Exchange in a moment. But first, lets just review how we got to that moment. On cbs this morning, Omarosa Omarosa continued her book tour, talking about another recording she made. Its reportedly a Conference Call from october of 2016 about the possible existence of a tape of the president using the n word during his time on the apprentice. Newman is on the call. So is Katrina Pearson as well as lynne patton who was an assistant to eric trump at the time. She joins us shortly tonight. On the call, there is talk of damage control and whether mr. Trump ever used the racial slur. Patton is heard she asked mr. Trump about using the n word and he said no. Later patton says this. He said it. Hes embarrassed. Reporter last night Katrina Pearson denied the phone call happened. Today she is saying he said it as a way to appease Manigault Newman and get her off the phone. Barely 30 minutes after the story hit, the president responded on twitter. When you give a crazed crying low life a break and give her a job at the white house, i guess it doesnt work out. Good work by general kelly for quick leg firing that dog. This is in the latest of tweets about Manigault Newman. Once again Sarah Sanders was asked about the president s language, particularly when its African Americans he is criticizing. Heres a logistic at what she said. The president has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with the president calling out someones lack of integrity. The idea that you would only point a few of the things that the president has said negative about people that are minorities, the fact is the president s an equal opportunity person that calls things like he sees it. He always fights fire with fire, and he certainly doesnt hold back on doing that across the board. Now, whatever you think of that answer, just take a moment to consider. This under ordinary circumstances, the president calling a former high level adviser, an African American woman a dog might be material enough for a press briefing. But there was a lot more today, and i want to play for it for you, as well as the questions leading up to it. Sarah, have you asked the president if hes ever used the n word. The president addressed that question directly via twitter. Id refer the question back to him. Ive never heard him. Have you asked him directly . The president , i didnt have to because he addressed to it northwestern people all at one time. Why haven you asked him directly . Again, the president answered that question directly on twitter earlier today. Kirks you stand at the podium and guarantee the American People theyll never hear donald trump utter the n word on a recording in any context . I cant guarantee anything, but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. I can tell you that ive never heard it. I cant guarantee anything, she said. But shes never heard it, which again is odd, because the president just last night said he could. At mark burnett tv called to say there are no tapes at the apprentice where i used such a terrible and disgusting word as attributed to wacky and deranged omarosa. I dont have that word in my vocabulary and never have. She made it up. Not in his vocabulary, he says, not ever. The president s tweets seem definitive, at least definitive enough for the press secretary to give the kind of statement likes these shes repeated for past president ial tweets. I would say that his tweet speaks for itself there. I think the president s statement via twitter today is extremely clear. I dont have anything to ad beyond the statement itself. I think that statement speaks for itself. There is nothing to add. She could have said that today, and she did. No perhaps that speaks for her and for herself. More now from the white house. Cnns jeff zeleny joins us for that. Its interesting for all the times Sarah Sanders has been willing to essentially stick her neck out for president with a full stop answer, she didnt do that this time. She didnt, anderson that was one of the surprising things to me, at least. Repeatedly asked again and again about this, she said the same answer. I cant guarantee that she knew of course that would be the headline coming out of this, that she cant guarantee it. Think of all the radio introduce, thousands and thousands of radio interviews the president has done. All the recordings he has done going the apprentice, other things, there could be a tape some where. Traps thats what she wassing my thig wh thinking when she said i cant guarantee it. It was curious, at least, in that regard. Jeff, the white house still saying the president s description of Manigault Newman as a dog is much ado about nothing . They are indeed. You heard Sarah Sanders say it there. He is happy to insult anyone. He is happy to insult anyone of any race who he doesnt agree with. She said the president agrees she lax integrity. Keep in mind, of course, he hired her. He brought her on here in the first place. Hes been a listeningtime friend of hers. But reality is the white house repeatedly said its not racist. Only the president knows whats in his heart when he said that. He has called numerous people dogs repeatedly. There is a long list of former rivals, dogs, other things. But never as a sitting president has he called a former staffer, certainly a former African American high reigning staffer here a dog. Thats what he called omarosa, of course, this morning. And i understand that Manigault Newman is explaining she was interviewed special counsel robert mueller. Do we know thats true . We have her word on that, and thats the only word because the special counsel is the only person in this town who has not commented on this case. We do know at least talking to white house officials here that while she was at least at the white house, she was not interviewed, she was not asked to sit down with him. But of course she was fired last december. So she writes in her book that she was contacted by the fbi in february of 2018. After that, if she sat down with him, that of course is something that she would