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Live tv, we saw the turning over of that. It was right in the middle of other business. That is not the way we see it. What about the tone of it . It is civil, but that is a little bit different from the two sides and the judge. Well, that is a little bit of the you want a speedy trial, and welcome to the speedy trial, and Terabytes Worth of discovery you can go through prior to the october 3rd start date. But i see that just what we have seen of the judge before in this case taking a methodical approach piece by piece and playing it down the middle. It is not a lot of, you know, bombasts or a lot of the loud voices. It is a, this is how it should be run, and hopefully how it is going to be playing out for the rest of the trial. One interesting nuance that i picked up on is when the Defense Attorneys for chesebro and powell were talking to the grand jurors, they said, look, we are not the kind of grand jurors are going to dox them. And they are aware of it. Yes, because the names are put out there, and georgia allows names to be published. That is Mind Boggling, and i thought that it was an error, and we need to stop doing that, but there is an interesting contrast being drawn, and lets say what it is, we are not the trump team, and we wont do what trump and his lawyers have done. Dig back here. Something is going on here. Go back in. Ready judge, and the state talking about State Versus Douglass and talking about the charges ss can be in both of t indictments, and the state does not believe we should, it has to be crafted very carefully to make sure that we are in line of the statues and the case law. And i believe that we and we have talked about the statues and the safety and all of the cases are in there for the court, but we have to keep it paramount, because they are asked to call the jurors and they have said that we are concerned, and i am handing them another copy of the written response that i gave to the court. But because of the Public Policy and safety, judge, that is another reason that we should not allow this, and finally the lack of authority, and what they said to the court is sigma, and it is Inaep Proep Yat to consider this, when it is not law. They have vacated it and renounced it and it is not something that the court should be considering or thinking about, and there is no authority to what they are asking to do, and the grand jury acted quickly is one of the things as the court said, we dont get into the deliberations with the jury. They can take as long as they like or as short as they like. I understand it raises mr. Grubmans eyebrows, was a true indictment was raised by the grand jury, and they could have taken five minutes or five days or however long, and there is no restriction, and that is 808sup1360. As i stated before, judge, there is a lack of authority for what they are asking to do, and attached in the states brief, you will find in 2010, mr. Arora did the exact same thing, and coming to the court asking for permission, and that is because in 2010 judge earnic in Dekalb County admonished him for knocking on the grand jurys doors, and she had to issue a order to stop that, and we will get a copy of that order and supplement the record for that. And your honor, i will let the counsel respond to the personal attacks, but it is inappropriate. Excuse me, was ms. Young finished . I was not. Okay, we will finish. And judge, we will craft out the things in this piece, and as you have crafted out, and this is something that has been done with your honor, and with the foreperson, they can get whatever information is needed from that one person, and they are the foreperson, but i ask if that is something that it is done, and if the state believes it should be done, and if the state asks for the foreperson to be done, and the state and the court to be done prior to be happening, but it is not be happening, because it is not authorized by law. Your honor, i take extreme exception for ms. Young coming up here to try to impugn the reputation to my colleague, and if i had to list out the number of cases about i will not consider it. It is not part of the record right now. Your honor, my colleague, and this is broadcast live, and this is inappropriate. You can respond to that on your honor and i will and this is not part of the consideration, and if you want to handle that outside of, we will do that. And respectfully, it was said on the record, and i should have the opportunity, and mr. Arora should have the opportunity, and that is completely inappropriate, and there are many times that the Fulton County District Attorney office, and including the members sitting in the courtroom today have been called out by courts by name with inappropriate things they do in the grand jury and trial, and no, i cannot take her word for it that it was done properly, and ms. Young is trying to send my client to prison, and we have the right to know if it was done properly, and she keeps saying there is no case law, but, your honor, there is case law, and instead of creating the powerpoint, and there are briefs and read them. The collins law says that we can talk to the jurors, and the fact that she got up here to lie to the court. Ly n i will not go down tha road. And so, i wish you would have stopped her before defaming my cocounsel. All right. Let me summarize with motion number one with the motion to speak to the grand jurors, i would ask you to supplement the motion, and we can do this since this is something that is going to be crafted and considered, we can just do this off the docket