We had word of it, and the breaking news caps a long day of stunning developments. The joint chiefs of stafs including general mark millie are quarantining. He attended an event at the white house on monday. Late today, we learned a fourth member of the White House Press operations been infected in addition to kaleigh mcenany. This came shortly after relearned a Service Member in the oval office has also contracted covid, and maggie haberman. Last night, folks in the white house were said to be freaking out. That is the term that was used. It did not appear of a Contact Tracing of all of those came in contact with positive white house personnel. The white house declined the cdcs offer of Contact Tracing. Declined the offer of experts by Contract Tracing by the cdc. Think about that. Why would the white house decline the cdcs expertise in this. What are they trying to hide . Even if the white house is doing their own robust Contact Tracing which there is not evidence of, it can be effective because Contact Tracing do not have the critical information needed to accurately warn people. Thats because the president refuses to let anyone reveal when he last tested negative. There are two critical questions tonight. When did he test negative and when did he first test positive. The president is trying to cover that up. That is a fact. We know this because his own doctor refused to give those details citing hippa laws. Laws design to protect patient privacies. Those laws can be waved when the patient is willing to have the information known. The president does not want you to know when he last tested negative. Instead hes making his doctors cover it up. On testing, can you tell us when he had his last negative test . Thurks thursday, was it wednesday . I dont want to go backward. What was his vitals . Everyone wants that. Last negative test any abnormal tests . Were any of his lab tests abnormal. Hippa precludes me going into too much depth to be discussed. At some future point, maybe, but today sorry. The president does not want the truth out there. He could have told dr. Conley. Sure, tell them when i last tested. Sure. That is basic information. This isnt a gotcha game that reports areers are playing, knowing the truth can help those at risk. We are talking about hundreds of people he could have exposed. It might establish how he caught covid, exposing gaps in the alleged protection he is under. Any president deserves protection and if there is some gap in his, people should know about it. Furthermore if the president was not getting tested everyday for covid like the white house previously indicated or the president had tested positive, in advance of the debate on tuesday, then voters should know. The recklessness on that would be stunning. Tonight no one will answer that question. The working and living quarters, the peoples house, seen major level until washington. Cuts through the pentagon. How long has the president been Walking Around with this . Possibly infecting others. Did he stand on the debate stage with joe biden, shouting in his direction, mocking him for wearing a mask while he was infected with covid . Did he know it at the time. Remember, he showed up late at the debate site. When was his last negative test . So now the first lady is infected and hope hicks and Chris Christie and three republican senators and many the president of notre dame, attended this rose garden event that you are looking at for judge Amy Coney Barrett two weekends ago. Contact tracing requires knowing when someone tested positive and when they did not. Thats how reckless this white house continues to be. The president lied to his tv talk show, sean hannity. Said he was waiting on a test to find out his condition on thursday night. According to the white house, hed already been tested after returning from the fundraising trip on thursday afternoon. After with that, hope hicks was ill on the plane ride on wednesday night after trumps rally. Should the president had been tested on wednesday night or thursday morning at the latest. Reckless if he wasnt. Reckless if he was. He then exposed hundreds of people to covid, wealthy donors in new jersey. Have all the donors been contacted to get tested in dont they deserve to know, you the president knew if you were positive when you spoken in front of them without a mask . Dont you owe it to them to give them some peace of mind for their families . Apparently the president does not think so. Hippa precludes me from going into too much depth. Things that im not at liberty to be discussed. At some future point, maybe. But today, sorry. The key words, doesnt wish to be discussed. The president does not wish those things to be discussed. Thats what hes talking about when he says hippa. The president can clear this up any time by answering these questions himself or telling the doctor, tell him when my last negative test was. Sure. But he chosen to play a strong man on the balcony. This was last night standing on the balcony. Covida. Dont cry for him, just go and get tested, reckless. Thats reckless. Returning from walter reed last night and the first thing he did going inside and coming into contact with people. Posed for photograph, continuing to project strength. Thumbs up. He got down to the business of angting, the most important thing in the world is that he himself beat it. He told americans they should not fear the virus that killed more than 210,000 people. I had he said they should not let it dominate their lives. This morning, he said its no worse than the flu. Which is a lie. Not only because the coronavirus killed more people in this year alone than the last five years of the flu, we also know it is a lie because he said so in february to bob woodward. Thats a tricky one and a delicate one. It is deadly than your strenuous flu. People dont realize we lose 25,000 30rks,000 people a year here. Who