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Its unlikely the president meant it this way. But tomorrow one of the things shell be going through will be providing evidence to congress. As significant as her testimony may turn out to be, it could be eclipsed by what david holmes, a staffer at the u. S. Embassy in kiev tells lawmakers away from the cameras. His story of as we mentioned a potentially key phone call came to light in testimony yesterday from his boss bill taylor, now the top u. S. Diplomat in ukraine. A member of my staff could hear President Trump on the phone asking ambassador sondland about the investigations. Mr. Sondland told President Trump the ukrainians were ready to move forward. Following the call with President Trump, the member of my staff asked ambassador sondland what President Trump thought about ukraine. Mr. Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of biden which giuliani was pressing for. Ambassador sondland is of course Gordon Sondland, ambassador to the European Union and a Million Dollar trump donor. He gave the million to the inauguration. Tomorrows testimony puts the pressure on sondland to testify to what was on that particular call which the president says he doesnt even remember. Again, he also said he hardly new sondland who as i said wrote a Million Dollar check pour the inaugural and whom the president rewarded with a plum job. In case, this all ties the president tighter to the allegation against him, could weaken one of main republican talking points that the testimony so far is second, third, or fourthhand. Theyre offering hearsay. Hearsay. Hearsay. Not secondhand. Its all thirdhand information. Second, third, fourthhand, nohand information. In a real court of law that would be objected to as hearsay. Its perception on one side and hearsay on the other. Keeping them honest it is not true hearsay is innibble in court. 23 specific exceptions under which hearsay evidence can be used at trial. But remember, congressional hearing rooms are not courtrooms, and house impeachment proceedings are not criminal trials. Also, it should be noted that if republicans really wanted to hear from witnesses with direct connection to the president , if thats what the president wants, Mick Mulvaney could testify, so could john bolton that could be possible, but so far theyre not willing to testify without a court ruling. As for a case the democrats are now making, today House Speaker pelosi put it as bluntly as she ever has saying to her the testimony so far makes a case for bribery. Thats one of the charges specified by name in the constitutions language on impeachment. You talked about bribery a second good. Yes, bribery. Thats a very serious charge. Its in the constitution. Bribery . You know, talking latin around here, e pluribus unum. Quid pro quo quid pro quo, bribery. That is in the constitution attached to the impeachment proceedings. So what was the bribe here . The bribe is to grant or withhold military assistance in return for a Public Statement of fake investigation into the elections. Speaker pelosi also took a moment to remind the president that he is free to provide witnesses to refute the case being made against him. Its called an inquiry, and if the president has something that is exculpatory, mr. President , that means you have anything that shows your innocence, then he should make that known, and thats part of the inquiry. And so far we havent seen that, but we welcome it. And thats what an inquiry is about. Late this evening, as we said at the top, we learned that an official in the president s office of management and budget will testify if subpoenaed. His appearance is now scheduled for saturday. Also tonight, the question of what to make of video of attorney general william barr and others in whats been described as an animated exchange in the oval office earlier today with the president. The conversation was delayed the president s departure for a Campaign Trip after which the president was seen reading a redacted document. More from the white house. Jim acosta is there for us. What are you learning about how the white house is preparing for tomorrow . Anderson, they are sizing up some of these upcoming witnesses. For example, Marie Yovanovitch, who was the former ukraine ambassador. Im told by a white house official that theyre already sending out their talking points, already talking about whether or not she is going to be that great of a witness for the democrats. This white house official said essentially, what does Marie Yovanovitch know about the july 25th phone call that the president had with the leader of ukraine . She doesnt know anything about it because she wasnt on that phone call and she wasnt the Ukrainian Ambassador at that point. Theyre sort of looking at who is coming up and sizing up each of these witnesses. I will tell you that the official that i spoke with also talked about this overheard conversation that bill taylor testified to yesterday about how the president and the Eu Ambassador Gordon Sondland had this phone call that was overheard by at least one official who heard the president say the word investigations according to this white house official, that is no reason to stop the presses. Of course the president has been asking about investigations. They dont see anything wrong with that. This meeting with the president and attorney general barr and the white House Counsel Pat Cipollone which were seeing through the windows there, i just want to replay the video of it. I understand youre learning a little bit more about what theyre talking about. What do you know . Yeah, anderson, it was very