and through email, but a proposal of the questions, the topics that would be gone into, and if we have to follow this into another hearing to hone in on those, we can do that, but for each question or Subject Matter that you go into, im going to want to see a citation for how this is an actual relevant line of inquiry. All right. And then we will get into the logistics from there, because i think that there is a way to accommodate the case law cited about the state about the general secrecy, but still allowing the defense to make sure that the grand jury fulfilled the duty in a way recognized by law. As for the motions to unseal the grand jury transcripts, i believe we mentioned that i will be taking that under advisement, and i have been provided case law. For those first two motions, ms. Young, can you provide a copy of the powerpoint to the defense and me as well, and counsel one and two, were you providing supplemental briefing for what we just got . When you get the case law. Mr. Raferty . No. And the court, if we are on a casebycase basis, if the court will draft what they did today and the last week in the form of a powerpoint, that it is in the form of something that can be read so we dont waste the courts time. Okay. And so that is another checkin of where we are, and few more things on my end before we can talk about the discovery issues and wrap up. Obviously, i think that it may have hit the docket by now, and i think that sometimes there is a little delay, but we filed an order on the severance issue, and then i realized that we did not ask the state about the redacted issue that mr. Arora argued and it is the motion to sever accounts. One moment, suggest. The August 30th Motion for severance and listed several accounts, and he is asking specifically for a redacted motion for trial. The i never got the states position on that one. Your honor, john floyd for the state. Mr. Wooten addressed that originally and he is not here at the moment, and so i will step in and pinchhit. As i recall the nature of that motion, one part of it was to sever individual defendants from each other and from the larger case. The Subsidiary Question was whether specific counts would be severed from the indictment, and i believe that is i believe that is how it was phrased, but where we discussed it evolved into a quote, Unquote Dummy Indictment at the trial of the case which is how i interpreted it. Is that correct . Yes. And i apologize if i did not write it correctly, but you write it out to that is what i am asking for. Separate motions, and different counts substantively. And maybe we address it in a Pretrial Motion in limine, but it is a motion to tailor the evidence but it is more the document that the jury should get. I understand. And if i misunderstood another the last hearing, i apologize, because wiz not trying to add confusion, but the state just for the record dont see any basis to sever out any individual counts as to any defendant, but that is not what your honor is addressing now, and i suggest this is an issue that we can talk about and get to later, but we are still, and i realize, that we are not talking about a lot of days, but we are not yet talking about what is going to go out to jury especially since you are told that you will be getting depositive motions, and so it is hypothetical. I wanted to say that i have not entered a order on this. Is it the states position that we will work it snout. We we would work it out . And i would like to see an order, sort of granted. I would rather not, because it is difficult for us. And other housekeeping, and i wanted to flag it as well, because we are on a compressed time line and we get more into the mechanics of the Jury Selections into the case hearing later this month, and some questions with the Sheriffs Office and that sort of thing, but i wanted to flag that a state had filed a jury questionnaire, and this is appropriate here. Okay. And we will do it. And so, we will have the deadline to submit those questions several weeks beforehand, and so, maybe start to craft those now. I had spoken to mr. Wooten last time, and we did not necessarily agree, but at least talked about the possibility of getting together and trying to craft a questions that we all might agree on, and then having two separate sections assuming that the state wants and we dont, and vice versa to submit it all on the filing for you . That is wonderful for me. And i would like the flag that as i highlight more in the Severance Order that we will make an attempt, because i think that my initial review of this speedy trial case law is that if anyone is uncertain of when a trial commerce, and so we are going to be Making Attempt to have this jury sworn by the deadline of november 5th, and maybe that is meaning a weekend or two is involved, but regardless, i wanted to warn you when it comes to the questions submitted that we have to adopt the clock and the time line and you have so much time per panel, and however you want to see it fit, you can ask 100 questions, but you may not be able to followup on them. So i want to lay out the expectation. On a different topic, a jury is deliberating in federal court, and other judges in new york have done a modified trial schedule, and if you could hear me out if you would like to hear me out for a lengthy trial like this, and the specifics, but they go from 8 30 to like 3 00 or 8 30 or 2 30 or with one 30minute break, and what the judge in that case told us is through years of research is that if you are looking at the transcript pages, you will actually wind up basically getting the same