would think about that. And i say, is that the same thing. This is more deadly. This is five per this is 5 versus 1 and less than 1 , you know, so this is deadly stuff. When he said that back on the 7th of february, just is it 12 had contracted covid. In the entire country. None had died then. He knew about the danger or where he had been told about it. He said nothing. Now with 210,000 americans dead. His employees on quarantine. The west wing is freaking out. The president once again said nothing. Except that is to boast about conquering a virus that just isnt listening, or spreading. Our jim acosta is joining us from the white house and dana bash. Jim, do we know when Stephen Miller tested positive and his movement the last several days . Yes, he tested positive today and we have a statement from Stephen Miller about this and really flows right into the timeline we have been talking about it the last several days. I can read you the quote from Stephen Miller. I have been working remotely and selfisolating, testing negatively every day including yesterday. Today i tested positive for covid19 and i am in quarantine. Thats the statement from Stephen Miller. It goes to show you how serious the situation is. You have a situation where people are testing negative and positive for coronavirus. The white house has been relying on these rapid tests for so long. We all know we have been reporting this for months now they can be notoriously unreliable and that may be the case now. I can tell you, anderson, this is the work from home white house right now. There are large sections of this white house that are empty and almost like a Haunted House where you dont find staffers where as dana bash knows there are areas of the white house that are typically teaming with staffers. The common areas are totally empty. The area of the west wing are almost totally empty except for a couple of staffers. What they are telling everybody right now, if you suspect you have symptoms or coming into the white house, stay home. You know there are more members of the press than white house staffers at this point. The white house continues to claim they been taking all the right precautions. Clearly they have not. And Stephen Miller is another example. They continue to be reckless. They absolutely have not. The thing is people have gone to the white house to see the president for events are told that by the medical staff at the white house that everybody is being tested and the assumption from people who go to the white house, everybody including the president of the United States. If you look at the members of the president s debate team, people, the prep team who were working with him last week and through the weekend before he got sick, look at that. I mean everybody from the president to Chris Christie and kellyanne conway, bill, and hope hicks and now Stephen Miller are positive. The only two people who are regularly sitting in that small room, the map room inside the white house who are currently negative, are Rudy Giuliani and jason miller. We just heard, Stephen Miller was negative five times until he was positive today. Lets hope that the former mayor and jason mayor remains negative. Based on what we have seen could change unfortunately. Why will the white house still not answer the simple question. It is not the white house. Why wont the president allow his doctors or anyone at the white house to answer this simplest question. When did the president last test negative . The most obvious reason would be a, hes been positive longer than they claimed or he has not been testing everyday at all like the white house claiming and they have been endangers people for a lot longer period of time. Is there some other explanation . There really is no other explanation besides the way you preface that question. The president is only allowing his doctors revealing to the public what he wants people to know about. So that means, we can deduce from that, we are not learning things and items that the president does not want out there. And i can tell you from my sources, there is a concern they are not telling the public of what needs to be told. When it comes to the president s health. There were still concerns about the president s health this morning. There were some concerns from the night before from his balcony moment where you can see he was gasping for air. I talked to a trump adviser who said, wait a minute, concealing the president s health is a tradition that goes back decades and they are going to continue that tradition now. The president has a debate coming up. The Vice President ial debate is tomorrow and with joe biden the following week. Why would joe biden stand on the stage with the president when theyre not disclosing things about his health that may impact anybody in that room or certainly Vice President biden. Could the Biden Campaign say we would not debate unless we know when your last negative test was . Absolutely. It is hard to imagine they wont do that given the fact that it is entirely possible that President Trump was positive and potentially highly contagious when he was standing at the beginning of the show not far away from joe biden pointing at him, you know rhetorically speaking and physically also for 90 minutes straight. We kind of see from the beginning of these negotiations. With tomorrows debate. The Vice President ial debate. And mike pence tested negative so far but still, hes refusing to have plexiglass around him whether it is symbolic or not. I think tss because he is trying to put a line in the sand to protect the president from having those options next week. The head of the Coronavirus Task force wont have a screen. Jim acosta and dana bash. Thank you. Perspective from someone who served as a white house staff for clinton. John pedesta is joining us now. We know that the President Trump is making himself looking