Robert muellers investigation. Question whether they believe or suspect President Trump committed a crime, slim margin say yes. Evan perez on the kushner story and manu raju on the story today about Campaign Contact with russia and puts new scrutiny on the highest Law Enforcement official in the last tells congress under oath about contact with russia. What did carter page say today . More than 6 1 2 hours he was behind closed doors with House Intelligence Committee and talked about a range of issues. One thing he was asked about, july 2016 trip he took to moscow. Question came, who in the campaign knew about it. He informed the committee under oath that Jeff Sessions, the senator from alabama and top campaign surrogate in fact knew about it. He said he mentioned to him at a private dinner with other people who were involved on the Trump National security team, he told him in carter pages words, in passing about this trip he planned to take to moscow. He said it was not related to the campaign, simply for him to go overseas and deliver a speech overseas in russia. Why this is significant, Jeff Sessions on a number of different occasions has been asked about connections with russia, any contacts he had,ualhad, whether he was aware of anyone working with russia in the campaign, slew of questions on capitol hill, every single time, didnt recall or no didnt happen. Asked in june before senate Intelligence Committee directly by carter page and whether he was aware he had met with russian officials. He said he did not know. Questions whether or not he should have disclosed this meeting, even if just in passing. What is the Justice Department saying about it . Tonight theyre not commenting. Mike conaway, Top Republican on the investigation didnt think it was problematic for Jeff Sessions, didnt see anything sinister here, perhaps understandable he was not aware of this. One source familiar with the meeting said they did have an interaction at that meeting, confirmed that. It occurred toward the end of the meeting when page approached sessions. And page told me that was one and other interaction they ever had in the campaign season, but he did confirm he mentioned he was planning to take this trip next month to moscow. This is on top of renewed scrutiny from members of congress about Jeff Sessions testimony about George Papadopoulos . In court documents, papadopoulos had proposed a meeting between president Vladimir Putin and thencandidate donald trump. At that meeting where papadopoulos made this suggestion, Jeff Sessions was in attendance and were told by source in the room that sessions rejected this call for meeting between putin and trump, saying we should not go there. That raised a number of lawmakers i talked to today, why didnt sessions disclose this in his testimony asked over and over again about russian contacts. Even two senior republicans, Chuck Grassley of iowa, chairs Senate Judiciary committee and john korman, number two in the Overall Senate wanted to learn more about it. Grassley said it was looking into it and courten said worthy area to explore. Democrats going more aggressively after this, saying sessions may need to verify his testimony. Thank you manu. Want to play a tape. Question from senator al franken to Jeff Sessions. You dont believe that surrogates from the Trump Campaign had communications with the russians, is that what youre saying . I did not and im not aware of anybody else that did. And i dont believe it happened. You dont believe it now. I dont believe it now. Bring in panel. Legal analyst, michael zelden, former assistant to robert mueller. Michael, start with you. How big a deal, if what carter page said is true, he told Jeff Sessions this, whether in passing or not, how big a deal that Jeff Sessions in front of three different committees seemed to not recall this or much about russia frankly . This is problematic for sessions. Earlier back and forth with franken, asking about contacts with russia, it was a bad question, wasnt wellformed and answer couldnt stand up to scrutiny as false statement or perjurious, here is specific question, do you believe there are any surrogates that met with russia . Answer was i didnt, i dont know of anyone that did. Thats direct question and answer on which i think false statement claim could arise but more importantly get called back to congress and have to figure out what his answer is, how come he cant remember these key things but anything else that impugns his integrity. Hes 70 years old, could be part of the reason hell say, lot going on, minor mention from guy, carter page, who he didnt know at all. Takes place in larger context of serial lying by Jeff Sessions, attorney general of the United States, by the president of the United States, by the children of the president of the United States, by his campaign manager, by his associates in his business enterprises. What the special prosecutor is now doing, two things, follow the money, follow the lies. Theres an intersection of the 2, were coming to a precipice in this investigation, both in terms of public hearings that were seeing on the hill, but especially in the legal terms that investigation special prosecutor is developing we only see this much but its deadly serious, were at precipice and were going to find out where we go in the coming weeks and months. I keep coming back to the point carl