serious because the president was coming out of the white house shortly after this meeting, presumably to talk to reporters. He does these chopper talks from time to time. He didnt do one today as he was heading down to this rally in louisiana. But for a good 30 minutes, he was in the oval office with bill barr, the attorney general, with Pat Cipollone, the white House Counsel. And our understanding is talking to our sources is that this meeting touched on in part very briefly on the horowitz report, which is the report that is expected to come out soon, not sure when, from the Inspector General inside the Justice Department who has been investigating the origins of the fbi counterintelligence investigation of the 2016 election, the origins of the russia investigation. This obviously has been of great interest to the president. Its something that bill barr has been working on, obviously, keeping tabs on for some time. And the Inspector General has been working on for some time. Apparently after that meeting between those three individuals broke up, anderson, then Mick Mulvaney, the acting chief of staff, stephanie grisham, and others came into the room. But my understanding from talking to a source this evening about all of this is that that meeting between those three individuals was kept pretty much under wraps until it ended. But, yes, we understand the horowitz report, which is due to come out fairly soon, that that was one of the subjects tackled in that meeting. And the transcript that the president has been touting about the first call between him and president zelensky of the ukraine, that is sensibly going to be released still . Well, we thought it was going to come out today. We thought it was going to come out earlier this week. We dont believe that is coming out this evening. I talked to a white house official earlier today about this who said that this first call transcript, if you want to call it a transcript, it may be a summary transcript of the president s phone call when he congratulated zelensky for winning the election in ukraine, that that was ready to go, that it had cleared all the hurdles inside the white house, including the white House Counsels office and was awaiting word from the president that it was okay to issue that rough call transcript. It has not been issued, and there is no timetable as to when its going to happen. I was told by an official earlier today the timing of that release is fluid, anderson. Right. Clearly the fact that the president has been touting it, the president is pretty pleased with what is in that call transcript, although he seemed fine whats in the other call transcript. Right. Which obviously a lot of other people see differently, and anders. Andantes we should point out it is what matters oin the july 25th phone call. To say look, i didnt do anything in this other call transcript that doesnt have anything to do with whether or not there was an illegal quid pro quo that was the subject of that july 25th phone call. And the subject of weeks of work before and months of work before and after. Jim acosta, thanks very much. Joining us now one of the questioners tomorrow, California Democratic congresswoman Jackie Speier is here with me. The change Speaker Pelosi using the word bribery, is that more of sort of a messaging that the whole quid pro quo is not something which is a term commonly used by people, but bribery is far more understandable, extortion, things like that and also bribery is mentioned in the constitution . Well, the fact that bribery is mentioned in the constitution is something the American People grab on to. Treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors. And the elements of a bribery taking place are just so clear. You have a public official who either directly or indirectly asked for something of value in exchange for doing an official act that is what President Trump did. And so i think that the only thing that we have to establish is was there corrupt intent . And i think i dont have to look at his actions. He is withholding information from the committee. He is preventing many people from testifying before the committee. He had a back channel with Rudy Giuliani and others to pursue it. You start adding all of that together, and you have a pretty solid case. Do. You think that there would be more than just the issue with ukraine, if it does come to articles of impeachment, that it would be obstruction of justice from the Mueller Report would be involved as well . There was clearly obstruction of justice. It was spelled out in the Mueller Report. He chose not to pursue it because of the guidelines within the department of justice about not indicting a sitting president. But i dont think were going to walk down that path. I think were staying very focused on the ukraine phone call. On the argument that many republicans are making and certainly tomorrow it seems like what the ambassador is going to be making as well, she really had no knowledge of she wasnt talking to the president and all this other stuff is hearsay. We hear this now, third, fourth, fifthhand. First of all, hearsay is like circumstantial evidence. And in most crimes, its circumstantial evidence that actually solves the crime. And we also have this summary of the president s phone conversation, and then we have his actions afterwards. And now we evidently have mr. Sondland talking to the president in which the president says how about the investigation. So its pretty straight forward. Sondland never mentioned this other call. I believe in his testimony, he said he couldnt remember there were one or two calls with him and the president. But