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Anderson Cooper takes viewers beyond the headlines with indepth reporting and investigations. What it does is put a huge number of seats in play for democratic enthusiasm. Now, thats going to result in a lot more republican spending than we had before. Maybe both sides get motivated on the money but republicans will have more money. So thats a big concern for democrats. I think the ground game in a close election like this matters. That infrastructure is there, and we have the money for that. Its more speaking with the voters. Like i said before nancy pelosi could be the speaker, they could have Subpoena Power and essentially grind to a halt. Things are going well. They need tawao wake up and understand democrats are motivated. If we can motivate our base i believe that can happen in november. They all know its an election in november and we tend to turn out in higher numbers in midterms. The Complacency Thing is november in almost every one of these races. Its about district. You know, that what happened with the joe crowleycortez race, that district worked for there. Thats not going to work in the conorlamb districts in 2018. So i think for democrats this interm fight is very interesting. Whats going on with them is being overshadowed obviously by whats happening with republicans and trump. But that is something to watch. There is certainly tension there. I think that tension is overplayed. Mike, ill let you go in after this quick. Mike said earlier the Republican Party has enough room for Trump Supporters, enough room for everyone. The republican coalition, theres traditional republicans and new republicans that are more trump. So hold on that thought. Why is it different . Stoohave a cortez or a Bernie Sanders which a bit more progressive than i think youre going to see the nancy pelosi part of the democrats or the establishment welcome them in where it works but then shun them where it doesnt, where its not beneficial to them. Its a different dynamic, though. Theyre not looking at the progressive the left Wing Progressive part of the Democratic Party the way that the republicans and the trumpers are looking at those of us who have questioned what happened to the party based on the way theyve sold out a lot of their principles for trump. Some of the left wing, the radical left hasnt won as much, but they have pulled all the other capped dts to the left. So you have many of these democrats that are winning these primaries that are for abolishing i. C. E. , affordable health care, and the tax increase it pushes them out of the mainstream of suburban voters i cant believe you didnt jump in on the radical left. Heres the point, you make the argument that mike is making and can say the exact same thing about the Trump Coalition. What we do know, though, is that the Trump Coalition as it stands is actually decreasing its numbers. Thats true. What we saw tonight in ohio 12 was a reduction in the trump vote. And, you know, normally you have a president who works to expand their base. And what we are not seeing with this president , what we are not seeing with the republicans is an effort to expand the base. I do have to say just in my limited in my, you know, im not one of you political experts. I observe. Republicans always come home. Republicans always come home regardless of who the candidate is. The democrats are split a lot on policy. We have the cortez wing. The sanders wing is more socialist and more to the left on policy issues. Republicans overall i feel were still united on policy. We want limited government, most of us are prolife, most of us want Immigration Reform thats still reasonable. But its the tone and tactic. Youve been awful quiet tonight. I want to take this republican primary race of governor in kansas tonight, really close. Running neck and neck now with the incumbent jeff collier. That was a risky move for the president. Kansas is not one of the super trump states. He did not relative to romney say in 2012, trump did not do funom funf phenomenally better in kansas. So this is not necessarily a state where trump has more juice, but if kobach pulls out tonight i think theres no doubt you have to give the president do we have to sound bite . I want to discuss that. Go on. Most republicans think kobach is the weaker of the two capped dts in the general. And this was a fourway primary race, two. And i believe the other two lesser candidates on the republican candidate side pulled double digits away from the top two guys. So where are those people going . Those are antiincumbent votes. When you have other people that vote against the incumbent, those are all a coalition of antiincumbent voters. Kobach, he was part of the commission that was set up to investigate Election Fraud, and members of the committee who were ton there said nothing really came out of that and they were pushing really to confirm what the president thought was happening when it comes to Election Fraud and none of that was true. Someone who actually sued and got the information that was on the committee i spoke to him the other night, watch this. We didnt find anything. In fact, this is one of the things, when we got the documents this past week, we went thru them and we published them. There was actually a draft report. We never discussed the report, what it was going to look like and include, but there was a draft included with sections of cases of demonstrated voter fraud and those were left very tellingly blank. So there was nothing at all. What do you think was the ultimate goal of this commission . Was it to prove the explanation the president came up while he lost the popular vote to his rival. I said at the time if you would have found a fraction of the number he was talking about we would have had a problems on our hands. But it seemed to be very evident that the purpose of the commission was to validate his statement, whether theres any evidence to back it up or not. Is that what this endorsement was all about . Absolutely. Republicans have this twopart strategy they win elections when there are fewer voters in the election and then you have the president claiming that the fix was in for democrats in 2016, and this committee was meant to reinforce that idea. Everybody stay with me. Much more ahead on our Breaking News of tonights coverage of elections. Gas, bloating, constipation and diarrhea can start in the colon and may be signs of an imbalance of good bacteria. Only Phillips Colon Health has this unique combination of probiotics. It helps replenish good bacteria. Get fourinone symptom defense. My lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. 