strong and afraid to look weak. If i look what is happening with in the white house now, as we sads, Senior AdviserStephen Miller tested positive and apparently no Contact Tracing. You did any of that actually look strong . Well, i think we have gone from the farce of the return to the white house kind of mussolini style up the stets to the tragedy that is befalling both the white house staff we have the joint chiefs in quarantine. The most damming for the American People is the president s tweets telling not to be afraid of the coronavirus and no worse than the flu. If people would just mask publicly for the next three months, we can save 100,000 lives. Those are and the president is just completely flaunting that, and putting literally hundreds of thousands of americans at risk. Yanch yanchts. Yeah, and half the country, i think 45 of the country is wearing masks. If they say if 95 of the country would just mask up, just wear masks and not go out and just wear masks and as you said, you can save 100,000 or so lives. As a former white house chief of staff, i mean when you look at this white house, is there anyone in charge here . Well, you know, donald trump is kind of running the white house as chief of staff. The job i had, mark meadows, his reaction . What is he doing . He tried to suppress the new fda guidelines that were meant to create a safety regime around the potential for a vaccine finally, the fda kind of veered their way around that by publishing as part of their meeting guidances and the white house finally relented. He has not issued any guidance to his own staff, white house staff calling press saying whats going on. Should i come in . Or should i stayathome . There is no order to wear a mask in the white house except from Robert Obrien, the National Security adviser. To his staff, almost as big as the white house staff, at least Robert Obrien has givable some instruction to his team. You know, i think the military they have a term for a way of this management is handled. Its called dereliction of duty. I mean if he was a ceo of the company and an Actual Company and not a temp company, he would be removed by the board of directors because hes been telling employees Walking Around without a mask and mocking employees and pressuring them not to wear a mask. If you were running the Biden Campaign right now, would you want joe biden, your candidate to be on a stage with donald trump unless you had direct access to the latest of his Health Information and knowledge if he lied about being tested the last debate . I think it is going to be hard to carry this out. I know that Vice President biden wanted to debate donald trump. The first debate proves why he wanted to debate donald trump. Donald trump clearly lost that debate. The polls crashed on him following the debate. His antics were just turning people off. He lost ground with Senior Citizens and biden looked strong. He turned into the camera. His speech at gettysburg, calling us together is the kind of stuff that you want to project in a debate and i think trump is incapable of doing it. At this stage you have to ask yourself is it safe to go out there. I would be doubtful about that. Maybe theres you can have you know do one of the things like they do in the courtroom, put trump in another room and biden can be there with the town hall so the president doesnt infect the rest of the audience who are going to be with him in that town hall debate next week. John podesta, appreciate you being with us. Coming up next, a former cdc director, the professional, and Michelle Obamas message to voters. And how it might be received. We will be joined by two former top advisers, David Axelrod and valerie jarrett. 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It seems like the reckless continues inside the white house towards their own people and it is only accelerating. What i am thinking is this is the time to reset. So say we are going to be guided by the best Public Health advise. We will be tell people to wear masks and wash hands. Well be approaching cases, the cluster cases we see in the white house like every case the local Health Department is trying to do and that is by doing very aggressive Contract Tracing and ensuring that every Single Person who has been exposed has the ability to safely quarantine for 14 days. Thats how you ensure one case does not lead to a small cluster of cases and an outbreak. I trained at the cdc as a disease detective, this kind of work that the cdc is so good at it. This isnt a simple outbreak or cluster related to a school. These are cases that are linked across many states and will take the kind of expertise the cdc can provide. So to do Contract Tracing, i assume you have to know when patient zero or the person who spread it or the multiple people in the case, when they spread it, when they actually tested positive and when the last negative tests they had so you get a sense of where theyen with on day positive or potentially positive without knowing those two things, can you really do effective Contact Tracing . For every Single Person who tested positive or has symptoms, you want the know when they first tested positive or first had symptoms because as you know and as we talk about all the time you could be spreading this several days before you first have symptoms. That information is critically important. You need to track where they have spend their time and where they have been in situations where they have been within six feet of people for 15 minutes. You want to look at when was the indoor and outdoor exposures. We will learning more and more the risk of that varies. I would expect to see the photo of the rose garden and knowing the amount of traffic that goes on in a place like the white house that there are hundreds of people that needs to be tracked and need to know whether they are at risk and the people they