And we experienced turbulence coming in and when we landed a pretty hard landing and the selfperceived back of the plane starts fish tails and you could feel the plane do things that wasnt straight on the run way like a normal landing would go. The plane continues to proceed down the runway in that way sorry im being moved on the tarmac right now. And then we came to a very, very, sort of quick and harsh halt there on the runway. And everyone is fine on the airplane. There are no injuries. Governor pence and his staff are fine. And there are a lot of rescue crews here. Im not sure if you are seeing the poll shoot. Yes we are. Reporter there appear to be police and fire rescue here. And there is significant damage to the run way here as well. It looks like you can see divots where the wheels of the plane
dug into the runway and damaged the runway. They are going to have to do reconstruction for this part of the runway. Everyone is fine but liz, how long from the moment you touched down and started to feel the tail of the aircraft moving oddly . How long did it last for until you came to a complete stop . Reporter it was probably 20 or 30 seconds. It wasnt that long. But it was long enough to feel that this is not a straight, smooth landing on the runway. And judging by what im seeing here on the runway, which is it looks like cement thats been torn up by the wheels of the plane, you can see that the wheels and the plane moved off the run what before we slammed to a halt. And just to be clear new york city injuries from anyone that you know of on the plane. Reporter correct. Yes. Absolutely no injuries and in fact Governor Pence immediately came back once it was fully stopped and made sure that everybody, including the press was okay. And he said that he saw mud on his window up at the front of the airplane. At that point we could definitely tell we were off the runway. We werent exactly sure in the back what we were seeing out the windows. And so he came back and said that he saw that we were you have to runway. So the plane itself to your understanding stopped off the side of a runway in grass or in mud. Yes. Exactly. The plane is off the runway, yes. Do you know how far off the runway it is . Let me look. Were still here. Were getting moved out of the area. If you got to leave you got to leave. Dont worry about it. The plane is in the grass. One of the wheels is fully in the grass. One of the wheels is completely in actually the entire plane is on the grass at the tarmac
the Reverse Thrust we probably used in excess. You know, Reverse Thrust is used on most planes but it appears to that they went into a skid situation that took them off the runway just looking at the pictures. Les this, may be a dumb question but having flown into laguardia throughout my life, there is water all around and in some it seems like at least to my memory in some of the landings you are flying over water in the last minute when the runway is right there, right . Reporter you are referring to landing in runway two to the southwest. You land on part of the bay. Rikers island is on the righthand side. Yeah. Reporter but that is hard for me to tell if that was the runway they were landing on. That is not really a factor. The surface beneath the wings
makes no real difference. The it is surface beneath the wheels that makes the difference, you know, in the cockpit we would be judging what type of situation that we have. We might have got breaking Action Reports. There were probably good breaking Action Reports why this happened. You know, at this point it is hard to say. It is possible it could have been a Mechanical Failure Anderson with a Reverse Thrust not being deployed appropriately and giving an asymmetrical thrust which would have forced it off the runway possibly. It is hard to say at this point. We dont need to speculate in that regard. Were certainly just glad everyone is okay. Were getting word donald trump has called Governor Pence and has expressed relief that everybody is going okay. Les, in a situation like this our producer was saying that looks like some of the runway is torn up. Again, may be a dumb question. But is that something wheels of an aircraft would actually do to a run way. Absolutely. It looks like they might have blown only tires, which could be a failure of the antiskid system, which is supposed to prevent that. But i think were seeing Governor Pence there right now. Yeah. Continue, sorry continue les. Reporter yeah its possible if you blew out some tires,arounds, you are basically on the wheel hubs that could tear up the concrete like that. But once the airplane goes into the grass, you know, it is a tough situation. And it really could tear up indefinitely. Governor pence thanking some of the firefighters outside of the aircraft. Our producer was saying seems to be fully off the grass the plane. And joined on the phone,
