Torches and hate in their hearts and in the their words. Late that weekend one of them use their car to ram a counterprotester heather heyer. And more than a dozen other people. The idea there were fine people there on both sides, i want to show you what this rally was about. Jews will not replace us jews will not replace us jews will not replace us they carried torches, then chanted jews will not replace us. That was one slogan. Blood and soil is another, which was originally shouted in german by nazis. How many fine people arrived with combat boots and clubs and picked up torches and chanted nazi slogans . Thats the question. And antisemitic ones as well. How many fine people who you know would do that . How many fine people would look around at the nazis and the skin heads that they were marching with and say you know what, yeah, these are exactly the fine people i want to march with and carry this burning torch with . What do nazi slogans and antijewish chants have to do with the statue of robert e. Lee because thats where those nazis right there were heading. That night. Lets be clear. This is what the president is revisiting and relitigating today. Its the wound hes reopening and the history hes once again trying to rewrite. Keeping him honest it was bad enough by torchlight and no better they gaslight. He was gaslighting us again. Because that is what the president is doing. Asking us to believe something contrary to what you and i and everybody can see with our own ears excuse me, with our own eyes and hear with our own ears. This all came up today as President Trump was responding to joe bidens Campaign Kick off video in which biden talked about the president s fine people on both sides statement. Heres what he said today when he was asked if he still believed there were fine people on both sides in charlottesville. Ive answered that question. And if you look at what i said you will see that question was answered perfectly. And i was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to robert e. Lee, a great general. Whether you like it or not, he was one of the great generals. Ive spoken to many generals here right at the white house, and many people thought of the generals they think he was maybe their favorite general. People were there protesting the taking down of the monument of robert e. Lee. Everybody knows that. Okay, those White Supremacists and neonazis with the tiki torches, you just saw it, were marching to the robert e. Lee monument hes talking about. Heres what he said back then. And this was days after the march. He could have talked to some of the people in a moment who were actually there, but this is what days later the president was claiming which by the way undercut the teleprompter statement he had just made the day before in which he did actually say that racism is evil and mentioned the word kkk and neonazis and White Supremacists. You said there was hatred and there was violence. I do think theres blame yes, theres blame on both sides. You look at both sides, i think theres blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it and you dont have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately you would see that. Killed a person. Heather heyer got they showed up in charlottesville to and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. So that line as you might imagine set off a storm at the time and reportedly sparked joe bidens decision to run. Those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate than those with the courage to stand against it. Well, bidens video certainly got under the president s skin. And whether you see it as the former Vice President s moral outcry, political jujitsu or a little of both, mr. Trumps response to it does say a lot. Speaks to his unwillingness to admit any kind of a mistake. Keeping him honest, his habit of reimagining history including remarks he himself made, what others might regret, the president rewrites which he was doing even back then. Then, as now, he tried to suggest that he wasnt really talking about the marchers you saw a moment ago. No, no, no. He said he was talking about others. Lets call them history buffs. Apparently very quiet ones. There were people in that rally and i looked the night before if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down the statue of robert e. Lee. Im sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo nazis, white nationals whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest thats the night where the neonazis and hundreds of them and White Supremacists were marching with tiki torches. Keeping them honest, people have a rage of views on statues. Theres no argument on both sides of that and an argument weve had on this program, that said if there were in fact any quietly peaceful very fine people among the neonazis in charlottesville that weekend, who happened to find themselves there because they thought it was going to be about statues, they were too too quiet to hear. If there were fine people, just good people just concerned about statues, they would have seen the tiki torches coming and they would have heard the chants and the next day they would have seen the nazis with shields and clubs and helmets and fine people seeing all that would