is a distinction without a difference whether youre paying the same money in the form of taxes or premiums if you dont have health coverage, youre paying to rr much for care and if you do, youre paying to rr much for care. And whats your response . The answer is no. The middle class will not pay more in order to insurance that every american is guaranteed World Class Health care. I think were boo eing offered a faults choice. Some who want to improve at the margins and one that will force people off of private insurance. Medicare for america. Everyone whos uninsured is enrolled tomorrow. Those insufficiently insured are enrolled and those who have employersponsored insurance whos offering a false choice . Others talking about taking peoples choice away or members of unions congressman, not at all. Er it took us decades of false starts to get the Affordable Care act. So lets actually build on it. A public option allowing anyone to buy in. We pay more for Prescription Drugs than anyplace in the world. We got nothing to show for it. Negotiate for prescription prices. Thats the way we can get there without disrespecting the lives of 160 Million People who like their employersponsored Health Insurance. Everything ive seen still sees millions uninsured and people arent guaranteed the health care they need. Our plan insured that everyone is enrolled in medicare or can keep their employersponsored insurance. When we listen to the American People, they want aev within covered but they want to be able to maintain choice and our plan does that. I want to bring in senator klobuchar. Sen itt senator warren said democrats cant win with small ideas and spinelessness and those not supporting medicare for all, simply lack the will to fight for it. Is senatorter warren correct . Do you not lack the twiel fight for it thats incorrect. I just have a better way to do this. I was called a street fighter from the iron range. I said thank you. So this is what i think we need get done. We need the public option. Thats what barack obama wanted and by the way, i dont buy this. Ive heard them say its not moral if you not moral to not have that public option. Senator sanders was actually on a public option bill last year and that was the one that senator iter shots introduced. Clearly this is the easiest way to move forward quickly and i want to get things done ive got my friend nicole whose son actually died trying to ration his insulin as a restaurant manager and he died because he didnt have enough money to pay for it and weve worked on farm suital we can get less expensive drugs. The author of the medicare bill, let me be clear on one thing is pipal talk about having insurance. There are millions who do who cant go to the doctor and when they come out of the hospital they go bankrupt. What i am talking about and others up here are talking about is no deductibles and no co payments. And your question is a republican talking point. And by the way, by the way the Health Care Industry will be advertising tonight on this program. Thank you, senator sanders. Please. They will bed averrers it itting tonight with that talking point. We have to think of this in terms of the big frame. It works great for the wealthy and those who can hire lobbyists and lawyers and for the insurance can companies the Drug Companies. What its going to take is real courage to fight back against them. These Insurance Companies do not have a godgiven right to make 23 billion in profits and suck it out of our Health Care System. They do not have a godgiven right it says it will kick aev within off off their insurance. The public option is great but it doesnt go far enough. It doesant go far enough. Im proposing universal health care but they have choices. My plan better care is fully paid for without raising middle class tax options. So theres medicare for all, which is extreme. I want to bring in senator hickenlooper. And those not in favor off medicare for all lack the political will to fight for it it. Obviously i disagree with that as much as i respect the senator its to my right. Americans being used to being able to make choices and i think proposing a public option that allows some form of medicare that is a combination of Medicare Advantage and medicare but People Choose it and if enough choose it, it expandsx the cost comes down and eventually in 15 years you can get there but a evolution, not revolution. Senator warren. We have tried this experiment with the Insurance Companies and what theyve done is sucked billions out of our Health Care System and they force people to have to fight to try to get the Health Care Coverage that their doctors and nurses say that they need. Why does every doctor, why does every hospital have to fill out so many complicated forms . Its because it gives Insurance Companies a chance to say no and to push that cost back on the patients. Thats what we have to fight. How do you respond to the criticism from senator warren that youre not willing to fight for medicare for all . I dont know if senator warren said that about me specifically. I admire very much what senator warren and bernie have said. I have to say im normally way over there with bernie and elisz bgt on this one. I hear the others and i have concern about that as well and i do have concern about what the republicans would say and thats not just a republican talking point. I have concern that it will make it harder to win and that it will make it harder to govern. Because if thats our big fight, the republicans will so shut us down on everything else. Time to stop worrying about what the republicans will say. If its true that if we embrace a far left agenda theyre going to say were crazy socialists. If we embrace a conservative agenda, theyre going to say were crazy socialists. So lets stand up for the right policy and defend it. Not because i think its the right triangulation, but because i think its the right it choice for my mother in law who was far too vulnerable to the fact that the Insurance Company does not care. Lets be clear what this debate is about. Nobody can defend the d dysfunctionality of the current system. The last 20 years the drug and Insurance Companies have spent 4 and a half billion dollars of your Health Insurance money on lobbying and Campaign Contributions that is why people pay 1 10th the price in canada for insulin than they are in the United States. Your response . So here we are in detroit, we have all our Union Friends tonight. This plan being offered will tell those Union Members who gave away wages in order to get Good Health Care that theyre going to lose their health care. This is the left and right thing. Now and better is this. Move medicare down the 50. Allow people to buy in. Kaiser permanente said if those 60 million do that, they will see a 40 reduction in health care costs. Let businesses buy in. Lets talk about that. If medicare for all is enacted. The are Union Members in michigan forced to give up their private Health Care Plans. I understand it will provide universal coverage but can you guarantee the benefits will be as good as the benefits their union reps fought harder to negotiate . They will be better because medicare for all is comprehensive and it will finally include dental care, heari hearing aids and eye glasses. You dont know, bernie. I do know. I wrote the dam bill. And second off all second of all many of our Union Brothers and sisters, nobody more Employee Union are doing high co payments. Instead of having the company put money into health care, they can get decent wage increases which theyre not getting today. I want to bring in congressman meyers. Sanders does not know all the Union Contracts in the United States. Im trying to explain theyre losing their jobs, the world is crumbleing around them the only thing they have is possibly really Good Health Care. And the democrat deic message i were going to take it and do better. Its bad policy and its certainly bad politics. So the bill that senator sanders drafted by definition will lower quality in health care because it says specifically that the rates will be the same as current medicare rates and the data is clear, medicare does not cover the cost of health care. It covers a80 of the cost of health care and private is 120 . Wealthy people buy their health care with cash and the people forced, like my dad, the Union Electrician will have that Health Care Plan taken away from him and forced to get an underfunded system. Right. Under medicare for all the hospital will save substantial sums of money because theyre not spending a fortune doing billing and the other bureaucratic thicks they have to do today. Second of all maybe you did that and made money off of health care but our job is to run a nonprofit Health Care System. Third of all when we say 500 billion a year by ending all of the incredibility complexities that there driving every american crazy trying to deal with the Health Insurance companies, hospitals will be better off than we are today. Its wrong. His map is wrong. Its been well documented if all the bills were paid at medicare rate, then many hospitals in this country would close. I ask rural hosadministrators one question if all your bills were paid at the medicare rate last year, what would happen . And they say we would close but the question is why do we have to be so extreme . Why cant