correct me if im wrong, he never mentioned this other call at the dinner that now that ambassador taylor referenced one of his aides heard. Thats right. Whats so interesting is you have the president saying well, i really dont know much about the gentleman, except that he gave this gentleman his personal cell phone number and evidently ambassador sondland has him on speed dial. There was probably at least six phone conversations that they had. Its also for a candidate like for President Trump, who as a candidate was very upset about the security violations or, you know, the Security Standards of secretary clinton, to be using a cell phone in a restaurant in ukraine of all places, that sort of violates every norm of trying to keep secrets from your adversaries. And the president using a cell phone as well, which he does and have erboten, actually, russia could know more about this conversation than well ever know. Mark sandy, the attorney for the omb is going to testify on saturday if subpoenaed. He would be the first witness from the omb. Prior to this there had been testimony that somebody at the omb had said that this that the president was holding up the aid. Do you know much about this witness, what he will testify to . Well, we know he is a career civil servant. He has been in and out of omb for a number of years. We also know that he did sign the july hold on the military aid. Subsequent holds on the military aid were done by political appointees. So it will be interesting to see what happened. It appears that he, without having had the interview yet, was resistant or asking questions about why they were putting a hold on it. Do you know is it one step closer to trying to figure out exactly how that order came down . Because i mean it seems Something Like putting a hold on aid, you would think there would be a large paper trail on Something Like that. Well, you can withhold typically there is a process by which you use either rescission or whats called reprograming. Neither of those things took place. Normally there is some description as to why there is a hold put, and obviously there wasnt any in this case at all. And then we have, you know, a number of incidents where weve heard from people who said that it was being weve got Text Messages from volker and sondland about the fact that the president was holding the military aid until there was an investigation announced. If the ultimate goal is to get some republicans in the senate to if this goes to impeachment, to get some republicans in the senate to kind of look at this with different eyes, do you think any move has been made toward that thus far with the testimony . You know, how do you know . Every day there is another disclosure, there is another bombshell. The conversation at a restaurant now is new information that we didnt know about a day ago. So i think what we have to do is just do our job. And this inquiry will move forward. We will present our evidene to the judiciary committee. They will assess whether or not theyre going to create articles of impeachment, and then the house will take it up. Congresswoman speier, we appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Busy day. With the testimony tomorrow, the new allegation of bribery will discuss the allegations the white house is facing with our legal and political folks, as well as a veteran in the watergate scandal. Also, the Deadly School shooting today just north of los angeles and the latest what went on. Rm beeping welcome to our busy world. Where we all want more energy. But with less carbon footprint. Can we have both . At bp, were working every day to make energy thats cleaner and better. 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Well, for the first time, House Speaker nancy pelosi is calling allegations against President Trump, quote, bribery. We talked about that just a moment ago with congresswoman speier. Specifically, she said of wednesdays hearing, quote, the devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery uncovered in the inquiry. Now, as we mentioned up top, bribery is not only a specific crime that is maybe easier for voters to understand, its also specifically mentioned in the constitution as an impeachable offense. Joined now but our legal and political folks, john dean, jeffrey toobin, gloria borger, a and jen psaki. I think they are getting away from quid pro quo because most americans, except david gergen speak english rather than latin. And bribery is also a it is clear what it is and there is evidence to support it. Personally, i think extortion may be a more accurate description. B but is it a little late for them to try to be rewriting, remarketing what this thing was . I dont think so. The facts are the fax. We are now moving into the impeachment process. And it happens to be true that the constitution speaks specifically of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. But gloria, what changed . Why do you think they made this change . Quid pro quo wasnt working. It was complicated, latin, as you point out. And the president you know, the supporters of the president kept saying well, you cant have a quid pro quo if there wasnt aid. The aid wasnt stopped. They got the aid. So where is the quo . Would that be . You have to ask gergen. But i think as a result, pelosi and also adam schiff started doing it earlier started saying look, this is easier for people to digest. And by the way, i just happen to have article ii of the constitution here. And it says that a president can be removed on conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. So when you have it there, you use the word. David, its