About his decision to do what House Speaker nancy pelosi wanted him to do, which was postpone the state of the union message. We begin, though, as we did last night, and as well keep on doing by bringing you the state of the union as seen by our fellow americans. Well bring you that and the let them eat wall message theyre getting from the president and members of his administration. Message one from the commerce secretary, youre nobody. Put it in perspective. Youre talking about 800,000 workers. And while i feel sorry for the individuals have hardship cases, 800,000 workers, if they never got their pay, which is not the case, they will eventually get it. But if they never got it, youre talking about a third of a percent on our gdp. So its not like its a gigantic number overall. Not like its a gigantic number overall. This message came to you from commerce secretary wilbur ross, whod made a custom pair of velvet slippers with the seal of the Commerce Department on them. Im not kidding. That actually happened. I dont think even mr. Burns on the simpsons wears slippers like that. Thats a comment from wilbur ross. To him 800,000 unpaid Public Servants are essentially a rounding error. Perhaps they should tell that to ollie morganfield. Chris james got to know him recently and spoke with him the day he went to apply for food stamps. I work at Hartsfield Jackson airport. Ive been there for 16 years with tsa. I like the job, and i like what im doing, but im worried about being paid. Im worried about if i can get through this. So how are you feeling that this is the first time youre going to get food stamps, yet you technically still have a job . Yes, that is that is the funny part. Oh, im just hoping i can get some stamps. You know, you got to laugh about it because its funny. You never see yourself doing this. Reporter whats your biggest fear right now . My apartment. Will i be here . And will i be embarrassed when they evict me . If this thing goes any longer, then the 17th, the three weeks, if it goes into the fourth week, i dont have no money. Will he be embarrassed he wonders when they evict me. This is a man who is still going to work every day. Would you . Could you . With the bills coming in . Its all a bit puzzling to secretary ross, who wonders why people earning zero dollars are having such a tough time of it. Mr. Secretary, there are reports that there are some federal workers who are going to homeless shelter. Ers to get food. Well, i know they are and i dont really quite understand why, because as i mentioned before, the obligations that they would undertake, say a borrowing from a bank or a credit union are in effect federally guaranteed. So the 30 days of pay that some people will be out, there is no real reason why they shouldnt be able to get a loan against it. Thats the commerce secretary. Just to make it clear, youre working. Im not paying you, and there is no telling when i will, so you should go to a bank or a credit union and persuade them to lend you money, and then you should pay interest on that money, unless of course youre a contractor and youre not going to get paid back for lost time. Oh, and by the way, secretary rosss department, they have a credit union that is offering loans up to 5,000 at the undiscounted rate of nearly 9 . He later clarified how much he cares by telling bloomberg news, and i quote, were aware, painfully aware there are hardships inflicted on the individual workers. According to the tsa, salaries for screeners can range from 25 to 37,000. Wilbur ross has enough to live on for about 20,000 years. What if government workers cant get a lone or are already living on the edge, as some already do . Well, President Trump had an answer for that today. Did you see wilbur ross and he doesnt understand. I havent heard the statement. Perhaps you should have said it differently. Local people know who they are when they go for groceries and Everything Else. And i think what wilbur is probably trying to say is they will work along. I know banks are working along. If you have mortgages, the mortgagees, the folks collecting the interest and all of those things, they work along. And thats what happens in time like this. They know the people. Theyve been dealing with them for years, and they work along, the grocery store. And i think thats probably what wilbur ross meant. Wilbur ross was watching the Andy Griffith show and barney fife didnt have work and he went to the grocery store, and Everybody Knows barney fife and of course they gave him a mortgage, they gave him a loan, free groceries. Thats what happens. Its kind of like a friendly landlord the president has talked about on other occasion, already ready to give you more time to pay. Just like he did when he was a landlord. Perhaps you should tell that to ollie mortgage againfield who is still going to work, who is not getting paid how it might field when he gets evicted. More now on all of this and what the president is doing about it, or not doing about it. Kaitlan collins who joins us from the white house. You have new reporting on the likelihood of the president declaring a National Emergency. What is the latest . Yeah, anderson, cnn has exclusively obtained this document that the white house has declared a draft for the president to declare a National Emergency to build his border wall