not have stuck around. But the truth is this was never planned to be a civil war statue appreciation weekend. It was, as the poster clearly states a unite the right rally. The names on that poster, by the way, are prominent White Nationalists. Im not even going to say their names. They arent even worth remembering. Ones a neonazi, ones a slavery advocate, and one not very fine people, nor the type that any genuinely fine people who might support keeping confederate statues up would want to mingle with or carry a tiki torch with, and if theres any doubt about the fine people who actually did show up heres what a prior to supremacist wrote days although the rally was initially planned in support of the lee monument in which have marched for destruction it has become something much bigger than that, it is now a historic rally which will serve as a battle cry for the rising altright movement. Those are the people who showed up. Those are the ads they put out. Those are some of the fine people the president claims were there. Joining us someone who knows all too well who was in charlottesville and what really happened. Mike cignor was the mayor of charlottesville during the rally. What went through your mind when you heard President Trump essentially doubling down on his very fine people on both sides comment . He doesnt know what the hell hes talking about. Its not just delusional, its very dangerous to choose to see this event through that lens that he is offering again. I mean, this was already a disaster the first time it happened, as you said. This was what led to steve bannon who was the architect of this populist strategy where they decided to include groups that had always been on the fringe of american politics in their coalition to create this political strategy. There were make America Great hats, the red baseball caps around at this unite the right rally like you said. What the president seems to be very stubbornly and dangerously trying to mislead the country about was this was not about history enthusiasts. We have a lot of that in virginia. We call them flaggers. Theres people who really care about the rebel flag, they care about confederate statues, that is a debate, but thats not what this was. There was a very small fraction of people at this at this weekend who were there about the robert e. Lee statue itself. There were many more who were there for the purpose of violently enforcing White Supremacy and white nationalism. There were 12 militia groups with the word militia in their title to try and intimidate people. And there was actually a terrorist act and youve got to tell me, mr. President , if this is really about the robert e. Lee statue why are people chanting jews will not replace us . Its ludicrous to think that a chant of jews will not replace us, has anything to do with robert e. Lee. There are arguments to be made, and there have been plenty of rallies and stuff. That is not what this was. They may have used it as a rallying point but they werent even using it as a rallying cry. They were using antisemitic slogans as a rallying cry. Right. And i think the thing to really concentrate on and why i appreciated the way that the Vice President framed this issue when he said that we really do face choices as a country, this really did illuminate the stakes is there really are stakes of this delusion that the president is offering. So lets be clear. They made a choice to create a populist Political Campaign to include White Nationalist groups in that coalition. Hadnt done that before. Now at the same time we have seen the Antidefamation League has put out a study 148 violent White Nationalist groups now exist in this country. 71 of the deaths that have occurred through domestic extremism have been at the hands of White Nationalist dprups. There was a front page New York Times article, New York Times magazine last october that came out, the title was u. S. Law enforcement failed to see the threats of white nationalism. Now they dont know how to stop it and there was lots of evidence in there that because they have been deciding to ignore White Nationalists and focus exclusively on foreign born terrorists they have actually taken off their foot on the gas of just this threat to everybody, and meanwhile we see the tree of life massacre happen, we see three africanamerican churches just burnt down in new orleans. We have seen in new zealand this threat is metastasizing around the world, youve seen in European Countries very similar, dangerous, fascist type rallies and on top of all this youve seen an authoritarian style of governance thats refusing to intervene and stop this very dangerous activity that the Vice President is saying is reminiscent of the 1930s. Rewriting history has consequences. Mayor, i appreciate your time. Policy, its not just words, its policy, thank you. Appreciate your time. Thank you. With us now someone else who was in that charlottesville weekend. Cornell west. Dr. West, thanks for being with us. You were there. You witnessed, i think you were in a church at one point while these nazis were marching. Is the president just rewriting history here . Well, no, i mean hes lying again but anything i say today is in the spirit of my former teacher and mentor who just