live with need to know especially when you get to that size, there is going to be some people falling into highrisk groups. Is there any legitimate reasons you know of why the white house would refuse the offer of the cdc with all their experience to do Contact Tracing . Well, this is the kind of work that the cdc is so incredibly skilled at. It is the kind of work that the cdc provides relief around the globe when they are facing outbreaks and especially complex outbreaks. This is the kind of work the local Health Department do. But when they are facing a outbreak that spans many states that is when the cdc is called in. And one thing that people dont realize, the cdc has to be invited. They do not have the authority to go into a state to conduct an investigation. The former pandemic preparedness chief roughly resigned today. His attorney put out a statement saying dr. Bright can no longer sit idly by and sit in an administration that doesnt believe science, and in sickness and death of thousands of thousands of americans. It wenten to say he had been assign nod meaningful work since september 4th. How is particularly but i concerned are you about whats happening to science in this administration . I am very concerned of the mixed messaging from science and politicians and theyre not being guided by the best puck Public Health science, that is shown to be effective. I think anyone whos in a leadership position in government especially in a science position has to have a line in the sand that theyre not willing to cross. Any scientists who will willing to go against the science due to political reasons, really need to look in the mirror, why am i in this job. Is it really that important. Dr. Besser, appreciate your time. Thanks very much. Up next, i will speak to patty davis, daughter of nancy and ronald reagan. The stark difference between medical information between then and now. Priceline works with top hotels, to save you up to 60 . These are all great. And when you get a big deal. You feel like a big deal. Priceline. Every trip is a big deal. I remember herwho was because she had a bracelet that had the names of her children. She asked me, doctor, am i going to be okay . and i could not give her the answer that i wanted to give her. There is no excuse for why we dont have this under control at this point. Joe biden listens to medical experts. He actually has a plan that does the things that we should have been doing many months ago. And joe biden is not going to let his ego get in the way of fighting the disease. Ff pac is responsible for the content of this ad. Hmms and ahhs heard incall. We have breaking news, one of President Trumps top aides, Stephen Miller, has coronavirus. Patty davis wrote this in the Washington Post. When youre president , privacy is not an option, especially i cluneding privacy about your health. That is a lesson that my faurps administration understood. The man holding the highest office in the land, his health, fitness has everything to do with our safety as a nation. It has to do with trust, patty davis joins me now. Thank you so much for being with us. I wonder when we heard the president s doctor cite hippa and let slip that its President Trump who is not allowing him to not not only what his lung ct scan shows and clearly there must be some problems with them. Thats one of the things that he did not allow doctors to talk about and also when your last negative test was and when you first tested positive. Well, thats what hippa regulations are. They give the patient control over what the doctor can tell other people. Thats what the regulation is. But, you know, being president of the United States is a unique position and the American People deserve to know of what is going on with him. There is doctor confidentiality. I dont think everybody expects the president to give private detail of his health to the people. Excuse me, are husband lungs scarred or has he been on oxygen does not fall under that heading. We need to know what the basic health is of the man whos sitting in the white house and as i pointed out in my Washington Post piece, it was not a perfect story when my father got shot. They made some mistakes and got some information wrong. An important difference is that there was utter panic that day. It took less than 15 seconds for John Hinckleys bullets to mow down four people and put the country in paralysis versus a virus thats a worldwide pandemic for eight months. No one is in shock right now. They had plenty of time to prepare for this. So there is that difference. And i dont remember hearing any outcry of information, when my father was shot that we are not getting told the truth. Even in the midst of panic, that white house knew that they needed to honor and respect the rights of the American People to know whats going on of the president of the United States. It is also one thing for it is understandable the white house wants to put the best face of a Reelection Campaign but another thing to have the doctors or the president s doctors saying this kind of stuff, putting a political spin and a happy face on information, that sort of whats so unusual that is not the chief of staff giving this briefing. It is the doctor cherrypicking information. You wrote about after your dad was shot, did he change some activity . The other piece is the concern and lack of that this president seems to have about who he may be infecting currently and who he may infected and helping contact tracers being able to give information to people. Yeah, i didnt know that when i wrote the Washington Post. My brother, michael, told me yesterday about a conversation that he and our father had awhile after he was shot. He told michael that he was not going to attend Church Service anymore because he did not want to put other attendees at risk in case there is another assassination attempt on him. He sat and