if contreras congress doesnt give him the funding. White house Officials Say this is still an option for them, but right now its not their top option. But clearly, anderson, the fact that this draft exists and has been edited as recently in recent days shows that white house officials still think its a real possibility that the president could bypass congress and use this National Emergency to build his border wall. And the president alluded to that today when reporters were in the room with him when he was asked about wilbur ross comments. He also said if this doesnt work out with democrats that he will pursue other options to build his border wall. It is amazing to me the president never hears negativity comment negative comments that his own people are making that are widely covered, but he hears just about Everything Else that is going on in the universe on television. Do the president and his advisers seem concerned that six republicans supported the democrats plan today in the senate . And do theically the is no prorated down payment proposal is actually viable . Right now in their eyes its at least a plan which is progress from where they have been in recent days. Now theyve come up with this idea to have the government open for three weeks and then have a prorated down payment for the president s border wall, which if youre doing the math from that 5. 7 billion they asked for, it would come out to 330 million they would ask for three weeks of opening the government. Democrats have said thats a nonstarter, and the white house seems to think they can get them to come over to their side. But thats an open question. The other question, anderson, the white house hasnt said how much of a down payment it is. That math, that 3 po million is math that weve done. The white house hasnt actually laid out any kind of a specific number, even though weve asked a slew of officials here at the white house, they still have not shed any more light on that. So were still looking for some clarity on that. But in their eyes, at least there is some progress and some talks happening compared to no progress a few days ago. Has ive talked to now several two politicians today. None of whom could really explain to me what a prorated down payment actually means coming from this president. Does anyone in the white house exactly know specifically what that means . The only things that theyve really laid it out were the two statements, two from sarah sanders, one that said they wanted a down payment in exchange for opening the government for three weeks, and then she said later they wanted a large down payment. Then we heard from the president. It was really interesting, anderson. If you listen to the president , because he didnt say this is my suggestion. He said people are suggesting this is an idea. He didnt say that its something hes behind. And of course the white house has been the wild card in this entire monthlong shutdown because republican lawmakers even say they dont know exactly what it is that the president would sign. So thats what theyre looking for more clarity on that. But right now the white house seems to think a down payment on the down payment for the wall is their best bet. Thats one of his goto lines that people are talking about it. Oh, people are suggesting a prorated down payment. Its all you hear about when youre on the subway these days. People are talking about this. Anyway, kaitlan collins, thank you very much. Shortly before air time i spoke with maine independent senator angus king who caucuses with democrats and voted today for the shutdown bill. Senator king, since you voted earlier today, the president has said he is open to a, quote, prorated down payment on a border wall. He says hell reopen the government in three weeks if democrats agree to that. Are you entirely clear on what that actually means . Would you support it . Well, i am unclear on what it actually means. But the concept is that hes still trying to bargain about opening the government. And part of the whole purpose of what we were talking about today is lets get the government open, take a deep breath, consider his proposal in a reasonable, rational way and come to some conclusion that i think were going to be able to work something out that he can support. But hes putting on this extra condition, with i is basically saying he is doling out, you know, time, and were talking about peoples lives here, anderson. Thats whats been missing somewhat. These are real peoples lives. Weve got coast guard people in maine who are going to food banks. I mean, more senators voted today in favor of the democrats plans than the president s plan. Neither plan got the 60 votes needed to end debate. But do you believe unity among Senate Republicans is in any way starting to fracture . Majority leader mcconnell is under more pressure . Well, yeah. I wouldnt put it that way. I would say everybody in the senate wants this thing solved. One of the indications of that is after the two amendments failed, ben cardin of maryland put in an amendment that is just a simple threeweek continuing resolution, and we all stood up and talked about a commitment. There were 15 of us that spoke on the floor, i was one of them that said look, im for Border Security, and im willing to work in good faith on a solution. As i left the floor, i asked ben cardin, and he had i think he had five republican cosponsors at that time, and i think there are more to come. Everybody wants to get to a solution here, and i just wish the president would put a little faith in the process. And, you know, he came in with a budget last january, anderson, for 1. 