we give Everyone Health care as a right and allow them to have choice . Im starting to think this is an antiprivate sector strategy. And widespread agreement on this stage on the need for Immigration Reform, a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants including dreamers. But there are some areas of disagreement. Mayor buttigieg youre in favor of a law that will make it illegal to cross. Right. Er illegally crossing the border will still be illegal. We can argue over the finer points on what should be handled by criminal law or civil law but we have a crisis and its not a crisis of immigration but its of cruelty and incompetence thats created a humanitarian disaster on our southern border. It is a stain nonunions of america. And weve been talking about the same framework for my entire lifetime. Protectionses for dreamers, and a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented. We know that Border Security can be part of that pack nl and we can still be a nation of laws. The problem is we havent had the will to get it done in washington and now we have a president who could fix it in a month boss there is that bipartisan agreement but he needs to do be a crisis rather than an achievement. That will end on my watch. You did raise your hand you do want to decriminalize crossing the border . If fraud is involved, thats handled under the criminal statute. But this shows exactly what is were not doing that here. Congressman orourke, you live in el paso and disagree on decriminalizing legal Border Crossings. Please respond. In my administration after we have waved citizenship fees, more than 900 million, and free dreamers and stopped criminally prosecuting families and children for seeking asylum and refuge and forprofit detengsz and assist those countries in sechberal america so no country has to make that journey, they follow the laws and we reserve the right to criminally prosecute if they do not. You say making Border Crossings a crime is unnecessary. The problem is right now the criminalization statute is what gives donald trump the ability to take children away from their parents, its what gives him the ability to lock up people at our borders. We need continue to have Border Security but what we cant do is not live our values. Ive been to the border. Ive steen the mothers, the cages of babies. We must be a country that every day lives our values and that means we cannot make it a crime when someone comes here. Would you decriminalize illegal Border Crossing . Yes. The point is not illegal criminalization. That is what has given him the righting to rip families apart. The frustration with whats going on in washington is theyre can kicking the ball back and forth. Sdhur borders, make sure whatever law we have doesnt allow people to be snatched from their parents and put in cages. How hard can that be . We have 107 years of washington experience. Somehow that seems like that should be fairly fixable. And one way is to decriminalize. Thats the whole point. What were looking for here is a way to take away the tool that donald trump has used to break up families. Senator klobuchar. I would say there is a will to change this in congress. Whats missing is the right person in the white house. I believe immigrants dont diminish america, they are america and if you want to do something about Border Security, change the rules so people can seek asylum in those northern countries. Then you pass the bill and what the bill will do is greatly reduce the deficit and give us the money for Border Security and border process the cases and most off all it will allow for a path to citizenship kbauz this is not just about the border. Donald trump wants to use these people as political pawns when we have people all over our country that simply want to work and obey the laws. Senator sanders, you want to provide undocumented immigrants Free Health Care and college. Why wont this drive even near come to the u. S. . Well have Strong Border protections. But the main point i wanted to make is what trump is doing through his racism is demonizing a group of people. And as president i will end that demonization. If a mother and her child walk thousands of miles on a dangerous path, in my view they are not criminals. They are people fleeing violence and i think the main thing were try doing do among many others. We have to ask ourselves why are people walking 2,000 miles to a strange country where they dont know the language. The first week we are in the white house is bring the entire hemisphere together to talk about how we rebuild honduras, guatemala and el salvador so people dont have to flee their own can countries. About 2 3 of democratic voters for the nomination support giving Health Insurance to undocumented immigrants. You havent gone that far. Why not . I think this shows how often the debates are detached from our lives. If we decriminalize entry, give health care to everyone, well have multipleess of that. Dont take my word. That was president obamas Homeland Security secretary that said that. The biggest problem with immigration is donald trump. Hes using immigration to not only rip apart families but rip apart this country. We can actually get to the point where we have safe borders, where we have a path to citizenship, opportunities for dreamers. And you dont have to decriminalize everything. What you have to do is have a president s with the judgment and decency to treat someone that can comes to the border like one of our own. He just said your plan is unrealistic. How do you respond . I think what we have to do is be an america clear about what we want to do with immigration. We need create a path for citizenship, not just for dreamers, but for grandmas and people that have been working in the farms for stud pts that have over stayed their visas. We need fix the crisis at the border and a big part of how we do that is we do not play into Donald Trumps hands. We wants to stir up the crisis at the border because thats his overall message. Theres anything wrong but you are playing into Donald Trumps hansds. The challenge isnt that its a criminal offense to cross the bortder. The challenge is donald trump is president and using this to rip families apart. The same immigration system needs a sane leader and we can do that without decriminalizing, providing health care for everyone and thats obamas Homeland Security secretary saying it it will cause further problems at the border not making it better. Your are saying ignore the law and laws matterer. It matters if our law says we will lock people up who come here seeking refuge, who come here seeking asylum. That is not crime and as americans, what we need do is have a sane system that keeps us safe at the border but does not criminalize the activity off a mother fleeing congressman ryan, are sanders proposals going to incentivize undocumented imdprn undocumented immigrants to come here illegally . You should at least ring the door bell. I saw the kids in grand rapids. It is shameful whats happening but donald trump is doing it and even if you decriminalize, which we should not do, you still have statutory authority, he could still use his authority to separate families. So weve got get rid of donald trump. But you dont decriminalize them walki walking into the United States. Of course we want to welcome them if theyre seeking asylum and undocumented people can buy health care too. Eve everyone else is paying for their health care. I dont think its a stretch to ask them to also pay for their health care. A sane immigration policy moves the comprehensive Immigration Reform, it moves to a humane border policy in which by the way we have enough administrative judges so we dont have the incredible back logs we have now. I happen to believe when i talk about health care, its a human right, that applies to all people in this country. And under a medicare for all single payer system we could afford do do that. Everything were talking about tonight is whats wrong with american politics and the Democratic Party needs understand we should talk about symptoms and causes. When were talking about health care, we need talk about more than just the Health Care Plan. We need realize we have a sickness care rather than a Health Care System and why so many chemical and agriculture and Environmental Policies and economic policies are leading to people getting sick to begin with. Thank you, miss williamson. Lets talk gun violence. One that left three dead and 12 injured at Food Festival in gilroy. Other than words of comfort, what are you going to do to stop this epidemic of gun violence . This has hit my community far too many times. Its the worst part of being mayorer is getting the phone call and consoling grieving parents. We have a Mass Shootings worth of killings every day in this country. What year doing hasnt worked because we havent had a system in washington capable of delivering what the American People have told us they want. 90 of of republicans want universal background checks and red flag laws that disarm mental abusers and an end to assault weapons, things like what i carried overseas in uniform that have no business in neighborhoods in peace time. A 13yearold asked me what we were going to do about School Safety and i began shaking and crying and we can talk about the pallacy. The only thing i could thing