a lot easier to argue somebody took a bribe or offered a bribe than it is to get into a conversation about what is a high crime or misdemeanor. Because its exactly in the constitution. I think this gives democrats a little more leverage. And its clear with the public. And what the democrats need overall is they need a much better messaging process of their own. They need some gravitas in the way we talk about this. John, is this is what its like . I would agree. And i dont think its too late to put that word out, and that word will likely stick more than quid pro quo, which is kind of confusing. I think that the quid pro quo really started in the white house with trump, who when he was making some of these calls to people like sondland said for goodness sake, say there is no quid pro quo, because he had been tutored on that somewhere along the line, and then he would go ahead and commit a bribery. Does is this just smant tib semantics . Does it matter . Theyre trying to broaden this beyond trump. Theyre trying to make this beyond what precedent there should be for any president. Should we accept, the American Public accept that a president of the United States could be bribing a foreign official in exchange for military assistance . I think thats good messaging if they can stick to that. I also saw watched a dam schiff say yesterday this was directed by President Trump. And i expect were going to hear more of that from the democrats as well. I dont think its too late. Its the beginning of the public portion of this, and some of the public i think is just tuning in. I will say what i think is amazing about this, if its bribery, if thats what it, he is using taxpayer money much like his foundation used other donors money that was funneled through his own foundation. I dont know. Its a web. It seems like that hes fingerprint. Everybody has a signature. Its definitely not too late. This is the very beginning of this process, and i do think that it has a lot to do not just with messaging, but i do think the fact that it is the word in the constitution. And so something when you speak that way and you explain to people the constitution explicitly says this, and this is what he did, its much easier for people to understand why he might get impeached. This is a branding issue. Obviously, what they had been doing wasnt working. It wasnt all that compelling. So they do need a simpler way to explain it. I really think one of the messages theyre going continue to get tripped up on is theyre trying to force people into a binary choice. Either you support trump all the way and you condone all this, or you want impeachment for bribery. And i just think republicans are going to wind up with varying levels of discomfort. Some will say i dont have any problem. Some a little, some will i say i have a lo. But none of that group wants to go all the way to impeachment. Democrats seem to trying to be force the American Public into a binary. You love him or you have to impeach him, when were on the eve of an election. Most people who are torn about this or confused may just default to the political remedy is an election. I think a lot of folks are going to go that way. I dont think thats the democrats strategy, or weve seen any semblance of what youve said. I was talking about the republican strategy. Well, i just dont think thats what theyre trying to convey. It is amazing, though, that were sitting here and youre suggesting as republican strategist that just kick trump out of office at the election. No. Im suggesting that republicans who have varying degrees of discomfort with this, who dont want to impeach the president may prefer to say as a messaging tactic the American People should have a say in this, not the partisans in washington. Do you remember when congressman rooney came out from florida and said im going to be around longer. 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Xfinity mobile. Click, call or visit a store today. Well, another big day tomorrow, particularly for republicans, who like to say hearsay at the damaging testimony conducted thus far. Asked the top diplomat to the eu of the status of investigations during a cell phone conversation is set to appear before the house impeachment inquiry but thats going to be behind closed doors tomorrow. Thats in addition to a second day of public testimony, this time with the ousted ambassador to ukraine. Back with our team. Kirsten, there is something you wanted to mention . Right before we went to break you were saying there are a lot of republicans who are uncomfortable with what he did, but they dont want to impeach the president. Sure. But isnt shouldnt they be looking at what the facts are and then deciding whether or not they want to impeach him . Youre basically just saying because they like the president , theyre not even considering the fact that he may have violated the constitution. Well, im saying a lot of republicans i have spoken to have exhibited varying degrees of discomfort. Some very little and some say bad judgment, some say man, that was terrible. But to rise to the most grave action you can take in our system against the president of the United States, especially on the eve of an election makes almost all of them uncomfortable. We just dont use impeachment like this. And so they dont really . They dont believe, they dont believe that what he did should be especially because were on the eve of another political remedy. So if we werent on the eve of an election, youre saying they would support impeachment . Im saying that in the clinton instance, there was no remedy. It was in a second term. So that made it more