6 billion for Border Security, and he got it. It went through the appropriations committee. It was approved. It was in the bill that went through the senate the Senate Appropriations committee and the House Appropriations committee, and so i guess what im saying is thats evidence that we can act in good faith and we can do something serious about Border Security. Will it be 5. 7 or 2. 8 or 6, im not going to negotiate here on television, but i think there is room to reach a reasonable accommodation. But it was clear he backed off that after getting criticism essentially from rightwing radio and television that it wasnt following through on his promise to build a wall. Why would he give up leverage or alleged leverage of the actual shutdown if he doesnt feel hes going to get some sort of wall . Remember, were not talking about full funding of the government until september, which is what we ought to be doing, but were talking about three weeks. Were basically saying lay the hammer aside and let us work on it for three weeks in good faith and lets see what we can come up with. In the meantime, lets let these good people get paid, go back to work, do what they ought to do. And if it doesnt work out, you know, hes still got that got the leverage. That tool, which i think is inappropriate, by the way. Its a terrible way to govern. But hes not really giving up that much. Hes just giving congress a chance to try to digest what hes asking for. Cnns reporting that the white house is preparing a draft National Emergency declaration for the president to sign in order to use military funding to build the wall. Would that at this point be the easiest way to actually end the shutdown . It would almost surely end up in court, but wouldnt it get the government reopen right away . It probably would. Its good news and bad news. The good news is it would almost certainly end the shutdown. Its bad news in that this isnt the way our system is designed. The constitution says money spent is appropriated by congress. And thats one of our fundamental functions. And to establish a precedent that the president can basically decree a National Emergency and then do whatever he or she wants in the terms of policy that they cant get through the congress is a terrible precedent, and to me its a gross violation of constitutional principles. So they may be looking in that direction. And as i say, in the shortterm, youd say oh, good, the shutdown is over, and thats a good thing for sure. But if thats the solution, boy is it a dangerous way. This is exactly what the framers were worried about. They didnt want a monarch. They wanted a constitutional democracy and they wanted a president and checks and balances, and they purposefully put the power of the purse in the congress. And thats the way it ought to be. Senator king, i appreciate your time. Thank you. Yes, sir. Lets get more perspective now. Joining us is former utah republican congresswoman mia love. She is now a cnn political commentator. Were very happy about that. Also cnn political commentator gloria borger, who were always happy about. What does it say that six republicans crossed over and supported the democrats plan in the senate today which include the wall, and it actually got more votes that the president s plan . Anderson, lets lay our cards out on the table. This is what this is about. I believe this is about the 2020 president ial election. Youve got a president that wants to keep the promises that he made on the campaign trail. Youve got a speaker of the house that doesnt want anybody to win, and the people that are caught in the crosshairs are 800,000 people that did not choose to get into this fight. Theyre going to work. They didnt get fired. They didnt choose to leave. Theyre going to work, and theyre not getting paid. And both sides are allowing perfect to be the enemy of a really good win. This is exactly whats going on right now. So i dont see any resolution until people are able to put their pride aside and do what theyre supposed to do. Members of congress have to do their job. Theyre the ones walking away from their job. Gloria, does a prorated down payment on the wall sound like something thats going to come within 100 miles of a deal in washington . No, no, no. I dont even know what it is, anderson. Can you figure it out . Nobody ive talked to has figured it out. And senator after senator cant figure out what it is. It sounds like some kind of real estate deal, but it certainly isnt any way to reopen a government. And, you know, i understand what the congresswoman is saying about both sides playing politics, but i have to remind everyone that the senate voted on legislation that would have reopened the government. The president was ready to do it. He had told everyone, he told the world ill take responsibility for this after he decided to back off because conservative talk radio told him he was doing the wrong thing. So i think that you cant equate one with another at this point. I understand that nancy pelosi also has political interests here. The base of each party is very firm on what they want to do, but honestly, this thing all started when the president backed off a deal that was already cut and voted on in the United States senate. Congresswoman love, isnt that the case . There was a deal, and then the president , you know, heard the radio. Right. Because he wanted to make sure he keeps the promises that he made on the campaign trail. It wasnt working too well for him. Now i dont believe he should be listening to people like ann coulter that say hey, dont take any immigration deal because youre never going to be able to please people like ann coulter. There is a purity test that shes got her own. But i think that what could actually happen here is Speaker Pelosi can say fine, im going to give you your 5. 