of is were supposed to be dealing with this so you dont have to. High school is hard enough without having to worry about whether youre going to get shot and when 90 of americans want something to happen i disagree with his diagnoses well get to you. Governor hickenlooper. Another place where despite our best efforts we cant seem to make any progress. When i went to the Movie Theater in aurora in 2012 and saw the footage of the crime scene, ill never forget it and we decided we were going to go out and take on the nra and we passed universal background checks, limited magazine capacity. We did the basic work that for whatever reason doesnt seem to be able to get done in washington. This isnt just about a system or words. This is about the nra. I sat across from the president of the United States after parkland because ive been a leader on these issues and have a fwiel close a boyfriend loophole and nine times he said he wanted universal background checks. The next day he meets with the nra and he folds. As your president i will not fold. I will make sure that we get universal background checks passed, the assault weapon ban and do something about magazines and understand when that little 6yearold boy died, steven romero, when his dad said hes only six years old, thats all i can say is hes six years old. We have to remember that. This is the exact same conversation weve been having since i was in high school. I was when junior when the columbine shooting happened. We have now produced the second shooting School Generation in this country. I was part of the first generation. We all know theyre the right thing to do. They wont save every life or stop every incident but we know what troodo and it has not happened. What is broken is a political system that allows the nra and other large big money to come in and make things not happen when the majority of people are poor. The people are with us now. After parkland they talked to their dads and grandpas and hunters and said there must be a better way, then we elected people in the house of representatives and they passed universal background checks and now that bill is sitting on Mitch Mcconnells doorstep because of the money and power of the nra. I will take them on. This is not about systems and words. Governor bull 40 of american households. Im a gun owner, i hunt. Far toer are many people in america, ive been personally impacted. Had an 11yearold nephew shot and killed on a playground. We need start looking at this as a Public Health issue, not political issue. I agree with senator klobuchar, it the nra and not just gun violence. When we talk about climate, Prescription Drug costs, washington d. C. Is captured by dark money, the Koch Brothers and others. Thats been the fight of my career. Kicking the Koch Brothers out of montana. Taking the first case after Citizens United up to the supreme court, making it so elections are about pipal. Thats the way were going to make a change on this is by changing that system and most of the things folks are talking about on the stage were not going to address until we kick dark money and corporate spending out of these elections. Your response. How else can we explain we lose nearly 40,000 to gun violence . No other country comes close and we know what all the solutions are and yet inning has changed. It is because in this country money buys influence and outcomes. The centers for Disease Control and as a president we will make sure we ban Action Committee contributions, listen to people, not packs, people not corporations, people not interests. Sen iter itatorter sanders a sandy hook massacre, if you pass the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow i dont think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies weve seen . What i meant is what president obama said and that nobody up here is going to tell you that we have the magical solution to the crisis. Now kbi have a dminus voting record from the nra and as president i suspect it will be frecord. What i believe we have got to do is have the guts to take on the nra. Back in 1988 coming from state that had no gun control i called for the ban of the sale and distribution of assault weapons. I lost that election. I will do everything i can not only to take on the nra but to expand a Great Universal background checks, and do away with the strawman provision and do away with the loopholes that now exist for gun manufacturerers who are selling large amounts of weapons into communities go doing gangs. Still the conversation weve been having the last 20 years. Of kos we need to get money out of of politics. But when i propose the Structural Reforms that might make a difference, amend constitution if necessary to clear up Citizens United and have d. C. Be a state, people look at me funny as if this country with were incapable of structural reform 347 this is country that once changed the constitution so you couldnt drink and changed the back because we change our minds and youre telling me we cant reform our democracy in our time . We have to or well be having the same discussion 20 years from now . You can even in montana we passed a law that said youre going to spend money in our eelections. I dont care if you call yourself americans for america for america youre dpo doing have to disclose every last one of those doctors. If we could get the Koch Brothers out of montana, we can do it everywhere and were also taking additional steps that weve taken, i passed an executive order thank you very much. The issue of gun safety is that nra has us in a choke hold and so do the pharmaceutical companies and fossil fuel companies and defense contractors and none of it this will change until we pass a kaungs tuesdayal amendment or legislation that establishes public funding for federal campaigns but for politician including some of my candidates that have taken hundreds of thousands from the same corporate donees, to think they now have the moral authority to say were going to take them on, i dont think people should be surprised so many believe yaudau yaudau yaudau. Its time we start with people who have not taken donations from these corporations and can say with moral authority that is over and were going to establish public funding for campaigns. We need kaurna constitutional amendment and until we do so its the same old same old. The debate will be right back after this short break. 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The word malpractice. Negligent, improper, illegal activity for doctors, lawyers or public officials. Donald trump is malpractice personified. Why it is it soy bean farmers need ten good years to get back where they were two years ago . Why wr are the manufacturing jobs that were supposed to come back . Why are we lurching from one crisis after another . We got to focuses on that and economy and jobs and training so we can prom asfuture everybody wants to invest in. Senator sanders. Every poll i have seen has me beating donald trump including the battleground states of michigan, where i won the Democratic Party, wisconsin where i won the democratic primary and pennsylvania and the reason were going to defeat trump and beat him badly is because hes a fraud and a phoney and were going to expose him for what he is. People want a living wage, 15 bucks an hour. I helped lead that effort. The American People want reasonable prices for Prescription Drugs. I want to bring you back to respond. I think if were going to force americans to make these radical changes put your hands up. But you havent implemented the plans. Were the ones that have to pick up all the pieces. The government is supposed to take over all these responsibilitieses. You cant just spring a plan on the world and expect it to succeed. I was a mayor and i helped transform my city. I have some practical experience. Today is the anniversary of medicare 54 years ago, under Linden Johnson and a Democratic Party they started a new program after one year, 19 elderly people in it. Please dont tell me in a four year period we cant go from 65 to 45, to 35. This is not radical. This is what virtually everithinger country on earth does. We are the odd ball out. Youre from the state of ohio. A state that voted twice for obama and went to President Trump twice in 2016. I would say Hillary Clinton was winning in the polls too. To take snap shot today and apply it 16 months from now i dont think is aciate. Weve talked about taking private Health Insurance away from union mem brsz in the industrial 34midwest and Free Health Care to undocumented workers when so many are struggling to pay for their health care. I dont think that is an agenda we can move forward on and win. We focus on them and well win the election. And theres a new battleground state, texas and it has 38 Electoral College votes. And matter how red or rural, we did not write you off no matter how blue or urbanx we did not take you for granted and we did not trim our sales. Talking about universal health care, comprehensive Immigration Reform and tackling the challing chg of climate before its too late and now we have a chance to win with texas. Were talking about whether democrats are moving too far to the left. Donald trump won your state . Only one who actually won a trump state. 