amount of words in at trial and particularly for a lengthy case, the court states at four months without Jury Selection, it is more comfortable, and the court would entertain a more alternate schedule instead of 9 00 to 5 00 which makes everyone more comfortable particularly the jurors who are going to have to be here for maybe the court said eight months, and so between four and eight months, and something to think about. You said modified, you mean shorter day . Starts earlier and fewer breaks and tends to get things done quicker. I was skeptical of it when it was proposed to me in another case, and then actually another lawyer i know just finished a twomonth trial in federal court, and think went on that, and i think it was judge batton went on that schedule, and the jurors absolutely loved it, and the court loved it, and so it is something to consider, if you would. We will see. Initially, you know, the reaction was going to be four full days a week, and wed follow the Aps Precedent of taking likely friday off to handle other business and let the other jurors recover. In terms of a strict we shall have a break at this point in the morning or that point in the morning so far, the jurors personal needs dont run on a clock like that, and we have to take the breaks where they come. So, well see, but the idea is four full days a week when we get into the evidence, but i wanted to flag at this point that voir dire may be different than what we have seen here in the courthouse before by necessary. Yes, we are aware of that, and the case law is pretty clear when a trial starts, and so we are aware of that issue, and we wont do anything to unnecessarily delay it, and it is something that the court picked up on that it is a challenge, and not anyone in Fulton County who has not heard of this case, and i dont know if there is anyone who doesnt have a strong opinion one way or another about the former president and the people who associated with him. So, we recognize the challenges, and we will do Everything Possible to move as quickly as possible, and hope the state will join us in that. Mr. Wade, if you wanted to add something, otherwise, i am going through housekeeping issue. We have every confidence that the court can set a court trial, and we will adhere. I am open any time. And the new motions coming through the door, and mr. Raferty, i am open to the prehearing briefing on the imm immunity, and mrs. Powell has not added to that. I am waiting for the immunity briefing. Yes. That is all i have. Mr. Raferty. I have been in the case for a month and august 30th shortly after i have been in this case, i sent a brady obligation, and as you know, they are independent of the discovery obligation, and they have a due process to turn over to me favorable information and i did not send them some blanket request saying give me everything under the sun, and it was a pointed request on august 30th that addressed two Critical Issues for ms. Powell that she was not behind this incident in Coffey County that forms the inclusion in the indictment, and whatever happened in Coffey County it was authorize and so i asked for that specific evidence so you are looking for a live Pretrial Hearing for Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell who have the trial date scheduled, and the very beginning and what we have heard there in the beginning is that this is Going Forward and this judge has every intention of getting this to trial quickly for these two defendants, and they were even talking about the idea of doing Jury Selection over the weekend to get this before the jury very, very quickly, and then a lot of other, and not smaller, but side issues that were also discussed. But the headline is that both sides and the judge are saying get this done, because we are going to make the attempt to have the jury sworn by the deadline which is november 5th. So we could see testimony november 5th, and Opening Statements after they get a jury in place and sworn. This is fast. All of the parties are acting very much as if this is going to happen. It is really important what the judge said about the timing of the Jury Selection, because in the Georgia State courts, Jury Selection can take months and months and a case that they are in month eight of Jury Selection, and the judge said, we will get to what amounts to two to three weeks, and he said, be prepared for expedited basis. And be prepared with questionnaires, and we have both done cases there, and you bring in the potential jurors and you verbally questions, and in a more high profile or detailed case, you them fill out the written questionnaires in advance, and then as a lawyer, you will get to learn more details about the potential jurors. And now, some debate about what is fair to ask and not fair, a will they ask you what is your opinion of donald trump, and they will have to work it out, and that going to expedite the process. And we have heard from Defense Attorneys s about this, and it is going to be rnlg chabed, because people have opinions about donald trump and people surrounding him. In your experience with the questionnaires, do you have any experience with the and he was talking about a clock with voir dire, and a Im Ingclock Fo timing the voir dire. And he said, in order to meet the time, and a quirk in georgia law, we will adopt the federal law with voir dire, and do the questionnaires, and you have a certain amount of time, and do with it what you will. In a case of this magnitude and this high profile nature, a lot of people think, well, you will never be able to see the jury who does not know