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Lets bring in mr. Harry enten. Harry, welcome back to the program. This was a tight race in ohio. The president is bragging about it now, tweeting about it. Was this really good for republicans in. Sure, you win at race and therefore you have an extra incumbent running in the fall. Keep in mind there are about 70 other Congressional Districts that republicans currently hold that are more democratically leading than this one. And democrats only need a neck gain of 23 to take back the house in november. To me its not a good result for republicans when you look at congressional races overall. How important, harry, is support for the president in places like ohio 12 . In the Midterm Election midterms are referendums on the economy. And it was about even with this Approval Rating, and thats where we end up about a 50 50 race. If you look at the polling towards the fall you see that voters who approve of the president s job are overwhelmingly voted for republicans, those who disapprove overwhelmingly voted for democrats. Nationally the disApproval Rating for the president of the United States is far above his Approval Rating and thats why democrats are favored to take back the white house come november. It has been said that democrats are doing better in suburban areas. These races are all about the suburban area but you sttypical do better in urban areas. How important is the divide here moving forward. You saw it tonight in Franklin County which is the urban part of the district danny did very well and other districts which are much more rural he did quite poorly. But if you look at the nation overall the nation overall is much more urban than this particular district is. If you extrapolate out to the nation as a whole democrats will be fighting at much better ground. Weve been talking about ohio, kansas, michigan, missouri, but there are important races going on in washington state. Talk to me about that. Washington state has a system if you remember all the democrats running against the republicans in the primary, if turns out if you look at the votes in past years there was one Congressional District i was really looking at which is the washington 8 district. Republicans want to hold it in the fall, but if you look that the cumulative democratic vote right now it is outpatesing the cumulative republican vote, and that could be a good sign for democrats. Are you seeing Warning Signs in some of the reiss in washington . Big Warning Signs. Im not just seeing it in washington. If you look at other races as well what you see are a number of republican incumbents below 50 . And its very close even in districts where you might not necessarily expect it. If you look for instance at congresswoman rogers, that race is very, very close. Shes obviously a high Ranking Member of the house on the republican side and she is below 50 . If she went down in defeat come the fall, thats a very bad seat for republicans. I say the president has been bragging and tweeting about the win or at least the perceived win they think is happening in ohio. But did his endorsement you think help chris kobach in kansas . If you look at the kansas resu result right now you have a tight race. If you look at the endorsements before kobach was still ahead. That may have in fact held back any positive advance for kobach based upon the trump endorsement. Harry enten, appreciate your time. We have much more on our Election Night coverage straight ahead. But up next rick gates and Paul Manaforts trial cross examined on the witness stand. Were going to see what kind of questions he faced. Lets do this. Ugh were gonna be late, were gonna be late hold on, dont worry, theres another way [siri beep beepa] directions to the greek theater. 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Thank you for coming on. So julia, the defense got their first crack at cross examining rick gates. How did he hold up . Well, vbts were all interpreting this from the outside, but it appears a couple of things happened that are worth repeating here. One is that he was contrite. He addresses the jury, apologizes, says hes trying to make things right. And at no stage during this Cross Examination was the defense able to separate gates from manafort. In other words, the Defense Strategy has got to be gates acted by himself, that he was doing this all on his own. And i think just from the testimony weve seen so far the defense failed in that regard. Manafort is clearly pushing gates or conspiring with gates to do all of these illegalities. In fact theres a liep in one of the documents where manafort says to gates, you told me you were on top of this. Thats the statement from the leader to the worker bee, fix this. I think in that sense the defense did fail to do the one thing they needed to do, which was gates was doing all this illegal stuff on his own. But he was forced to admit an affair and that he had embezzled money from paul manafort. Do you think the defense succeeded in painting gates as a flawed witness . Julia . Yeah, so i think obviously the corruption and the sort of icyness of all these characters is sort of rampant. So its for the jury to decide whether the guy whos trying to come clean now is better or more trustworthy than the guy whos not speaking. And i think that the prosecution sort of, you know, prepared the jury for the bad news about gates. But what we have to remember about gates, and this is true in all these National Security cases is its not like gates is just saying