died two days ago in the legacy of Martin Luther king, jr. The president is lying. We know President Trump is a sick vanilla brother with deep xenophobic sensibility not just against black people, against muslims, mexicans, against jews. And at times we wonder if hes got both paddles in the water because its just so far remove from reality. Youre absolutely right. Im standing there, theres groups coming, theyre looking us straight in the face, theyre cussing, demonizing, theyve got guns, gas masks, some got ammunition. Theyre not thinking about robert e. Lee. Theyre thinking about a hatred of black folk, hatred of muslims, jews, gays and so forth and so on. And then their question is brother biden because brother biden also has his own record he has to come to terms with. He gives a eulogy for Strom Thurmond in 2003, right. In 1994 hes calling precious young folks prejudice just like Hillary Clinton and we also know hes voting against bussing. He has an amendment that goes through that ed brook says is the most anticivil rights bill since 1964. Biden is a decent person, no doubt about that. But when you have a milquetoast neoliberal biden and a sick white brother trump whos got neofascist sensibilities we have to keep the larger framework in place. In this particular instance biden is absolutely right, but we also have to recognize if were really concerned about the rich humanity of black people, the rich humanity of poor and working people. Weve got to have a certain critical sensibility against both of these brothers because we need somebody whos going to build on the legacy of Martin Luther king, jr. , Martin Luther of harvard whos trying to keep track of whats beneath the discourse, not just the two talking but whats beneath the discourse. All the poverty, the grotesque wealth inequality. Legacy of racism and then try to muster the moral and spiritual courage to tell the truth. Obviously the concern is a politician uses this example in a video announcing that they are running for president , and thats it. Then they can, you know they wrap themselves in it and then they move on without looking at hes being asked about his treatment of anina hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings. Theres a long record that he does not seem to i dont know if hes reflected on it or not but hes not really directed it or not. I think its a challenge of each and every one of them integrity, courage, moral consistency, what the great jane austen called constancy. Thats what we dont find among much or many of our politicians. Who is willing to be a stateswoman, a states man, a states person and try to actually get at the real structural institutional issues of racism of the ways in which predatory capitalism generates this grotesque wealth inequality and in the ideologies that unfortunately lead us to lose sight of the humanity in the body be they palestinians, mexican, black, white, yellow. Thats what we have to be focused on as well. It seems to me. And there is also this kind of moral equivalency that the president is arguing, oh, theres good people on both sides. It all sort of you know, its all kind of just balances out in the wash, according to him. No, i think i would agree with brother trump in this sense, that its human beings on both sides. Because nazis are human beings that girbles and himler, they were smart strategists, and they were brilliant strategists for gangster and thuggish causes. They were nazis. Nazis are human beings. They can be smart. Robert e. Lee, he was a very smart and strategic general for a thuggish and a gangsterish cause, trying to keep black people in slavery in perpetuity. Thats the constitution of the confederacy he pledged allegiance to. So thats what he needs to focus on and thats what he needs to really zero in on. It was a violent insurrection to overthrow the u. S. Government in the name of keeping black people in slavery forever, forever. Thats what the confederacy was about. But as human beings, and this is whats so very important because human beings have the capacity to be wretched. We have the capacity to be wonderful. And its a choice. It is a choice that all of us have to wrestle with on the battlefield of our own souls each and every day in the lifetime that we have in space and time. Dr. Cornell west, always appreciate you being with us. Thank you. Coming up next for us breaking news, new reporting that sheds fresh light on Rod Rosenstein and the political tightrope he walked as he scrambled to protect Robert Mueller and as well his job. The promise to the president , i can land the plane. Find out more about what exactly he meant and later the case of the missing press secretary, what our White House Correspondent has to say about that. Sam donaldson joins us. Red lobsters new weekday five days. S here five deals. For fifteen dollars get a different deal every weekday til six pm like endless shrimp monday admirals feast tuesday four course feast wednesday and more. Five days. Five deals. Fifteen dollars. See you before six. Ten detailed acts of obstruction of justice. 