have a record of and have an understanding of. Its hard to understand she would lie about that specifically when its so verifiable. But of course the special counsels office never comments on who they interview. So it is her word at this point. But anderson, so much of this simply is her word. Of course, a lot of unverified claims in there. But a lot of claims on tape as well. Thank you very much. I want to talk about one of the tapes. I want to talk to one of the people on the call with Omarosa Omarosa that was recorded. Lynne patton joins us now. Lynn, thank you so much for being with us. Hi, anderson. Pleasure. Nice seeing you. So lot to talk about. First of all, thank you for agreeing to be here. Yes. I want to get started with the recording that was released this morning of this phone conversation that allegedly took place that you were on the call, Katrina Pierson, back in 2016. Just for our viewers. Lets just play that. Im trying to find out at least the context if it used in to help us maybe try to figure out a way to spin it. I said well, sir, you think of any time this might have happened and he said negative, well, thats not true. He goes how do you think i should handle it . And i told him exactly what you just said, omarosa. It depends on what scenario youre talking about, and he said why dont you go ahead and put it to bed. No, he said it. Hes embarrassed. Okay. So thats the tape released. As far as you remember, is that recording accurate . Thats your voice on the tape . Well, anderson, there were a lot of times that we talked about this tape, because omarosa was literally obsessed with it. She brought up up constantly. Its clear now the reason she did is because she wasser is erupt tis secretly recording us. A friend remind me today, early on in the campaign i made a joke that she was probably recording us all. From very beginning, omarosa has always been about omarosa, and that has never been a secret to us. You said in a statement that you were probably the closest person toer in the white house, that you interacted with her pretty much on a daily basis. Yeah. What shes done is hacker. Its infuriating there are a whole bunch of adjectives i could use. Did you ever raiseoncerns about her . Because obviously anybody who has watched the apprentice or seen her on any tv show knows what she is potentially capable of. You know, lets be clear. Omarosa is an actress, and thats exactly what shes doing right now is playing a role. And quite frankly, she is playing us all. But did you ever raise concerns to people in the white house, to eric trump who you worked with or anybody in the trump family as to why has she been hired . Heres the thing. Omarosa is somebody who has always been at the center of attention. She has been willfully and deceitfully engaging in surreptitious behaviors. You said you worked more closely with her than anybody in the white house. No, no. What i said is i was probably the closest confidante she had. We texted multiple times a day. She told me what was going on at the white house. So you never raised concerns about her . But, no i did not. Okay. So in that recording i mean, i dont speak for omarosa. I speak for myself. Of course. Who this administration chooses to hire is obviously up to them. Did you think it was a mistake when you heard she had been hired . No. Not at all, not at all. Why . You say shes always been out for herself. Again, i know that omarosa, the one that i know on television has been out for herself. The one that i got to know as friend was actually a decent person. Obviously President Trump thought so. She was very close to the family at one point. But whats clear to me right now is that omarosa is obviously putting herself first. Weve been through a lot, but here she is now turning on a family that obviously embraced her and a man that gave her every opportunity. Let me ask you, because in last night, you released a statement before this recording was released, right when it was only omarosas word about this conversation. You released a statement that read in part at no time did i participate in a Conference Call with Katrina Pierson advising me, that lunts hluntz had claimd had heard president donald j. Trump use a derogatory racial term, a claim that luntz himself. Its important to be here today and clarify my statement. What i said was and what was refuted was that katrina set up a Conference Call to confirm that frank luntz said that he heard djt specifically say the n word. That never happened. What did happen, though, is that omarosa has been allowed to continue on her tour of lies without being checked by either the media or obviously her book publisher. But thats not when you made that Statement Last night, the only thing that had been released by cbs was a tweet saying that Katrina Pierson in the conversation, Katrina Pierson says okay, well, frank luntz know what it is, apparently heard it. Thats not true because omarosa then reiterated those statements on both Savannah Guthrie and chuck todd. So thats what i was disputing. What i was refuting was the fact that omarosa claimed that we confirmed that on that Conference Call that frank lunzs said this. He has obviously come out and denied it. Weve come out and denied it. What i have a hard time understanding is why you know, this administration has found itself on the defensive end against a woman who has willfully and deceitfully and surreptitiously recorded possibly engaged in illegal behavior against a family like i said that has embraced her. Yet im the one on television having to explain myself. Its like the twilight zone. Even on the way over here i heard she might be working in conjunction with robert mueller. And while i might have only gone to law school for a year, you know, i caught her myself in four lies this morning. So, you know, if the mueller team considers her a credible source of information, then their case is obviously a lot weaker than we already knew it to be. So Katrina Pierson, we hear her on the same saying he said it. Hes embarrassed