likely if you wanted to try to remedy. In this case there is a remedy that doesnt take it out of the hands of the American People. But the constitution doesnt say unless an election is less than a year away. The constitution says you should be removed from office, period. Thats it. Jeff, about the hearsay thing, we talked about this before. Uhhuh. This is obviously not a courtroom. Correct. And yet hearsay is used as evidence in many cases. Yes. A little Law School Class now. Hearsay is an outofCourt Statement offered for the truth of the fact asserted. Thats something you learn in law school. An out of Court Statement offered for the truth of the fact stated. See, this is why i never went to law school. But what as you pointed out at the beginning of the program, there are 23 statutory exceptions to the hearsay rule. And one of the things you learn in trying cases is that hearsay, those exceptions cover a lot. And if youre a good lawyer, you can get most hearsay in. It is, however, true, and i think its important that we acknowledge this that putting aside the legalities, the republicans are right that if youre going to impeach donald trump, you need to talk about what donald trump did and said and ordered. And that has to be proven in different ways. And some of it is you show the implications of what he ordered, and thats really what ken and taylor were about on the first day. But i dont think the republicans are wrong to demand evidence of what donald trump actually did. And i think thats more important than any sort of legal rule. But the republicans are treating us like idiots. They just they say youre only bringing forth hearsay. You dont have any firsthand information. We know there are three people who know exactly what happened. One is named giuliani. One is the guys chief of staff mulvaney and the third is bolton. Bolton. And whats happened here . They all three have been called. The president said no, you must not talk. So the republicans then come up and say well you only have hearsay. Well, come on. Stop treating us so stupidly like were children. The other argument on the hearsay thing is there were a lot of folks doing a lot of somersaults in order to execute the president s policy. And so if its not the president directing it, essentially, then, the republicans are saying giuliani, you know, rick perry is doing his own Foreign Policy deal in ukraine, all these people are kind of working toward this end with no central organizing structure. Let me ask the lawyers. Circumstantial evidence. Wouldnt that be all these people suddenly telling the same story . Different pieces of the story. And they all match. Thats true. But i think its always important to remember that impeachment is a political process much more than a legal process. In trying to sort out evidence into different categories, i mean, its interesting, but i think ultimately what matters is what persuades politicians and the voters who elect them. You know, it is, of course, outrageous that republicans are complaining about the absence of hearing trumps words when the people who heard trumps words are not being allowed to testify. Scott, would you like to see mulvaney and bolton testify . Well, i with us in this position once. I was subpoenaed by congress, but i was a sitting white house staffer. And what they ultimately decided for me is you have to go up there, but well have a lawyer sit beside you and tell you what questions you can answer or not. So i got stuck in the middle of one of these privilege issues. These are higher ranking staffers than i was. As mr. Gergen knows, there is a tradition of them not having to comply with these types of subpoenas. It doesnt always work. In the case of Harriet Miers case, the court ruled against her. But there is the office of legal opinion from the doj if only john dean were here. We could talk about. But putting that aside, would you like to hear from them . As a citizen, would you like the hear what they have to say . I will give you im torn, because yes, of course. I want to know the truth. On the other hand, as a former executive branch guy, i am protected by the separation of powers. I just want to make one point about this. Youre right about it sometimes is accepted, sometimes its not accepted. But president s with integrity act to tell the truth and get it out there. When Ronald Reagan had iran contra, he told everybody on his staff, all the white house you must comply with the request to testify and you must turn over the documents. And to sit there and say oh, no, no, we cant do that, we got to find a precedent here, a precedent there. When youve got an impeachment proceeding Going Forward and the country is in a grave moment and the president of the United States normally steps up to it. Well, i would just say that what the Republican White House would say to that line of thinking in this case is this impeachment inquiry didnt attract a single republican vote. And because it is a hyper partisan process, band because of how they acted during the mueller probe, we dont trust that they are honest brokers or good faith actors in this process that would be the retort. Were going take a break. Well see you become in our second hour tonight. Coming up next, the other story tonight, which sadly is the nations latest School Shooting. Well have the latest on that when we continue. Get the perfectly grilled flavors of an outdoor grill indoors, and because its a ninja foodi, it can do even more, like transform into an air fryer. The ninja foodi grill, the grill that sears, sizzles, and air fry crisps. 