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Than at the prospect of impeachment. Think about that. Which may speak to Something Else beyond his greed and his grievance when deprived of a money making toy, namely how little pressure and sense responsibility the president is feeling right now. For wednesdays insurrection an attack on the seat of our democracy. Because lets not pretend here. With five people dead, a nation traumatized and the fbi warning there could be more to come so far, there has been no real reckoning. Until this weekend, the white house and federal buildings, there wasnt simple recognition that lives were lost in the attack, let alone a reckoning with it. Certainly not from the hospital. There were no daily briefings either from the acting attorney general, whoever he is these days, or the fbi director and from the White House Press secretary. Nothing on camera since this nonaccountability no questions asked moment last thursday. Now it is time for america to unite, to come together, to reject the violence that we have seen. We are one American People under god. Thank you very much. That was it from her. Nothing on camera from her since then. We did hear from the first lady who put out a statement today. In it she named the five killed and she condemned the violence. An election which was free and fair. No accountability there, nor from the republican marco rubio, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who called the insurrection disgusting, says it, quote, runs counter to everything he stands for. That said, hes against holding the president accountability because it would divide the country. So its unfortunate that instead of unifying us right now biden and the democrats have chosen to use this as an opportunity to talk about ridiculous things like lets impeach a president who isnt going to be in office in about nine days. The left has decided this is an opportunity to destroy the right. So if you ever voted for donald trump, if you ever supported anything he did, you are just as guilty as the people who went into that capitol. There is maria nodding her head just like she did in all those trump interviews. It is an unfortunate thing for senator rubio to say. No one is saying that anyone who ever supported President Trump is as guilty as those that attacked the capitol. 75 Million People voted for the president in the last election. Hard to imagine that most of them arent sickened by seeing thugs are bats and zip ties Beating Police officers and carrying Confederate Flags and talking about hanging the Vice President. What people are saying is there need to be kons agaiconsequencet we witnessed on wednesday. For the president and his enablers whose lies led to the attack. This wasnt some outrage of the week from this white house. That were used to, something we can just move along from. No, this has never happened in the history of this country, and it wouldnt have happened if not for the lives and actions and encouragement of this president. It is that simple. To make sure it never happens again, people need to be held accountable. This was mayhem and murder in the capital, instigated by the president and by this guy. If were wrong, we will be made fools of. But if were right, a lot of them will go to jail. So lets have trial by combat. Today the new York Bar Association said it is now looking into the possibility of expelli inling giuliani because lawyers arent supposed to incite violence. But arguments against holding the president accountable get even weaker than senator rubios. Remember after the first impeachment when senator Susan Collins said the president has learned his lesson and was unlikely to misbhooif again, that didnt hold up so well, did it. Imagine saying the exact same thing, only yesterday. Personal view is that the president touched the hot stove on wednesday and is unlikely to touch it again, and if thats the case, we get every day we get closer to the haas day of his presidency, we should be thinking more about the first day of the next presidency than the last day of his presidency. Look forward, not back says the senator who once pronounced himself, quote, deeply troubled by the long delayed bipartisan and authoritative report on the benghazi attacks. He wanted to work with my colleagues to uncover the attacks. But as far as an attack on the capit capitol by the president , dont worry, he is just a child that touched a hot stove. He wont do it again. In fact, his fellow republicans are talking about the real assault on democracy comes not from armed right wing mobs but instead from the social media platforms who no longer want anything to do with them. Unfortunately its far worse than what i could even imagine. The effect of this is that there is no longer a free and open social Media Company or site for any american to get on any longer. Because these big companies, apple, amazon, google, they have just destroyed what was likely parler is likely a billion dollar company. Poof, its gone. Until the pga took the president s tournament away, getting bounced from twitter was said to be the president s big grievance in the wake of the president s attack. Which is not like hes been muzzled or anything. He does have a Briefing Room right in his house. How many of us can say that . If the president wants to get a message out or a personal one like losing a golf tournament, he