7. Were going to discuss where its appropriate to put a barrier versus smart walls and versus technology, but i want you to give me everything i need on immigration reform. Everyone would get what they want, and people would not be caught in the crosshairs. They wouldnt get everything. I mean, they would get some things they dont want, but people would be able to get what they want and people can go back to work. This is grandstanding, and i believe it is on both sides. Gloria, is that where a deal lies . I think first of all nancy pelosi is not going to accept a penny for a wall because democrats think its ridiculous, that you dont need a wall, that you need some smart technology. And theyve already volunteered for Border Security to say, you know, were all for Border Security, and well give you the 5. 7 billion, but for other things. If they could find a way to get to that deal, then maybe then maybe there would be one there are preexisting walls so to speak or slats or whatever you want to call them. And i think that the problem is that this notion of a wall has become so front and center for the president because it was during the campaign and mexicos not paying for it. Now the american taxpayer is going to pay for it, that he cant figure out a way off of it. And maybe what they need to do, and the if they cut a dole on dreamers, by the way, the conservatives in his party would be quite upset about it because they dont want to give dreamers permanent status in any way, shape, or form. So its very difficult to see how he gets beyond his base and how nancy pelosi gets beyond her base. And right now the pain is really great, and the administration doesnt seem to be able to give voice to the pain of those furloughed workers, which is a problem. Congresswoman, if donald trump was able to get if the president was able to get there is obviously existing fencing, however you want to call it and get a few more miles of fencing that is seethrough that is made out of steel, would that be enough for him to say well, i got some of the wall. Hes already claiming hes building new wall, which hes not. Hes just fixing up old wall. Couldnt he just lie about, you know, as he often does and say well, ive got ten more miles of new wall, and weve got all this other stuff and Border Security . I think they both have put their heads in the sand and have said no wall, and then the other side said i need 5. 7 billion for a wall. And i dont know if he is going to back off of that 5. 7 billion, or be able to back off of it too much. I think that a lot of his supporters, i mean his Approval Rating is really low. I dont know how much lower it can actually get in what he stands to lose are the people who actually support him. So i think that thats going to be an issue for him. And i dont see him look, im just being completely frank and open here. If he backs away from that, thats going to be major problem. Yeah, no doubt about it. I think also, thats where the standstill is. Thats where it is. Congresswoman love, great to have you. Gloria borger as well. Coming up next, President Trumps big shutdown with nancy pelosi over the state of the union. It ends unexpectedly in surrender. Well talk with a pair of trump biographers about whats behind the art of the cave. And the congressional testimony that Michael Cohen is not backing out of and what he might say when the questioning begins. Im ray and i quit smoking with chantix. Smoking. It dictates your day. I didnt like something having control over me. I wanted to stop. The thing is i didnt know how. Chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. Chantix reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could quit. 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I could have gone to a big auditorium and gotten 25,000 people there in one day, and youve been there many times, but i think that would be very disrespect to feel the state of the union. What she said i thought was actually reasonable. Well have state of the union when the shutdown is over. Two views now on how this tracks with the donald trump theyve come to know. Joining us is trump biographer michael dantonio. His most recent book is the shadow president , the truth about pence. And teaches at columbias grad wall school of journalism. She is the author of the trumps, three generations of builders and a president. Does this move by the president surprise you . Because it does seem sort of untrumpian, but he is spinning it the way he is spinning it. It really did catch me by surprise. I