Than first thought. Does this mean she was contagious . That is a question we need answered. Were waiting to hear from officials in akron, ohio, where amber vinson spent last weekend. Now Frontier Airlines is notifying as many as 800 passengers linked to her flights both from dallas and from cleveland. Were also hearing from the first infected nurse, nina pham, being treated at the National Institutes of health in maryland. This new video shows her having a pretty upbeat conversation with her doctor in texas just before her transfer. So a doctor overseeing phams care spoke moments ago. I cannot tell you at this particular time why we have said fair because of patient confidentiality but she is stable and resting comfortably. Reporter any idea how long she might be here . We do not know how long. We will get her here until she is well and clear of virus. In the meantime, another Texas Health Care worker, a Lab Supervisor linked to the liberian man who died of ebola is now quarantined on a cruiseship in belize. The state Department Says that patient is in isolation and that she is not showing symptoms. Now as the disease continues to plague three nations in west africa, president obama has laid the ground work to Deploy National Guard and reserve troops to that socalled hot zone, the outbreak zone in west africa. I want to talk about this person being tapped as the Ebola Response coordinator. We sort of have been calling this person a czar who will lead the charge against ebola in the United States. Ron klain was chief of staff to Vice President s joe biden and al gore and led gores team in the florida vote recount some 14 years ago. He also supervised the allocation of stimulus funds. Ron klain is a lawyer, he is an insider, he is a connected political guy, revered by Many Democrats in washington and i think well respected among republicans, too. Hes a guy who runs organizations inside government for more than 20 years. But, but, he is not a doctor and doesnt have any real medical experience. Were going to talk about this with joe johns from washington, also dr. Sanjay gupta joins us from atlanta. Joe, what more do we know about this imminent appointment . Well, its important the say that even though hes not a doctor hes considered a very good lawyer on the democratic side and some of the other names, the marquee names that were first mentioned for this senior policy coordinator or advisor position to the president were also not doctors and didnt have health care at the top of their resumes, people like colin powell, bob gates, the former defense secretary. What he does have is, as you said, a lot of managerial experience. Experience handling and juggling very difficult issues in two administrations working as chief of staff for two Vice President s, both biden and gore. So he brings all of that to the job and it was pretty clear that the administration was under a lot of heat to try to get somebody in there who could take this thing over for lisa monaco and others in the administration kbho w who have other things to do quite frankly. Ive been reaching out to this guy all morning long and i have not been able to get ahold of john cle ron klain. Back to you. Lets talk to dr. Sanjay gupta. You talk about the insider, he has a good managerial skill, can handle crisis, and we note there is no dr. Or ph. D. Behind his name. Do you think there will be frustration from the medical community a doctor could have been a better choice here or is this largely being seen as a managerial role . I dont think there will be that much frustration from the medical community. Ive gotten emails from leaders in the medical community wondering allowed if it should have been a doctor but i dont think thats so much frustration. I think part of it will be how much he incorporates dr. Frieden, the head of the cdc, and dr. Fauci, the Infectious Disease guy at the nih. It sounds like he probably will inkoorp rate them a lot into the plans going forward. This is obviously a medical issue at the forefront of this but there are other issues weve seen as well. Commercial flights. The talk at the congressional hearings about travel bans. Medicine and science drive those discussions but theres other very significant issues orbiting around that and, you know, i think a guy who has these sorts of skills has a formal appointment but can work in informal channels, can really be of help. Sanjay, communication is one of the things that i think is necessary and this is a strong point of ron klain. Ron klain does debate prep. Hes done debate prep for many president ial and Vice President ial candidates for years and years and years and i dont Mean Communications in a pr sense but getting the message right, making it consistent and making sure American People, sanjay, bhaunsunderstand whats on and what needs to happen. No question, john. In some ways thats been a criticism of the way the messaging has come out so far and i think justified criticism. Some of it is because the information has been changing. I dont think americans are panicking about this but you dont want people to lose faith in the system and that would be a real problem. So somebody who first of all, just the act of appointing this czar, the person at that level i think is a very important act but now to be able to get the messaging really, really right and make sure it quells down some of the panic. The science