According to congressman schiff, the Inspector General has done. Now, we dont know what this whistleblower complaint is. Neither, apparently, does congress, but the Inspector General does and according to schiff, they judged it to be both credible and urgent. According to the law, once the Inspector General has reported the whistleblower complaint to the director of National Intelligence, the statute says, and im quoting, the director shall within seven calendar days of such repeat forward such transmittal to the congressional intelligence committees together with any comments the director considers appropriate. And thats what acting dni maguire is refusing to do. Hes refusing to turn over the complaint from the Inspector General that the Inspector General has already signed off on to the congressional intelligence committees. Now, again, we dont know what the nature of the complaint is, but if congressman schiff is correct, the Inspector General thought it credible and urgent. And the law is very specific. It even defines what an urgent concern is. Its, and im quoting now, a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law, or executive order or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the director of National Intelligence, involving classified information. I know its confusing, but it continues. The Inspector General reports this urgent complain to the dni, but the dni is refusing to inform congress about it, as required by the law. Now, his office last night told the House Intelligence Committee it does not meet the definition of urgent concern, because it doesnt relate to activity under his supervision or doesnt involve conduct by a person in the Intelligence Community. Now, we have no idea if thats true or not, because we dont know what the complaint is about. Whats interesting, though, is that over the weekend, congressman schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, had another explanation about why the acting dni is not complying with the law. Listen. According to the director of National Intelligence, the reason hes not acting to provide it, even though the statute mandates that he do so, is because he is being instructed not to. That this involves a higher authority, someone above the dni. So the idea that hes being that the dni is being instructed not to, that is chairman schiffs account. The dni in a letter to the Committee Said that the complaint involves, and im quoting, conduct by someone outside the Intelligence Community and involves confidential and potentially privileged matters relating to the interests of other stakeholders within the executive branch. So there are a lot of questions tonight without a lot of answers, but we might soon be getting them because tonight, just a short time ago, chairman schiff announced that the acting director will testify in public next week and the Intelligence CommunityInspector General will be testifying tomorrow behind closed doors. Joining us now, a member of the committee, democrat jim himes of connecticut. Congressman himes, this is confusing certainly to follow. In tomorrows hearing with the Intelligence Communitys Inspector General, who forwarded this report, saying it was an urgent concern, what exactly is the Inspector General going to be able to talk about . I know its behind closed doors, but is he going to be able to tell you what is actually in the complaint or who is instructing him or whos instructing the dni not to hand it over to your committee, if thats whats happening . Well, yes, i think he will be able to discuss whats in the report. Remember, the law requires him to forward that complaint to the relevant congressional committees, to my committee. This idea that the dni has the authority to say, no, i disagree with the Inspector Generals decision is lawless. Its made up out of whole cloth. He does not have authority to do that. And the reason thats important, anderson, and people need to understand this, because its not that complicated. Remember, a whistleblower is someone within an organization who says, somethings going on here that isnt quite right. The idea that the boss of that organization, in this case the acting dni could say, sorry, we dont agree that this should be dealt with outside, that betrays the whole purpose of having a whistleblower. Image this whistleblower right now is thinking to themselves, all the protections that i have, the whistleblower protections that i have by law, are now at risk because the boss decided lawlessly to stop this from happening. So at some level, its pretty simple, anderson. So let me just clarify that. Because this is interesting this is a real key point. Youre saying under law, if the Inspector General has forwarded this whistleblower complaint, as deemed it of urgent concern, deemed it a real issue, has forwarded it to the dni, youre saying the dni does not have the Legal Authority to say to not forward it on to congress . The dnis only option is to forward it on to congress and they can add comments if they want, saying, i dont think this is valid, i dont think this is under our purview. But he has to forward it to congress . Thats exactly right. And you said it exactly right. That the dni can add explanatory comments, but in this case, the dni appears to have consulted with the