could just walk downstairs, turn on the lights and have it. Meantime, manu ra nu rnu raju ig that the president bearing some of the blame for wednesday. Mccarthy also said that trump acknowledged to him that he, meaning the president , bore some responsibility for the attack or the riot. With us now, Ohio Democratic senator brown. Senator brown, how believable is it in your view that President Trump acknowledged to congressman mccarthy that he bore some responsibility for what happened . I mean, beyond the fact the president hasnt done this publically, it would also, i guess, jeopardize his legal exposure in all this. After three years and 355 days, were going to start and not to mention his business past, his past as a private businessman were going to believe that hes going to take responsible for something and acknowledge anything thats his fault when he wont even say it . Of course we dont believe it. That we dont expect. What we need to do is hold him accountable and Kevin Mccarthy accountable. Cruz and hawley who should be expelled, hold them accountable, the six senators who voted who sided with the attackers with the terrorist after the tack, the 139 house members who sided with the terrorists after the attack on her democracy, on our capitol, thats and giulianis of the world and the eric trumps that incited the violence and the president of the United States. Of course thats why impeachment. You tweeted over the weekend, you said both josh hawley and senator ted cruz have betrayed their oaths of office. Im calling for their immediate resignations. Do you it is unlikely theyre going to resign or be expelled. What consequences do you believe, if any, they could actually face for their actions and the actions of the other people you spoke of . Well, the public humiliation doesnt seem to matter much. Even some of their allies. Senator hawleys mentor, senator danforth has said well, i dont remember the exact words, but that he wished he hadnt encouraged him to run for the senate. Theyre hearing that, but the senate as a body needs to take action. I know senator mcconnell wont. But if hes not going to resign, which he wont, they will continue to be like trump and take in responsibility for anything, even though we saw their words. We saw the picture of hawley who george will says there is a huge kaz m between his ambitious and his achievement then we should take action on expulsion. What would it say not just to the nation if there arent consequences for those who enabled a sitting president to attempt to overturn an election . Thats one of the fundamental reasons i believe we should impeach and we should expel those two senators and take some kind of action which we could discuss on the other 139 house members is our standing in the world. The greatest democracy people have seen and people are shaking their heads wondering about us, wondering about those awful, awful pictures. We see something on video, a new video every day of assaulting and kicking Police Officers. Theyre trying to crush another Police Officer. Theyre chasing an africanamerican Police Officer who should get great credit for heroism as many officers should against these white supremacist mobs. It should be who we are as a nation that we hold accountable the thugs that came into the capital, those who planned it and who were organized and clearly had training, planning to kill and those who incited and the aiders and abetters from cruz to jordan to hawley to all those senators that stood up and said there was still you know, biden may be president , but there was fraud. Well, every senator, every republican senator and house members needs to look into the camera and say joe biden is a legitimatically elected president. There was no fraud and im sorry the president lied about it. Every single one of them has a responsibility to do that to really restore democracy in the eyes of the American Public, most importantly but also, as you suggest, anderson, in the eyes of the world. What happens in the next i mean, how concerned are you about what may happen in the next two weeks, three weeks . Im very concerned about what happens leading up to the 20th. And on the 20th. Thats why Law Enforcement has to be absolutely ready. We know that a number of them and maybe more are coming back. We my colleagues have heard comments from passengers to terror reform people who had assaulted the capitol that were flying back to the states and heard their comments about theyre coming back on the 20th ready to go. Thats why they need to start now so they dont come back with guns and break the law and attack democracy again, that they will pay a serious, serious price. The people who incite them, the people who participate and the people who continue to aid and abet them. Finally on impeachment, i mean, unless pence decides to invoke the 25th amendment, the house is poised to impeach the president the second time. What sort of a time line would you want to see for a trial in the senate . There is talks of a senate mechanism to force a trial immediately. Is that realistic . What is the time line here . I think you do it immediately because you really do want to sn show that we are serious about accountability, that this was the most egregious heinous attack on the American Public that we have seen. But i also know that the senate can do two things at once. We still organize. We get our