35 of my voters voted for donald trump. I know vee to win back some of those places and get the trump voters back if were ever going to in. But this isnt just a choice between left and center and these wish list economics or thinking that we have to sacrifice our values to actually win. What folks want is a fair shot. The way i with won, the way we can win is focus on the economy, democracy. Thats how i win. Senator warren, you make a point to say youre a capitalist. It is my way of talking about i know how to fight and i know how to win. I took on giant banks and i beat them. I took on wall street and ceos and their lobbyists and lawyers and i beat them. I took on a popular incumbent senator and beat him. I remember when barack obama said he couldnt get elected and donald trump couldnt get elected but heres where we are. I get it. Theres a lot at stake and people are scared. But we cant choose a candidate we dont believe in just because year too scared to do anything else and we cant ask other people to vote for a candidate we dont believe in. Democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fright it. I am not afraid. And for democrats to win, you cant be afraid either. Congressman delaney, your response. So i think democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises. Had we run on things that are workable, not fairy tale economics. This city is turning around because there government and private sector are working well together. We need to encourage collaboration and focus on those Kitchen Table issues, improving their pay, creating universal health care and lowing drug prices. I dont understand why anybody goes to all the trouble to run for president of the United States to talk about what we cant do and shouldnt fight for. I dont get it. Giant corporations that have taken our government and that there holding itting it by the throat. And we need to have the courage to do fight back against that. Im ready to get in and fight and win. When we got into Social Security, we didnt say pensions are illegal. I started two companis and took them public with when i was 40. But i also believe we need have slugszs that are workable. Can you imagine if we tried to start Social Security now but said private pensions are illegal. Thats the equivalent of what senator sanders and warn are proposing with health care. Thats an idea dead on approval. That will never happen. Why dont we talk about things that can get done. The stakes are too high. Sen itterter warren. He talks about sluzs that are work withable. We have tried medicare, medicaid and private shurngs. And what have the private Insurance Companies done . Sucked billions out of our Health Care System. Made everybody fill out dozens of foms. Why . Not because theyre trying to track your health care. They want one more excuse to say no. Insurance companies do not have a godgiven right to suck money out of our Health Care System and 2020 is our chance to stop that. Detroit was mentioned and im delighted theyre rebounding and they were nearly destroyed because of awful trade policy that allowed corporations to throw workers out on the street as they moved to lower wage countries. Froors defeat donald trump, which is not going to be easy, we need a campaign off energy and excitement and of vision. We need bring millions of young people into the political process in a way weve never seen by making public colleges and universities tuition free and canceling student debt. Thank you, senator. At the beginning of the night you said youre going to hey a lot of promises and previously when asked about primary opponents im not going to make promises to get elected . Everyone wants to get elected but my point is this i think when we have a guy in the white house that has told over 10,000er lies that we better be very straight forward with the American People. Do i think were going to end up voting for a plan that kicks half of america off their current insurance in four years . I think theres a better way to get what we all want to see, which is lower cost for health care. Do i think that were going to vote for free college to the wealthiest kids . No, i dont think thats what were going to do. But what i dont like about the argument right now, what i dont like about it at all is were more worried about winning an argument than an election. I think how to win is to bring everyone with us and yes, kblb one in a state every single time state wide i have won those congressional districts that donald trump won by over 20 points. He just targeted minnesota last week. And i do it by talking to people and bringing metro people with me in the state that has the highest voterer turnout in the country. Thats what we want. Congressman orourke. I think a big part of leadership is delivering on our commitments. When i learned the el paso va had the worst wait times in the country meaning it became care denied and arrelated to the suicide epidemic, we took that lesson nationally and we got it sign under to law with the one person on whom i agree on almost nothing, donald trump, to show we will put the American People first before party, before any other concern. Weve been asking voters to weigh in on what theyve most want to debate. Congressman delaney, you say the Green New Deal is about as realestic as saying mexico is going to pay for the wall but Scientists Say we need essentially eliminate fossil fuel by 2050 to avoid the most catastrophic consequences. Why isnt this sweeping plan realistic . It ties its progress to uth things like universal basic income. So that makes it it harder to do. My plan gets us to net zero by 2050 which we have to do for our kids and grand kids will get us there. I put a price on carbon. Tlak the money and give it backing the American People in a divdnd. That was on a bipartisan basis and the only significant bipartisan climate bill in the congress. We fundamentally have to innovate our way out of the problem. I want direct air capture which take carbon out of the atmosphere because i dont think well get to net zero by 2050 unless we have those things. And im going to create something called the climate core. Thats a plan thats realistic, a bet on the u. S. Private innovation economy and creates incentives to get us to net zero by 2050 for our kids. Sen itter warren, youre a co sponsor for the Green New Deal. So Climate Crisis is the existential crisis for our world. It puts every living thing on this planet at risk. I have a plan for a green industrial policy that takes advantage of the fact that we do what we do best and that is innovating. So i propose 2 trillion so we do the research. We say anyone can use it so long as you build it right here in america. That will produce about 1. 2 Million Manufacturing jobs right here in michigan, right here in ohio, right hooer in the industrial midwest and the second thing we will do is then sell those products all around the world. Right now for every 1 the United States spends trying to market around the world china is spending 100. Governor hickenlooper. I think the guarantee for a public job for everyone is a classic part of the problem. Its a distraction. I share had it urgency of everyone up here. We have to recognize everyone has good ideas. Its no longer a best practice. What we do is a best practice and a templet but its got to be done all over the it world. Weav weve got to build bridges with people like china. Work on that but what if the tariff system. We need every country working together if were going to deal with Climate Change in a realistic way. Senator warren, your response. I put a real policy on the table to create 1. 2 million jobs in green manufacturing, a 23 trillion world wide market for this. This could revitalize huge cities across this country. And no one wants to talk about it. What you want to do instead is find a republican talking point of a made up pieces and say we dont really have to do anything. Thats the problem weve got in washington right now. It continues to be a washington that work withes great for oil companies, just not for people worried about Climate Change. Were in michigan where all it are 180,000 works in auto manufacturing. Your state of ohio has around 96,000 it rr. A new bill that would eliminate new gas power sales, given the number of automanufacturers in your state how concerned are you . If we get our act together, we wont have to worry about it. My plan is to start making things in the United States that would null private sector to dominate the electric vehicle market. China dominates it now. I want tuse dominate Battery Market and cut the work withers in on the deal and solar panels. China dominates 60 of the solarer panel market. This person will report directly to me and were going to start making things again. But we need convert our industrial agriculture system to a regenerative agriculture system that sequestered carbon into the soil. And you can ask Allen Williams who actually make money off of regenerative agriculture so we can move away from all the subsidies from the farmers. They havent made a profit in five years. And get good money into our school and communities. Thats another part of the conversation we didnt have. How do we talk about health . Stead of just disease care . I get a little tired of democrats afraid of big ideas. Republicans are not afraid of big ideas. They could give a trillion dollars in tax breaks to billion airs and bailout the crooks on wall