about it, talking about then candidate donald trump. Im wondering when you heard that in that conversation, what did you think that Katrina Pierson meant by that . To an observer, whether you heard tonight recording or just the transcript, he said it. He is embarrassed by it. Obviously Katrina Pierson can speak for herself and she has already released a statement to that effect. She said she was trying to get off the phone. Weve all had that ajoying coworker. I think if anything what omarosas tapes prove is the president denied saying it very early on in the campaign, and that he said to it me. Right. Im the one who d you than specifically. But my only question is what we havent heard from you, weve heard from Katrina Pierson. Right. Let me just play what she said. Sure. And just play that. In the book omarosa says katrina had heard from her sources that the tape was of trump using the n word, someone she knew who knew political strategist frank luntz told her luntz had heard it. Lynne reported she asked trump about tonight plane specifically whether it was possible such a tape might exist. Then she, katrina asked him what he wanted their do. He said put it to bed. Katrina cursed and said he said it. Did that happen . No, ed, that did not happen. It sounds like she is writing a script for a movie. Ive already been throughout talking about this. That is absolutely not true. So that was before the tape was released. The tape actually does back up what eds question. She said it didnt happen, but it did actually happen. Well, again, katrina said she was play indicating somebody who was obviously she said the conversation didnt happen. No what we said, again, is that what didnt happen is we did not have a Conference Call confirming that luntz said the n word or heard donald trump say the n word. What these tapes do confirm is the fact that donald trump, again, denied that he used this derogatory term very early on in the campaign. Hes obviously been very clear on twitter. But he does he said this is not a word that is in his vocabulary. He told me as an individual that he did not say this word. When he said to you put it to bed, what did that mean . Just get rid of the rumors. If i started a rumor about you tomorrow, that would be annoying, especially if you knew it not to be true. So you, you know, what he meant by that is that, you know, this is something that really cant be tolerated. It sounds to me, though, and again, youre not speaking for Katrina Pierson, but last night when ed henry is asking her about this conversation, she says it didnt happen. She wasnt specifically saying frank lunts never confirmed it. That wasnt in the conversation. I can only speaking to what i know is true. And katrina said she was play indicating this woman. I said we had a Conference Call, but not about what omarosa claimed it to be. Ive been very clear than. What hasnt happened is omarosa has not been clear about when she heard this tape. Multiple stories on this. Thank you. Last december. She told other sources she heard about it as far back as october. I would not know the details that i know about this tape if she had not dealt me herself. And why the media refuses to kind of take to task and pick apart her statement as they do ours. Right. Is really i think its being picked apart. Well. Raising questions about whether she had talked to mueller, he dont know that future a fact. We only have her word on it. Last night, or in a statement, you also said that omarosa called you the night she was fired. She didnt disclose to you that she had been fired. She said she was resigning. She said she was resigning because she specifically heard the apprentice tape and that she was resigning and that i should resign as well, and even give secretary carson a heads up too. Because you work at hud . Right. The next day you said you talked to communication official, Senior Communications officials and a trump family members it. Can you say who talked and what . Sure. Hope hicks was involved. Obviously, i spoke to laura trump. She is one of my best friends. I let them know that this is what omarosa was claiming. And they told you she had been fired . Well, i cant really recall when that a came to light, but i believe thats probably the case. If you remember, omarosa had been allowed to stay at the white house for a period of time. It was her plan to always tell people that she had resigned, even though that obviously was not the case. When she told me she resigned, she felt that that was a lie she could perpetuate. You knew the president well. Youve worked for the organization future a long time. Uhhuh. Before you worked in government. Sarah sanders today said she couldnt guarantee there is no recording out there of the president using the n word. Can you guarantee there is no tape throughout . Well, look, the white house is a Diverse Group of folks. Obviously the president , i cant speak for him. I know that hes told me that he has never said this word, that its not in his vocabulary. I take him at his word. Would it shock you . Absolutely. The donald trump that i know doesnt see black and white. He sees success and failure. And whether that manifests itself as a person, a company, a place, you know, a television show, he certainly makes no distinction, and he doesnt categorize those successes and failures into race, religion and gender. When he referred to Omarosa Omarosa who was a Senior Adviser, very highly paid by taxpayer money as a dog, is that appropriate . Well, look, the president has referred to a lot of people as dogs. He referred to robe ed tred t r dog from the twilight movies, mitt romney, ted cruz. To me these arent terms that are thats derogatory or racial. What they are is somebody biting back and fighting back that have been wronged. It is derogatory to call somebody a dog. Well, you know. Im not justing. Its an insult. Its not a kind word. I know he didnt mean it as a compliment. But at the same time, he said 80 to a lot of people. So for the media to spin into it something racial is really i