michaels, y miles. You know this airport well. How surprising is this to you . Reporter anderson, this is varsity flying. You Dont Go Into Laguardia in a 737 without being on your toes and in a driving rain you really wanted to make sure you get everything just right. Miles, im being told there is a ground stop now at laguardia for flights. So again, sorry, continue miles. Reporter as would be suspected in this case. Expected. That broken concrete you have been talking about anderson is engineered Material Arrester System which is installed at laguardia and o a few other airports that i i would put in the same varsity category. Midway being one o ever them. Short runways with fast aircraft coming in. And it is designed to break apart on the weight of the landing gear. And stops the aircraft from going any further. If it were not there in this case it is very likely this aircraft would be in the east river and that would be an entirely different situation. So it worked. And that is a good thing and that is a good thing for everybody on board there. How does that actually work . How does that kind of a runway work . Reporter basically it is a thin veneer of concrete. And it is just like going into, you know, quick sand, if you will. It is a break away concrete that collapses under the weight of the aircraft. And stops it. It is an aarrester system. And very useful in this case certainly prevented injuries and maybe saved some lives. O who knows. I want to bring in our safety analyst david soucie. And i think in some of those shots you can actually in the background see some of the broken up runway. The broken up concrete. David, again, i guess the obvious question is what do you
make of this . How surprised are you . Reporter very surprising as miles said this is a varsity runway. Something you just dont fly into if you dont know what you are doing. So obviously something went wrong to make him go through that. As miles said there is also a break away. What happens there is it is designed, kind of like foaming the runway. A way to slow down the aircraft. It is something they could have used in the Train Accidentes of late as well to slow it down as it goes forward. So it is a Safety Mechanism to say the Airplane Loses control in anyway, it stops the aircraft before it goes off into the runway, turns off the runway, turns over, rolls over, anything long that nature. And those were put in in designs in airports about 20 years ago in denver actually an aircraft had come off the runway and slid off and didnt stop and continued and rolled over and got into some houses alongside the runway. So some of that Safety Improvement as we see now actually is very effective. And we have people walking away without losing lives. Our producer liz landers is still with us. Shes actually she was on the flight. She is on the runway. I believe shes still on the runway. Liz do you know which runway you were flying into . Liz . Reporter i do not know that right now. I can try to figure that out for you guys. But just to give you an update, Governor Pence is now off the airplane and i can see him on the tarmac speaking with Law Enforcement officers. There is a lot of police and Fire Department presence here. I would say i see probably one two three four i see four Fire Department trucks and lots of other vehicles right now. And liz, were a also i know you cant tell with the cameras on. We are also looking at the
Governor Pence shaking hands. Thats actually recorded just minutes ago. Him shaking hands with firefighters after he got off the aircraft. Soliz, for those viewers just joining us. Could you describe what you felt . First there had been a delay so you knew it was bad weather coming in. But explain what you felt when you realized something as you started to land. So like young say we knew it was going to be in bad weather. We had been in iowa earlier today chain iampaigning. And so we came into laguardia. You could feel the turbulence. Low clouds. Couldnt see much out the windows. And as soon as we landed on the runway here, it was a pretty hard landing. And then you could feel the plane fishtailing which is where the governor and you
could feel the Plane Fish Tailing in the back and then probably after 20 or 30 seconds they slammed on the brakes of the airplane and we all sort of sat there in silence and were wondering what was going on. Member of the Secret Service came back and said that there was no structural damage to the airplane that but that we were off the runway. And at that point Governor Pence came back to make sure that everybody was okay. He just checked in with the press and said are you guys doing okay . He said there was mud on his window. That indicated to us that we had run off the runway. And as i sort of told you a minute ago, the plane is fully off the tarmac. And it is in the grass here. It looks like the tarmac and the concrete was pretty dug up and pretty badly damaged upon landing. And you said it felt like it was skidding from the rear of