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According to the Washington Post, which cites Administration Official with knowledge of the call rosenstein told the president i give the investigation credibility and i can land the plane. Its a pretty remarkable account its worth reading and sharing the by line is josh dossey, a cnn political analyst. This is fascinating article that one phrase rosenstein telling the president it almost sound like a parody the Justice Department would say to calm down an angry president. Can you explain the context of it . Certainly, over the past two years weve seen the president repeatedly get frustrated by the mueller investigation, how it was going. On a number of occasions Rod Rosenstein the Deputy Attorney general over seeing the probe reassured the president he was not a target of the investigation, he understood the president thought he was being treated unfairly and he agreed at times that he was on the team and he would make sure the investigation came to an end as expeditiously as possible. Every time he became frustrated our reporting shows Rod Rosenstein was there to assuage and calm him down. You also write at one point in this whole saga rosenstein actually got teary. Did President Trump ever find out about that . Because i remember reading Bob Woodwards book that the president told Rudy Giuliani needed his diaper changed. I can only imagine what hed say about rosenstein getting teary. That was on the evening it was reported in the New York Times that rosenstein offered to wear a wire and meet with the president. He was summoned to the white house by chief of staff john kelly at the time to talk about the article, and he grew very emotional and for about ten minutes he begged for his job and said im happy to go, im happy to resign but i dont want to be fired via tweet, i dont want my reputation tarnished, plead please let me leave with dignity. But at the end of the day the president didnt fire him. When you read the Mueller ReportPresident Trump tried to get rosenstein to hold a press conference and claimed that he, Rod Rosenstein, was the one responsible, who came up with the idea of firing comey and pushed for it. And the White House Press office also tried to get the department of justice to issue a statement to that effect. And rosenstein said, look, the press conference isnt a good idea because if they ask me im going to tell the truth. Whats your response then to the article for rosenstein . We had a bunch of conversations with the Justice Department before this story printed. My colleague covers the department well. Rosenstein in some ways, anderson, is one of the most mystifying figure in all of this. He was at the beginning witnesses to some of those episodes. He was obviously so concerned about the president s behavior he was willing to say he was going to wear a wire. He pushed back in that episode you talked about and said that would be a false story even when the white house tried to pin it on him. Over the course of the probe rosenstein became more of a key ally of the president in a lot of ways. He became someone who liked to brief the president , someone the president saw as on the team over the course of two years. And where this has fixated a lot of observers and his friends is why did he behave the way he did . What was the thinking, what was the modus operandi for how he behaved. Thanks so much, appreciate it, great reporting. Thank you. With that, lets look closer at the implications. Joining us for that renato, marriotti, and elliott ill williams. Would it make sense for rosenstein to be telling the president he would land the plane in term of the mueller case . The whole point for the president to be walled off from it. Why was he assuaging the president s fears . I have to say its kind of screwed up, anderson, to be frank with you. The Deputy Attorney general is supposed to be representing the United States of america and the American People not the president of the United States. As you point out the president s supposed to be walled off. And he shouldnt be as to josh dossys article wrote, be trying to convince the president that he was on his team, that hes supposed to be on our team, on the American Peoples team, not on the president s team. Elliot, the idea he was telling him on more than one occasion he agreed the president was being treated unfairly, josh said it wasnt clear if rosenstein was referring to the media or what. It does seem like rosenstein was trying to calm the president down. Was it appropriate in your opinion . No, not really. It seems theres a little element of flattery there. We now know, we have enough data to find out what it takes to survive in this administration. And you have to be willing to flatter the president even to the expense of the rule of law. Even at the expense of your respect for the rule of law. So if you look at Jeff Sessions or john kelly or even secretary nielsen, theyre all folks who pushed back on the president on these rule of law questions and don mcgahn, theyre all gone and they dont survive. And it seems the folks willing to flatter stay around. If youre going to challenge the president , you seem you have better job security working the crypts in game of thrones because zombies are coming for you because if youre going to stand up to the president. Im not sure the crypts are a safe place to be. By the way. Thats my point. Renato, it is tough to square