department of justice, which has no role under the law in this determination and is acting on the face of it. You dont even need to be a lawyer to understand this. Is acting illegally in doing this. By the way, quite apart from the law, which is pretty important in the United States of america, in the history of these referrals, there has never been a case in which the boss, in this case, the dni, has overruled an Inspector General or said that this is not a meritorious decision. It has never happened before. And the reason thats really important, quite apart from the rule of law, is that, again, think about the whistleblower. If the whistleblower doesnt know that they have the ability in a protected way to go to the congressional committees on things that are profoundly serious. I dont know whats in this complaint, but remember, the Intelligence Community takes lethal action. It surveils, it does really dangerous things. Inside the Intelligence Community, if someone doesnt believe that there is a legally protected route to get to people like me in the congress, behind closed doors, what happens . They go to the press. They do an Edward Snowden and they decide that thats the best way to blow our secrets out into the public. So while it may seem complicated, at some level, this is very simple. There is a law that determines how somebody who thinks that there has been wrongdoing can come to the congress and the dni is right now illegally standing in the way of that process. But just to be clear, i mean, in terms of what this whistleblower has raised or alleged whistleblower has raised, at this point, we dont and you dont know what is contained in that complaint . You dont know what this complaint is about at all, is that correct . Well, thats right. We do have a little bit of a hint. And you alluded to this in your opening. The dni in the letter to the Committee Said that this involves other executive department equities of people that quite frankly, when you read the language, would appear to reference the president. Because there arent other people other than the president of the United States who have privilege in the executive department. The president does have executive privilege. But again, there is no provision for the dni to make that determination. It is an illegal determination, standing in the way of a process that is essential to making sure that the Intelligence Community, you know, behaves itself and abides by the law. So just in terms of whats going to happen, i mean, tomorrow you have the Inspector General testifying behind closed doors to you. Next week, acting dni maguire is agreeing to testify in open session. Certainly, you know, as we saw yesterday with Corey Lewandowski, just because someone agrees to appear to a hearing these days, it doesnt mean theyre actually going to answer the questions questions. Do you have any guarantees that hell actually be forthcoming in his answers . Well, Inspector Generals, of course, by their very nature are supposed to be independent, theyre outside of the hierarchy, they cant get fired by the boss, in this case, the dni, so i do anticipate that the Inspector General, i hope the Inspector General will tell us what the substance of the complaint is. Look, maybe theres nothing to it. Maybe there is, maybe there isnt. We dont know. It appears to involve maybe the president of the United States, but we just dont know that. But we do need to know that and we need to make sure the integrity for whistleblowers is there. And by the way, anderson, we watched Corey Lewandowski yesterday simply refuse to answer the questions of the congress. So there needs to be accountability here. And it is time for the congress of the United States to start asserting its authority, probably through mechanisms like inherent contempt, where we start fining people and making people very, very uncomfortable when they thumb their nose at the elected representatives of the people of the United States of america. So this dni, Corey Lewandowski, and all of the other people who have come before congress and said, hey, guess what, im not answering your questions because donald trump doesnt want to, they need to be held accountable. And look, this is ant democratic antitrump thing. Our country doesnt work if the congress doesnt have the ability to do oversight of the executive branch. And my republican friends need to remember that there will be a democratic president some day and they will rue the day that they supported a republican president in thumbing their nose at the congress of the United States. Whoevers in power, we have checks and balances for a reason. And clearly, if this is a break this seems to be a breakdown, at the very least, not only in whistleblower protections, but in checks and balances, whatever the complaint may be. Congressman himes, appreciate it. Well learn more, hopefully, tomorrow. I want to get some perspective on all of this from cnn chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, and cnn legal and National Security analyst, asha rangappa, who is also a former fbi special agent. Jeff, look, obviously, democrats, were hearing from eric swalwell, adam schiff, congressman himes there. Theyre raising alarm bells about this. The bottom line is we have no idea if this is a legitimate