he never forget looking out at the rear window of the car that day as it sped away seeing people in pools of blood from bullets that were meant for him. Whatever anyone thinks of my fathers policies, thats who the man is. And by the way that is what leadership is. True leadership is caring for the people who have entrusted to you lead them. You know leaders put the peoples welfare at the expense of things they want to do in their lives. I remember as a child meeting the secret service ameant, one of them that was shot that day, who later became on Nancy Reagans security detail, i believe. I was just thinking of the secret service and how they care for the first family. I am wondering when you saw the ride that the president took in that vehicle with two agents in the front in a sealed vehicle thats designed to get through chemical attack, what did you think . Well, i want to tell you something because it has been reported everywhere there were two agents in the front. If you look carefully, i am 90 sure there was a third agent in the back of the car facing out to the rear of the car. Thats how they do things in case somebody comes up from behind the car. I think it is worst for the two agents. There were four people. One of whom whos incredibly contagious and only wearing a cloth mask. It is shameful. I was such a brat with the secret Service Agents because i hated being followed but they are really good people. They have to take a bullet for their protectee and now i suppose getting a virus and watching out for them. The other people that i really think about a lot are the people working on the third floor of the white house. In the living quarters. These are people who i have been there for years, decades even. They cant socially distance. They are doing their laundry and making their beds and serving them food. And i think we can all assume donald trump is not Walking Around the living quarters wearing a mask. I encourage people to read it. Thank you so much for being was tonight. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Take care. Michelle obama posted a 24minute video today urging people to vote for joe biden. I will talk to two associates of what she says and what kind of Closing Argument did she deliver. Ed me set up my watch lists. Karl he took care of my 401k rollover. Wow, you call a lot. Yeah, well its my money were talking about here. Help from a team that will exceed your expectations. Vicks vapopatch. Easy to wear with soothing vicks vapors for her, for you, for the whole family. 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And if we want to regain any kind of stability, weve got to ensure that every eligible voter is informed and engaged in this election. As a black woman, who has the overwhelming majority of people in this nation done everything in my power to live a life of dignity and service and honesty, the knowledge of any of my fellow americans is more afraid of me than the chaos we are living through right now. Well, that hurts. It hurts us all. It is a heaviness that sits on our hearts. Two people close to Michelle Obama and David Axelrod and valerie jarrett. Shes the author of finding my voice. David, mrs. Obama is a well liked first lady. She has a vested interest in the outcome of the race. How effective do you think her message will be getting voters in the polls . Shes utterly authentic, she says what she means and she means what she says. This is a blunt message about covid19 and how it has been handled by this president and the message of economics and fairness of some of whats going on these days and a very blunt message about race. And the last part is an appeal to young people and to people of color about the importance of voting and i think all of it working together. The reason shes a powerful figure especially with the young is that speak the truth and they believe. And i think this will be effective for him, especially if they use it virally with younger voters. The former first lady laid out a lot of themes. She talked about the president s lies, the pandemic, calling out some of his actions as race igs. How effective do you think it will be . I think it was a powerful message. Dave is right, she speaks from the heart and authentic and look through the lens of what it is like for parents out there and struggling with their children to figure out how they can go to school safely. As a mom of two college kids herself and her perspective as a black woman and the president s message is painful and what it must be like for black families across the country of a president polarizing and separating us and uses rhetoric thats racist. She has a mighty, powerful platform. People love her and it has nothing to do with politics. She does not even like politics. She knows how important it is for our country to be led by this president. She wants to use her platform to deliver that message as powerfully as she could. We have 28 days until the election. People are already voting. She thought now is the right time where everybody is paying attention and everybody is reeling from the events over the weekend which she found deeply be profound by disturbing given how close she is to the white house staff who took care of her family and who deserves better than this. The secret service continues to protect her and her family. They deserve better than that. It is remarkable of the evolution of miss obama critiques from diplomatics saying when they go low, we go high. Her 2016 dnc speech to talking about comments that trump made as racist. I think she could argue this bet is not going low. Thats being truthful and repealing to our nature. What was interesting about this is she spoke to white americans about race. It was not just about it was not just appealing to black americans and ask them for empathy to understand what it is like to be on the other end of some of those racist appeals. You