street. So we cannot take on the fossil fuel industry and nothing happens unless we do that. Here is the bottom line. We got to ask ourselves a simple question. What do you do with an industry that knowingly bought billions in shortterm profits is destroying this planet . I say that is criminal activity that can that inbe allowed to continue. I would just say i didnt say we couldnt get there until 2040, bernie. You dont have to yell. All im saying is we have to invent our way out of this thing and if were waiting for 2040 for a ban on gasoline vehicles, were screwed. So better get busy now. So im saying get a chief manufacturing officer and align the environmental incentives with the financial incentives and make sure people can make money off of the new technologieses moving forward and cut the worker in on the deal. Make sure these are union jobs and i will double Union Membership to make sure they pay what the old fossil fuel jobs pay. On this issue, my friends, there is no choice. We have got to be super aggressive if we love our children and want to leave them a planet habitable. I dont disagree with him. We have to take on the fossil fuel industry, and b, we have to transform energy away from fossil fuel and a lot of Good Union Jobs if we do that. We have to transform our Transportation System and lead the world because this is not just an amare cancon issue. You know all of us agree we have to address Climate Change. Republicans wont even acknowledge Climate Change is real and thats boss of the corruptive influence of money and second is we transition to this clean energy economy. And far too often democrats sound like theyre part of the problem. We got to make sure to aid in those transitions as we get to a carbonneutral world which i think we can do by 2040. Who is part of the problem . No, i think democrats, often when theyre saying the fossil fuel industries, the workers, the coal mine workers look, the worlds changes and we got to make it change. But i think democrats often sound like the pipal as congressman ryan say theyre part of the problem and far toomany communities are being left behind as we make this transition. We can talk about competing plans i want to give senator sandersers a chance to respond. Nobody more strongly for a worker than i am. What i am also talking about is a just transition. What we can create and the green new idea is aboutx itser a bold new idea. We can create billions of good paying jobs and rebuild rural america. So we are not antiworker. We are going to make sure they have new jobs, health care and education. Your response. Look, bernie, i was a union labor worker. I fought day after day and i know that we set this up as a false choice far too often. Are we going to address climate sdmachg fire seasons are 80 days longer in the west . Or are we going to give people a better shot at better life . We can do both but lets have the scientists drive this and not just talk about plans writton for press releases that will go nowhere else if we cant even get a republican to acknowledge the climates change. Ive listened to scientists and theyre very clear we dont have more than ten years to get this right and we wont meet that challenge with half steps or half the country. We have to bring everyone in. The people in detroit and flint want the challenge. They want those jobs and to create the future for this country and the world. The can Community College students understand that wind and solar jobs are the Fastest Growing jobs in the country and those farmers in iowa say pay me for the Environmental Services of keeping more land in conserivation easements. Thats how we meet the challenge, we do it with everyone in the country and bring everyone into the solution. We have all put out highly similar visions on climate. It is all theoretical. We will deal with climate if and only if we win the presidency. If and only if we beat donald trump. Nominate me and you get to see the president of the United States stand next to an american war veteran and explain why he chose to pretend to be disabled when it was his chance to serve . And well have a different conversation about why the president of the United States thinks youre a sucker when the problem in your life is your paycheck is not going up nearly as fast as the cost of housing or education or the kausz of Prescription Drugs and hes done nothing thank you. Senator klobuchar, i want to ask you about something that cnn heard from a Michigan Democratic primary voter. Kimber from burmiirmingham, michigan. What is your plan so another flint, michigan doesnt happen . I was just in flint and they are still drinking bottled water in that town and that is outrages im the first one with an infrastructure plan and i did that because riltsz its a bread and butter issue. I think governor ran on the slogan fix the dam roads. I thipg we need not have a president who promised he was going to do that on Election Night and didnt follow through. He blew up a meeting that white house. I would pay for it by, first all of changing the Capitol Gains rate and doing something about the aggressive tax bill that really made his maralago friends richer, as he promised and i would take that money and put it it into rural broad band and you dont see that africanamerican neighborhood most hit when you have those recent rain storms. And i truly believe if were going to move on infrastructure and Climate Change, you need a voice from the heartland. My response on the flint water crisis is flint is just the tip of the iceberg. I was recently in denmark,subsic where theres a lot of talk about it being the next flint. We have a administration thats gutted the clean water act. We have disadvantages communities suffering from environmental injustice. What happened in flint would not have happened in rose point. This is part of the underbelly of racesism. The entire conversation were having, if you think any of this is going to deal with the dark force that this president is bringing up in this country, then im afraid the democrats are going to see some very dark days. We need say it like it is. Its all over this country, particularly people of color, pla particularly people who dont have the money to fight back and if democrats dont start saying it it, then how will they feel were there for us and thdonald trump will win. How do you convince primary voters youd be the best nominee to take on President Trump and heal the racial divide in america . Well call his racism out for what it is and talk about the consequences. It doesant just ofentd our se e senseabilities to say send her back because shes a muslim american. And when he calls mexican immigrants rapists and criminals or people with every tradition of faith. It is also kwhiecchanging this country. Hate crimes are on the rise. On the day he signed the executive border attempting to ban muslim countries, a mosque was attacked. We need insure we dont just tolerate or orespect our differences but that we embrace them. Thats what we learned in el paso, my home town one of the safest in the country. We will show can diversity is our strength. Governor hickenlooper. Core values behind this entire countrys history is working towards a more Perfect Union that more people are created equal. I think the job is incumbent on any one of us to make the kung vincing case that we can deliver an urban ajebdau thgenda that r college and schools. We had universal prek for aev kid in the sit a. Why is it five years after ferguson we still dont have anything . You got to deliver a vision like flat the whole country. Sen ittator warren. Rayes how are you going to combat the rise of White Supremacy . We need call it out for what it is, domestic terrorism and it poses a threat to the United States of america. The president is advancing environmental racism, economic racism, criminal justice racism, health care racism. The way we do better to fight back and show something better. So i have a plan on education that says we have to build a better Education System for all our kids but we got to acknowledge whats happened on race. So my plan has universal Tuition Free College for all of our kids. But also increases the pell grant and putting more money into historically black colleges and universities and cancels Student Loan Debt and lets help close the black white wealth gap in america. From diversity in police force to housing policy. How can you convince africanamerican cans you should be the nominee . As an urban mayor serving a diverse community, the racial divide lives within me. Im not saying i became mayor and racism or crime or poverty ended on my watch but we have come together repeatedly to tackle challenges like the fact that far too many were not getting the help they needed in their housing, so we directed it to a historically underinvested africanamerican community. Our community is moving from hurting to healing by making sure that community can participate in things like revising the use of force policy and making sure there are Community Voices on the board of safety. I propose a douglas plan because mays have hit the limit of what you can do unless theres national action. Systemic racism has touched every part of American Life from housing to health to home ownership. You walk in an emergency room and youre black, your reports of pain are taken morer seriously. If