this picture of a teary eyed Rod Rosenstein begging for his job and trying to assuage the president s fears with rosenstein suggesting he wear a wire and the president invoking the 25th amendment . Yeah, its very odd. Rosenstein is a tough person to pin down. I will say, anderson, at some point you got the sense that Rod Rosenstein understood his place in history, that he was witnessing events that were very disturbing and he needed to be concerned about doing the right thing for the American People. And that makes it all the more disturbing and bizarre that at other times he seemed to have forgotten that. He stood stone faced for example when bill barr made false statements from response to questions from our own Laura Jarrett and others. So very bizarre behavior by Rod Rosenstein. Elliot, i dont know why im so obsessed with it but the president tried to get Rod Rosenstein to just lie in a press conference that he was the one pushing for comey to be fired and the White House Press office was trying to get the same thing. As we learned the president tried to do a lot of things that were not appropriate even if they couldnt be charged with a crime. Its just a pattern of inappropriate behavior, even if its not explicitly criminal. He tried to get rosenstein to do a bunch of inappropriate things, things that made them uncomfortable. To a point of using an expletive which is don mcgahns assessment of it. Heres the thing, all these lawyers and senior folks in the administration need to ask themselves is this the name i want associated with myself and my career for the next 30 or 40 years . Its almost like folks who were in the white house in 1974 who are forever tied to Richard Nixon and that pattern of misconduct and bad behavior, and to some extent were seeing that now. You carry that reputation. Is this what youre hanging your hat on . Renato, the other thing after all of this to consider is the president still seems furious with rosenstein. He calls the whole investigation illegal. He says mueller should have never been appointed. He went to all these lengths i guess to assuage the president s fears and keep his job. Unclear the victory for him is that he didnt get himself fired. I have to say i think that Rod Rosenstein whatever hes gained from this, maybe hell get a judgeship or some favor out of this. I dont know what his angle was. I think in the end as elliot was mentioning, i think hell pay the price in history when these actions are examined. Its really sad that trump after all this doesnt even realize Rod Rosenstein paid him a big behavior by at times exciting with actions that i disagree with, elliot on this point. I think they were criminal and unlawful and i think hell be judged for that. Even if you cant charge them. I wasnt expressing a view as to whether rosenstein can have lunch with don mcgahn, they can all talk about how theyre hated by the guy they saved. Renato, elliott williams, thank you. Joe biden addressed the subject today thats come back to haunlt his newly launched president ial campaign, his handling of the 1991 Clarence Thomas hearings with anita hill. Hes still declining to directly apologize to her after speaking privately with her recently. Get reaction from someone who lobbied the senate on hills behalf years ago next. So people love iphone xr, right . Well, it does have an incredible camera. And it comes in all those amazing colors. Uh huh. 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If you go back and look at what i said and didnt say, i dont think i treated her badly. So the question is does one of hills staunchest advocates at the time agree . So congresswoman, are you satisfied with Vice President biden, what he said . Does he have something to apologize to her about what he himself did and how he treated her . I think one need only listen to what anita hill herself has said following what joe biden or how joe biden has handled this. What is so wrong with saying im sorry . I cant figure out why he wants to dig in. Does he not recognize hes in the me too era . Doesnt he know that hes in the postkavanaugh era, that these issues have new life . I cant figure out why he thinks saying im sorry will make it look like theres something that is so wrong that he should have done at the time . No. I think people might be prepared to forgive him for what he did at the time. Remember it is decades ago, if he said Something Like i didnt know what i should have known, for example. How this would resonate. And the reason i would say he should have known is hes a public official. Hes supposed to know what others do not know. I think joe biden is hurting himself by not bringing himself uptodate. And when anita hill has essentially said that, for him to continue to keep the words im sorry out of the picture is to make sure that this issue is going to continue to haunt him for the rest of the campaign. You know, the day hes announcing this is a story, he could have stopped it from being a story very likely or at least lessened it in a sense. I think what you said is really interesting. I dont understand why so many people political life especially do not just apologize. I apologize all the time for stupid things ive done or said. I dont think its a sign of weakness. Certainly