know valerie is right, anderson. Michelle obama is deeply skeptical about many aspects of politics. She doesnt particularly like it. The fact that she emerged in this way is a reflection of her passion about this. She believes strongly that donald trump led us in the wrong direction and she feels compel to use her platform. She does not do that lightly. It seems that some of the push that Michelle Obama is doing is because of what we have seen in texas and other places where clearly there are efforts to suppress the vote. I mean, limiting in a county, one dropoff box where you can drop in mailin balance t llots think is larger than the state of the i a rhode island in one case. It seems a lot of prominent democrats are trying to do everything they can to overcome whatever obstacles they feel are out there and get people to vote however they can get them to vote. I think thats exactly right. And look, were in the middle of a global pandemic. So, you add that on to it as well. Shes worried about people being able to vote in a safe way. Shes encouraged people to make a plan to vote, figure out what youre going to do, whats the safe way to do it. If you decide to go, try to early vote if you can so there arent these huge crushes we saw in the primaries on election day. Wear a mask, be safe about it. And certainly shes disturbed by these efforts to suppress the vote. But she also has been devoting herself to say lets not disenfranchise ourselves. One word on the voting. I thought it was really powerful that she attached the urge to vote, the duty to vote to history and to the sacrifices that people have made in the past to make it possible for black americans to vote, people like her. And she really i thought that was one of the most compelling parts of this. I mean, she basically told people you really dont have a choice. You really need to vote here. People died for this, and you have the future in your hands. And i thought this was a compelling, a really compelling message. And she spoke earlier after the last election on how soul crushing it was that 100 million americans didnt vote and that all of the effort that her husband had gone through to put our country on the path that it is on was in jeopardy because of that election. And she doesnt want to see that mistake again. 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If you cant afford your medicine, they do one of the most deven in normal times. S, our Frontline Health care workers. And when these heroes lack the resources they need, that risky job gets ten times harder. Prop fifteen makes corporations pay their fair share. To invest in our communities, in our clinics, in the essential workers who treat everyone rich, poor, and inbetween. Whether its this pandemic or the next health crisis, vote yes on prop fifteen. For all of us. About 24 hours away from the only Vice President ial debate this election year. Vice president pences team is objecting to a plexiglass barrier being installed. Today he spoke about a country divided, one he hopes to unite, also about the need to keep politics out of science. Im running as a proud democrat, but i will govern as an american president. Ill work with democrats and republicans. Ill work as hard for those who dont support me as those who do. Thats the job of a president. Wearing a mask is not a political statement. Its a scientific recommendation. Social distancing isnt a political statement. Its a scientific recommendation. Testing, tracing, the development and all the approval and distribution of a vaccine isnt a political statement. It is a sciencebased decision. Joining me now to talk about the debate senator tim kaine who debated Vice President pence four years ago. I wonder what your advice would be to senator harris would be for this debate . Well, first im going to save my conversations to kamala who is a good friend. Let me point out a fundamental difference 2020 to 2016. In 2016 neither of the tickets were incumbents. So, both tickets were making their case. This is a different one. The trumppence team has had four years in office and weve got death at an unprecedented scale, job loss, 10 Million People without work just since march, deficits and debt that have skyrocketed and social division we havent seen in 50 years. So, i think that gives kamala, whos a prosecutor, the ability to put the evidence on the table and say no one can realistically say were better off than we were four years ago. And i think youll see her marshall that evidence. Pences team balked at having plexiglass tomorrow evening. His chief of staff said theyve yet to see evidence for that. They mocked senator harris saying, if senator harris wants to have a fortress around herself, have at it. This is the guy whos supposed to be heading up the nations coronavirus pandemic. He was the head of the task force. Would you feel comfortable at that debate given the recklessness of the white house over the last several days and years. No, you should follow the cleveland clinics advice. Youre right. On february 26th, President Trump asked mike pence to assume the most important title hell have when he said be the head of the Coronavirus Task force. There were no deaths in this country. The president said it was going to magically go away. Were months later, 210,000 dead, job loss at unprecedented scale hitting hardest latino and africanamerican communities. And for the Vice President to still be fighting against science, hes presided over a task force that has mismanaged the crisis to the greatest level in the history of this country. Hes still fighting against science. If they wont keep themselves safe, why will they keep americans safe. A poll shows Vice President joe biden has a lead over President Trump. Are you concerned it might cause complacency among democratic voters who think 16 points, wow, i dont need to go vote . U, well, anderson, let me tell