dont think its media. I think its a lot of people giving question. I just listed five white men who he has also said it to, and thats not racist. Just for the president of the United States, with all the honor and stature and importance of that office, does it do you think its appropriate for the president of the United States to call anybody i think the American People voted for somebody who speaks their mind. Ive been with him for almost ten years, arguably saying what he thinks and what he feels has resulted in a lot of success for him. One could say its what put him at 1600 pennsylvania. Help me understand. And i think the American People would rather have somebody who speaks their mind than has somebody who runs a sentence past 80 people. Help me understand because again, youve worked for the trump organization. You know it inside and out. The president during the Campaign Said he hires the best people. He hires the best people, said it over and over again. It was a very effective part of his campaign. Is omarosa Manigault Newman, was she one of the best people . Look, Omarosa Manigault has in her own right been very successful given from where she came from. And through all after that, she has attributed all that of to the president , you know, from the time she grew up in youngstown, ohio. She actually took me to her hometown, took the whole womens tour. The best and brightest in the white house. She has worked in the white house before. Ask clinton. Did he think she was one of the best. He hired her. You know. How do you reconcile if she is one of the best to be hired with now she is a dog and crazed and a crying low life. What she is obviously is a disgruntled employee, you know. And fame and power have weird and different reactions to the different people, you know. Obviously, were seeing that in a lot of cases. But for me, i can only say what i know. And what i know is that this family gives people second chances, and im a perfect example of that. And the president gave omarosa a second chance, a third chance and a fourth chance. And now she has none left. Lynne patton, i really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Its great to talk to you. Its nice. Were going discuss this more after the break with our team of political commentators. And later well dig deeper into the nondisclosure agreement she was asked to sign and that Sarah Sanders was commonplace. Well talking about legalities, plus how much of a departure it may be from the way things are normally done in washington. And later, Stephen Millers uncle on what he believes the policies the president are pushing is doing to the American Dream and he took the rare step to speak out about his own nephew. Well be right back. Before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, lucy could only imagine enjoying a slice of pizza. Now its as easy as pie. 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Before the break you heard from lynne patton who was on the call during the campaign dealings with the possibility the president was on tape from the apprentice using the n word. Sarah sanders said she cannot guarantee there is no tape the of the president using it. I asked her if she believes she ever has. Well, look, the white house is a Diverse Group of folks. Obviously, the president , i cant speak for him. Obviously he told me that he has never said this word, that its not in his vocabulary. I take him at his word. As someone youve known for a long time, would it shock you . Absolutely. The donald trump that i know doesnt see black and white. He cease success and failure. Join iing news is gloria borger, and paris denard. Paris, let me ask you, is it appropriate for the president of the United States to call a high level adviser, a former high level adviser a dog . They defend the language by saying its fighting fire with fire. It is appropriate . Is it him being his best, to pair fiez lonnie Trumps Campaign . I dont know, anderson. You have to ask the president. I dont know fit was appropriate for omarosa to call him acting like a dog without a leash whenever mrs. Trump wasnt around. I know the president is referred to is everyone is well documented and especially jeff zeleny the fact that the president calls many people dogs, a lot of white people, a lot of white men dogs. Its way the president talks. Its the way that the American People knew that the president , then candidate talks. So when he is attacked, when his character is attacked, he fights fire with fire. Thats just who he is. Careen, what about that . Sarah sanders said today look, the American People knew the president speaks like this. He talked about being president ial when he was rung and how he could be Different Things at different times. If he is an equal opportunity offender of calling people durgs whatever, why should it be a concern . Anderson, it doesnt make it less inappropriate. It doesnt make it less racist. Donald trump has been really clear. Just look at his twitter feed. He attacks at a more of a in his twitter than you see at anybody else, attacking waters and congresswoman water, congressman wilson, and nfl players. And he does that as a cattle call, right, to his base. And to say hey, look, look what im doing. I think these people are less than. Im dehumanizing them. Im with you. And its a real clear thing that hes doing. And i think with Sarah Sanders, its remarkable that in 2018 at this she was not able to guarantee that the president of the United States did not use the n word. And i think that says everything that we need to know, because we know Sarah Sanders has stuck her neck out, as you were talking earlier with jeff zeleny on many issues that we all knew were lies. But this one she would not lie about it, because she could not lie about it. And honestly, anderson, we dont need a tape. We dont need transcripts. We dont need any of that. Donald trump has been pretty clear. Just look at his career. His Business Career he started off as a racist. When he stepped into the political arena being the grand wizard