think much of washington must have been surprised because it is not like the president to issue such an obvious retreat, a call of retreat. And it was worded in a way that really suggested that someone else must have written it, because it was very loyal to the truth. He laid out the facts of what had happened, and they actually aligned with what we all experienced, rather than some fantasy in his head. So it is surprising. Im surprised too that he didnt declare a victory in some way. And i think it reflects the fact that he may respect Speaker Pelosi more than anyone else on earth right now, maybe with the exception of vladimir putin. How do you see this . The president s tweet last night seems sort of unlike him. Yes, no. He managed to find a way to frame it so he said it wouldnt be respectful. So he could hang it on respect, that he was being respectful. So he kind of figured a way to say it that that hes not backing down, tail is not between those legs. He is being respectful, and hes got a shes the one person, she is the adult in the room now. Shes that adult weve been looking for all along. There she is. What do you think it is about nancy pelosi that i dont know if he respects or that he is challenged by or whatever it is . She says nono. And she doesnt let him get the conversation on to his turf, which is what he always does. He creates chaos. Gets it into his turf. Everybody else is defensive in trying to catch up. He is comfortable in chaos and conflict. Most people arent. She wont go there. She is staying on her own turf, and she is not playing his game. She is not playing that sort of macho game that he plays with most of the men that he has to deal with. Shes not doing it. He challenges her masculinity. What is he going to challenge with her . Michael, do you agree with that . I do agree with what gwenda is saying, and i sometimes can imagine nancy pelosi in a house full of kids, and thats chaos if there ever is chaos. So shes someone who can keep her head about her and knows how to impose order on a chaotic situation. I also think that there is this element of respect of what gwenda mentioned not only for the state of the union, but for the speaker herself. She is competent in a way that trump isnt. She has actually led a very broad organization with disparate interests in ways the president never had to when he tried with Trump Airline or the plaza hotel or the casinos, he failed. So she knows how to herd cats. He doesnt. I think she knows how to stay calm. He doesnt. So she really does have his number. Gwenda, its also she has a lot of experience in washington and knows how the place works, which he really doesnt, and its not clear that there is a lot of great people around him who, you know, play the game as well as nancy pelosi does. No. There were all these other all these other socalled adults, a lot of military that he appointed that were going to, you know, rein him in and show him the rules and keep him on the rails. They all fell like tin pins. She hasnt. I think michael made a really good point. Shes got all those kids and all those grandchildren. She haesd to herd cats in the capitol for decades. She knows how to do it. And i think he respects that. I think he is also i think there is also ive been thinking about this. Maybe an echo of his dad. His dad was very competent too. And his dad really did it. His dad didnt have his own dad bailing him out. Konld h donald had fred bailing him out. But nancy, i think maybe there is an echo of that. Thats interesting. Gwenda blair, i appreciate you being with us. We just got notice of a shutdown on a prorated payment of a border wall. Chuck schumer said, and im quoting now, senator schumer and Senate Democrats have made clear to senator mcconnell and republicans that they will not support funding for the wall, prorated or otherwise. Up next, the president s former fixer canceled an appearance before congress before he reports to prison because he says of threats by the president. Now Michael Cohen has been subpoenaed by one committee with the possibility of more on the way. Ill talk to congressman Eric Swalwell about the testimony, next. baby crying hold on, im comin hold on, im comin hold on dont you worry, im comin here we come, hold on were about to save you im comin, yeah hold on dont you worry, im comin coaching means making tough choices. Jim youre in but when you have high Blood Pressure and need Cold Medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. Coricidin hbp is the 1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your Blood Pressure. Coricidin hbp. Youve i like working. Areer. What if my Retirement Plan is i dont want to retire . Then lets not create a Retirement Plan. Lets create a plan for whats next. I like that. Get a plan thats right for you. Td ameritrade. The president s former lawyer may have no choice but to appear before congress after all. Today Michael Cohen was subpoenaed to testify before the Senate Intelligence committee some time next month before he reports to prison in early march. Cohen postponed a scheduled voluntary appearance before the House Oversight committee next month, citing threats to his family from Rudy Giuliani. Cohens lawyer confirmed the subpoena was issued and says cohen intends to comply with it. Just before air, i spoke with congressman Eric Swalwell