youre black, youre less likely to be called because of the name on the resume. Its why i propose investing from red line neighborhoods and senator klobuchar. What do you stie trump voters there are people who voted for donald trump before and arent racist and wanted a better economy. But i dont think anyone can justify what this president is doing. Little kids woke up and turned on the tv and saw the president calling their city nothing more than a home for rats and i can tell you as you president that will stop. The second thing i would say is that Economic Community means Economic Community for everyone in this country. I know that because i have lived it. That means when we put out bitter child care and education and make sure theres a decent retirement cy retirement system in place, they have been the ones most hurt by what weve seen in the last decade. But we help everyone. What i say in rural parts of my state like i say to them in the city and bring them together is that Economic Opportunity must be there for everyone. I want to acknowledge something were all touching on which is the wealth we have built was literally on the backs of those kidnapped and brought he by force. The legacy of slavery and segregation and jim crow is alive and well in every aspect of the country. As president i will sign into law a new Voting Rights act, address Health Care Disparities and sign into law Sheila Jackson lees reparations bill so we can have the National Conversation weve waited too longing this country to have. Speaking of reparations, miss williamson, many of your opone nlts support reparations of slavery but youre calling for financial assistance. What makes you qualified to determine how much owed . Not in financial asisterance 500 200 to 500 billion payment of a debt owed. Thats what reparations is. We need deep truth it telling. We dont need another commission to look at evidence. It is time for us to simply realize that this country will not heal. The country is a collection of people. They heal when theres deep truth telling. We need to recognize when it comes to the economic debt between blacks and whites it does come from a great injustice that has never been dealt with and that has to do with the fact that there were 250 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of domestic terrorism. What makes me qualify snd ill tell you what . If you did the math of 40 acre oofz mule and the number of slaves at the end of the civil war and they were promised 40 acres and a mule for every family of four, today it would be trillions of dollars and i believe anything less than 100 billion is an insult and i believe 200 to 500 billion is politically feasible because so Many Americans realize theres an injustice that continues to form a tox isty, an emotional turbulence that only reparation thank you. Senator sanders, you dont think Cash Payments are the best way to address the issue but 73 africanamericans are in favor to black descendants of slaves. I respond by saying i am supportive of jim cliburns legislation called 102030. That understands that as a result of slavery and segregation and institutional racism we see in health care, in education, in financial services, we are going to having to focus big time on rebuilding distressed communities including African American communities. In terms of education, i have a plan called the thugood marshal plan and it would trim funding for title one schools. Make sure teachers in this country earned at least 60,000 dla year. The debate continues after this short break. Super soft . With the sleep number 360 smart bed you can both. Adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. So, can it help us fall asleep faster . Yes, by gently warming your feet. But can it help keep me asleep . Absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. Will it help me keep up with him . Yup. So, you can really promise better sleep . 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China has been abusing the Economic System for a long time. They steal intellectual property, subsidize goods coming into the country, displace Steel Workers and eroded our manufacturing we basically transferred the wealth up to the top 1 or to china for them to build their military. So i think we need some targeted response against china. You know how you beat china . You out compete them. And thats why i put a chief manufacturing officer in place. We have to rebuild these factories, we have to fill them with workers making electric vehicles, charging stations and solar panels. China dominates 60 of the Solar Panel Market and the electric vehicle market. I want to made in the United States. Thats i have a chief manufacturing officer that will help drive this agenda. As a point of clarification, would you continue the steel tariffs yes or no . I would have to reevaluate but hes bungalled the whole thing. Heres the problem with President Trump he has a tactical move. China has 100 year, 20 year plan. We live in a 24hour news cycle. That spells disaster for the economy and global politics. So President Trump wants to build physical wall beats up on immigrants. Most of the folks running for president want to build economic walls to free trade and beat up on president obama. Im the only one running for president who actually sunorts transpacific partnership. Sen senator it warren just had a trade plan that would prevent us from trading with the allies. We have to engage. For decades we have had a trade policy that has been written by giant multinational corporations to help giant multinational corporations. They have no loyalty to america, no patriotism. If they can save a nickel by moving a job to mexico, theyll do it in a heart beat. If they can continue polluting a plant by moveing itting it to vietnam, theyll do it in a heart beat. I have put out a new comprehensive plan that says were going to negotiate our deals with unions at the table, Small Businesses at the table, small farmers, environmentalists at the table. Human rights activists at the table and then use the fact that everybody in the world wants to get to americas markets. They want to sell to you. Is Everyone Wants to get to americas markets. So the question is how . We need to raise our standards. Delaney. That was the transpacific partnership. President obama was right. He did include Environmental Standards. We cant isolator ourselves from the world, from asia. The plan she put out, we would not be able to trade with the United Kingdom or the eu. It is so extreme that it will isolate senator warren. Senator sanders, please let senator warren respond. Oh, im sorry. What that congressman is describing as extreme is having deals negotiated by American Workers for American Workers. American workers want those job we can build the trade deals that do it. People want access to the markets all around the world, thence and make them pay their workers more, raise their Environmental Standards before they come to us and say they want to be able to sell their products. Right now the whole game is working for the big multinationals. Its just not working for the people here in the United States and we can change that. Congressman orourke, your response. The question was about tariffs. Theyre a huge mistake. They constitute the largest tax increase hitting the middle class and working poor especially hard and farmers in iowa and across the country are bearing the brunt of of the consequences. When have we ever gone to war without allies and friends and partners. Well bring our friends to bear and negotiate trade deals that protect human rights and the environment not just here in the United States youre looking, i believex at the only member of congress who not only voted against these disastrous trade agreements which cost us over 4 million jobs and helped lead the effort. If anybody thinks Corporate America gives one dam about the average american worker, theyre mistaken. If they can save 5 cents going to china, mexico or anyplace else, thats what they will do. As a president , these guys line up at the federal truck, they want military contracts, all kinds of contracts. Well, under my administration you aint going to get those contracts if you throw American Workerse workers on the street. I think congressman delaney has got a point and ftheres a way of looking at trade thats therapeutic. There is not a single example where a trade war had a winner. Trade wars are for losers and the bottom line is lets negotiate a bet trade deal but youre not going to win against china when they have 25 of our total debt and step back and look at trump gives that giant tax cut at the same time and weir are pawing in tariffs and give incredible tax cut to the rich. What is happening is hes transferred that Tax Obligation to the middle class but tarifffes are not the solution. Anyone who thinks these trade deals are mostly about tariffs doesnt understand whautsts go. Look at nafta 2. 