made, what we see is tiny fraction of what mueller and his team have already seen. And in one of the Court Pleadings he said that, papadopoulos pleas he said this is a small part of a larger matter and what were presenting to court today is only a portion of what information has been provided for us. Enough for the court to take the plea, enough facts that the court can say, i find you guilty, but not enough to reveal all of what mueller is doing. To carls point, the indictment and plea, manafort has followed the money, not necessarily money actually connected to collusion investigation but Business Operations generally. Anden in nobody is too small to be indicted for lying to a federal agent. Both ends, big and small and everybody in the middle i guess. Idea that carter page wasnt going to russia in official campaign capacity, a, does the distinction matter here, and b, does it defy credibility . Clearly the russians had interest in him because named like mauna from hefb as a foreign advisory for him, even though never met with candidate trump and hasnt met President Trump. Looking at bigger mosaic. George papadopoulos, carter page, volunteers but in name advisers on a Foreign PolicyAdvisory Board to donald trump. They get to sit in on meetings and go to policy meetings. If youre trying to infiltrate a campaign, you work from the bottomup, whether carter page was aware or papadopoulos, its up to the special counsel and all the rest. But you can look at this picture, there he is at table with donald trump. Hes suggesting, papadopoulos, hey how about a meeting with putin, which sessions shoots down, trump is noncommittal. And you get to see the larger picture here. I cant speak to whether Jeff Sessions he shook carter pages hand after dinner meeting, whether he remembers or didnt, thats issue between the congress and Jeff Sessions to work out, he might have to amend his testimony. But i do think theres another bigger story here. Exactly what the russians were doing in trying to infiltrate this campaign that im sure the special counsel is looking at and investigating. Carl. Serial lying by all the people is about russia, whats happening in terms of an investigation into the undermining of the American Election by a foreign power. Thats what the serial lying is about. Its about a coverup that is attempting to keep us from learning what these people did and what they knew in regard to this election, to their finances, and to what happened generally speaking during the campaign in terms of getting information about Hillary Clinton, about the democrats from the russians. It all comes together under one umbrella. 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Sources tell us that kushner voluntarily turned over documents he had in his possession from the campaign and transition, relating contact with russia. Similar to what he gave to congressional investigators, came as investigators are asking witnesses about kushners role in the firing of james comey. We know before special counsel mueller was appointed in may, fbi had begun looking at kushners failure to disclose russian contacts when he made application, all documents the fbi had in its possession. Why is the special counsel interested in kushners role if any in the comey firing . Were told that investigators asked witnesses about whether kushner played any role in firing of comey. Some seize he was driver of the decision and others he didnt oppose it, something the president had made up his mind about, intent to do it. Sources closer to the white house say based on what they know, kushner is not target of the investigation. How significant is this . Muellers team asking questions about kushner is a sign that investigators are reaching into the inner circle of the president , extending well beyond the 2016 Campaign Actions taken at white house level, highest levels of the white house. White house official tells us muellers teams asking questions about kushner is not a surprise and say he could be on the a list of a lot of people who investors would be asking about. Lawyer for kushner, should be noted, did not comment for this story, and white house also declined to comment. Thanks evan. Before going further on the impact of the news, it is worth looking back at reminder of stories of what went down in the firing of james comey and scramble to justify it. In many ways the genesis of what we see now and will see in weeks ahead. Loss of confidence in the director. May 3rd, six days later President Donald Trump fired fbi director james comey. That much was clear but reason he was fired was anything but. Hours after the firing sean spicer, then communications director, locked himself in his office in the white house and when the media caught up with him, huddled with staff in the bushes on the white house ground. Then went on camera with fox saying the president s firing of comey followed a recommndation from Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein and boss attorney general Jeff Sessions. Said nothing of comeys russia investigation. President made a decision to accept their conclusions and remove director comey. Next day Sarah Sanders stuck to script. President over the next several months lost confidence in director comey and accepted the remgts of Deputy Attorney general to remove james comey from his position. Very next day, a completely different