around this has not changed. We know how this is transmitted. People who are watching right now are not likely to get infected. Almost a 0 chance. But you can understand how that message needs to get out there in a very systematic way. And concise way. Real quick because i know you have to go back to working those phones, joe johns, any sense of when this announcement will be made . Not clear at all. Weve been reaching out to the white house, no plans to make a formal announcement today. I think the other thing we have to say is high on his list is International Relations and being able to deal with a bunch of International Issues and thats very important because everybody see this is, of course, as a global threat. It is a global issue and it made clear he will be handing the Global Response to ebola. Joe johns, sanjay, thank you so much for being with us. Stick around because there is a lot more to talk about and the news really is coming all the time on this subject. Ahead for us, well speak to an ohio congressman who grilled Health Officials about the Ebola Response. Well ask him about the new drug czar. 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He was grilling the cdc director tom frieden about ebola protocols and whether they are, frankly, up to you have . 12 people in ohio now are under quarantine after they came in close contact with an infected nurse during her visit to the cleveland area. Hundreds more people are now being tracked down. Congressman johnson joins us now from columbus, ohio. We know theres going to be a press conference later in ohio which well be taking you to. Congressman thanks so much for joining us. Obviously given how vocal you have been about the cdc response i want to get your reaction of the news of an appointed Ebola Response coordinator. Does it sound to you first of all that thats the right move and do you think this man ron klain, a washington insider, would be the right guy for the job . Well, michaela, certainly i think that what will give the American People confidence is to get the answers to some of the questions that were posed yesterday. I personally thought we already had an ebola czar, secretary burwell of hhs. Whats been missing all along from this whole scenario has been leadership and im not sure what appointing someone that has no experience in health care or Public Health administration is going to do to help stem the tide of ebola in west africa and protect the Public Health of americans here at home. So, you know, the jurys out. Im not going to second guess the president s decision because this is not about politics, this is about protecting the American People. But clearly what we need are answers to these important questions. How did the protocol break down . What happened . And how did these Health Care Providers contract the ebola virus . Congressman, just to stay on the issue of ron klain as the ebola czar for a moment. Dr. Sanjay gupta said the issue here isnt the science, the science of ebola is known so perhaps a manager is what 1 needed right now to sort of right this ship and coordinate all the systems at play here in handling what ebola does exist in the United States. Well, john, i get that leadership and management and Organizational Skills are required, but i have some concerns about the first part of what you just said, the science. I mean, if the science is so clear, john, then why dont they know how the protocol broke down and those Health Care Providers in texas contracted the virus . Thats what concerns me. Yesterday in the hearing i heard too many times from dr. Frieden i dont know the details to this. I dont know the details to that. We dont know what we dont know and so im not certain that they do have a grasp of the science, otherwise why is it taking so long to figure out how these unfortunate Health Care Workers contracted the virus . Let me understand, do you not have confidence in the nih and the cdc and how theyre handling this . Absolutely not. Because if we had the answers to the questions, all americans would have confidence. And the reason we had the hearing yesterday is because the cdc has acknowledged that there are gaps in their plans. I mean, when did they find out about this . They found out about this in march and were still now not certain of the adequacy of the protocol for Health Care Providers in dealing with the situation. So i think all americans out of an abundance of caution are asking the question do we have confidence in the information coming out of the the cdc . Let me say this i have no question that their motivation, that their hearts are in this to make the right decisions and to do the right things. But we have to deal with the facts. We cant deal with assumptions and innuendo. We have to deal with the facts and the facts are they dont know how this virus was spread to two Health Care Workers and that ought to be concerning to everybody. Well, lets hope the work is now being done to get these systems working. Congressman johnson, we appreciate your work and the questions youre asking on this. Theyre important for all of us to hear. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Were going to shift gears ahead at this hour. Potentially troubling new developments out of syria and iraq, the fight against isis. Well tell you what were hearing about the terrorist groups possible efforts to take its fight to the skies. This is kathleen. Setting up the perfect wedding day begins with arthritis pain and two pills. Afternoon arrives and feeling good, but her knee pain returns. Thats two more pills. The evenings event brings laughter, joy, and more pain. When jamie says. Whats that like six pills today . Yeah. I can take 2 aleve for all day relief. Really, and. And thats it. 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The question we ultimately need to ask our doctors if you are achy does that mean you are contagious . Because we keep talking about this. We want to stick to the science of it. First we want to turn to Susan Candiotti there in akron, ohio. We note that youre watching the podium as well as we are, that that press conference is slated to happen, were going to hear from the mayor and people from the cdc, the department of health. Tell us, though, what youre learning on the ground about these 12 contacts in ohio. Theres concern of course. Are any showing symptoms . As of now theyre telling us none appears to be showing symptoms but perhaps well get an update on that. Who are these people . We know among them it would include the stepfather of miss vinson because remember she came here to visit starting just a week ago today, friday, and then left on monday Health Department officials told us she only visited two places they know of at this time, that would be her home and a bridal shop. So besides the stop father, some of the other people who have been selfquarantined include the bridesmaids who went with her. We believe there are at least a half dozen of those, as well as the bridal shop owner and at least one other coworker described to me as being the ones who had closest contact with her. That is to say were standing within about three feet of her. However, at this time, these all of these quarantines are regarded to be simply a matter of precaution. There are also some other people there among the list who were on the same plane, they believe, not necessarily the same flight, but the same plane as ms. Vinson when she was flying to or from or at least back here from cleveland to dallas. And what about the school, susan . We understand at least one school was temporarily closed in the area. Whats going on with that . Yeah, well there were a few of them where they thought someone might have had contact on the flight and thats the one that remains closed so apparently someone who might have been on the same plane as her. All the other schools that were closed temporarily, some actually were with the flu virus had nothing at all to do with this earlier a few days ago but now just that one appears to be closed. All right, susan, thanks so much. Well keep an eye on it with you. Well be hearing from the mayor of talmadge there in ohio and freedom the cdc, folks from the department of health in ohio. Get an update on that because the absence of facts people wonder what is the situation on the ground. Well be right back. Type 2 diabetes affects millions of us. And for many, its a struggle to keep your a1c down. So imagine, what if there was a new class of medicine that works differently to lower blood sugar . Imagine, loving your numbers. Introducing oncedaily invokana®. 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They say residents near an air base to the east of the main syrian city of aleppo, an air base held by isis, they theyve spotted three warplanes flying low around that air base in the past weeks or so. They say theyve heard former iraqi pilots, as you say, military personnel, have been training isis fighters to fly those planes. John, you have to bear in mind, thats a world away from isis having an effective air force that could be used to attack the ground from the sky. That requires maintenance, munitions, but it shows the scope of ambition that isis have that they want that kind of technological advantage. It shows how many former Iraqi Military personnel they have potentially in their ranks. But another caveat to you know, these will be operating in skies where the u. S. Air force is also operating and they wont pose much of a threat. At the same time, a troubling advance certainly in terms of isis ambition if these reports are true, john. You certainly dont want those planes in their hands. Meanwhile, we know air strikes are continuing. Give us a sense of what the fight for kobani how thats going. A remarkable reversal in the past week or so. Where i stood near there about a week ago isis were very close to pushing the kurds out of the northwestern corner, a lot of air power being deployed. But since we had over 50 strikes in a period of 72 hours, a remarkable amount of pair power being used, thats significantly turned things around. Now the kurds say they think they hold over 80 of the city. They are reportedly clashing in the far east of it where isis used to have a stronghold. I spoke to their political leader on the phone a few hours ago. He said, you know, this has been something they should be thankful for, the air power. Its turned things around certainly but he appeal for more arms, antitank weapons so kurdish fighters can retain that ground. Bear in mind, isis take their time theyre not behold on the coalition timetables. They may come back in a few weeks. Thats the question people are asking themselves. Nick paton walsh, we appreciate it, thanks so much for that update. Ahead at this hour we turn back to ebola concerns. We are awaiting a press conference from Health Officials in ohio, any minute now about those concerns. Well bring that live News Conference to you. Also the nurse infected with ebola, nina pham. She has been moved from texas to a hospital in maryland, a an nih hospital. Well tell you how shes doing. We just gotten a update as she fights ebola. Look at all these children. They all lost their lives because of preventable medical errors, now the third leading cause of death. Only Heart Disease and cancer take more lives. Proposition 46 will save lives with drug and Alcohol Testing to make sure impaired doctors dont treat someone you love. Safeguards against Prescription Drug abuse. 