0. Es for its to help pharmaceutical companies so they can charge canadians, americans and mexicans mow money and make more profits. Thats what trade deals have becomex a way for multinationals to change the environment so they can suck more prop r profits for themselves and leave the American People behind. We have to have the courage to fight back. Your response. You know theys said to me every time that trump tweets we lose hundreds off thousand oz of dollars. If montana had all the wheat we produce, everyone would have to be 40 loaves of off bread a day. But by the same token what we have is i agree with senator warren with this on part. Workers cant. So Going Forward we need make sure our trade deals are thinking about the workers. But the way to do it with the one instrument off tariffs that president is doing, thats not how ewe get a fair deal for farmers anywhere or the manufacturers in detroit. May, stand by, please. On thursday off this week a gm plant in michigan will stop production. This comes as part of the modernization plans that will result in workers being assigned or itfer this happened in my community 20 years before i was born and when i was growing up, we were still picking up the pieces. Empty houses and poverty. I know what happens when these closures take place and there will be more. Its why we need put the interest of workers first. Of course we should do retraining. But this is so much bigger than a trade fight. This is about the economy changing before our eyes. There are people in the gig conomy that go through more jobs in a week than my parents went through in a liech time. Gig is a jauob and a worker is quirker. We have to respond to all these changes and in addition to confronting tech and minimum wage is just too low and socalled conservative christian senat senators right now in the senate are blocking a bill to raise minimum wage when scripture says whoever opresses the poor taunts their maker. Im coming to you now. Your estimated net worth is more than 65 million. That would make you subject to the proposed wealth tax on the richest 75 homes, households or so in the United States. Do you think her wealth tax is a fair way to Fund Child Care and education . I think wealthy americans have to pay more. First in my family to go to college and created thousands of jobs, supported thousands of entrepreneurs all over this country. And ive done well financially. I think i should pay more in tax. I think wealth amarecons should pay more the real solution is to raise Capital Gains rates. Theres no way reason people who invest for a living should pay more than people who work for a living. Its the biggest loophole in our tax code. And if we raise their taxes, they wont investm. Thats crazy. We roll back the trump tax cuts to wealthy individuals. I think the wealth tax will be fought in court forever and arguably unconstitutional and the countries that have had it have largely abandoned it because its impossible to implement. Real solutions thank you, congressman. So i have proposed the wealth tax. Its now time do that. Its time to tax the top 1 10th of 1 of fortunes in this country. Your first million you can keep free and clear but your 50th and first daughter you got to pitch in 2 cents. What can america do with 2 cents . Provide universal child care every kid age zero to 5. And prek for every 3 and 4yearold, raise the wages of every Child Care Worker in preSchool Teacher in this country, provide universal tuitionfree college, expand pell. Put 50 billion into our historically black colleges and universities and cancel Student Loan Debtd for 95 of the people and start to close the wealth gap in america. It tells you how badly broken the economy is that 2 cents would let us invest in the rest of america. This is not about whether wealthy americans should payo more. Its if you have a real solution, we ecan make it happen you know the last fooz do that was ronald regan. We can raise Capital Gains rate it will double the earned income tax credit. Ive called for expansion of universal prek on high networth individuals. But we dont need new taxes that will be fought in court for years. If i want to respond to this. You talked about how you and your husband are paying down six figures of Student Loan Debt. Under senator sanders proposal to cancel all loan deblt, yous would be immediately wiped away. That would be great for us and the next day there would be a Student Loan Program and people would take stud ntd loans wond withing why they werent lucky enough to get theirs wiped away too. We can have it by expanding pell grants and we can make it more affordable and expand a Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program which is almost impossible to actually get access to right now we can take these steps and have onproach that is actually fair. If we want to start wiping away student debt, start with the forprofit colleges. And the moment i deployed under president obama they were held accountable. Under President Trump under a secretary of education who regrettably is from this state did away with those rules. On my watch those colleges that earn itted dwar ton itted department of education into a preditary lender, we would get rid of. I do but before i get the to that. The major issue we dont talk about in congress or media is it the massive level off income and wealth inekault inequality in a. 49 of all of income goes to the top 1 . Companies like amazon and billionaires not paying one nickel in federal income tax and 500,000 people sleeping on the street. What we need is a Political Revolution that tells these billionaire Corporate America that they are americans, theyll participate in ow society but they have got to start paying their fair share of taxes. Miss williamson, youre proposing to make college free for all qualified students. Should the government pay for wealthier students to go to college . I think policies should be based on the idea that anything we do to help people thrive is a stimulation to our economy. So if a few people take advantage, there are four or five that are going to take the money they have in the bank when you look at this 1. 5 trillion debt this is why i okay with bernie. We have a 2 trillion tax cut where it ges to the very richest among us. That does not stimulate the econam. Think of all the young people that will be able to start their business. The best thing you can do is to get rid of this debt. This is not just about a planx its about a philosophy of governing and i almost wonder why youre democrats. You steam think theres something wrong about using the instruments off government to help people. Thats what government should do. All policies should help people thrive. That is how we will have peace and that is how we will have prosperity. Orourke, you dont support free fouryear college. I support free twoyear college. Earn associate degree and debt free fouryear college. That is room and books and board, the full cost of be able to better yourself so you can better this country and for the School Teacher who in places like texas is working a second and third job, full forgiveness for her outstanding Student Loan Debt and person willing to serve our former Service Members and we dont do that at the expense of unions. We make it easier to join an apprenticeship to earner a skill or trade you command for therist of your life. I want to make it easier for dieds go to college. My problem with some of these plans is they literally would pay for wealthy kids, wall street kids to go to college. Theres no difference. Everyone is free. Im very concerned if we do things like that the debt were going to pass on to the next generation is i would allow people to refinance it at a better rate and make sure we improve those Student Loan Repayment programs for our teachers and expand them so you literally over five ten years can get paid for if you get into occupations where we dont have enough works. I think we need mesh what we were talking about with the economy with our education policies. I want to turn to Foreign Policy now. President trump argued United States cant continue to quote be the policeman of the world. You said exact same thing on a debate stage. How should they expect that you will be any different from him . Trump is a pathological liar. I tell the truth. We have been in afghanistan i think 18 years and iraq 16 or or 17 years. And there are probably more terrorists than before it began. Were going to spend and i will not vote for, a 715 billion military budget, more than the ten next countries combined. What we need is a Foreign Policy that focuses on diplomacy and the conflicts like people sitting at a table not by killing each other. As president of the United States, i will go to the United Nations and not den grade it, not attack the u. N. But bring countries together in the middle east and all over the world. To come to terms with their differences and solve those problems peacefully. The United States cannot be the policeman of the world. How do you respond to senator sanders vision for a role in the world . We share the recognition of the incredible costs. People dont realize half the soemg soldiers that fought in afghanistan and iraq were national guard. Big noisy hangers but i mourned with their families when they didnt come back. Were able to now i call it constant engagement. We should have an International Diplomatic approach where year talking to everybody. We got to be talking to everybody. And tariff war are for losers. I want to turn to the subject of north korea which just hours ago launched two shortrange Ballistic Missile for the second time in less than a week. You said that you would not meet with north korean dictator kim jongun unless you were close to a deal. Senator