story from the president himself, boldly telling nbc he had made the decision to fire comey on his own, the reason was the russia investigation. What i did is i was going to fire comey, my decision not you had made the decision. I was going to fire comey. When i decided to just do it, i said to myself, you know this russia thing with trump and russia is a madeup story. Sanders was left to clean up the inconsistencies. I went off of the information that i had when i answered your question. Another voice adding to confusion and kont dictions, Vice President mike pence saying the firing was not related to the russia investigation. Let me be clear, that was not what this is about. Then perhaps the strangest twist of the entire saga a day after comeys firing. In the oval office of all places with a russian. It was there that President Trump told Russian Ambassador serg sergey kissly yak that comey was a job and firing him relieved pressure. Back with the panel. How significant is it special counsel is asking about kushners involvement in the firing of comey, also overview of how you see the various tracks of this, Russian Investigation and also financial. Sure. I dont think that asking kushner about his role in the firing of comey necessarily does anything to advance the obstruction of justice claim. Obstruction of justice claim is really on the president and what he did to interfere with the investigation. I think its on the margins relevant to that. Well see whether or not mueller thinks that firing of comey, asking of his National Security team to get out in front of the media on this story, also to ask comey to stand down the investigation, whether he asked flynns investigation to be stood down, all of that stuff mueller has to sort out, then deal with the constitutional question of if the president does something hes constitutionally allowed to do, can that be obstruction of justice or not, thats open question. You think its possible that Michael Flynn has already flipped. Yeah. So in answer to the question you asked, big picture, when you look at Manafort Indictment and youre Michael Flynn, you have to think this is what i did too, probably. Except with turkey. And i have a son in part of my group too. And i see too that under the sentencing guidelines, papadopoulos cooperates, takes sentence from three to five years to zero to six months. If manafort were able to fully cooperate, i dont think hes capable at this point, would take sentence down to four or five years. Powerful incentive to cooperate. Probably thats at play. Would be surprised if flynn wasnt cooperating. Which would be huge, had a pretty close relationship with candidate trump throughout the campaign. Exactly. Just as manafort for a little bit of time, gates for a longer time. Mueller looking at possible witness for collusion case to be made, gates is far more credible and important because he stayed after manafort left. Went through the transition with trump. Hes got a lot more information and more credible witness. Strands that you asked about earlier, i think theres a Financial Group of investigations that mueller is conducting, manafort the first, flynn will be the second. Kushner and his properties, maybe the eb5 visa program, properties in new jersey, reach out to russians for financing of property in new york city. 666 4th avenue. 666. They may have some road back to rome, collusion, but i think they stand as financial crimes investigations. Then you have papadopoulos, carter page, roger stone, all these people and interactions with the russians and whether or not this was designed to get Hillary Clintons emails in october surprise sort of way. Late in the campaign in order to damage her at a time when she couldnt respond to it in time. Would the third string be the obstruction of justice . Exactly. Carl . Also, some of the lawyers involved who know things say that indeed flynn is cooperating. Dont call it flipped, but say he has been cooperating with the investigators. But more, what we see with kushner, he is a focus of muellers investigation in all these areas were talking about. Remember that kushner was running around the world during the transition and during parts of the campaign, looking for money, foreign money, russian money, money where he could find it, to try and get himself out of a bad financial position. Mueller is looking at all of this, trying to put im not saying this information comes from people in mueller investigation, but reporters know a good bit at this point from piecing from various sources together what the broad outlines of what mueller is looking at. It is all three of these areas and hes very far along in terms of what we saw this week. Yet we only know this much. Right. And the thing to add to that is don junior gives a speech back in 08, asked about the financing of their trump empire properties, he said essentially we dont get money from u. S. Banks, we get them from rich russians. They have a financial relationship with the russians that go back a long way, not withstanding president s statements on that are. I think that also informs the investigation. Ethnorussians too, not just people in russia. Do we know thats a question ive been doing a lot of reporting on. I have sources on both sides of this. Good sources who say he was driver of the comey firing. Dont forget he was in bed minister the weekend that