about this case or have strong opinions of trump or the defendant, and this is not the test. Everybody has some biases and preconceived issue, and the issue for the selection is whether or not they can set aside those biases and move forward with an open mind, right, and not prejudge the case, and that going to be the test. Can they get a jury by november 5th . They have to, because this judge is not messing around. We have seen it, this very thing with the Oath Keepers Trial and the proud boys and they got a bunch of the responses, and the questionnaires in front of them and they look at the social media to see what they have been saying, and they will ask them, and they have asked many of the jurors about the opinion of donald trump before the trial, and some of them were not good, but the question is can you set it aside, and this is very fast, so am i tripping here . And so, the Defense Attorney said, are we going to start at 8 30 or take one break or two, and these are the nitty gritty pieces of the trial. Yes. And the judge is certainly acting as if he has to do this, and the Defense Lawyers are, and the ada and so we will see if the d. A. Is really ready to try this case and get the witnesses in the court, and we saw them hand over the hard drives for discovery on live tv, and starting november 5th, everyone has long, long days. And everyone watching this closely are looking for the signs that the date would slip, and he said october 25th, but it is going to be slippery, but that is quite the opposite. They are looking to get it to trial very, very quickly. One more moment that we saw, there because it was heated for the people who are used to watching trials, we saw lawyers angry, and it had to do with one lawyer having to do with past legal actions against the Defense Attorney, and the issue is the grand jurors, and are they going to be able to speak to the grand jurors about the process with which they came to the conclusion to issue the indictments. Why is this important . Well, remember, and there is sort of a nuanced analysis here, too. It was the Special Grand Jury who saw all of thetof the evided days and months and then recommended an indictment because of ba ggeorgia law to recommend a Special Grand Jury. And they sat for a limited amount of time, and we were surprised that the judge seemed to entertain that idea, and even directing the parties or the Defense Attorneys to lay out the questions that they wanted to ask these grand jurors, and the reason is because the defendants want to make an argument that it violated their clients constitutional rights, that they rubber stamped an indictment, and it appears an issue, and the overall thing is that lawyers like to talk as you can see. This is a microlook at what 19 Defense Attorneys are going to be looking, and making motions specific to the client, and each person has their own liberty at Stake Making Motions as they should. It is a legal logistical nightmare. Going back to the judge scott mcafee. And being in court here talking to each other. I think that acknowledging an email and replying back to it can prevent us from being here as ofaoften as we may have to, to that end, keep the lines of communication open, and we will take the motions up at the appropriate time. Anything else that we need to hear today . Judge, if i may get a copy of the case law you have provided to defense . Yes. When it is coming to the scheduling, and i wanted to address this grand jury issue early on, because of the investigative work, and i dont think that we have to make this a week and then the deadline passes to schedule them, and that is the plan yes, sir . On that scheduling, if it is possible to have a hearing next week, could we have it, monday, tuesday or wednesday. Next week, i am presiding and next week, wednesday is mostly clear, so that a date to shoot for if there is an emergency that has to be heard. Thank you. We could try, and mr. Arora . Sorry. Fine. With regard to the Scheduling Order there is a 20th Deadline and once we get it, we have ten days to respond, and so i dont know what they have, and i know that we are on a compressed time schedule, and we all turn it over on the same day it would not make sense, because i am not sure what it is that i need to address as far as the case goes . Well, i have not heard that one before. The intent of the Scheduling Order is that there is a Mutual Exchange by that date, and if there is supplemental discovery, because it is newly discovered or newly relevant in good faith, then it is turned over within five days is the general guideline there. So based on the indictment, you have a good idea of the case against your client, and you could turn over the bulk of the discovery at that time, and if the state is not satisfied with the time line, then we will deal with it. I dont want to have to pay for the experts if i dont need to. And experts are classified differently, and we have a Management Order where the experts would have to be identified you are listening to a hearing with the judge mcafee and attorneys for Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro and so they are Going Forward the time line laid out that by november 5th, the jurors will be sworn in, and we will be hearing a lot of this judge, and this judge and attorneys, these are the first two people going to trial in the georgia case. When you are hearing how he has conducted himself throughout this, and fireworks between the attorneys, what do you make of the judge and how you see this Going Forward . It is impressive display, and we saw the fireworks and the Defense