complaint, we have no idea what this complaint is even about. Are they making too much of this or is this serious . Well, i dont think we have no idea. We have no idea of the substance, but we know its not a frivolous issue. I mean, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community has said, it is urgent. It is an urgent matter. So, its not just some crazy person, you know, with wearing a tinfoil hat. Now, whether it implicates the president , whether it actually is a substantive legal, important issue, you know, we dont know that for sure. But this is not a frivolous issue. But, jeff, couldnt it be a Personnel Matter, a Sexual Harassment matter of people who were working in the Intelligence Community . Absolutely. It could be something that is very specific to one person, not something that is, you know, related to policy. But it also, you know, given what the dni has said, director of intelligence, it does appear to involve someone very high ranking, someone with a privilege, someone either the president or someone in the white house complex. All of that, you know, suggests that they should just follow the law. Maybe its nothing. If its turned over and we learn that this is a Personnel Matter or a minor matter or a, you know, simply incorrect whistleblower complaint, fine. But the law is clear that the congress should be informed when the Inspector General says its an urgent matter. And asha, the law is clear, i assume, as congressman himes is pointing out, and correct me if im wrong, that the director of National Intelligence actually has no Legal Authority to not forward this. That according to the law, the dni has to forward it because the Inspector General has ruled this is an urgent concern. Is that correct . Thats right. The way the statute is worded, the dni is basically performing kind of a, just a procedural function. He doesnt have the discretion to determine whether or not something is urgent. That is placed in the discretion of the ig. The definition of whether something is urgent is whether there has been some kind of abuse or violation of law or, you know, illegal order or Something Like that. So it does have to meet a certain kind of definition. But once that determination is made, it has to move forward. So the issue here is that, that the dni has taken on this veto power. And i would also say that i would question the assertion of some privilege, because, you know, weve seen that this white house has a very expansive view of privilege. It may not be a senior person. I mean, it could be Corey Lewandowski. It could be ivankas nextdoor neighbor. I mean, you know, they are willing to claim privilege for many people who dont have it. So i also wouldnt necessarily say that its the president or even somebody super senior, given how theyve used that term. Jeff, chairman schiff has said that acting dni maguire told him he wasnt handing over the complaint because someone above him was instructing him not to. Im not clear exactly whos above i mean, dni is sort of an amorphous i mean, its an unusual position in that it actually has no, you know, theyre not collecting intelligence, theyre not he heading an agency, theyre overseeing the coordination of the Intelligence Community. Right. But, you know, the dni is subject to senate confirmation. So, you know, the only person technically he reports to is the president. I mean, if you want to be literal, i believe, on an organizational chart, the only person above him is the president of the United States. Asha, what about the rationale for not turning over the complaint. That it doesnt meet the definition of being an urgent concern, that it doesnt actually involve an intelligence activity or somebody in the Intelligence Community. Well, the substance of the complaint is going to be kept opaque until it finally reaches congress. Remember that this particular statute is sort of the alternative mechanism for whistleblowers when it involves classified information. Thats why theres this whole separate process thats set up. But ultimately, the idea is to get this complaint, make sure that its credible so it goes through this process and get it to the intelligence committees. Its just giving it to them for their attention. It doesnt mean its going to become public. And i think its really undermining their oversight authority. And i should add, anderson, that the reporting requirement is not just for the House Intelligence Committee, but also for the Senate Intelligence committee. So it will be interesting to see whether senators warner and burr also, you know, stake out some kind of interest in getting this information as well. To that end, our colleague, ted barrett, just spoke to senator warner, whos the ranking democrat on intelligence, and he said that he thinks that there will be some resolution of this next week. Well see. Asha rangappa and jeff toobin, thanks very much. Still to come tonight, did iran commit an act of war . The secretary of state thinks so. His boss, President Trump, less so, it seems. The disconnect on National Security, next. Also, after a week of stumbles and unforced errors, well examine whether the democrats are hurting themselves in their confrontations with the president. 