something is theres no corroborating evidence. What gates is doing and hes essentially validating the Documentation Prosecution already has. The emails, the tax forms, the faulty financial dealings. And then remember the five witnesses who have already testified, the book keeper and others in the office saying, yeah, this was all illegal. So im not saying gates is irrelevant, but hes not hes just simply validating the documents, the electronic information and the other witnesses. So so in that sense hes more valid. So michael, rick gates claiming that manafort tried to secure jobs for associates in the trump administration, this trial is really about bank and tax fraud. Is this Testimony Something you expect the prosecution to pursue further . I dont know how far theyll go into that. At this point its really about showing that manafort was trying to kwluz h to use his position. I dont know how far theyll dieg ddig into it. I think julia is right in the sense it was not a good day for the manafort team. Essentially rick gates comes in, he gives his statement, owns up to what hes done. We can talk about an affair or seekia secret money. But his attorneys say he had a great day, michael. Well, thats fake news i guess what im trying to say. Because they didnt have a good day. Its never a good day when you have to come out and say its a good day in court like that. So really gates came in, he stuck to his deal, he was contrite in some things. He knew he was going to have to talk about that, but he was prepped. And theres nothing new the mueller team did not know going in. All this information already came out. The bottom line is he is piecing together and corroborating evidence already in the case. The jury is sitting there thinking, well, why didnt they bring this guy in. And now gates is here, and gates has come in and said, look, i did some stuff wrong here. But im here to tell you i did wrong. But, michael, its tough because gates worked for manafort for 20 years, and so do you think its potentially a mistake for the defense to paint gates as a corrupt liar without even painting manafort with the same brush . Well, i think they probably splattered paint on manafort through their Cross Examination today. And really what do they have . At the end of the day youve got these emails, these statements, the book keepers and accountants that say manafort told them what to do, so what other choice does the defense have . I dont think its a Winning Strategy for them. Ive said this and i have every expectation that manafort is going to be convicted. But they really dont have great facts on their side. The only thing they can kind of do is throw darts at gates and hope they can deflate him somehow. But its hard to change some of the things manafort puts into emails and records. Julia, i heard you say yeah when you said hes going to be convicted. Its his first real chance to show what hes got. How hes doing . It appears to be a very strong case and i think you want to lead with a very strong case. And i want to remind everyone this is trumps campaign chairman and Deputy Campaign chairman. The case is not about trump, and obviously thats the atmospherics. I want to remind people while were talking about the legalities or illegalities that put manafort in debt and sort of drew him to the Trump Campaign money train, he was so in debt baz he knew on the other side of this he might make money. I think from the National Security perspective take a step back. Think how Corruptible Manafort and gates are through this process because theyre getting foreign money to support this lifestyle. They are doing all sorts of illegal things that are pretty wellknown to probably their clients. And so from the perspective of the National Security perspective, these guys are so easily corrupted by a foreign entity, and i think thats where the trump aura and the mueller stuff all is in play here. These guys were, you know, they were just, you know, ripe for a foreign entity to take advantage of them. Listen, thank you both. I appreciate that. Listen, i do want you to stick around. But i want to bring in alice stuart in, because alice, you went to the courtroom. You visited this morning. Give me your impression. It was clear gates was being forthright. He was putting it out on the table. Manafort sat there and he seemed pissed, you know, that everything was being laid out there on the table. And while we spent so much time talking about manafort spending so much on the Ostrich Jacket and now we know gates spent money on a jacket in london. Those are the juicy details, but a lot of today was document after document after document which clearly outlines what they were doing to hide money, to setup Shell Corporations to claim income as loans, and it was all very dirty and underhanded. And i think so far theyve made a very good argument that they broke the law, and i dont know see how the jury can come to any other conclusion. Clearly hes guilty. But the key is we didnt hear a lot about trump, we didnt hear about key things that really directly connect them with the trump organization. They cant really bring that up. They cant bring it up, and the judge was very clear. And the one time gates had the opportunity he said a president ial campaign and were talking about some other people that were sitting in there. They have done a good job of separating it. This looks like two crooks who capitalized on their ability to get clients overseas. And theyre two dirty guys. One is coming clean and the other is not. But what they did bring up today is the bank of cypress, one one of the Russian Oligarchs who bought that property from trump which was questionable because the property was overinflated in price. And our Commerce Secretary wilbur ross took over that bank. And the Bank Of Cyprus is notorious for russian money laundering. So that aspect of it and the connection to our Commerce Secretary and Russian Oligarchs and trump is of significance and shouldnt be ignored. When we come back, how Robert Muellers investigation could be playing with voters. What linda graham warned the president