committees going. We begin to approve people like congresswoman fudge to be hud secretary and chairman of the economic down cell and janet yellen as treasury secretary and it means we move immediately on the next coronavirus package so we dont see mass evictions, peoples apartments in the middle of the winter in the middle of the pandemic. We need to do all of those things. Mitch mcconnell now has a senate that works about two and a half days a week. Were going to work harder. Were going to do more things. Were going to deliver for the country. We can do impeachment while were doing these other things that deal with this, to combat the coronavirus and rebuild the economy starting now, starting january 20th at noon. Senator brown, i appreciate your time. Thank you. Breaking news from the white house. I want to go to jim acosta for that. You have information about the relationship between the president and Vice President. Reporter yeah. We do know they had a meeting today. They had not spoken for several days in part because the Vice President and his team were so upset that trump did not reach out to pence during the siege on the capitol when Vice President pence was up there for that official tabulating of the electoral votes. I can tell you at this point, anderson, that theyre trying to mend that relationship. I talked to a source close to the Vice President this evening who said they are trying to turn down the temperature in this relationship between the president and the Vice President and that they feel like the point has been made, that they did make this concern known that the president did not reach out to the Vice President when she was essentially having his life threatened up on capitol hill last week. And at this point, what the Vice President and his team is saying, anderson, is theyre trying to send a message to the world that the u. S. Has a, quote, fully functioning government. The Vice President had a meeting with Covid Task Force earlier today and that sort of thing. But it is an extraordinary thing to say to a reporter, anderson, that what the Vice President and his team are going right now is trying to project to the world that this government is still operational, which i think speaks volumes. Yeah. I mean, is this government operational . Because it certainly doesnt seem to be from the outside. No. I mean, i think anderson when you look at how the president has behaved over the last several days, hes holed up behind closed doors. He is not coming out in front of the cameras. Obviously he doesnt want to take our questions right now. I talked to a source close to this white house earlier today who said the president does not feel any resource for what happened on january 6th. Now, of course, Kevin Mccarthy, the House Republican leader as you were just saying has been telling colleagues that he understands from the president that the president now feels like he bears some responsibility for all this. But anderson there is no way. Im not sure how much stock i would put in that. This is the take no responsibility president. I talked to two republican sources on the senate side this evening who said we have gotten zero indication that the president is taking responsibility for what happened here. Anderson, until the president comes out in the Briefing Room or in front of the reporters and takes responsibility publically, i think we should take all of that with a massive grain of salt. His first video message after seeing the images of what was going on, you know, said we love you. You know, you are very special people. Cnn chief political respondent joins us how. How do you square Kevin Mccarthy laying some of the blame of insurrection or saying the president is accepting some form of responsibility which seems highly dubious. Also still opposing impeachment and instead pursuing congressional censure. Does that send a Strong Enough message . There was a time and a place for censure. Its now passed as a result of what happened on the 6th. Were way beyond. Censure would be a wrapping of his knuckles. He needs more. He needs at minimum an albatross around him with an article of impeachment thats been voted by the house. Even if it doesnt pass the senate. So were way beyond a censure which is, as i say, a rather mild compromise thats often reached to get votes. And they have the votes in the house. Dana, do you buy this idea from Kevin Mccarthy . Do i buy the idea that they could think about a censure . No, no, sorry. That the president has remorse . No. No. I dont. Im with you and jim acosta in my skepticism for lots of reason. Not the least of which i spoej to people familiar with the president s thinking in the last 24 hours who say that there is no sense of remorse at all from the president. Maybe possibly he could be trying to look forward and hes less crazed about the notion of a stolen election. But as we know from our experience, lets just say that was the case with somebody he was talking to who i got information from. That could have been different five minutes later. Right. Because thats the me curiel nature of this president. John, cnn is reporting that bill barr, former attorney general both advised President Trump not to try to pardon himself. How bad an idea does something have to be for two of his ardent defenders to try to steer him away from . They may well have done that because they realized if he does