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Appearing with his new National Security adviser, the president also hit back at senator lindsey graham, who had suggested on twitter that the president s previous responses to iran had shown weakness. But if you ask lindsey, howd it go going into the middle east . Howd that work out . And howd going into iraq work out . So we have a disagreement on that. And you know, theres plenty of time to do some dastardly things. Joining me to talk about it, Fareed Zakaria, cnn host of Fareed Zakaria gps. Certainly, i guess you could say, mixed messages from the secretary of state and the president. And its so fascinating, because were really seeing you know, despite the president s often tough talk, there is a real streak of not wanting to you know, its an understandable position, not wanting to get involved in another iraq, another conflict in the middle east. You know, theres a kind of fundamental incoherence in trumps foreign policy, which is he is, himself, fairly cautious. He really doesnt like the idea of getting into wars. Thats always been his position. But hes surrounded himself with these super hawks. And at times listens to them. So if this was his position, why would you withdraw from the Iran Nuclear Deal which had put iran in a box. Iran was abiding by it. Everyone said they werent acquiring nuclear capacity, and you could work to deal with their other actions. By withdrawing from the deal, weve set in chain a sort of series of actions, because what has happened here is iran is now struggling to figure out what to do. The u. S. Sanctions, the fact that the sanctions are so tight, that no one else can do business with iran are strangling with iran. So the iranians are sort of searching for some path. They first went to the europeans and said, can you give us relief . Can you find a way to do business with us . The europeans tried. Cant. The dollar is too strong. You have to use the dollar to do international deals. So this is their other path, which is, okay, you put maximum pressure on us, we are going to show you, we can put maximum pressure on you. And the single here is crucially, if you want a war, this is the kind of response we could do. We could shut down Saudi Oil Production. This one strike shut 50 of Saudi Oil Production down. Which is something saudi arabia seems very aware of, the saudi prince, cnns reporting tonight that saudi prince bin salman actually met with u. S. Officials at the end of august, essentially saying, saudi arabia does not want the u. S. To get into an Armed Conflict with iran. They dont want saudi arabia to get into an Armed Conflict with iran. Exactly. The saudis appear to be backing off as well. Everyone has been sobered up by this. Because you suddenly realize the stakes have gotten very high. And again, whats puzzling is, why did we go down this path . What was the point of trying to strangle iran, without a Clear Strategy . And this is where i think trump is beginning to realize that hes been illserved by the advisers he had. Thats perhaps why he fired bolton. Thats perhaps why hes now essentially directly contradicting his closest ally in the senate, lindsey graham, and seems to be contradicting pompeo, who inexplicably is taking this independent line, independent off the president. So if its true that iran is just sort of sending a signal with this, look at what we can do, do they want war . If theyre being strangled in sanctions, obviously a war is costly not only in human lives, but, you know, for a country being strangled, its not an easy thing to wage a war. Its not, but i think theyre feeling as though theyre getting strangled anyway. Theyre in a bad situation and wherever you put a country under that much pressure, they have less to lose. Also, i think whats going on is theres an internal dynamic here in iran. There were people in iran who told rouhani zarand zarif, the Iranian Foreign minister, dont trust the americans and dont do this deal. It all played in parliament. Dont do the nuclear deal . Dont do the nuclear deal. The americans will double cross you, theyll draw, theyll put sanctions back and well destroy our Nuclear Facilities for nothing. And thats essentially exactly what happened. So the Supreme Leader is now listening to the hard liners, the hawks and the people in the revolutionary guard and perhaps this is their preferred tactic. Theyve always wanted a little bit more of a sense of, we can fight back, weve got proxies all over in yemen, in syria, in iraq, even in afghanistan, why dont we use them . Its so fascinating to see what happens next, given if pompeo saying this is an act of war and iran, you know, that sort of leads down one path, well see where the president decides to go. Fareed zakaria, thank you very much. 