about. Thats next. Sometimes a day at the ballpark is more than just a day at the ballpark. Stadium pa all military members stand and be recognized. Sometimes fans cheer for those who wear a different uniform. No matter where or when you served, tmobile stands ready to serve you. Thats why were providing half off family lines to all military. When you combine ancestrys with its historical records. You could learn youre from ireland donegal, ireland and your ancestor was a fisherman. With blue eyes. Just like you. Begin your journey at ancestry. Com i receive travel rewards. Going new places. oh going out for a bite. Going anytime. Rewarded learn more at theexplorercard. Com pay the price in the midterms. Good advice . Well, no doubt its good advice. I think Lippedy Graham has gone from the most intense trump critic during the primaries, had a bit of a debutante and now hes become close to the president. I think he kind of sees himself as this kind of translator between the hard core protrump world and the never trump world, although i think hes lost a lot of his cred i do think hes tried to be this kind of bridge even though hes gotten awfully close to the president. And i think he used to say that the presidency would be over if for instance he fired mueller or rosenstein. Hes softened that over time i think partly because hes seen American Voters will tolerate anything from the president and hes made a political analysis about maybe trumps presidency wouldnt pea ovbe over now. I agree with ryan that his advice is right if youre risk averse and if youre a normal republican which senator graham is. If youre somewhat a gambler like President Trump is who knows if hell feel too much heat on him. President trump, yes, will face a political problem if he up ends the mueller investigation. He will look guilty. But if you look at his poll numbers hes at 43. 3 in the real clear politics average, like less than a percent below where he was inauguration day. Republicans are behind him, and at this point who is undecided on where they stand on trump at this point. He knows that much. Hes not a deep policy thinker, but he can read a poll. The president asked him about ending the mueller probe, he tweets about it a lot relentlessly. Hes been told not to tweet about it but he cant help himself. Hes like a child thats told dont touch the stove but i touch it anyway because i can. For donald trump the biggest thorn in his side has been this investigation from mueller, and i think to davids point about Linda Grahams position shifting so much or that was ryan its because the trump tact has been lets discredit mueller, discredit the investigation because the facts of the investigation are not on trumps side per se especially with the Trump Tower Meeting and what were finding out. They havent been forthcoming but it Doesnt Matter because theyre going for a political solution here, not a criminal one. And its about to arriving impeach. And its working so far because republicanerize tuning it out, they dont care and that political calculus is working so far for the president. He wants to fire mueller, he wants to fire rosenstein and Jeff Sessions for goodness sakes, but i dont think he really cares what Lindsey Graham thinks. Something is holding him back from doing it. Also theres value for the president in keeping this story out there the way it is. It consolidates republican support. What we know what Lindsey Graham said to the president is only from Lindsey Grahams mouth and who knows what he actually said to the president. Where democrats have to be and why democrats are actually on the Campaign Trail is because theyre actually talking about the administration taking away health care. Theyre talking about, you know, children being put in cages at the borders. Theyre talking about a tax cut going exclusively to wealthy corporation. That actually is working on the Campaign Trail. I think youll see that continuing. The more that donald trump screams about mueller and the russian hoax i think that, you know, he is actually trying to drown out the facts of what theyre but you know what you dont hear about a lot anymore, draining the swamp. Thats the whole idea thats the reason only the best people, right remember only the best people. I want to take a look at some of the folks in the trump orbit with serious legal or ethical troubles. Michael flynn, a former National Security advisor, pled guilty to lying to the fbi. Manaforts former Campaign Chairman on trial for bank and wire fraud among other charges. Rick gates, Deputy Campaign chairman pled guilty to financial fraud and lying to investigator. You have other folks who left the white house after scandals like rob porter who resigned after his exwifes alleged physical abuse, scott pruitt who pled guilty to ethics issues and on and on. So she said republicans Trump Supporters dont care. Im sure traditional Establishment Republicans do care, maybe, maybe not. What happened . This Doesnt Matter . Clearly based on the Approval Numbers amongst his base it Doesnt Matter. Are you surprised by the world that were in i just want you to imagine, but can you imagine if this were the Clinton Administration and all of this was happening . What do you think youd be sitting here saying as a republican . I dont think wed be talking about this if this was happening under the Obama Administration under clinton, if all these people were charged and pleaded guilty . But we would be bringing it up, republicans we would never let this stand if this was going on. Theres another channel that dedicates like hours of their prime time programming still relitigating Hillary Clinton who lost and what the clintons have done since 25 freaking years ago, so theres no way republicans would ever allow this if a fraction of what trumps people have done. We knew about his past with women, about his past with business, we knew about a lot of things he did in the past. At the end of the day even surrounding himself with sketchy people . That is new revelation . Let her finish her thought. The reality is people knew the kind of person he was and the