President Trump believes its a sign of weakness. But i think if youve said something or reflected on something and learned something theres no harm in apologizing for it. I think people respect that, no . Yeah, were taught since kindergarten say im sorry. Then we can move on. It keeps it alive by not taking personal responsibility. And thats what it looks like. And when anita hill is essentially inclined to say, essentially she didnt accept his apology because shes had no apology. In terms of where things go from here, obviously its very early in the campaign, theres a lot of candidates. Im not sure if youve endorsed anyone at this point, most people have not. Theres a long way to go obviously. If joe biden becomes the long nominee for president , could you see yourself supporting the Biden Campaign . Look, hes got to say im sorry, or if you look at what happened in the house and we were able to capture the house because of how people were beginning to feel about women. Theres no question that he is hurting himself in the primary. Now, we dont see that yet. Waiting for the polls to come out. His front standing may largely be based on how wellknown he is and his association with president obama. That is going to fade as people are all out here talking and, you know, longer is the frontrunner because he isnt in yet. So he is blowing his top running status as i speak because of two words he cant say, sorry i should have known better, i know better now, lets move on. Congresswoman, i appreciate it. Thank you very much. My pleasure. When we return the white house keeps shattering its own record for days without formal briefing. Some children were allowed to ask questions yesterday. The most Transparent Administration in history they continue to say about themselves. Well take a look at that dubious claim with Sam Donaldson next. Like a drifter i was born to walk alone keep goin man you got it if you ride, you get it. Here i go again geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15 or more. 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Its nice. You got this woo day 46, still no White House Press briefing. There was a reenactment yesterday. Its the longest period ever a white house has gone without a Daily Press Briefing as theyre called. Clearly not so daily anymore. White House Press Secretary sanders made a viewing on take our sons and daughters to workday. No one knows when shell take questions from their parents again. That comes as President Trump said this again today. There has never been a president thats been more transparent than me or the trump administration. Hes not being ironic. Unclear if he believes it, its not true but hes not being ironic. Want to bring in Sam Donaldson. You heard the president once again today saying hes the most transparent president. I mean, just on the face of it that just doesnt make any sense unless you are interpreting it as he is transparently lying, he is transparently he reveals himself unintentionally. So in that sense hes transparent. But in terms of intentionally, you know, being transparent, thats just simply not the case. Thats right. If youve never heard of donald trump before, he ran for the presidency and then won the presidency and then you had to take a look at him because the president of the United States and then watched him for the last two years and heard him for the last two years and read his tweets for the last two years, et cetera, et cetera. Hes transparent. You know exactly what he will do, what he will say, how he will lie. Its very difficult for me to understand people who dont see that. Either theyre not paying attention or they see it but it doesnt matter. Usually with nixon one had to wait until you heard, you know, all the tapes that have now come out to really get a sense of exactly what was going on inside nixons mind. With President Trump hes transparent in the sense that hes tweeting and giving away a realtime look at the inner workings of his thoughts and mind and desires to grab attention. But in terms of actual openness, in terms of actually being honest and that which is true transparency, that doesnt seem to exist. It doesnt exist because i think he doesnt want it to exist. Look, ive had the pleasure of working with almost every press secretary beginning with john f. Kennedys administration. And except for ron ziegler who lied for Richard Nixon ive never seen anything like this with Sarah Sanders. And theres a difference. Ziegler lied about one thing, the question of whether the president of the United States was covering up the watergate burglary and all the questions having to do with that. But if you asked him a question about foreign policy, domestic policy, he would try to say what he thought the facts were and would often be truthful. On the other hand, Sarah Sanders simply lies about everything taking a cue from her boss. Not just one thing. I think shes an oscar, a Lifetime Achievement oscar for lying. And lets face it, i dont know her. I feel a little sorry for her because its the boss who does it. She takes the cue from him. Leadership begins at the top. So its all the bad things that happen in the administration. You also, one has the sense also that the president can lie to his attorneys. The