the aircraft like the rear of the aircraft was kind of moving towards the front. It felt like the back of the airplane was fish tailing and didnt have as much control, i guess as the front of the airplane did. And you could tell it just was not a straight landing on a straight runway. Were also joined by our safety analyst david soucie. David, why would the rear of the aircraft move like that and not the front . Well because of the mass a whats happening as far as the slowing. If you had a flat tire in the front then the aircraft in the back is going to try to accelerate past it. Like a jack knifing of a truck. Also the front landing clear could have collapsed driving it down and giving you the feeling that the back is trying to out run the front. Were also joined by mary
schialvo for the department of transportation. Mary, what happens now in a case like this . Reporter well it falls on the purview of the National Transportation safety board. And they have a lot of experience with accidents like this. Everything from there was one in little rock American Airlines and what happens when the wheels, when they do not get good traction with the runway when there is a layer of water on it it is very much like hydroplaning with your car. There is a scrubbing action between the wheels and runway and sometimes it leaves characteristic marks so the ntsb will investigate. Fortunately known was hurt bthe will have to come to the airport and look at it before they move the plane. Ao i will slow everything down in new york. And laguardia has had this very thing happen before with i think southwest not long ago and other aircraft. Soo they are accustomed to doing these investigations at laguardia. So it would an ntsb investigation. And were getting a good look
at the aircraft. Weve seen some of that runway. Really does look like its been torn up. Yes it does anderson. It is most likely one ray 13. That signifies the compass heading. Meaning they were headed off to the southeast. The wind was coming out of that direction, pretty gusty. And what you are looking at is the aircraft on the cusp of flushing bay. And if it werent for those arresters the break away material there is a good clans that aircraft would be there. One thing that would be interesting to understand here is if the trust reversers were working. That sense of the engine sort of operating in reverse. And that is essentially a mechanical device that turns the thrust in the opposite direction to slow the aircraft down. Were they using the brakes or
just the Thrust Reversers or if the Thrust Reversers were deployed they work completely symmetrically which is important in all this. David soucie, our safety analyst. And planes take off and lane in rain seems like all the time. Why would tonight be different . Is it because the temperature was low . Well kit. It can actually get into a situation where it create this is ice barrier. But it is more about hydroplaning than it is ice anderson. Miles had said. I was looking at the photographs about the thrust reversal deployment. It appears as though the right Thrust Reverser is still diploid which is uncharacteristic so it could be possibly an unparalleled Thrust Reverse which could put planes off. In chicago i experienced that once before in an accident i did where one of the Thrust Reversers comes out and Bufferibufferin Burns out a break. But the brakes are all the
option you have when it starts to pull off one side. So that can be complicated when you have water on the runway. Because it comes a hydroplane. And your brakes arent nearly as effective if that water is lifting your tires up off of the runway. And liz, liz landers, our producer who was on board the aircraft. Is Governor Pence still there . Looked like we had a camera in a car. I wonder if thafrs him leaving. Reporter yes thats right. We are now leaving the airport right now. The governor is going to his hotel. I spoke with his press secretary. He said that the fundraiser he was supposed to be having in new york tonight has been called off, understandably so and hell be going to his hotel, probably to relax and sort of unwind with his family there tonight. Tomorrow Everything Else is on schedule. The governor will be be going to events in pennsylvania and later
in the afternoon in North Carolina. This has got to be a really kind of tricky situation for the Secret Service. If they are on the aircraft realizing something is going wrong with the aircraft. Obviously their job is to protect to protect the Vice President , to protect his family to protect the nominee. But i assume they they are strapped in as well. They cant get up either. Absolutely. As soon as we landed. Like i said the plain came to a really kind of short halt there. And the Secret Service immediately popped out of their seats once the airplane had come to a complete stop. Im sure they could tell that something had gone wrong with the landing so they popped up and were checking on the governor and then they came back. It looks like woucht the secret Service Agents spoke with the pilot. Because one of the agents came back and said there is no structural damage. And there is a rescue team on