people we surrounded himself and he still won. In my view i voted for him because of his policies, not his tone and tactics and thats why republicans voted for him and they will vote for him again. Yeah, people did know the kind of person he was, they had a sense of what he was. But he said i will hire the best people, well have the best people come in there and make the best decisions. Hes proven hes incapable of acting president ial as its been traditionally defined. He described himself one way, winked and nodded to voters and the people around him have been because if you have 4 economic growth, you have wages going up, you have kavanaugh and gorsuch on the court, you have tax cuts, especially the republicans and the people that voted for President Trump think this is all noise. Yes, politicians in d. C. Do stuff and theyll go through five staffers on that one job and he doesnt care its up around 30 under trump. Unemployment went down around 3 under obama, its down a point under trump. It cant be the economic results. Its that republicans like their guys. You see no hypocrisy and no Double Standard here . No, what im saying is this comes back to that youre taking it literally thing. Im going to do things differently, things are going to be different. The results for the party, what they actually care about is not who was the epa director whos winning and whos losing, right . Thats what this is about. Whos winning and whos losing. The people who are winning are getting a big fat tax cut. The people who are losing are the ones getting their education benefits cut, people not being able to get health care, everybody losing because the federal budget is all going listen, i got to go. When president obama agreed to extend the bush tax cuts for a year, that didnt its a Double Standard. All that moral high ground stuff, economic anxiety stuff, it was all b. S. Total, complete hypocrisy and a Double Standard. Its a terrible standard. When we come back, im going to get answers to this question. Will race be a factor in novembers midterm . Chicken . chicken. Chicken thats right, candace new Chicken Creations from starkist. Buffalo Style Chicken in a pouch bold choice, charlie just tear, eat. Mmmmm. And go try all of my Chicken Creations chicken where were changing withs . Contemporary makeovers. Then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab. Who has the upper hand now . Start winning today. Book now at lq. Com. Keep it comin love. If you keep on eating, well keep it comin. All you can eat riblets and tenders at applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. All right. Will race be a factor in this falls election, and could it work to President Trumps benefit . Back with me, my political experts. I got to ask, tonight, the president held a dinner for ceos of major corporations. Five of them publicly broke rank with the president after the both sides comment about charlottesville. Has everyone moved on with that . Whats happening . I dont think everyone has moved on from charlottesville. I do think race is a factor, because you just have to look at the president s behavior. If the president thought his racist statements, racebaiting was not working for him, i dont think he would do it. But when he comes after lebron james, you, congresswoman waters, Colin Kaepernick and other professional athletes, hes making a calculation that his base is either indefiniiffe to it, or kind of likes it. Does he feel like he can say racist things with no consequence . If youre donald trump, he can. And not only can you say insulting things about lebron james and you, he did it on the heels of ohio. And it appears to be okay when youre donald trump. When you look at 7 of the 8 Special Elections in the cycle have been won by republicans. So it hasnt been a tremendous detriment for republicans coming out to vote. I think it will be a factor for some people, ive talked to farmers about the tariffs, and theyll still vote for trump. At the end of the day, theyll come home to the Republican Party. Well, of course race will be a factor. Because it will be a referendum on the president and the president is a racist. Race will matter. One of the most disappointing things that donald trump has done in his year and a half as president , he has ripped a lot of scabs off of racial wounds in this country, and hes removed the social taboo of being a racist. And hes given certain people permission to say certain things. And that could rebound sadly to his benefit in come circumstances. But i think at the end of the day, history will show that that doesnt you dont get away with that for too long. And i think the key point is, too many people during the campaign in 16 saw Donald Trumps behavior as an act. When he becomes president , hes really not going to be this way. He doesnt really believe it. But if you talk to people in new york, who went through the Central Park Five and the history of donald trump, they tried to warn people, he has a long history of racist behavior. And i think what people have learned is that this actually is much more ingrained. Not only will he be racist, but he has no problem associating with people like that. And i think the one piece is, the only place that could matter more is turnout in urban areas. As harry said before. And also, whether it turns off suburban voters. Go ahead, mike. Race plays a role in every ejecti election. When you talk to democrats and republicans, look at the ohio race we looked at tonight. There are urban and suburban voters, and rural voters. You always do a race breakdown, and line them up with a party. I wish he would go to chicago. His Inaugural Address talked about stopping the carnage. Theyre being killed there at 9 11 level rates. The president has policies to do that, i think he should go to chicago the president doesnt care about chicago. Im giving him my advice. The reason i wanted to hear from you, youre a woman of color in the Republican Party. You still consider yourself a republican. Yes, conservative first. When you see whats happening

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