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With every update, every tear, each question why, another sad picture comes into focus. 16 seconds is all it took, according to authorities. 16 seconds. And now a 16yearold boy and a 14yearold girl are dead. Three classmates are wounded. The suspect, also a student, is also badly wounded in what began this morning as any other thursday at saugus high. I heard the first shot, and everyone thought it was a balloon, and it got really quiet. And then two more shots went. And then everyone just started running out of school. Reporter it was around 7 30 a. M. , about 20 minutes before the start of classes at Saugus High School. Some students were just arriving when the shooting started. When we heard the first gunshot, we thought it was not something serious, and then we heard two more. Reporter Law Enforcement were on the scene within minutes, and parents soon received this emergency alert. Hold for an important message. Active shooter at Saugus High School. All schools in the vicinity are on lockdown. Reporter some students ran for shelter in neighboring houses. Others were trapped in the school. We heard from our friends who are still stuck in school that theyre hiding in closets. Theyre just trying to find anything. Theyre texting us that theyre scared to die and theyre hiding in closets. Its very sad. Reporter police say the gunman is a student at Saugus High School. Detectives have reviewed the video at the scene, which clearly show the subject in the quad withdraw a handgun from his backpack, shoot and wound five people and then shoot himself in the head. Reporter two of those five were killed, a 16yearold girl and a 14yearold boy. The shooter survived and is being treated at the hospital. His motive still unknown. You wont let go of your daughter . No. Im scared. Its very scary. We ran we heard the one shot, and then four after. And we just started running. And all i heard was all these kids running and just screaming and calling their parents. And it was very sad. Reporter terrified parents waited to be reunited with their children at a designated holding area. This mom says her son called her crying after he heard the gunshots and immediately drove to the school to try and find him. Shocked. Where are you, honey . Okay. Can you just stay there, shawn . And well walk there to you. Okay. Okay. Im going to walk to get you. Dont move, please. I just knee you just need to be in my arms right now, okay . Reporter like so many other schools in america, the students of Saugus High School had active shooter training, but no amount of training prepared them for the shock and fear they experienced this morning. And amber miller is a senior at saugus. She was there this morning. She joins us now. Amber, thank you so much for being with us. Im glad youre doing okay. You were i think you were in your first period math class before it began when the shooting started. Can you just walk us through what you heard . Yeah. Like you said, i was in my first period math class, just preparing like any other day. And all of the sudden i see this guy barge in, and he screams gunshots. And i happened to not really be paying attention. I was on my phone. And my best friend looked at me. She tapped me on my shoulder and said you need to get down, under the desk. I was okay. So i get under the desk and the lights turn off, and pretty quickly, a bunch of students jumped up, grabbed desks and tables, pushed them against the door, stacked them against one another, and we all huddled into a corner. And i was with three of my really close best friends, and we just sat there for what seemed a really long time. Im guessing it was about an hour 15, an hour and a half. And we just waited for it to be over. Is that something you had trained for . I assume i believe the school has had active shooter training. Have you gone through that . Yeah. I mean, of course our school did a pretty good job of trying to teach whats to do, but its really hard to know what to do when someone is actually there with a gun and your life is actually threatened. So i dont even think any amount of training or preparation could prepare us for what happened today. What was it like . You were waiting i think for more than an hour. Are you at that point, are people talking . Are you just i assume do you know whats going on outside . Are you on your phones . Yeah, so a bunch of us were on our phones texting one another, texting our moms, our dads. I was on instagram and snapchat, just trying to get information. But there were so many things being told, i just remember being told like three people had been shot. And then four people died. Just so much misinformation was being thrown at us. And we were all talking, me and my group of friends. There was four of us. We were all talking, and we just had no idea what was happening outside. And after the police arrived, what happened . I assume its Police Officers who came into your class . Yeah, yeah. I believe like five Police Officers came in. And i actually heard them in the classrooms behind me before they even came in. And thats when i felt i think i felt more adrenaline and more fear because i dont know. It was just a break from this crazy calm. And they came in, and they had guns, and they had us put our hands up like this. And i was so scared. Luckily i had my phone and my keys in my pockets. Then they asked us to put our hands down and we walked outside. And thats when we all saw the backpacks open and everything, yeah. And i know its important for you to let people know about the spirit of your school and the community right now. Yeah. Were all trying really hard to band together, and i know that everybody is