as a democratic member from california and as a member of the house intelligence and judiciary committees. Congressman swalwell, adam schiff said today he is also prepared to subpoena Michael Cohen. That would be three committees cohen would be legally required to testify in front of. Some might see that as excessive. Is it . Circumstances well, Michael Cohen testified to the house Intelligence Committee and lied. Thats why hes in part going to jail. So i think we have reason to have him give us a come clean account of what really happened. Now other committees have other jurisdictions, but we want to get a full account just exactly what he was protecting for the president , why he lied, and then what did candidate trump know about russian efforts to build the trump tower and work with the Trump Organization to build a trump tower in moscow and also russias efforts to help the Trump Campaign during the 2016 election. Cohen and his people have obviously raised security concerns. Its not really the job of congress to provide security, but is there any way your committee can address cohens concerns for his familys safety or even for his safety from any kind of retaliation . I think this is something that we should this is an extraordinary circumstance. So we should of course consider it. As a former prosecutor, i can tell you that its very likely that the mueller team is also working to protect him, because they may need his testimony. But if i can address Michael Cohen, i would tell him as someone whose talked to witnesses who have broken away from gangs before, you know, one, you have to protect yourself as well. So you have to be smart about that. And two, youve already done the hard part. Youve come forward. Youve broken away. Youve given your account. Dont allow a paper tiger to bully you. And also, the message that you sent to other witnesses with your courage can be very helpful in an investigation. Lanny davis, cohens adviser called today for President Trump to be censured for witness tampering. Do you consider what the president has said about cohen to be witness tampering and would you support a censure vote . I think he is intending to keep Michael Cohen from coming in. At this point, i think because we are waiting for the mueller report, were doing our own investigations with respect to obstruction of justice and collusion, i dont think we need to every time there is breaking news have a censure vote, but i think there is going to be a day of reckoning for this president and what he has done with the russians and obstructing the rule of law in this country. I want to ask you about giuliani. As youre well aware, there have been a rot of shifting stories from a lot of Different Things from giuliani this week. He told the Washington Post about this. There is a strategy. The strategy will become apparent there have been these objections in the past. Its become obvious somewhat thereafter. You have to be patient. Does that make sense to you . Do you believe there is a strategy here . Actually, i believe what they are trying to do is to just kind of throw anything against the wall and see what sticks and create confusion, because theyre also fighting a political battle in addition to, you know, legal battles. But anderson, you to step back and ask why would the president not want Michael Cohen to testify . Why would Rudy Giuliani want to create confusion . To me, its because they want to protect the underlying questions which is did the president have knowledge of what the russians were doing . Was he seeking business deals while he was running for president . And did he obstruct and try and shut down lawful investigations . Innocent people dont ask the way that the president and his lawyer are acting. And i think thats that cant be missed here. Just finally, your committee, the house Intelligence Committee has announced its planning an investigation into Deutsche Bank. What do you hope to be able to glean from that . Because obviously Deutsche Bank, a lot of people have been circling around it for a long time. We want to find out if the president is financially compromised by the russians through lending lending from Deutsche Bank and Money Laundering that the russians may have engaged in. We have reason to look, anderson. Right now we know from statements from donald trump jr. And eric trump that theyve said that the Trump Organization had russian money flowing into it. We know that in 2017 Deutsche Bank was fined over 300 million for a 10 billion russian moneylaundering scheme. So you link those together and you have reason to look. I dont think we can draw any conclusions yet, but we werent able to look not the last two years, and we dont know if mueller is looking. So there is a responsibility that we answer that question. Congressman swalwell, thank you very much. My pleasure. Thank you. Joining me now is former obama acting solicitor general, neal katyal. Do you believe what the president has said about cohen constitutes witness tampering . It sure looks that way. I mean, you know, the president i think has repeatedly said go after Michael Cohens fatherinlaw and stuff like that. And that may be fine for an ordinary person to do, and thats what his lawyers say. Ordinary criminal defendants say these kind of things. But the president s own legal strategy is he is