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We know that a dozen people came into contact with one of those nurses, amber vinson, those people now are under quarantine for observation to make sure they dont develop symptoms. Vinson, as weve been saying, is one of the texas nurses who treated Thomas Eric Duncan, the liberian man who died from ebola, in dallas. She flew from dallas to cleveland a week ago today then back on monday. Now, Frontier Airlines is contacting as many as 800 passengers linked to those flights in those planes. I want to turn to our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. Its interesting, while we wait for this press conference were considering these 12 contacts. Weve learned about this Contract Tracing that Health Officials are doing. These 12 people. Remind us because i think weve gotten we have to get back to the science, elizabeth. Remind us about how long it would be before these people if they were sick how soon they would show those symptoms. You know, on average its about eight to ten days between getting exposed to ebola to actually becoming ill. On average eight to 10 days. But it can be as long as 21 days and so thats why when they quarantine people they quarantine them for 21 days because it could be as long as 21 days. Elizabeth, the news we learned overnight was that amber vinson was feeling achy. There are some reports that she was feeling sick. Before we were told she had a fever of 99. 5, wasnt systematic until she got back to dallas but there are reports that while she was in ohio she was achy and really didnt feel great. Those are symptoms of ebola. But are those symptoms that are contagious . Right. See, this is a really tough point right here. So when someone has ebola and theyre really, really sick, theyre throwing up, they have terrible diarrhea, boy are they contagious if someone were to have contact with them. But at the very beginning of ebola where you dont a lot of virus in your system, you could be contagious but you might not be. At the very beginning you probably dont have enough to get people sick. Lets say for the first day or so. You might not be able to get people sick. Its only as the disease progresses that you could get people sick. So what we cant answer is how sick was she . Well, she was in ohio. Could she have infected people . We dont know. I was told she did not have vomiting and diarrhea. Thats a positive sign. That would make it much, much, much more difficult or beyond what we know in the science of ebola for her to transmit the disease, though i understand why there is still concern. Elizabeth, stand by, we are waiting to hear from ohio Health Officials about amber vinson. Well have a live News Conference any minute from now. Well continue to talk about the passengers from the flight she was on, what theyre being told right now. Stay with us. 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Were going to take you straight to ohio right now, a News Conference from medical leaders about the nurse who was in ohio briefly while infected with ebola. Listen. The risk factors associated with the nurse who came from texas. Well go over where we are with everything. First, we will hear from dr. Margot ermy, then well hear from dr. Mary di oreo from the Ohio Department of health and finally we will hear from dr. Braden from the centers for disease control. So dr. Ermy . They told me i was too short yesterday. Now im too tall. Geez. Okay. Really want to hear hear me, you dont want to see me. Okay ill give you an update for october 17. First of all we have no cases of ebola virus disease in the county. Reporter can you speak up. We have no cases of ebola disease in the county. I want to make that very clear. No cases in Summit County. Second, we currently have 12 people that we are monitoring, contacts that we are monitoring. The family and the contacts have been very cooperative with us. We have people that are out at their homes daily to check about symptoms, see what their needs are, take their temperatures. We are currently also talking to people who have called in from the bridal shop after we put on the media yesterday that we wanted to speak to them and we do not have a number yet of how many. The calls are still coming in and the people are still being talked to. And then we will also be working with the Ohio Department of health and the cdc looking at people who are on the flight october 10 and october 13 to determine their risk status and what type of monitoring they needed to do. At this time, there is no need in Summit County to cancel schools or any events. Again, we have no ebola virus disease in Summit County. People who are contacts by definition