really trying to advocate for change. I know i am. I want something to be done. I mean, it breaks my heart that more kids have to die for us to do something in this country. It really, really, really breaks my heart. Ember miller, i appreciate you being with us. Im glad youre okay. Well talk about again. Take care. Thank you so much. Again, the nation wonders what will change. A student who survived the parkland florida rampage and took action to prevent scenes like this from happening again. He joins me next. T a car, i never compromise. Too shabby too much i can rent this . For that price . Absolutely. Its just right book your just right rental at thrifty. Com. Its just right at verizon, were building the most powerful 5g experience for america. Thats why the nfl chose verizon. Because they need the massive capacity of 5g with ultra wideband, so more screaming, streaming, posting fans. Can experience 5g all at once. This is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. Now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl. 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Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, remission is possible. The attack at saugus high brings the number of School Shootings in the u. S. To 44 this year alone. As the l. A. County sheriff briefed reporters on the tragedy, he noted what others must have thought about as they watched todays disturbingly normal scene. I hate to have saugus be added to the names of columbine, parkland, sandy hook, but its a reality that affects us all throughout the nation, something were going to have to deal with. The sheriff mentioned parkland, florida. Thats where Cameron Caskey survived the shootings one year and nine months ago today. He joins me tonight. Cameron, thanks for being with us. I talk to a lot of folks who have been through these kind of shootings and they say every time they hear about the next one or another one, it sort of brings it all back. Well, at this point the real the real disappointment today after seeing this horrible tragedy unfold was just seeing further evidence that there is going to be no action taken, because right as the shooting was unfolding, cindy hydesmith, a republican senator from mississippi, was blocking a bill that is bipartisan backed for universal background checks that was introduced in february, stating that she doesnt believe that bills that would infringe peoples Second Amendment rights should be, quote unquote, fast tracked. Well, that raises a lot of questions for people who have endured these mass shootings, namely, what does fast mean to you . Because this bill has been collecting dust since february on senator mcconnells desk. Of course hes not going to address it because it doesnt involve the sugar coating of White Supremacy so its obviously not in the world of his interest. But is this fast tracking . 44 School Shootings this year. Is that fast to you . How many more bodies need to pile up before a bill that is bipartisan backed is considered slow enough for you, cindy hydesmith . It appears as though republican inaction has a new face. So thats what were seeing today. The Washington Post reported a short time ago that a couple of weeks ago that the white house has basically abandoned the idea of releasing any proposals to combat gun violence. I assume that has something to do also not only with just the president s beliefs, but also the upcoming election. Did you have faith at all that the president would actually move forward on any sort of meaningful Gun Legislation . Well, like cindy hydesmith, trump is taking money from the nra. At the end of the day, inaction can very, very be clearly traced back to taking money from the National Rifle association. Which as much as it has been depleting is still a financial force. It is still an enemy that a lot of people who believe in the safety of American Children and people everywhere need to keep in focus. So, no, i dont believe that with somebody like trump as president anything is going to be done. We banned bump stocks. That is nothing. That is an insult to the people who are losing their lives every single day. So what happens now . I mean where do you see i think the last time you and i talked, and ive talked to other young people who were at parkland, you know, a lot of the emphasis they have been putting on is on whats happening in states. Theres been progress in various states. In that make you hopeful . Well, at the end of the day you can look at chicago. Chicago has rampant gun violence that tears communities apart. And chicago is in a state with great gun laws. The fact of the matter is anybody can drive to indiana, buy guns in bulk, bring them right back over to chicago and sell them for more money because at the end of the day, state laws are important, but in the big picture, every state law is only as strong as the laws were passing on a national level. And that is incredibly important to remember. So while every single victory is saving lives and there are laws being passed everywhere to make people safer, we have so far to go. Until we elect somebody into office who is going to actually take a stance here and not just pander like a psychopath, were not going to see any change. Cameron, appreciate it. Thanks for being with us. Coming up ahead, Speaker Pelosi now believes President Trump admitted bribery. Plus were just hours from hearing from the ambassador forced out as Rudy Giuliani and company moved in. More on that as well ahead. Them. Who e thats why were offering 50 off family lines for military, veterans and first responders. 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