of birtherism, it was inherently racist with president obama. That was his entry point into the politics. When he stepped into the world he went after mexicans and called them rapists and drug dealers. And his first year in the presidency, when he saw neonazis marching down charlottesville, he said very fine people, good people on both sides. And didnt bother acknowledging Heather Heyer who was a counterprotester and heard that. Paris, i want you to be able to respond. I mean, look, Sarah Sanders could not guarantee that there was not an audiotape of the president taken or recorded years before he was president or a candidate. I dont think anybody could guarantee that omarosa was going to produce a tape that is actually a combination of two tapes. The tape, as i understand, the tape that was released is not one tape and one conversation. Its two separate conversations and two tapes. So if you asked somebody beforehand, can you guarantee that there is not a tape twhierks have said yes, i can guarantee it. Well, omarosa produced a fraudulent tape. And so i think Sarah Sanders did the right thing. And in the videos you showed before when she said the president s tweets speaks for itself, the president s tweet speaks for itself. Thats what she said. The president has already act nojd it. He preempted me and said its not in his vocabulary that is where she said the tweet, again, speaks for itself. Im not sure its fair to say its a fraudulent tape. I did ask ms. Patton if she could verify it. She said there are many conversations about it. Katrina pierson said there are two tapes. Weve reached out to cbs for verification was this two separate tapes . We havent gotten word back. You raise a fair point. Gloria, the president does seem to have a penchant for likening people to dogs. I like dogs, but things like choking, getting fired, sweating, a few comparisons hes made to people over the past few years. Mitt romney choking like a dog. Its his way, a silly way of donald trump asserting his prowess and his dominance. He doesnt like dogs. We know he is a germophobe. But what this is really about is about saying i am stronger than you, and i am better than you, and you choke like a dog and you sweat like a dog, and im going to fire that im going to fire that dog. Its demeaning not only to the person who is saying it, which would be donald trump, but it is demeaning to the office of the presidency and the stature of the presidency because a president really needs to understand that he should not be speaking like this. And i know his supporters will say this is why we elected him. We elected him because he speaks his mind. But what he succeeded in doing today is very difficult, which is he made omarosa almost into a sympathetic figure. No, he did not do. I swear to you that. But wait a minute. By calling her a dog and saying, you know, im glad we fired that dog or whatever way he did it, he did turn her into somewhat im not saying she is sympathetic, paris. I get it. And i think these two people deserve each other. But there was some sympathy for her when he did denigrate her like that using that language. Isnt it, though, paris, donald trump knew who omarosa was before he hired her. I didnt watch the apprentice, but even i had seen clips of omarosas behavior on television. For him to continue to say that he hires the best people and then suddenly he told general kelly, try to keep her around because she speaks well of me, or she says nice things about me. And now suddenly saying all these terrible things about her, doesnt it reflect, though, on him and his management style, his choices . Well, anderson, i watched the apprentice all season. It was a fantastic show. And i was well aware of omarosa. Look, she wrote a book in 2008 called bswitch. Any time you have somebody who was fired, a disgruntled employee or somebody is let go, you know what . At one point they were actually hired. So anybody in america, anybody in the world who was fired or let go or disappointed their boss or betrayed their boss or betrayed their friends like omarosa has done at one point was hired. But i will say, omarosa, the omarosa i met on the campaign trail, the omarosa that the American People saw throughout the Transition Team and at the white house, she was someone who was strong in her defense and adversary for President Trump and his agenda for making the country better for people of all denominations, backgrounds, especially the African American community. Thats why she was hired to communicate that message. But look, karine, quickly and then you, she is still strong in her defense. I dont know if she is any different now than she was before she was hired. I mean, look, here is the problem here is that omarosa has known donald trump what, 15 years . They had a mutual beneficial relationship. So he brought her in. They were friends. So he takes a he needs to take responsibility for the people he hires. He says he hires the best people. Thats it. Thats who he represents as the best person. I dont think theyre friends. I think they used each other. True. And they used each other. Theyre not friends anymore. He said omarosa, youre fired. Who knows. Season four. Well what happen. Who knows. Paris denard, gloria borger, thank you. Coming up, the world of nondisclosure agreements and ndas. Are they the norm inside the white house . Thats next. Lios to your goals and needs. Some only call when they have something to sell. Fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. And while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. Fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other money managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. The Trump Campaign tonight says its taking legal action against omarosa Manigault Newman, accusing her of breach agnone disclosure agreement that she signed with the Trump Campaign back in 2016, which brought about this exchange at the White House Briefing today with Sarah Sanders. Can i ask you once more about the practice of signing people to nondisclosure