the way. So at that point we knew we had come off the runway and that this would not be your regular deplaning that we do. And liz, just in terms of getting off the aircraft, was a chute deployed . Or did they bring stairs . They brought stairs. They were able to bring stairs to the back of the airplane. We deplaned after the Secret Service. The Secret Service got off the plane first in the back and then the press gathered our gear and belongs and scrambled off the back of the plane. And then the governor and his staff came off after that. Liz, it is a little hard to tell from the picture. Is the bay in front of the plane . Or is it the highway . We see lights but i cant tell if there is a body of water in front of those lights. Reporter i was not able to see whether we were on water there or not. Miles, based on where you think this was, can you tell . Reporter well it is hard to see. I see what you are saying about the traffic but i think there might be a body of water in between. As you well know with laguardia, it is kind of there is water kind of all around it. And most likely that is the end of runway onethree. Which would put it towards flushing bay, sort of at the southeast corner of the airport. And pretty much any runway you go into there you are facing water at the end. And that is why that material is installed there. This is not a lot of Overrun Space there. You know, you go to a place like dallas or atlanta there is a lot of buffer zones between the runway and traffic or whatever. In this case, laguardia is you know, it is basically a stationary aircraft carrier. It is sitting there on the water and there is not a lot of i over run spasmce. And that is there is this material so crucial in this case to keep the aircraft from getting in the water and preventing a devastating situation. How long would they keep an Airport Ground Stop going for . And the ground stop because of specifically what happened with this aircraft . There are other runways, do they just need to check all the runways . Check all the conditions . Reporter im sorry i didnt hear the very first part of the question. The question is how long would the arptd have a ground stop . And is is the reason simply to investigate what happened with this aircraft or to check all runways and conditions . Two fold. The first part is is there anything on that runway. They shut down that runway. The ground stop has to do with the fact that faa has nine responsibilities during an accident and that is to ensure there is not something wrong with the facilities themselves o. So that is the first thing they will check and make sure nothing going on or make sure nothing on the runway or damage
to the runway or maybe there was someone who intentionally damaged the runway. That needs to all be determined and inspect the rest of the airport, runways and taxi ways and make sure there is nothing else going on than just this one accident. And david, obviously when it snows out they clear the runway of snow. When it is raining do they go around the Airport Clearing The any water built up . Or does that sort of naturally drain off a runway . It is not natural but they do design it for that. And they design it for very high rainfall to be able to get the rain off the airport immediately. But there are also tests that are done to make sure that the runways are prepared and they have a truck they can drive out and check whether the ice for example is causing a runway to be non responsive as far as braking goes. So you have a Braking Reading that can tell you the activity of the aircraft and they will do that occasionally in Super Heavy Rainfall but this i dont think would have qualified for that. And miles, they would reroute planes to what . To newark . To jfk . Yeah. If the Runway Braking Action were not satisfactory, no sane pilot would come in in this situation with a 737. But as the dynamic situation. And you can make a call on few minutes on final to go and things can change. And these runways are in fact engineered to shed water. They have got kind of a turtle back to them and they have grooves in them. All of it is designed to channel water off the runway to the edge. And anybody whos driven a car has occasionally gone through a puddle, hydroplaned and no one what it is all about. You can imagine the aircraft coming in and wheels hitting and getting no traction whatsoever. The Thrust Reverses can help in that situation but did they do their job exactly right . Everything has to work just perfectly at laguardia on a good day. On a bad day you really cant. There is just no margin for error. And david soucie, how long would they keep the aircraft in the position that its in as part of the investigation . Or is there a premium put on getting that aircraft, moving it off so they can get that runway working again. Well first of all it is a matter of getting the people off and away in the aircraft. Which they have already done it appears. Second looks like they just turned off the lights on the aircraft inside. Right. The second is securing the aircraft and area. Then they have to investigate. They have to figure what happened as much as can on sight site. They continue to want to disturb any evidence. And that is priority. I kept an airport down in hawaii when pan airlines had a very similar accident. The brakes were locked up and Didnt Release so the aircraft pulled off to the left side. It was a 747. We had that airport closed for