it it will attract the attention of the department of justice to challenge their position developed back during the nixon years that no one can be a judge in his own case. The only way they can do that is with an indictment. I dont know that he will not be indicted otherwise. But i think if he doesnt follow that advice and does a selfpardon, i think its very likely he will be indicted is what theyre telling him. Dana, does it surprise you at all this reporting that the Vice President is attempting to, you you know, calm things down between him and the president or smooth things over. The reading was upbeat and a pence advisers saying the feeling is we made our point. What point is that exactly . Well, the point and should be that the president , you know, left the Vice President high and dry after inciting the mob to go there and in the videos that we have now seen actually calling for his head. And, you know, the point that the Vice President has been trying to make over the past, i dont know, week since last wednesday when he finally put out a statement saying that he would support the constitution and not be illegal action that the president wanted him to talk and not accepting the Electoral College results that, you know, what you did was wrong. Now obviously mike pence feels that he was in the right over the last week and history will prove that to be the case. But he also is somebody who is a young republican with ambition and he knows better than anybody that this is still Donald Trumps republican party. So as, you know, kind of heroic as he was, if people want to say that, remember the mike pence over the last four years who has been loyal, unflinchingly loyal despite the fact that he learned as everybody else did before him thats a one way street. It is incredible, dana when you think that while mike pence was being hidden in the capitol with his wife, i believe, the president was tweeting against him while there was a mob searching to hang him. Its unbelievable. And the fact that i mean, listen, politics is politics. But just on a human level, the notion according to jims reporting that the Vice President wants to make things right in their relationship, you know, most people would do their best to make sure that things stay very wrong in their relationship because it is donald trump that was the one who was the one that did the wrong in so many ways, not the least of which, as you said, abandoning him and ignoring him when he was clearly in peril. I mean, the idea that anybody would think that donald trump would be thinking about them in the midst of crisis sur prisopre after what we have all learned. George conway tweeted that what we saw in the capitol was august 1974 and his smoking gun tape. As you well know, republicans actually did something after president nixons smoking gun tape surfaced. Is there any reason to think theyre going to do something now . There is not yet. We can always be hopeful that they will get the spine to go down and tell the president that he really should resign or they can speak through their processes by first in the house a significant number of republicans joining in an article of impeachment. If there is some sympathy in the senate, theyve got lots of ways that they can express it. That would send a message to him. You know, the polling so far shows that while he had 74 million votes in this last election, a lot of those people no longer support him as a result of these activities that have happened on the hill and his encouragement to ignore the vote, if you will. So i dont know that he does have that solid support. Theyre trying to measure that. Theyre politicians. Theyre looking at their career and their future. 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They received information regarding, quote, armed protests, unquote are being planned in the days leading up to inauguration. It comes as security measures are being stepped up ahead of the events. The man in charge of the department of Homeland Security has just stepped down. Joining us with the latest. What does this fbi bulletin say . Reporter it is a really serious time right now. Threats facing almost every state and city across the country. And so the fbi gathered a lot of information, a lot of it that theyre seeing online and social media. So they put out this bulletin. Theyre trying to avoid some of the mistakes that we saw at the capitol. So theyre warning Law Enforcement across the country that more protests are coming. One of the things theyre warning is there could be armed protests. They believe there are armed protests planned for january 16th through the 20th. Theyre saying that groups are calling for storming the government buildings such as courthouses and other government buildings. Theyre also threatening an uprising if the president was removed before his supposed last day of office. Of course there are also threats against biden and against the Vice President , kamala harris. All of this very concerning for the fbi. So they put this together in this bulletin that they sent out to Law Enforcement across the country. We know following last weeks attacks on the capitol, they are calling up additional security. Do we know the plan. Reporter certainly National Guard in washington, d. C. Will see extra National Guard. Also the secret service, the now resigning Homeland Security acting Homeland Security chief, he