agreements . Because let me ask you what it says about the expressions of loyalty or lack thereof, people who work behind that wall. Why do people need to be contractually obligated forever after in perpetuity never say anything negative about the president , any member of his family, any product they should produce. Why is that necessary . Look, again, its common in a lot of to protect the corporate. There whats the corporate interest . Certainly its also despite contrary opinion, its also very normal and every Administration Prior to the Trump Administration has had ndas, particularly specific for anyone that had a security clearance. This white house is certainly no different. Keeping someone like omarosa silent . Because right now what the Trump Campaign is doing, he is forcing her essentially to defend herself and potentially even pay damages. Why is that necessary . Thats a question you would have to ask the Trump Campaign. Speaking of the Trump Campaign, according to Manigault Newman, they tried to get her to sign a nondisclosure agreement in exchange for signing, which she says she never did, she would have been paid 15,000 a month by the Trump Reelection Campaign in exchange for staying silent. If she had joined the campaign or gone to work for the rnc, she would have been the first person in the president s orbit to do. So these high level trump appointees left this Trump Administration to sign up with trumprelated political groups. We know one of them, Keith Schiller who is the president s confidante for years is being paid the exact same amount, 15,000 allegedly offered to Manigault Newman to help provide security for the 20th 20th republican convention. Another name on that list is carl higgbie, resigned and again from the nonprofit that supports the president in early jean after cnn reported on his history of antimuslim, racist and antigay comments he made. Jim schultz, former lawyer in the Trump Administration and amanda carpenter, author of the book gaslighting america. Jim, were you involved with getting Trump White House staffers to sign ndas . Talking blanket ndas. Sarah sanders says thats been Standard Operating Procedure even though your former boss don mcgahn told people theyre basically unenforceable. So im not going to get into what was discussed while i was a white house staffer because that would be inappropriate. And thats generally the rule of thumb as it relates to white house staffers, especially white house lawyers. You dont discuss what you discuss with white house staff. Can i ask if you signed a nondisclosure statement . I did. I said earlier today that i did in fact sign a nondisclosure agreement in may. So getting back to, this though, and i think its important to note that in the corporate world, yes, its typical that you have an nda. I have clients all the time who do business with other clients. In order to do that, they sign an nda so that that information doesnt leave those two parties. Typically, in certain instances, in the corporate world, there will be employees who are required to sign ndas because they are getting information that is sensitive. Likewise, in the white house, there was a requirement that employees signed ndas. It was more of a belt and suspenders approach as it results to the existing obligation. But its very, very important, and i think norm will agree with this, its very, very important that whistleblowers, subpoenas, investigations, that their ability to speak is not stifled, and thats not what this was all about. It was really it protected the interest of those individuals while at the same time, the interests and the rights of those individuals with regard to those issues. Im not sure protected. It was more about protecting the president , and the administration from negative publicity. Hold on, no, no, no. No but as it relates to whistleblowers and investigations and subpoenas and oversight requests, certainly protected the signers likewise. Thats the important thing. We asked several people who served in high level roles in past administration, republican or democrat that. All said they dont know of anyone aside from National Security matter, specific National Security matters who was asked to sign an nda. Why would Sarah Sanders say its so common . I dont know why sarah said what she said. I think it was common as it relates to venders that deal with the white house on a regular basis. And im not going to speak for sarah. What do you mean vendors . Business with the white house. People who provide services or companies that provide services to the white house. I believe that would be something that would be a regular practice. But as it relates to staff, certainly. This is an anomaly. It is an anomaly. No question than. But at the same time, going back to it, the fact of the matter is its reinforcing what is already there. As a white house lawyer, there is no way im going to go out and talk about the specific conversations. Would a white house nda even be enforceable . These are employees paid by taxpayers. They dont work for donald trump, the family or personal business. They work for the government of the United States. No anderson, they would not be enforceable. I was a lawyer for the obama campaign, transition and white house. We never dreamt of one. I never heard of them. Sarah sanders, ill say it, she was out and out lying today, anderson. Because if you listen to what she said, she said theyre common in the classified setting. But thats not what were talking about here. Immediate ra reports are omarosa didnt even have a security clearance. So the law is that the First Amendment protects the right of government officials when they leave to speak. Its a part of freedom of speech. And thats why it is reported that don mcgahn, my friend jim was very laurie, awyer ly. But thats why it was reported that don mcgahn said essentially go ahead and sign, it can never be enforced against you. So this is one more. But the fact that donald trump required people to sign an unconstitutional document is one more