the president made up his mind as was adviser steve miller who wrote a memo, and he believed it would be a politically good thing to do and democrats would jump on board, which of course they didnt. Then i have other sources who say in fact he was not a driver of this at all, you heard donald trump say this was my decision, and that in fact he did not oppose it, that Jared Kushner did not oppose it, went along with it, and perhaps he did that because he wanted to please the boss, also his fatherinlaw. So it is a question i think that the special counsel is going to try to get to the bottom of because jareds name comes up in a whole bunch of places. He was on air force one when they had to come up with the statement about what occurred at trump tower meeting that they had to revise a few times. He had had all of these repeated meetings with russians to establish a back channel to russia. During the campaign, he had the fs86 form which had to be filed repeatedly. I think they have a lot of questions they want to ask jared. Sources in the white house say theyre convinced hes not a target of the investigation but a witness. It all remains to be seen. I want to play a clip we just got in, President Trump speaking to washington, d. C. , Radio Station about investigating leaks and this is what he said. Saddest thing is because im president of the United States im not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department, the fbi, doing the kinds of things that i would love to be doing and im very frustrated by it. Hear the president of the United States bemooning the fact he cant be involved in the investigations. Because investigations of him, his family and people around him. Ridiculous statement on its face. But i want to say one thing about this idea of a target of the investigation. Usually you dont become a target of an investigation and get a socalled target letter from the federal government until you have about to be indicted. Right now its no secret that Jared Kushner is the focus of many inquiries by both the Intelligence Community and the fbi. We know that and presumably mueller is coordinator of all that incoming information about Jared Kushner. All of these areas come together often on his portfolio as it were, which is so broad it extends to politics, family, money, all over the board. Thats why hes one point to that. Other area i think that kushner is being inquired of is Cambridge Analytica data operation. Which he had talked about. Thats right. And how does that marry up with social media, russia, troll campaign. Because they seem to have some similarities with respect to ability to target key voters in states you wouldnt have thought they would go to. They had information, i dont know whether its coincidental, whether facebook is unwitting conduit between the two but another area they have to look at. Thank you. Coming up, Jeff Sessions under new scrutiny papadopoulos and testimony under oath. Does he have explaining to do to Senate Judiciary committee . Hear from them next. 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There were numerous meetings and communications between him and Campaign Supervisor and Highranking Campaign official about his contacts with the Russian Foreign ministry. It is pretty surprising the extent to which Jeff Sessions seems to have pled ignorance on anything to do with russia. I would have thought somebody at his level would have people in the room, assistants who might take notes about what happened in any given meeting, particularly on the campaign. And particularly incredible because of the intimacy of the trump team. It was a small team. These advisers were seated around that table with the thenpresident ial candidate and attorney general sessions in a very small group. So the absence of any notes certainly raises any questions, along with lack of recollection. Carter page has always said his trip to russia is unconnected to role in the campaign. First of all questions about his role in the campaign at all, donald trump named hims adviser although carter page said he never med donald trump though he told russians he had. Does it make a difference if the trip really was unconnected to the campaign . Caveat is i find it hard to believe he would have been invited to speak if he didnt have this official role with the campaign. And thats exactly right. Pattern is the same as it was with George Papadopoulos. Russians became aware of their status as Foreign Policy advisers and therefore reached out to them and engaged them, a very familiar tactic of the Russian Foreign ministry and intelligence services. And sought to provide George Papadopoulos with dirt on Hillary Clinton and emails, much as they offered to do later with Jared Kushner and donald trump jr. And paul manafort. So theres a pattern here. Special counsel is working his way up the ladder of criminal liability. And we can see more surprises, we can expect them. And they are likely to include potential charges and also convictions. Against sessions or in general . In general, not speaking about sessions in particular. But there is a moment coming when Jeff Sessions will, i hope, be forced to explain these apparent contra dictions, his saying he was unaware of contact between the Trump Campaign and russian officials which is contradicted by carter page and George Papadopoulos. Also want to ask you about