do not have any disease. People can be exposed but not be infected and with ebola people are not infectious until they develop symptoms. Again, you look at the family and the Community Contacts of the first patient, the gentleman in dallas and as of today none have developed symptoms and i think we are day 18 or 19 out of a 21day incubation period that we look at. So i think people need to look at the Community Risk and Health Care Risk so we are working veriry closely with our hospitals, with schools, with Health Care Providers and with the number of people who wh call into our call center to answer questions to get out Accurate Information at the time that we know it. We are up front that the information will change as we get new knowledge and while that is unsettling to people it is actually as i said very good because information should be used to further the process and make it better. So to end up, no ebola disease in Summit County. Contacts are not infectious or a risk to people who come in contact with them. Theres no need to cancel events or schools and we are monitoring the process minute by minute, actually. Im going to turn it over to dr. Di oreo from the state to give perspective on that regard. All right, we want to dr. Lawrence gostin and our elizabeth cohen. Weve heard from dr. Erme from the Summit CountyPublic Health department. Its great to hear her say we have no cases of ebola in Summit County. Dr. Gostin, its good to have you with us here and i think thats the headline people need to hear. They are monitoring some dozen people but the message she wants to spread is that people can be exposed but not infected. Thats exactly right. I mean, we really have to have a kind of a calm measured response to this. We need to be very vigilant and i think its really a good thing for us to trace all of those contacts, nowhere they are and have active monitoring of those symptoms. But until they are symptomatic and known to have ebola virus disease people are not at risk, we dont want to overreact by closing schools and shutting things down. Ebola shouldnt take over our lives. We should deal with this as a vigilant Public Health issue in which we should be able to handle and handle well. There were missteps in dallas and i think weve learned our lesson. At least i certainly hope so. Its a pretty expansive list, though, 800 passengers and now the people at the bridal shop. Right, this is a lot of people so what n dallas weve seen the cdc folks pitch in this isnt intellectually difficult work, but it takes boots on the ground, to borrow a military phrase, to keep track of how these people are doing. Sorry i missed the last part you were saying, elizabeth. Dr. Gostin, on the schools they say theres no need to close schools. We know at least one school in ohio was closed for a few days. Overreaction . Yes i think it is an overreaction because kids are not infectious and even if they were theyll just go to the mall, the movies theaters and youll exacerbate the problem. School closures almost never work and particularly in a case as low risk. I think were okay. 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It was my search to verify a family legend, the legend is that basically i descended from one of the most important thinkers in the history of ever. That search took me to places, even continents, i never imagined. Why am i sitting here in front of this statue in this city no less, amor dam, a city of canals and bridges and a country of windmills and tulips . Im here because the two of us, we share a name. This is Baruch Spinoza. I am john spinoza berman. Baruch spinoza was a 17th century dutch jewish philosopher, a very big deal. Statues, portrait, even treats bear his name. He has become an icon of the reason of a solitary thinker who braved not only his own community but also more generally religious. Spinozas petty idea of god being separate from nature and at the time the notions of freedom of thought were so radical they got him excommunicated in 1556. Scandalous then, now revered. Good name, great lineage, if its mine, which is what i grew up being told. When you come by here with friends, do you point up my father, gerald spinoza berman would point proudly at the name carved in the library. When you would see it, what would you think . I would think, thats me, my family. Thats my heritage. My grandfathers name was spinoza, and we thought that we were descendents from Baruch Spinoza. Which would make me the son of a fill lophilosopher . Exactly. What do you know about spinoza, the man in terms of his family life . Well, its fairly simple to say. He simply did not have any family life at all. He was never married. Reporter no marriage, no known children. So how did my family and wouldbe philosopher prince father account for this . We were brought up that we were brought up by a long line of bastards. Reporter yes, remember that line. But seriously, what is the truth . Am i gloated with fill lophilos dna . At last, i began the search for an answer, an answer that intriguely begins in amsterdam, the birth place of the philosopher. The first was Benjamin Spinoza and benjamin is your second great grandfather. He was born in amsterdam. I dont speak really good dutch. Reporter but you dont have to speak dutch to go to amsterdam. Nearly everyone there speaks perfect english. Ill show you these two buildings. Reporter include the