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Again, automakers seem to disagree and clearly so does californias leadership. Were winning. And thats the frustration hes having. We are winning. Hes losing. And were winning because we have the law, science, and facts on our side. And we have not only the formal authority, we have the moral authority. And that is something missing in this white house. Well, this could get very messy in the legal dimension for a very long time. Its also playing out in the political arena, where california makes a convenient culture war target for the president and vice versa for Governor Newsom. More on all of this now from cnns senior political commentator and former Obama White House adviser David Axelrod and New York Times analyst, maggie haberman. What do you think the strategy is behind this for President Trump . I think a combination of factors. Your point that this is a good target for the president in terms of the culture war is certainly one of them. And its also a way for him to look as if hes being tough in terms of ending the regulatory state, which has been a big piece of his administrations Campaign Promises and something that others, don mcgahn and others, steve bannon, said they were going to try to do and i think this is about reminding his base. I dont think you can divorce any of this from the fact that the state of california had tried to make being on the ballot conditional on releasing your taxes. And that was aimed squarely at donald trump. And you think this is payback for that . At least in part. I dont think its the only motivation, but i certainly think its impossible to look at anything Going Forward between gam gavin newsom and President Trump as away from that. David, how much of this is also the president , Governor Newsom getting underneath the president s skin . Well, im sure theres some of that. I think what maggie said makes great sense. You know, that was an assault on the president. The demand for his tax returns. But i do think this serves his larger political project. You know, california is a symbol of liberalism and he wants to make the case that, you know, out of control, liberalism is what he is fighting and, you know, the homeless problem, you know, he didnt he really wasnt talking about solving the problem. He really went to exploit it and he went to exploit it by saying, everyone else is being victimized by these Homeless People and this is what you get under this kind of leadership. And that serves his everything the president does politically, to my mind, ultimately boils down to trying to drive these big cultural wedges in our political environment and our society. And he exploits them. And this was part of it. One thing i want to say, though, on the fuel efficiency standards, you know, im old enough to remember when the Republican Party was a Free Trade Party for balanced budgets and for federalism. And this is a huge intrusion on californias prerogatives that the president is engaging in but california made a deal with right. California made a deal with a number, i think it was four, automakers about standards. So youre saying, essentially, that this is an intrusion on californias ability to do that . Well, its just on their rights as a state. We should note that the Justice Department then opened up an antitrust investigation against the four automakers for cutting the deal with california. So this is a fullscale war on the state of california. And 13 other states have followed californias standard. A third of the country lives under these california standards, so it would be a huge setback for the fight against climate change. Tailpipe admissions being the chief cause of these greenhouse gases, if the president were to prevail here. Its also, obviously, for Governor Newsom, there is an advantage beyond just the environmental interest and the politics of it all. Going toetotoe with President Trump and beating him on some issues. Which he said. I mean, he made very clear, were winning and hes not and that is getting very frustrating to him. I think that gavin newsom has had Higher Office ambitions for a very long time and i dont think that this is divorced from that. I do think it helps him. I think that at a certain point, it is going to come at potentially greater and greater costs to his state and i dont know what that looks like Going Forward. I would say i am struck by watching this, less in terms of the emission standards, but more in terms of the homeless crackdowns theyre talking about, in very vague terms. But what is striking about the donald trump candidacy is the way he is targeting this states homeless problem as if there is nothing else nationally is fascinating to watch. Also, if you just look at the homeless populations, new york i think the last number the last numbers that there were national numbers, new york is the largest, l. A. Is second, seattle, i think is third. Although i think theres been an 8 drop over last year. Theres obviously, San Francisco is theres a huge issue on the west coast, but it is a nationwide issue. And its not something there is no easy solution to this. No, and to your point, it certainly is right at home for the president in his hometown. Its not something weve heard him talk about other than taking a disparaging shot at bill de blasio, the mayor, from time to time. But its strange watching him approach it this way. Its interesting that the president is obviously, its one of these things that people see homelessness, and therefore its something that he wants to be seen as doing something about, but again, it is not if there was an easy solution to homelessness, it would have been solved already. It is a very complex thing and there are many different kinds of people who are homeless for many different reasons. It is a complex thing, and his administration has taken some steps at it