different than everyone else. He is the chief prosecutor, so he cant be indicted, and the nominee to the attorney general says the president has to be specifically named in a criminal statute to apply. So their whole view is the president is unlike everyone else, and he is for this purpose, because he is the chief prosecutor, and he is now saying that witness whose against me, go after his fatherinlaw. That is both criminal, anderson, but its also, you know, we as lawyers like to talk about the law. Its far more than that. Its conduct unbecoming the president of the United States. I mean, i was privileged to serve in the Obama Administration. I think if you ask anyone to serve in the george w. Bush administration, theyd say the same thing. When the president came in the room, you stood up a little taller. You made sure when he wasnt in the room, you didnt do anything wrong. No one lawyered up in the Obama Administration or anything like that. Here everyone in the white house appears to have one, two, or five lawyers, or maybe three lawyers and a giuliani or Something Like that. And that is really i think demonstrative of the real problem which is a criminal problem, but there is also a kind of conduct problem. Is it legitimate in your opinion to force cohen to testify if he says he is afraid for his safety or the safety of his family . Well, ultimately, the American People need to have the truth here. I mean, Michael Cohen knows stuff. Hes said he wants to come forward and testify. And one way or another, that testimony has to happen. Nour it doesnt necessarily have to happen immediately, and i think the president should be on warning that his tactics here are really the tactics not of innocent people, but of mob bosses. Thats what three Different Committee chairs in the house of representatives have said in a letter. They said it was, quote, textbook mob tactics. And then the president afterwards did the same thing, anderson. He went after Michael Cohens fatherinlaw again after being warned about this. So i do think there is a real, real problem and a need for the truth. Neal katyal, its great to have you as always. I appreciate it. Coming up, more on the real state of the union. The 800,000 federal employees who arent getting paid. Well introduce you to parents who depend on that federal paycheck who tonight are concerned their electricity could be shut off. Their daughter needs a breathing tube to live. Details ahead. 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And when it comes to the hundreds of thousands of federal workers who are affected, well, the stories of hardship just keep on coming. For some families, its potentially a matter of life and death, including a couple that randi kaye spoke with in kentucky. Here is randis report. Reporter this is 15monthold harper. She was born prematurely and needs a breathing tube. Harper was in a kentucky hospital for more than 300 days and just came home in august. Her mom, allie mckinny quit her job as a social worker to care for her daughter. We have to make sure there are eyes on her 24 7, because if she were to take her breathing tube out, she has no way to breathe. So she would instantly turn blue and she could potentially die. Reporter they thought they could rely on her dad chris r p rathcfords salary. Then came the shutdown. Now chris is working without pay. What does it feel like for you to go to work and not get a paycheck . It stinks. Reporter it stinks . Yes. Reporter when would you run out of money, do you think . Probably another month or so. Yeah. Reporter without money to pay bills, their electric could be turned off. That electric powers harpers ventilator and other lifesaving equipment. You voted for donald trump. Yes. Reporter and now have you youve have the shutdown. How do you feel than vote now . Right now at this point i i 100 regret voting for trump. Reporter do you blame the president . Yes, 100 . Reporter 100 . 100 . Reporter do you think that the president can relate to people like you and the struggle that youre dealing with now . No. I dont think hes ever been in a situation like this. I dont think hes ever had to worry about where your food is coming for or have to worry about how youre going to pay a bill. And i think it shows. I really do. Good job reporter medicaid pays for much of harpers care, but her parents still need to shell out hundreds of dollars a month for items that arent covered. You said you would like to actually meet with the president. Oh, i would love to. I would love to. Him, mitch mcconnell, anybody can come and sit on my couch. Reporter what would you tell President Trump if he sat on your couch . First, i would make him meet harper. And i would tell him this isnt about a border. Its about your people. And i know you want to keep your people safe, but by restricting payments of the money that theyre rightfully earning, thats not keeping people safe. Reporter what would you want the say to the president if you did get a meeting with him . Put us back to work so we can get paid. Reporter chris hasnt been paid since december 31st. My next pay paycheck is on the 28th, and i guarantee im not going to be getting it. Reporter that may be true, and if that continue, allie and chris know they need a plan b to keep harper healthy and safe. To try and bring in some extra