president can lie to Sarah Sanders. And so she may not even be on firm ground at times. You know, shell often say well i havent talked to the president about that as a way of just not answering a question. But whats so fascinating is, okay, so shes caught in this lie about the fbi agents and all the countless ones that she talked to. She goes under oath. She tells the truth. Then shes trying to walk it back. On abc and in other interviews. But also the press office in the white house tried to get Rod Rosenstein to lie and accept responsibility for being the person who wanted to fire comey and the one who motivated it. Well, if youre the top liar you want people to support your lies and not argue against them and when it comes to making up things, ron ziegler made up things in support of his president. Larry speaks who served Ronald Reagan for a while made up quotes on occasion. In new york they had big ships on the 4th of july and speaks would say to us the president said this is a manifestation of the american spirit and shows the fundamental values of our country. Ronald reagan never said that, larry speaks attributed to the president and when he left the white house he lost his job when he admitted that he made up quotes. But making up hundreds or many fbi agents called here complaining about comey, saying they were so happy he was gone. Thats a different kind of lie. Thats a different kind of quote. Speaks was innocuous but should never have done it. Her lies are more than innocuous. They fester and they serve the publics not interest, but disinterest in learning the truth. Lastly, you hear the rumblings about the age of biden should factor into the race. When you covered reagan he was at that time the oldest person to take office. Should age matter. Well, im 85, of course it shouldnt matter. By the way, biden makes it 21, im thinking about making it 2022. But maybe im a little too old. Im being funny. I dont think age matters from the standpoint of looking at a person, what can they do . Hows their mind . Hows their understanding of the world . The problem with age is today it can look okay. But in two years, four years, five years, not so much so. So im not going to weigh in on this in the sense that im not saying biden should be disqualified because hes older than Ronald Reagan, for instance, or that bernie should be disqualified. But i will say that it is going to be a factor but i dont think its going to be the great to talk to you. And to you anderson. Up next, what the special counsel said about russians hacking at least one florida county ahead of the 2016 election what the fbi plans to do about it, next. And we welcome back gary, whos already won three cars, two motorcycles, a boat, and an r. V. I would not want to pay that insurance bill. [ ding ] oh, i have progressive, so i just bundled everything with my home insurance. Saved me a ton of money. Love you, gary you dont have to buzz in. Its not a question, gary. On march 1, 1810 [ ding ] frederic chopin. Collapsing in 226 [ ding ] the colossus of rhodes. [ sighs ] Louise Dustmann [ ding ] brahms lullaby, or wiegenlied. When will it end . [ ding ] not today, ron. When will it end . [ ding ] how about letting your hair down a little . How about a car for people who dont play golf . Hey mercedes mix it up a little. 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They wanted this meeting yesterday. Essentially what the Mueller Report is saying is that we know that the russians are suspected of targeting all 50 states in the 2016 election but the fbi by the Mueller Report is saying that one county was successfully hacked he wrote the fbi believes this enabled them to gain access to the network of at least one florida county government. We dont know which county. That will be among the many questions theyll be asking the fbi. Once they get the meeting which will be in the coming weeks. But county officials were never alerted. Is that right . No, they werent. The fbi isnt responding to comment. Whats interesting here is former florida senator bill nelson raised this during midterms. He lost his race. He said that the russians were inside the voting infrastructure and that causes frenzy along with many other reporters they said they didnt know what he was talking about. This was never confirmed. Florida Election Officials said they didnt know what he was talking about. They demanded answers not just from nelson but the fbi and even at that time the fbi didnt say there was any evidence, at least in 2018 that the florida election infrastructure had been compromised. What are florida Election Officials saying now . Theyre maintaining that line but they dont have any evidence of hacking. We did get a statement from the Florida Department of state, a spokeswoman said upon learning of the new information released in the Mueller Report, the department immediately reached out to the fbi to inquire which county may have been accessed and they declined to share that information with us. The did the did tepartment mains the elections were not hacked. The Florida Governor has been more blunt. They wont tell us which county it was, are you kidding me . More to learn, thank you very much. Thank you. 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