that in many ways have affected it negatively. I dont think this was about solving a problem, anderson. I think it was about exploiting a problem. His message to the rest of the country is, this is what these crazy leftwing liberals and radicals produce with their dissolute policies and this is what im fighting. I think he was using the homeless as a backdrop for his political project here. You know, hes never evidenced any interest in the homeless before. Yeah. Maggie haberman, David Axelrod, thanks very much. Just ahead, are democrats their own worst enemy when it comes to running against President Trump . Two former president ial candidates and governors, howard dean and john kasich are next. My grandfather had an amazing life, but ancestry showed me so much more than i could have imagined. 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Theres concern among some democrats that theyve done a good job this week of making President Trumps case for him on a number of issues, starting with the impeachment investigation. The house judiciary committees first big televised hearing fizzled after Corey Lewandowski successfully stonewalled. Likewise, beto orourkes comment at last weeks debate that he would take away all ar15s is now being used by President Trump to backtrack on gun control legislation. He tweeted today, quote, dummy beto made it much harder to make a deal, convince many that dems just want to take your guns away. Well continue forward. And then theres brett kavanaugh. Many democrats, including some president ial candidates called for Justice Kavanaughs impeachment after a new allegation of Sexual Harassment was published in a New York Times essay. The essay was missing key details found in the book that severely undermined the impact of that new allegation. I want to get some analysis. Former democratic president ial candidate and dnc chairman howard dean and cnn senior political commentator former republican ohio governor, john kasich. Governor dean, all of this taken together, are democrats making the president s job easier for him here . You know, im not sure what theyre doing. In terms of the impeachment stuff, look, you have to get to the bottom of what really happened and you need the facts. So i dont think kavanaugh is going to get impeached. I think people are upset with whats happened with the Supreme Court over the last 40 years. 75 of young americans, 35 and under, believe the Supreme Court is more interested in politics than they are the law. Thats a big, big problem for the country. So the kavanaugh stuff is a symptom of that, certainly not the cause. Governor kasich, i mean, how important obviously, this is very early stages in this election, but how important is it that the democrats at large or any party is cohesive in its message, or at least not making unforced errors as it heads into an Election Year . Yeah, well, first of all, i always like being with howard dean. Hes a smart guy and hes, you know, hes got a lot of wisdom, to tell you the truth. Look, i think howard would agree with this. This is going to be a mammoth turnout. So when people worry, are you kind of stoking the other side, i mean, anderson, theres no more stoking the gun people. Theyre as stoked as you can get them. So the question is turnout, and i think its going to be enormous. The question is will the democrats be able to talk a little bit more about bread and butter issues, the family table. Thats what i had a democrat call me last night and say, whats going on in your part of ohio thats been heavy democrat, thats voted for trump. He goes, sometimes i feel like theyre talking to the professors at the University Rather than to our folks who are really caring about the Kitchen Table issues. I think they have to be careful about that. But governor kasich, if beto orourke is saying, you know, im going to yeah, i am coming for your ak47s, i am coming for your ar15s, i am coming for your guns, i cant believe that doesnt stoke up some people who doesnt it confirm every farright Conspiracy Theory that the democrats want to take your guns . Well, you know, i think it was a crazy statement, but that brings us to the craziness of these debates. These parties, look what happened to us in 16. Its happening now. These debates are not serving the selection of our best leaders. They drive people to the extremes. And so, you know, beto, when he was running for the senate said, oh, i dont want to take your guns. Now he turns around and says he has to, because hes got to get attention. Does that mean that the progun people are more stirred up because of what he said . Now, some of them will run around and say, see, i told you so do i think it stoked them up anymore . No, because theyre all going to turn out and vote, and so are the other people, the people who are in favorable of reasonable gun control. Theyre going to turn out and vote. Its going to be, i believe, a mammoth turnout. So when we think about, are we stoking them up, maybe a little bit on the margins, but theyre all coming. Its going to be some election. Governor dean, do you agree that . The beto orourke comment, the lewandowski hearing yesterday, which was sort of hyperpartisan spectacle and didnt seem to produce really all that many results or new information, certainly. And polling