the reporting that special counsel is looking into what role Jared Kushner may have played into firing of james comey. Is that of interest to your committee . Very much because were very interested in the obstruction of justice, within our responsibility. We have oversight, purview, when it comes to the department of justice and fbi. Firing of jim comey is very much of interest to us. And Jared Kushners possible involvement in it. I have said for some time that Jared Kushner should be subpoenaed, donald trump jr. Should be subpoenaed, so should paul manafort, probably claim fifth. But anybody involved in the meeting, obstruction of justice in firing comey. Testify in a public hearing. . All a public hearing under oath. All of them should. Nominee for chief scientist at department of agriculture withdraws, nothing to do with fact he wasnt a scientist but because of the Russian Investigation. House republicans reveal tax plan, pitching as middleclass tax cut and president is calling Big Christmas present. What is in it and will it pass . Next. Accused of obstructing justice to theat the fbinuclear war, and of violating the constitution by taking money from foreign governments and threatening to shut down news organizations that report the truth. If that isnt a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president , then what has our government become . Im tom steyer, and like you, im a citizen who knows its up to us to do something. Its why im funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment. A Republican Congress once impeached a president for far less. Yet today people in congress and his own administration know that this president is a clear and present danger whos mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. And they do nothing. Join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing whats political and start doing whats right. Our country depends on it. This ones below market price and has bluetooth. Same here, but this one has Leather Seats use the cars. Com app to compare price, features and value. Now to what the president says will be one of the great christmas presents. House republicans revealed new tax bill, saying whole purpose is middleclass tax cut, lowers the and does away with some deductions. What does it look like for middleclass americans . Answer to whether or not could be good for bad for middleclass americans could be factor that makes or breaks the plan. Paul ryan earlier today. Can you guarantee that all middleclass taxpayers will see a tax cut . Thats the whole purpose of this. Family of 4, 1,200 tax cut. Going to help People Living paycheck to paycheck. Going to be a gamechanger for the economy. Its a little bit more complicated. Reductions on rates. Boost in Child Tax Credit to help families, nearly double the standard deduction. Positive. But also 300 billion in reductions individual side and about 1 trillion reductions on the corporate side. That latter point matters a lot. Reason theyre doing that is republican belief and stated position that help on the corporate side help boost income for individuals and wages. That will be crucial, sell idea that tax cuts on individual side, lose significant deductions on student loan debt, Mortgage Rate deduction that boost from the economy on the corporate side will help things out. If it doesnt sell, could have problems. If it does, could be in good shape. Most of the republicans havent seen the plan until today. Theyre enthusiastic to have a plan and do something they havent done at all this year, accomplish a major legislative goal. But issues like Mortgage Rate deduction, capping property tax, removing income Tax Deduction altogether, hairy issues. Northeastern republicans from high tax states have stated unequivocally will be against if they dont see changes. But what will win out . Wanting to move forward or in the weeds propositions . Republicans obviously want to move quickly on this. Theyre not hyperspeed is way one described it to me. Staring at reality. Theres a reason this hasnt been done. Interest groups and people that care about deductions you have to get rid of to fund the rest. They want this done in the house and senate by thanksgiving. They want it on the president s desk by christmas. Can they pull that off . Very, very aggressive schedule but according to the speaker, answer is yes. Phil, thanks. Up next, as the russia investigation news breaks, sources tell cnn president is agonizing but he said to the New York Times hes not angry. Speak to author of the art of the deal but how the president deals with this pressure. Duncan just protected his family with a 500,000 Life Insurance policy. How much do you think it cost him . 100 a month . 75 . 50 . Actually, duncan got his 500,000 for under 28 a month. Less than 1 a day his secret . Selectquote. In just minutes a selectquote agent will comparison shop nearly a dozen highly rated Life Insurance companies, and give you a choice of your five best rates. 