piece of evidence of his contempt and disdain for the constitution. All right. I want to bring in amanda, but i got to take a quick break. Amanda, well come right to you when we come back. We hide hotel names, so you can find four star hotels at two star prices. Hotwire eeee before the break, i asked about his own experience in the white house with nondisclosure agreements, or lack thereof. Back with him, Amanda Schultz and kim carpenter. Last night on the program you brought up the idea that omarosa claimed she was offered 15,0 15. Essentially severance on a monthly basis in order not to speak out, and there have been others offered that as well. We talked about the former body man for the president who is getting reportedly some 15,000 paid by the rnc. To do security for the 2020 convention, which i mean, im not sure whether what the security setup is right now for a convention that is so far off. But it is interesting that i mean, is that common, amanda, as far as you know . I think there are very legitimate questions between pairing the prospect of a nondisclosure agreement with a very high paying job that may not require very much work. That seems to me that the rnc may be being used as a hush money slush fund, and there should be questions about what Michael Cohens role was as deputy finance chair where he orchestrated hush money payments for a former big rnc donor to a former playmate. There is a lot going on in that department. But, i mean, as these nondisclosure agreements apply to official work, it is absolutely appalling not only that the president would ask taxpayerfunded employees to sign nondisclosure agreements, but that anyone in the west wing would sign them, because they work for the United States of america, not as personal Brand Ambassadors for the president. And i think even though i dont think these ndas for official work are very enforceable, they are successful because they put a price on anyone who speaks out against the president. The question is how much will they pay. Any time you Say Something that could be in the category of demean organize disparaging the president , you may have to think about calling a lawyer. And i think that bleeds through in all the surrogates and people are associated with President Trump in their just over the top rhetoric and praise of the president. And so maybe were getting a better explanation for why they act in these bizarre ways because they have these contracts over their head. And people who seem to disappear, there is a lot of them, may be being paid for that sieshlgs jim, i saw y. Jim, i saw you shaking your head. Im under no obligation to say nice things about the president. From time to time im critical of this president on this show and other cnn shows. Amanda, youre just flatout wrong about the disparagement part of this. I read it. There is clauses about nondisparaging the president. Is ivanka trump doing a good job . Do you think ivanka trump is doing a good job . Amanda, youre talking about i asked you a question. You said im wrong, i asked you a question. Youre not asking these questions, amanda. You dont get to ask the questions here. I get to speak just like you do. Go ahead. In this instance, youre talking about government officials, and you are conflating the government officials with the campaign officials. Kellyanne conway confirmed that west wing employees sign ndas. Jim, just from a legal standpoint. Right, a nda and a nondisparagement agreement are two Different Things. But the nda included disparaging statements against the president , his family and the vice president. I dont know if you can say, but does the im under no obligation. I criticize this administration when its right to criticize this administration. Can you say whether or not there is a disparagement clause in there . I am under no legal obligation not to i am under no legal obligation to refrain from criticizing this administration. Right. But that doesnt mean did. Amanda, youre flat out wrong. You havent said if theres a nondisparagement claude in the n dwrks nda. I signed the nda. Theres the answer to your question. So there is no nondisparagement clause in the nda im not going to get into what is and isnt in that document because i was a white house staffer at the time. Are you afraid of the president suing you . No, im not at all. I come on this show time and time again and am critical of this president and this administration and Rudy Giuliani at times, and they just tweeted out last week one that i was critical on. So to sit here and say that all white house employees have to say nice things about the president is just ridiculous. I just think its questionable that any taxpayerfunded employee would sign a nondisclosure you just dont know what youre talking about agreement with the president let her respond. I think employees that are taxpayerfunded take an oath to support and defend the constitution. We all saw those west wing employees raise their hand and take that oath. And if they signed another agreement to never disparage or demean the president , that could be taken any number of ways. I think that is a First Amendment violation. I dont think its constitutional, but i think its terrible judgment for anyone who would enjoy a job in that white house to put loyalty to a president above the constitution. Ambassador eisen, i want to you have the final word. Im just going to white house staffers need to keep confidential information. Go ahead, ambassador. Anderson, you know, i deplore the president making them sign these agreements. But i do understand why individuals who are there, some of them serving as the last bastion of attempting to hang on to sanity by a shred, are signing unenforceable agreements just in order to stay there and protect our country. So im not prepared to condemn them out of hand. Appreciate it. Still ahead, a tough message to get from anyone, let alone a relative. White house Senior AdviserStephen Miller being called a hypocrite but his own uncle. Youll hear from him next. Salet and now is the best time to buy. You ready for this, junior . Yeah, i think i can handle it. No pressure. Thats just my favorite boat. Boom. laughs make summer go right with ford, americas bestselling brand. And get our best deal of the summer zero percent financing for sixty months on f150. Get zero percent financing for 60 months plus 2,800 bonus cash on a 2018 f150 xlt equipped with 2. 