ordered that the inauguration a week early for it to be called a National Security event. So they are doing that. Also, there is going to be extra secret service, extra police certainly here in washington, d. C. But also all across the country at capitals and at government buildings, you will see real security. This is a real threat that people are concerned about and theyre trying to avoid some of the mistakes they saw last week. They didnt take it seriously enough, anderson, and it seems how authorities are going to be do that. Lets hope so. Former secret Service Agent jonathan, and former washington d. C. Police chief charles ramsey. Chad wolf the latest cabinet secretary to resign. What is the impact on that during, you know, one of the most fraud security situations in washingtons history. I dont think we know yet, anderson. I mean, this is the former head of the department of Homeland Security. We are in the midst of a National Crisis here and an emergency so severe that the fbi is sending out warnings that you just spoke with shamone about. I think psychologically that affects every person not only living in washington, d. C. , not only the people whose lives were threatened in the government and the United States capitol but all over the country when you hear that your elected officials, your hearts of government are going to be under attack. So when you dont have the head of Homeland Security there and you have handed it over to the head of emergency management, every i think the logical question to ask is who is piloting the plane here . Who is going to make sure that there is a peaceful transfer of power . And can that actually occur . And, you know, there is the sense asleep at the switch. Yeah. What can you do about it . Chief ramsey, the former fbi acting director was on cnn earlier and said warning of protests is quite extraordinary in its scope and specificity. How concerned are you . Well, im very concerned. I had heard about a week ago that january 17th had been targeted for a socalled Second Amendment rally, which is just in my opinion cover for Something Like what you saw wednesday and it is going to occur not only in washington, d. C. But all the capitols across the United States, 50 capitols. So that obviously is of great concern. All you have to do is remember what happened in michigan not very long ago when they took over the State Capitol there and many of those people were armed. So, yeah, i mean, in light of wednesday in particular we have to be very, very concerned. Yeah. I mean, jonathan, looking back, that Michigan State house, you know, infiltration, you know, was you could look at it as kind of a test. And it was a test that we failed and that, you know, the president encouraged. I mean, the president praised these people who went in with, you know, rifles and, you know, verbally attacked, got in the face of police and legislatures in the state house. Before he resigned chad wolf instructed the u. S. Secret service to begin the Security Operations for the inauguration on the 13th instead of the 19th. What does that mean exactly . And what do you make of his resignation . Well, i mean, first of all, i deviate a little bit from gloria in terms of the you know, his resignation. I think his resignation has little impact on the National Security posture, the Inauguration Security and dhs transition into the new administration. Wolf never had developed a longterm Strategic Plan because he lacked the confirmed leadership and often fell into what i refer as the substitute teacher construct. All the power of a confirmed position but definitely is not treated so by congress and other employees. And in terms of how do we move forward, nonpolitical and career Government Employees are really going to carry the mantle for the next week. All of the components including the secret service have been selfmanaging under wolf anyway, so there really is a little, you know, his departure is sort of a so what matter with a few days left. Whats important right now and probably the best decision he has made is to move up and accelerate the transition into the National Special security event, the nsse which is coordinated by the United States secret service. One of the failings we saw last week on january 6th was a lack of commanding control and intelligence sharing. By standing at the nsse structure now, we now have a codified command structure with a multiagency coordinating center, you know, bringing all of these entities together to share intelligence and quickly react to any type of threats that may present themselves. So can i just say one thing, though . Go ahead. When hes gone he cant vote for the 25th amendment, should it come to that. All these people resigning have given up their votes on that, so lets remember the impact on that. Were hearing more threats against individual members of congress and that they continued since last wednesday. I want to play from our viewers messages left leading the calls for impeachment. You poked the bear this time, you little [ bleep ]. You poked the bear. You got 80 Million People coming after you, you commie little [ bleep ]. If you impeach him, civil war is on, buddy. I reject this notion that 80 Million People voted for what happened at the capitol. I just dont believe that there is 74 or 75 Million People who support what happened at the capitol. How unprecedented is this . I