money, allie and chris have actually sold off some of their personal belongings. They sold some baby toys, some furniture, and even part of their Baseball Card collection. What they really need is gas money. Thats because harper has so many doctors appointments, and some of them, anderson, are 30 and 40 miles but on top of worrying about gas money and harper, theyre also worried about getting evicted because they may not have the rent money. Chris cant believe it. He does have a job. He is a federal worker, but because he isnt bringing home a paycheck, they could lose their apartment and become homeless. Im glad you told their story. Thank you. I want to check in with chris and see what he was working on at the top of the hour. You see a story like that and then you hear what the commerce secretary said, they should just get loans, its unbelievable how disconnected. They just dont get, so the pain is real, we know that. We all know the pretty straight shooter, she is making the case she believes they think were coming to the end. Why . Were going to test her on that and then theres another indication that the president is starting to get the message. Hes putting out his defenders. Youll cesar rangers sanders on tv talking about this. Kellyanne conway is coming out tonight to make the case to the American People, to our audience, the president cares and that the wall is necessary to keep them safe. Well see it on the show and test it vigorously. Have you seen this movie three Identical Strangers . No. Its on cnn. Its really awesome. Ill let you go, chris, but its a fascinating story about three guys who accidentally discover that they are identical triplets and were separated at birth. And it also unlocked a really extraordinary and incredibly disturbing secret which is the focus of this movie three Identical Strangers. It airs on cnn this weekend. Ill talk to two of the brothers, next. Turn up your swagger game with one a day gummies. One serving. Once a day. With nutrients that support 6 vital functions. 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Earlier i spoke with two of the triplets. Its really incredible. I saw it in a hotel room. I had no idea about it. I dont want to say too much about it. Theres a lot of twists and turns and i want the audience to see it for themselves. Big picture, david, you and your brothers were separated at birth. When was it that you discovered you had brothers. I went to school and everybody kept saying that. First day of school. Everybody. So finally, after all of these people, this one guy named michael who is a great guy, who is in the film, found out about this guy, knew eddie well enough to know his birthday and that he was adopted. He found me and asked me my birthday. Asked me if i was adopted. Told me he thought i had a twin. We called eddie and we had a conversation. And we drove there 100 miles per hour. It hit the campus papers and local papers and it was everywhere. And i was at Queens College and somebody showed me the picture in the post or the news or whatever it was and the picture was a little grainy. It was too surreal. I didnt believe it. You hear your own voice because it sounds like you. Then i ran into another friend who i had known who is in the film and he was shaking and he said this is you, this is real. And the gravity, it sunk in. So i got home. My mother had another newspaper without a picture but all the information in terms of the adoption information, the hospital, the birthday, and she knew it was real. I called information. I got eddies number and said is eddie there and his mother said who is this . She was indated with press at that point so she wasnt really friendly or warm and fuzzy and i explained to her that i looked at the newspaper and i dont think theyre twins. I think im the third. What was the most meaningful part of making this film . Why did you want to take part in this . Well, when we first got together and david would agree with this, that we were just we were overjoyed for meeting each other, and thinking adult rational people would say arent you angry . Our parents were angry, as a group and individually that this had been done. We were just overjoyed that we had gotten each other. A lot of things have gone by in the last 39 years, you know . And i think that we got to a point in time where it was an appropriate time to tell the story. We grew up. We got married. We had children. We have an entirely different perspective in life than you do when youre 19. It was our parents job to be angry. Thank you. It is a fascinating movie called three Identical Strangers. News continues. I want to hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. I am chris cuomo. Welcome to primetime. Weve had new developments in the last few minutes on shutdown talks after hopes of a break through in the last few hours and new information on drastic next moves that president could take or at least he thinks he could if talks fail. Will he really go solo to build his wall . And can he . His counselor, Kellyanne Conway is supposed to join us tonight. We now know who is willing to break ranks with President Trump to get the government reopened today. There were two big votes today and we had one of the people that voted on both of them, susan collins, one of six republicans to cross the aisle in the senate and