shows the majority of americans dont even favor impeaching the president and the democrats cant even decide what their investigation should be called. I mean well, lets first talk about the guns. Most people, like about 68 of people believe that assault weapons should be banned. Thats pretty stunning. But thats different than taking a forced buyback, which is essentially confiscating but banning is at least you get money with a buy pac. But the last ban, as you know, was just for new weapons, it wasnt taking weapons that were there are out there. Right, but, look, im just telling you what americans believe. They believe assault weapons ought to be banned and highcontent magazines ought to be banned. So i dont think that hurts beto at all. This is just i never read the president s tweets, but apparently he tweeted about that. You know, so what . Okay, john is right, and i want the democrats to listen to this. If we are talking about donald trump with three months to go, we lose, period. This campaign cannot be run on what a jerk donald trump is. It has to be run on what the democrats are going to do thats going to be better. So trump will say this, trump will say that, trump will remind everybody every day, why they dont like donald trump. We cannot play that game. We have to talk to ordinary americans about what were going to do to make this better. Anderson, sometimes, you know, social media is not accurate. You know, sometimes social media is, a lot of times, its by activists and people who have great passion. But, you know, everybodys not watching this. There are people like getting up and going to work and going home and having dinner and, honey, hows it going . You know, those are things thats where people live. They dont live like on twitter. I mean, i like twitter, you like, we all do actually, i dont, but dont take that as a sense where people are. Well, you know, howard, youre on twitter, youre good at it. That was me. Im on it, but ive given it up. I try not to even look at it. But David Axelrod wrote this thing essentially saying, look, let trump trump will destroy himself just by being himself. Dont focus on that. Governor dean, do you agree with that idea . I essentially do agree with that. Trump has already destroyed his presidency. And i think hell destroy himself. But we have to give him the rope to do it. If we fall into the trap that all of the republicans did in 2016 and let trump be the issue of the day, we lose. Because hes really good at that. Hes a narcissist. Hes really good at that. I dont agree. Governor kasich . Anderson, i dont agree with that that hell selfdestruct. I dont agree with that. But i think you have to have a refrain. I think you have to go back to it all the time. This is what you promised and what did you deliver . You delivered bubkes. Thats what its got to be. Back and forth. But hes not just going to just fall apart on the stage. I was on the stage with him a lot of debates, i never took the bait. Of course, i didnt win. But theres a lot of reasons for that, too. Governor dean, governor kasich, really good discussion, i appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Up next, what canadas Prime Minister, justin trudeau, is saying about a photo that just surfaced of himself looking like this. I saved hundreds when i switched my Car Insurance to geico. This is how it made me feel. It was like that feeling when you pull your green sock out of the dryer and then the very next sock is the other green one. And then you pull out two blue ones. And you keep going till youve matched every single sock in perfect order. And the owner of the laundromat is so impressed, he hangs a picture of you next to the dryer. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on Car Insurance. Fifwe cant give you, save you unlimited summer, but we can give you unlimited talk, text and data for just 30 a line for 4 lines. And that comes on our newest signal. No signal reaches farther or is more reliable. So you can. 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In 2017 they were made public by the New York Times. More now from our randi kaye. Reporter images of that rotating thing captured by u. S. Navy aircraft, sensors locking in on the target. Commander david frafr saw it firsthand during a training mission, describing it like a 40footlong tictac. As we both looked out the right side of our airplane, we sawdisturbance in the water. The object was first cited in 2004 and then similar again in 2015. Similar citings decla sightings public until 2017. Theres a whole fleet of them. My gosh theyre all going against the wind. The winds 120 miles to the west. This was extremely abrupt like a pingpong ball bouncing off the wall, the ability to hover over the water and start a vertical climb from basically zero up from 12,000 feet and accelerate in less than two seconds and disappear is something ive never seen in my life. 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We have two big voices making a lot of waves as they take on two of americas biggest and most intractable problems, racism and gun violence. Chelsea handler is here and so is broeto orourke. So what do you say . Lets get after it. President trump seems to have a new scapegoat for his own inaction on guns guess who . Hell, yes, were going