mean, how does washington feel tonight . I think washington is frightened. I think in many ways its paralyzed about whats the right thing to do and what can they do with the little time they have. Should they convict if they impeach the president and how should they convict donald trump or at least try to convict donald trump after joe biden is president when they want joe bidens cabinet to be confirmed, et cetera, et cetera. I spoke with somebody who had to hide in the capitol the other day who was hiding under a desk, who was afraid for his life because he chose to go into some form of Public Service and work for a senator. And i can only imagine that fear, and i have a hard time thinking about it all across the country. When these people are saying, were going to do it again, were going to do it again and the congress is paralyzed right now about what to do and i wonder would they be so paralyzed if this were isis, alqaeda, whatever. I have a hard time wondering whether they would because i dont think they would be. And i think they have to do whats right and hold the people accountable who need to be held accountable. And one of those is the president of the United States. Chief ramsey, im from a Law Enforcement perspective, how do you feel with crowds showing up to State Capitols armed . I mean, in some cases, you know, its legal to carry. How do you deal with that from a Law Enforcement standpoint . Well, i mean, each state has its own gun laws, and its quite permissible in some cases for you to be armed like that. However, im sure what they will do are state police will be fully activated. National guard that hasnt already been sent to washington, d. C. So they will establish a hard perimeter around the capitol. They will not allow anyone to cross. And, so, is it concerning . Yeah. If you have armed people there, obviously it doesnt take much for this to turn into something very, very bad which could have easily happened last wednesday in the capitol. Some of those folks were armed as well. So it puts added stress on Law Enforcement and on everybody concerned. I would imagine they will evacuate the buildings once they get wind of the fact that there is a protest coming on. So at least you are not worried about protecting the people. You are just trying to protect the building itself. Chief, are you confident Law Enforcement can handle this . I hope they can. I mean, i cant be 100 confident after last wednesday. But i really dont think last wednesday was the norm. I really do think they got caught flat footed. They werent paying attention. They didnt have the resources they needed. I dont think it all falls on the shoulder of one individual, steve son, the former chief of the capitol police. Once they start digging into this, theyre going to find out that there were a lot of people that played a role in the capitols being unprepared to deal with this. Jonathan, you know, in the early 70s there were thousands of bombings of political bombings, mostly from left wing groups. A lot of them against property. It became something the people sort of got used to. Thats something we havent seen in this country for a long time. Are you concerned that this is just the beginning of something . Well, i hope not, anderson. You know, for Law Enforcement, you know, its there is a little bit of an advantage here. Let me explain that. For Law Enforcement, it is no longer a probably assessment as to the likelihood of violence by these groups. We actually know these are people who are prepared to engage in domestic terrorism. Unfortunately they believe in this apocalyptic ideology. The advantage is Law Enforcement knows who these groups are. They have been following them for a long time. They know who the hostile actors are, whether its qanon, proud boys or oath keepers, Law Enforcement will act swiftly to contain this threat. I appreciate it. Thank you. To chief ramseys point about accountability, more now on the Capitol Hill Police. New report about actions being taken against officers for their alleged roles in the riots. What are you learning about these investigations . First of all, anderson, that there are more of them than we initially thought. We are learning there are up to 17 different officers who are being investigated on the Capitol Hill Police force. Most of the information that were getting is from a democrat from ohio who is saying that two officers have been suspended. Obviously deeply distressing to think any of these officers could have been involved especially when one of their colleagues paid with his life. One of the officers who was suspended was seen taking a selfie with the rioters. Another one seen wearing make America Great again hat and, anderson, directing the rioters according to congressman ryan. Thats something we heard elsewhere. We heard from congressman clie born who was surprised because rioters managed to find an office of his deep in the capitol that was unmarked, that did not have his name on it. So we have heard of people possibly being directed. Obviously, anderson, this is a massive security failure and as you and your guests were saying earlier, the former chief of the Capitol Hill Police has now stepped down. There are also Police Departments among other employers around the country looking to whether anyone affiliated with them was involved in the attack. What has the fallout been like on that front . Thats right. This is a specific line of investigation. To what extent was current Law Enforcement and military perhaps among the rioters . And we know of at least 7 Police Officers who are being investigated by their Police Departments in five locations across the country, in new york, philadelphia, seattle, virginia and texas. The question is, were they just here as protesters as is their constitutional right or did they cross the line and were they were they among the rioters . Of course we have many, many photos that the fbi is pouring over to see whether they might have crossed the line. So far, anderson, no one in Law Enforcement has been arrested. What is the latest on the arrests of those involved . So far 20 people have been arrested on federal charges. The acting u. S. Attorney here in d. C. Says that number could go up to hundreds of people and that the charges may include murder. Its clear that theyre not done. The fbi is working very hard. They have been asking for tips and help from the public. They have gotten thousands of those. Theyre going over all the closed circuit video from inside the capitol from all the photos that have been on social media to try to figure out who these people are so you can be sure, anderson, that the list of charges is going to grow both on a local and federal level. I appreciate the reporting. Its so sickening to see these images of people battling with Police Officers and some of the images that have come out recently are just horrific. I think it is important to take time to remember those officers as well who we now honors as heroes in the attack. Earlier one such person, capitol hill Police Officer Eugene Goodman has been credited with helping to prevent rioters or attackers from getting inside the senate chamber. We want to show you the video of some of what he did that was captured by reporters from huffington post. Officer good man encounters them. They followed the officer up several steps of stairs. Thats when this happens. Take a look. You see him here. Protesters are right behind him right there. He looks to his left and thats key. To his left is the senate chamber. So he sees no Police Officers there. The Washington Post says police at that moment for furiously trying to lock all the doors to the senate floor and keep everyone inside safe. He lures the attackers in the other direction. All he has to the right. He vented an already tragic day from becoming far worse. Just ahead, more on the concerns that this attack was the tip of the iceberg. You will hear from the former Cyber Security chief fired by President Trump and how to detect the next attack. Anderson, this is the equivalent of ignoring that pain in your chest for a couple of weeks and then all of a sudden you have a catastrophic heart attack. We are on the verge of what i fear to be a pretty significant breakdown in democracy, in Civil Society here. Honey honey . New nyquil severe honey is maximum strength cold and flu medicine with soothing honeylicious taste. Nyquil honey. The nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, fever best sleep with a cold medicine. Just before air, i spoke with the former Senior Security official for the department of Homeland Security fired by President Trump President Trump. Much of our discussion was what he thinks Law Enforcement should do to sift through the incredible threats directed toward Government Entities to prevent the sort of attack we saw on capitol hill. The acting secretary of Homeland Security resigning does that have Practical Implications for security in the capitol ahead of the inauguration . So it certainly is not what you would want to see, right, in terms of consistency and continuity in a leadership position. My understanding in the acting secretarys farewell letter the fema administrator will be stepping into that role and pete gainer is a marine officer, emergency manager, he knows how to run events, so he should be effective in that role and the fact that one of the last things chad wolf did as acting secretary was move up the activation of the National Special security event designation to begin this wednesday will allow for more coordination headed by the secret service. Obviously theres a lot to be learned about exactly what happened on the attack on the capitol and obviously a deep dive on the security failures is just beginning if not already well under way. What rule do you think what do you think this was a federal failure, a failure of because for time and time again weve heard warnings about far right extremists and it seems like this administration has not taken that threat as seriously as some in the security field would like. So theres no question that there is going to be a very in depth investigation until into the various breakdowns last week. You know, if there were intelligence failures, operational coordination failures, issues with the National Guard. I think those youre seeing little bits and pieces fall out through the media over the last week or so but i think we have to reckon with the fact that, one, the disinformation spread brought by the president and his supporters over the last several years has created a tinder box situation. Thatsifou tell a lie often enough and repeat it often enough people are going to believe it. The election fraud, the rigging of the election, that it was stolen is certainly a good example of that. Weve