klobuchar says she would with quote always be willing to discuss policies with leaders. Is that wrong . I think so. I love Amy Klobuchar but i think shes wrong on this one. I dont think president of the United States meet with dictators. We saw what happened with President Trump. Gives him a huge photo op. Global credibility because the most powerful person in the world is meeting with him and weeks later hes lobbing more missiles. That doesnt make any senls weve got to deplmilitarize our Foreign Policy and make sure were engaging these countries all the time. This is very difficult work. Ive been in congress 17 years, i sat on the arm services committee. This is long, tedious work mouch it done outside of the ieye off the tv camera and you have to monitorter that and be disciplined every day. Sit down and do your job and same thing with whats happening in central america. Hes kiting the state department bijt. And where the migrants are coming from, go fix the problem at its source. Your response . I agree. I think you need to leave open the possibility of meeting with anyone at any place. I dont like how the president has handled it. Hes done the go it alone doctrine with the rest of the world. Taken us out of the iran nuker agreement, Russian Nuclear agreement, when he was asked about invading our democracy, he made a joke. Hundreds of thousands of americans have lost their lives on the battle field to protect our democracy and right to vote. Four little girls in birmingham, alabama lost their lives in a church at the it height of the civil rights amendment. So i believe you meet with people but you better have an agenda and put our interests of our country first, not the russians. Mayor buttigieg, you served in afghanistan. There are about it 14,000 u. S. Service members in afghanistan. Quote one thing everybody can agree on is were getting out of afghanistan. With will you withdraw all u. S. Service members by the ends of your first year in office . We will with draw. We have to. In your first year . Yes. Look, around the world we will do whatever it takes to keep america safe. But i thought i was one of the last troops leaving afghanistan. When i thought i wrauz turning out the lights years ago. Every time i see news about somebody being killed in afghanistan i think of what it was like to hear an explosion and wonder if it was somebody i served with, roommate, colleague. Were pretty close to the day where we will wake up to the news of a casualty in afghanistan that was not born on 9 11. I was sent into the war by a congressional authorization as well as a president and need talk not only about the need for a president committing to end an endless war and the fact that congress has been asleep at the switch and i will propose any authorization off military force have to be renewed. Because it men and women have the courage to Service Congress men and women should have the courage to vote removing all Service Members duing your first year in office as president . I would in my first term in office agree there is nothing about perpetuating this war. Already in its 18thing year. Wae weve satisfied the reasons in the first place and its time to bring them back home from afghanistan and from iraq and yemen and somalia and libya and syria. Theres no reason for us to be at war all over the world tonight. As president i will end those wars and we will not send more u. S. Service members overseas to sacrifice their lives and take the lives of others in our name. We can resolve these challenges peacefully. Youvl are save said youre your first term. With all due respect youre looking at the condition of women, youre going to see a humanitarian disaster that will startal and frighten every man, woman and child in this country. We have troops in over 400 different locations around the world. Most are peace keeping. Look at the progress thats happened in the country. Were going to turn our backs and walked away from people who have risked their lives to build a different future for afghanistan and part of the world . You want it to be u. S. Policy that u. S. Will never use a Nuclear Weapon unless they use one first. Why should the u. S. Tie its own hands with that policy . Because it it makes the it world safer. The United States is not going to use Nuclear Weapons preemptively and we need say so to the entire world. It reduces the likelihood that someone miscalculates, someone misunderstands. Our first responsibility is to keep ourselves safe. And whats happening right now with donald trump, as they keep expanding the different ways we have nuclear wepsensx the different ways they can be used puts us all at risk. We talk about whats happening round the world. I have three older brothers he served in the milditary. I see that they would do anything. Our military is it the best on earth. But we should not pea asking our military to take on jobs that do not have a military solution. We need use our diplomatic tools, economic tools and if were going to send someone into war, we better have a plan to get them out on the other end. Sglr your response. I wouldnt want to take that off the table. I think americas strength, we have to be able to say that. Never, i hope, certainly in my term or anywhere else would we even get close to pulling that trigger. But by the same token, americas strength and look, this president s made America First america low our allies no longer drus us. Trust us. But we should be negotiating down so there arent Nuclear Weapons. But drawing the line in the sand i wouldnt do. We dont expand trust around the world by saying no, we might be the first oneses to use a Nuclear Weapon . That puts the entire world at risk and us at risk right in the middle of this. At a time when donald trump is pulling out off our nuclear negotiations, expanding the a opportunities for Nuclear Proliferation around the world, has pulled us out of the deal in iran and iran is now working on its Nuclear Weapon. The world gets cloelser and closerer to nuclear warfare. V we have to have an announced policy that have one the entire world can live with. We will respond if someone else does but not first. Part i agree with but by the same token we need get back to Nuclear Proliferation. Why . At the same time when you actually have korea, others. I dont want to say detroit has to be gone before we would use that. When so many crazy folks are getting closer to having a nucleweapon, i dont want them to to think i could strike this country and we as the United States of america wouldnt do a thing. Part of the strength is the ability to deitter. Sen iter it, please. Moving on now. As you know the president of the United States, you have to be at least 35. So mayor buttigieg, youre 37. The youngest candidate in this field. Next toot you is it the oldest candidate at age 77. Should voters take into consideration age when choosing a president ial candidate . I dont care how old you are. I care about your visions. But i think it matters we have a new generation of leaders stepping up around the world. I actually think its good that the Prime Minister of off new zealand has got a lot of attention. Shes masterful. This is the kind of trend america might be leading, instead of following but only if backed by the right vision. And we can have great president s at any age. We cannot have a vision that amountsz amounts to back to normal. The only reason we got this president is because normal doesnt work. And thing that hassant been talked about as much is take it on his enableers in congress. When david duke it ran for congress ing ran for governor, the Republican Party ran away from him. Today they have supporting naked racism and at best silent about it. If youre watching at home and a republican member of congress consider the fact that when the sun sets on your career and they are writing your story, of all the good and bad things you did in your life, the thing you will be remembered for is in this moment with this president you found the courage to stand up to him or you continue to put party over country. Senator sanders, please respond. Well, pete is right. Its a question of vision. Whether youre young, whether youre old, whether youre independent. And my vision among others things says that if were godoing fight for health care, we dont take money from the Drug Companies or the Insurance Companies. And ive asked all of the candidate whose are running to say they will not accept money from nose tthose inittities, why view are going to war with the American People on health care. Thats a new vision. A new vision says we must cancel completely student debt because the Younger Generation in this country today for the first time in modern American History will have a low standard of living than their parents. Thank you, senator sanders. Second of all you dont know that, bernie. I do know it. I wrote the damn bill. Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren fending off attacks from moderate democrats at the first cnn debate. I dont understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really cant do and shouldnt fight for. The moderate frontrunner takes the stage hours from now. Joe biden joins the next ten candidates in detroit tonight. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. This isari early start. This is christine romans. Nice to be with you. Im