7l ecoboost. Belarus. White house Senior Policy AdviserStephen Miller is one of the architects of the president s agroech to immigration and is coming under attack. Its not written by a pundit or political insider. Its written by his uncle, david glosser. I spoke to him earlier today. In the piece you wrote, you describe your nephew, Stephen Miller, as an immigration hypocrite. What do you mean by that . Its an important question. I have to preface my response by saying that i wrote this article more in sadness than in anger or resentment. Our Family History is entirely dependent upon the fact that our family was able to escape from a terrible situation in what is now the country of belarus. In those days, it was part of the russian empire. Your family first came here in the early 1900s . The first of our particular group came over in 1903. They worked for a while peddling fruit and doing sweat shot work. Then they were able to round up enough money to bring over the rest of the immediate family. Everybody else who didnt make it, they were all swept away in the holocaust and dead. And so youre saying the hypocrisy ill put it simply. Had we not been able to enter america when we did, Stephen Miller would never exist. And so this notion of chain migration, which is something the Administration Calls the opportunity for somebody who has come to the United States to apply to get their parents to come, their cousins, brothers or sisters to come that has been part of your Family History, of Stephen Millers Family History . That is the classic story of virtually everybody in america who isnt a native american or who was brought over unwillingly as a slave. Thats everybodys story. You referred to your nephew as an immigration hypocrite. The first lady, her parents just got citizenship based on what the administration would call chain migration. As far as i understand, mr. Trumps grandfather came over. Either his father or his grandfather came over as an immigrant from germany, trying to avoid draft into the germany army. He was trying to find a new life here in the United States. His mother, i think, escaped the poverty of scotland, looking for a better opportunity in new york city. And he is married to whats the count now . Three immigrant women in the United States and has just through chain migration, her parents have been made citizens of the United States, and i welcome them. You know, its obviously always difficult to talk about race and, i always hesitate to even bring it up in these circumstances. But the president has you know, theres been reporting that hes talked about immigrants coming from what he called shithole countries. He talked about people from haiti having aids. About people in nigeria not wanting to go back to their huts as if everybody in nigeria lives in huts. Talked about why shouldnt more people from norway come. Do you see a racial component in this administration, how they view this issue . All those epithets are the sorts of things which were said about jews, irish, poles, hungarians, sicilians, sardinians. Everybody from southern europe, eastern europe, from the balkan countries were all condemned and vilified by the socalled America Firsters of their day. These people were described frequently as slime pumped out of the mud tanks of europe, rapists, murderers, thieves, gangsters. And thankfully the United States has made progress, as fitful as it may be, in reforming immigration laws so that we no longer have these racial quotas. It is hard to escape the conclusion based on the administrations actions and policies rather than the rhetoric. Its hard to escape the conclusion that they want to disadvantage people coming from countries based on their religion, based on their ethnicity, and based on their countries and regions of origin. Did it surprise you that stephen was involved in this, that i mean you see him as a leading voice in this in the administration. Sadly, its no surprise. It appears that much of his professional identity and his personal identity has been wrapped up in this particular issue, though i do not know why. You dont understand why . I dont know why. Listen, i dont know the fellow very well. Ive met him perhaps a total of ten times in my life and havent had a substantive conversation with him for many years. Everything i know about him really is drawn from his public persona, from his actions and what hes said and what hes written. What are you hoping speaking out does . Are you hoping he hears it . Is it for him . Is it for others . Listen, its for anybody whos willing to listen. But i want people of good will to recognize that the United States is a great country. And the reason its great is because of one of the many reasons its great is because of our open attitude towards people of different races, religions, and ethnicities. David, i appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Of course we reached out to the white house yesterday and again today to see if Stephen Miller had a response to his uncles oped. We got naught. The news continues. Sh cuomo prime time starts now. I am chris cuomo. Welcome to prime time. Omarosa says trump knew about the hacked dnc emails before wikileaks dumped them. This would expose a new level of lying for trump and potential issues with mueller if it is true. This allegation is not in her book and is only worth something if she has proof. Now, the white house and trump say she cannot prove it. But they did say she was lying about him using the nword, and today she dropped a tape that has another Campaign Staffer on it saying that trump did use the nword. So stay tuned. The Trump Campaign certainly seems concerned enough about om