Lawyer and turn around 180 degrees and point the finger as close to you at the d. A. And i have been there for courtroom histrionics, and that is a lot. I watched what the judge did, and it is sort of like a good parent does with a unruly toddler, take the temperature down, and move on and focus on what is important here, and not further inflaming the situation, and this is part of the trick for the judge is to maintain the control of the courtroom. Focusing on the substance and not bringing up the interparty tension, and this is a good sign for how it is going to be playing out. John is bringing up the temperature, because what is your take away . I am fascinated by the fact that there is a headline that there is a trial scheduled for very soon, five weeks from now, beginning the Jury Selection by november 5th, and the other major news is that donald trump and every other codefendant besides Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, those have not been severed, and only these two that are on fast track, and, caroline, why are they continuing to go on this fast track . The defendants here . Why would they want this so soon . They are not showing any sign of waivering . Well, little known fact, they can withdraw the speedy trial in vocation, and we will see what happens, but they wanted to call fani willis bluff to see if she was ready, but this is the case for all 19 defendants, and that the nature of the rico conspiracy, and she needs to show evidence related to all 19 defendants in order to get a conviction for these two, but i cannot describe how insane it is that they are going to trial this soon, because those Defense Attorneys have a lot of work ahead of them, and just going through the discovery, and typically in a case like this is over a year, and it is Mind Boggling to me that they would be ready in that short of a time. She had 2 1 2 years and presented it to a Special Grand Jury, and we will have to see what happens, Counselor Polisi and you, elie honig, we have heard another hearing wednesday . Possibly. He is free. 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That is in the crux of the House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy and the handful of conservatives who want to see steeper cuts, and also, wanted to tank a procedural vote on the house floor on a single Appropriations Bill which has made this week in the houskers coming back was to try to pass individual spending bills, and they were not able to do so, and that you had a handful of conservatives who wanted a lower spending bill and the steps. So House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy defiant when he left that conference saying that he is not afraid and he is not threat epped by the members, and instead, he is willing to fight if that is what it take. Allies of the House Speaker had this to say about mccarthys message this morning. He told the entire conference, and he said if you want to throw in a motion the vacate, fine. Did not survive 15 rounds for nothing, and i will survive another 15 rounds. Nothing has been coming easy for him, and he has an incredible optimism, and incredible resilience, and like all of us, he occasionally does get frustrated how many members, including myself can be knuckleheads on a given day, but he is the right guy at this moment. He is not going to be dissuaded by the fact that the job is hard. And mccarthy said that they have to have something to show when they go to try to pass something on a bipartisan and unified basis. When the lawmakers return this weekend, they expect to be here until the government is funded, and they will keep working, and they are not going home until a shutdown can be averted. Thank you, lauren fox, and we will see what happens in the next 15 days. And ro khanna from california, you were not invited to the Republican Caucus meeting, and what do you make of the fbombs thrown behind the closed doors and if there was a threat to Kevin Mccarthy, and would you lift a finger to help him get things done . Well, my problem is not the language, but it is that nothing is getting done, and the speak sspeaker is not living up to getting things up as he agreed with President Biden. And i would say that the House Democratic caucus are unify and we are having the conversations, but this is for their side to solve. And there is an inquiry for an impeachment to President Biden, and what did you feel about this . Representative fedderman had the best response, this is silly season. He doesnt have the exact number of votes to get it done. When Speaker Pelosi would have a vote, it would pass. My question for the speaker is why doesnt he have the votes of his own side . People know it is pure politics. And you know, it was not right away, the inquiry started and then there was a vote on the inquiry, but ultimately a vote did happen on the first impeachment, and not the second impeachment. So is the president fighting back as hard as he should on the impeachment . Yes. It is politics and no there there. You have one president who has been twice impeached and four times indicted, and the Trump Campaign is talking to the republicans in the house, and they want some black mark on President Biden, and they have been trying this since President Biden ran in 2020 to create a false sense of equivalence, but the American People are not going to buy it, and the republicans in the house dont buy it, and let alone the republican senators. We are Counting Down, the country is Counting Down 13 hours until the United Auto Workers may go on a strike, and limited strike at first for some of the auto