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Join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing whats political and start doing whats right. Our country depends on it. Jim acosta has some new breaking news in the Russian Investigation. What are you learning . This goes back to the investigation we learned about over the last couple days about George Papadopoulos raising this idea, prospect of a meeting between then candidate trump and russian president putin, at that National SecurityAdvisory Board meeting in march of 2016. We had only heard from sources up until now. One of the attendees in the room, a former National Security official j. D. Gordon. If youre looking at this picture on screen theres George Papadopoulos in the middle, donald trump on the ends. Right in between Jeff Sessions and papadopoulos is j. D. Gordon. He now says to us on the record that then candidate trump heard him out, referring to George Papadopoulos, then candidate trump heard out papadopouloss pitch about meeting with Vladimir Putin. Weve been reporting that senator sessions and now attorney general sessions knocked down the idea. And, of course, all of this is a very big interest to the special councils office, they want to know what the president s reaction was in the room that day. And according to j. D. Gordon, at the very least, he heard him out. Were learning more before how President Trump himself is reacting. The president was fuming, agonizing over the news of special council muellers indictments. Then the president spoke to the New York Times and said hes not personally under investigation, and he was not angry at anybody. Joining me now is tony is warts, contributor to the dangerous case of donald trump, a new book. I want to play something the president said on a local Radio Station in washington. Lets listen. The saddest thing, because im the president of the United States, im not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department, the fbi im not supposed to be doing the things id love to be doing. Im very frustrated by that. Thats scary, hed like to be in charge of everything. Hed like to not make a distinction of those agencies, hed like to be the emperors have full control over all of them, thats what he wants. The last time you were on the program, you talked about how the president and how donald trump in his past focuses in the short term to get through it goes into a survival mode. Can you explain that . Its what hes in right now, its ludicrous to think that he is as he told maggie haber does man that hes not angry at anyone. Hes angry at everyone right now, i guarantee you. If youre sitting in that white house you feel it. Theres nothing donald trump feels more intolerable than to feel weak, potentially humiliated. Here comes mueller indicts these three people. Sets trumps teeth on edge that its coming toward him. This is a tsunami. To use a morell vant description, a hurricane, a stage 4, stage 5 hurricane moving toward him at a slow pace. Its coming toward him. What happens to him is rather than feeling the intolerable weakness or vulnerability he moves into aggressiveness and goes after people, thats what youre seeing now. Where does that come from, the roy kohn school he was taught from. I think he was taught it a long time before roy kohn. His father taught him that from a very early age. Strike back and strike back hard. Thats what his father did. And for sure, that was roy kohns style, were going to see that more and more now as more and more revelaions i dont know if there will be indictments, i suspect there. More and more news from mueller theres a level despite his desire not to feel it, trump is very, very, very anxious that muellers going to get him. Ive said before, and ill say it again, i believe he will. Interestingly, i dont know that mueller will get trump for russia. Hes going to get a ton of people around him what hes got is 40 years of trumps actions in the marketplace. Thats a lot for him to be looking into. In terms of past litigation. Im wondering if his strategy can sort of be an indicator of how he deals with an ongoing investigation. Is theres some debate how he should deal with the investigation. The last thing he wants to do is accept this investigation is continuing. He hates that and would love to fire mueller now, tomorrow. I believe he will. And i believe he will do it on an impulse in spite of whatever voices may be telling him, thats a dangerous thing to do. I think we will see another saturday night massacre. He does continue to say hes not under investigation. Hes trying to thread a needle. Its possible trump is not culpable around anything related to russia. What hes worried about is that there is a lot of other stuff he is culpable for. The reporting that Jared Kushner is now certainly of interest to mueller, Jared Kushner has given over documents, coming that close to be in Donald Trumps family, thats got to be extremely difficult. Whats fascinating is and i said this six months ago, there was going to come a time when trump in his relentless lack of loyalty was going to turn against his own family members. Well, hes done it. We heard yesterday, Gabrielle Sherman reported he went in and went after Jared Kushner, hes blaming him for getting rid of comey. I can see him as he isolates himself and hes looking for enemies, i can see him going after the blood members of his family. Im waiting for donald jr. , for eric. I think ivanka would be the last to go. Tony schwartz, thanks for being with us. The breaking news that touches the president s inner circle. Well get into that when we continue. I think its terrific. Your kids go to college and you start trading. Yeah, 5 years already. 5 years, hmm. 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