curator for the citys jewish historical museum. She walked me through the area. There were all kinds of institutions also on the same street. Reporter so Benjamin Spinoza was born here in 1850 at 121 i cant say it. [ speaking in Foreign Language ] just like you said. Yes. [ speaking in Foreign Language ] reporter your language is a pain. I know. Reporter the neighborhood revolved around gorgeous building. The 339yearold portuguese synagogue. Its all lines with gold letter of 17th century. Reporter it was built by the tightknit community which emigrated from the liberian peninsula. There were 4,500 portuguese jews part of this community. Reporter this synagogue was everything . Yes. Reporter and to live outside this community would have been next to impossible . Yeah. It was for the really an option. I mean, Baruch Spinoza was really the first jew at that time to live outside of the community. And he got tossed . He got tossed. So it was not out of free choice. Reporter remember, he was excommunicated excommunicated in 1856 and a problem for me that i might be his great, great, great et cetera grandson. Ancestory. Com uncovered a document. This is isaac spinoza, yourself event great grandfather. Early 1700s . Yes. In amsterdam. Hes talking about isaac spinoza of zali and then it goes on to talk about his father Daniel Espinoza and barbery. Are you familiar with the barbery coast . Yes. Zali is part of morocco. Reporter morocco, me, the morocco thats in north africa. My ancestors emigrated to amsterdam from the Jewish Community and what is now morocco in 1722. Well, after Baruch Spinoza was already living in and scandalizing amsterdam, my people were on a different continent. I am not, it seems, a direct descendent. So what is my story . It turns out the answer, buried in the amsterdam city archives with 700 years of records, is scandalous in its own right, even for spinoza. A researcher found the records of my familys early years in amsterdam in the 1700s. Marked by one fourletter word, debt. Theres another page. Its another page. Reporter pages of it. Its list after list of dues. 33,295. And a little bit. Reporter 33,000. This is in 1744. Thats got to be a lot of money now. Half a million. Reporter half Million Dollars in debt, im not responsible for any of this, am i . Well reporter and thats not even the big family scandal. For that, eric looked nearly 100 years later, 1822. A birth record for another isaac spinoza, the great great grandson of isaac, the debtor. The fathers name is theres no mention of marriage. Reporter interesting. Very. Reporter so theres a father but no marriage. Is that unusual . Very unusual. Its a small community. Reporter but wait. Theres more. A record of isaacs mother. Married in 1811. Reporter ah. With a different husband. Reporter ah. She had a kid. She had isaac. Yep. Reporter married to somebody else . For years. Reporter and the son, isaac hes your its a jewish name for a child without any rights. Reporter his offspring, too. That could be why isaacs son, benjamin, left amsterdam and came to the United States in 1867. Benjamin spinoza, born in amsterdam in 1850 died in boston in 1907. And the spinoza and bermans have been there ever since. The search for spinoza, the connection to Baruch Spinoza came up empty but at least one part was true. Reporter Benjamin Spinozas father is what is called a momser. Do you know what that is . Not really. His parents were not married when he was born. So that part is true . We come from a line of bastards after all. Reporter yes, the name on the wall may not be our history but our name filled with its own history. How about that, john berman. I still think youre one of the greatest thinkers i know. I appreciate that but the bastard part may be more appropriate. What was the reaction from your dad . That was on camera. Did he have more to say afterwards . You know, he claims that he was surprised, that he always grew up thinking that he was this philosopher prince. I think that deep down inside we all sort of knew there was something awry given that Baruch Spinoza had no children. But its not a common name. You see espinoza but not spinoza. In boston we checked the records and there were no other spinozas in boston. It was just this guy and his immediate family. My grandmother was an only child. We never really knew any other jewish spinozas in the united stat states. It was very rare. And one of your twins has the middle name spinoza. Its a great name. From the age of 4 to 6, people made fun of it because like the nose thing and then it was unique and i embraced it, as i do now. This has been a great voyage for all of us. The thing at the root of it, punt intended, theres more of us that have more in common than we think. Absolutely. Thank you for joining us at this hour. Im john berman. And im michaela pereira. Legal view with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now. You have yourself a great weekend. Hello, everyone. Im Ashleigh Banfield and welcome to legal view. At this very moment, the texas governor, rick perry, will hold a live conference. He cut short a european trip to return to texas to deal with this situation. Governor perry has also been in touch with the white house and other officials in washington, d. C. , and has appointed a state ebola task force. Whats critical is all of this is coming at the same time that the president has actually