plants for the big three, and you wrote a an oped with the leader of the aa, the uaw are looking for . The management is making three times what the workers getting, and all they are asking for us to put out in the oped is for the workers to be paid a reasonable familysupporting wage to be able to unionize, and the big three need to do the right thing with all of the subsidies from the federal government and pay the worker fairly. The issues, and it is not a direct issue in the negotiation, because the people who make the batteries for the electric car, and it is a connected issue, they are paid less by and large than the people of the United Auto Workers union, and one of the points is that, look, if we pay them as much as the union worker, tesla is going to clean our clock, and tesla is not paying that much, and how can we afford to do so . What do you say there . Well, first of all, the Big Three Have made 23 billion profits in the last six months and getting extraordinary subsidies, and then experts say that teslas market share is going to drop to the teens, because the Ev Pickup Trucks and others are going to start selling, and so that is a red herring. When the ceos cut their pay that is 400 times the average worker, and when they stop doing 500 billion in Stock Buybacks instead of enriching the workers, then we can talk, but they have not done any pay for the shareholders, and they are paying some of the workers 16 hour while being subsidized by your tax dollars. Is President Biden doing enough for the United Auto Workers in your mind . I think, s so, and he has do the right thing to appoint Gene Spurling to get the uaw workers right deal. Thank you, row khanna, thank you for being with us. 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I want to start by asking you the impact this had on you in that city. You are now the mayor. Youre a young mayor, but what impact did this have on you knowing this happened to black folks in birmingham 60 years ago . Tomorrow is the actual anniversary. Thank you, sara. Youre right, tomorrow is the actual moment we commemorate 60 years ago a bomb tore through 16th street Baptist Church, a form of Domestic Terrorism. The impact it had on me that i can tell you is that i am reminded that in this office as mayor, i am responsible for Social Justice and equity at a local level. This conversation isolating. Locally, they are still well to do 60 years later. I want to ask you what it is the city has planned. I know you have something planned to remember. We are seeing the pictures of these four girls, who lost their lives because of hatred, just because of their skin color at a church, a place of prayer. Its supposed to be a place of peace. Were also looking at pictures of the church now as it stands because the church had to be completely rebuilt. But there is something standing right in that spot in the remembrance. What are you all doing in the city to remember this day . The city of birmingham has partnered to commemorate throughout the entire week. So tomorrow were proud to have associate Justice California tan ya Brown Jackson to be the key note, as it relates to commemorating what happened here 60 yoorz ago. There will also be a Wreath Lay Ing and the bells will be tolled as we remember, pause and reflect on the loss of life, as well as those who hurt as well. Can you give me some sense, mayor, of how you feel like Race Relations are in the country today . This was 60 years ago. Some of the same themes, not that kind of violence to four girls at a church has happened, but the same themes are out there. Whats your take on whats happening with Race Relations right now . Im honest. So i think your question requires some very authentic answer. That is Race Relations still have a ways to go. I believe a lot of things came to head during Barack Obamas term in office for eight years, but unfortunately, i think things accelerated during the four years after his term, where too many people in this country felt comfortable being racist, felt comfortable committing forms of Domestic Terrorism and hurting people In The Name Of hate in the form of racism. So think we have a long way to go, even though it has been 60 years. Theres things today that are still rocking our nation that we need to come to grips with. Any time people walk into stores and kill multiple people, who happen to be black, In The Name Of racism and hate, that tells me that as a country, that we, not just through laws, but our own moral compass have a long way to go. Im curious you think we are in the state we are in . You mentioned the two shootings based on racism and took out people just doing their everyday lives. Why are we here . Part of the reason is because we have allowed people who have platforms to infuse hate. They have empowered people who hide behind social media screens and these dark spaces in basements to colt out because they feel empowered, for people who are in my positions at the local level, people in position at the state level, and definitely people at the federal level, particularly in the legislative branch of government, they spew hate every day. And i think that when people feel they see there are elected officials spewing hate, that gives them some form of cover. So i think we as elected officials at all levels have to do a better job of calling it what it is, racism, hate and its wrong. You were talking about leadership. Thank you so much. I know that you will will be throughout all the ceremonies for the 16th street bombing that happened 60 years ago tomorrow. 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