got to get the truth out there to the American People that this was a free and fair election. If the president wants to defend democracy and be the patriot that he thinks he is, he needs to come clean. He needs to tell the American People that he lied to them and that the election was not stolen. People need to go home and not show up in washington, d. C. Or the 50 State Capitols as the fbi is reportedly telling folks. It seems there is no way this president is going to do that. I mean, he is continuing to stand by this even on the day of the attack in the aftermath of the attack he was saying h. You know, that this was a stolen election. I dont believe his track record would indicate his track record would indicate he is not capable of that sort of concession and admission but i think part of the unfortunate reality is he is one of the few people many of these maga types would listen to. That would always be the first preference but in the meantime there would have to be other steps taken including consideration of invoking the 25th amendment, removing him from office, or an expedited impeachment by the congress. As somebody whos worked in security and certainly security on the election and ended up losing your job because of your standing up and saying the truth about the election, how concerned are you about what lies ahead . I mean for the next week or two certainly but even perhaps afterward . I mean, you know, as you said, the fbi said there may be armed, what they call armed protests planned around the inauguration, maybe in all 50 states. Do you see this as the beginning of some larger conflict . Or is this the end of a potential conflict . Anderson, this is the equivalent of ignoring that pain in your chest for a couple weeks and then all of a sudden you have a catastrophic heart attack. We are on the verge of what i fear to be a pretty significant breakdown in democracy and Civil Society here. My hope is that through serious people in Law Enforcement stepping up and showing a visible presence and at least in the course of the next two weeks ensuring that there is no protest that turns into, lets be clear. This is not a protest. This is an insurrection. Lets make sure we quell that now but then over the next couple years we have to continue chipping away at the disinformation and the propaganda and the lies that have been spread over the last several years to generate and motivate and incite these actors, these insurrectionists. Its not just going to go away when trump is out of office. No, i dont believe so. I think the narrative has been set. Its been ingrained. Im sure the president will continue to claim that the election was stolen whether for fundraising opportunities or just to shield his ego. But this is again why he is ultimately responsible for this. And he is going to be the one that has to take responsibility for it. But, you know, if youre a betting man you dont make that bet. We have to go look at some of the other options we have available. I see the district attorney, District Of Columbia attorney general is looking at criminal charges. That is part of the tool kit that the next administration, that others are going to have to employ here to get some semblance of order back into the main stream. Christopher krebs, i appreciate you talking to us in this difficult time. Thank you. Thanks, anderson. One more note on the hunt for the attackers who invaded the capitol the fbi is asking for the publics help in identifying and locating this man the guy carrying the Confederate Flag through the halls of congress. The agency says he made an unlawful entry and would like to talk to him. Anyone with information about this man or others who participated in the attack can contact the fbi at 1800callfbi or you can share what you know online at tips. Fbi. Gov. 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Find out more, call aag for your free information kit im proud to be a part of aag. I trust em. I think you can too. Call now President Trump was preparing to award the nations highest civilian award to the very high profile football coach of the new England Patriots Bill Belichick who late this evening said, no thanks. In a statement the coach acknowledged he was, quote, offered the opportunity to receive the award but added, quote, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award. Above all, i am an american citizen with great reverence for our nations values, freedom, and democracy. A white house official says the administration was made aware of the coachs decision. First that decision by the pga to abandon a prestigious tournament at one of the president s clubs and now this. We dont want to leave you tonight before an update on the coronavirus pandemic. Unfortunately it is not good. There have been more than 182,000 new cases reported today alone. Nearly 1600 new deaths. Keep in mind the figures on monday are usually slow to be counted because of the weekend. The news continues. Want to hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. Anderson, thank you very much. I am chris cuomo. Welcome to primetime. The trump insurrection may spread to all 50 states. It was so easy for toxic trumpers on wednesday lets be honest. There is still such embracing of trump by his party that people looking to destroy america are making plans everywhere. This comes from the fbi. They say armed protests again in