more than two days. Although we could have moved it. We kept it down for go days in hawaii which is a big deal. You can imagine how many people were upset about that. In oahu. Not too popular. Not at all for sure. So you do what you have to do to make sure you are not destroying evidence and trying to figure out what happened. Because the utmost important thing is to make sure it doesnt happen. So if there is something you can learn from it that is the First Priority as long as everybody else is off the aircraft and safe. Second priority is clearing the airport. And for those just joining us, no reports of any injuries who was on board the Vice President ial nominees plane. For the republican party. It has left the airport with the press corps who was olli also on the plane. The governor is heading to his hotel. There was a Fundraising Event tonight in new york. Thats been canceled but apparently his schedule will
resume tomorrow. I want to bring in our political director. How disruptive is Something Like this . Well, what you just said is the most disruptive part which is the fundraiser got canceled. Which is part of mike pences core mission right now because donald trump is no longer doing fundraisers personally. Neither is Hillary Clinton. But anderson, you got to remember what liz landers and her colleagues and the pence staffs life has been like for the last couple of months. They move in this bubble. Motorcade to plane, next rally, back again. This is a jolt obviously because it is so unusual for Something Like this to halftime you saw that donald trump and Kellyanne Conway the Campaign Manager immediately called mike pence to check in to make sure everything is okay. And as you said the best news is that there were no injuries. So up ending a Vice President ial nominees scheduled is no easy thing. So whether or not that fundraiser gets rescheduled or not. And we know hes heading to
pennsylvania next. Depending how long this investigation is with the plane, will this plane be able to move mike pence, his Secret Service and the press corps tomorrow first thing to pennsylvania . If not they need to deal with that. And at this stage of the race how important is one fundraiser on one night in new york . How much . Potentially a couple Million Dollars . I dont know what the total the haul he was going to take in tonight. Obviously the whole reason he was here tonight was primely to attend that fundraiser. Now his schedule t schedule of everybody on republican and democrat is now very tightly orchestrated. They are in a tough battle. They are critical Battleground States that were going to look at later on. The map is changing for the electoral, the path to 270 electoral votes so this thing is scheduled by the hour. Yes but i would say by the quarter hour really. And because Hillary Clinton and donald trump have stood down on personally attending fundraisers from here on out and just focus on the campaign travel. Tim kaine and mike pence are still out there trying. Because remember they didnt take matching funds. They are raising money all the way through november 8th to try to spend, get on the air, make sure they have the ground game in place. They still need to bring that cash . Its 8 30 here on the east coast. I want to bring in liz landers to just bring you up to date on what has happened. The plane that Governor Pence was on coming to a fundraiser in new york skidded off the runway at laguardia airport. Theres been bad weather all day. It is and you see the plane now in that video from moments ago. Its ended up in the grass off the runway. Our producer Liz Lands Are was on board the aircraft when it happened. For our viewers again at the half hour mark just explain. You knew coming into new york there was bad weather. You know there had been issues on the ground. It was delayed as it was. Where were you going tonight and then wlapd . So we were coming from iowa earlier today. Governor pence had a rally in fort dodge. We actually had about an hour long delay sitting on the tarmac in iowa and he threw the football around because there was enough time that we could get off the plane there. And then we reboarded and flew here to new york city. We were flying to laguardia airport. And the governor was supposed to have a fundraiser scheduled around 6 30, 7 00 tonight in downtown manhattan. And when we came in, you could feel turbulence. It was not it was not smooth descent into new york. Hit the runway pretty hard and the plane proceeded down the runway for 20 or 30 seconds and the plane was not in control on the runway. It felt like the back of the plane, which is where the thrust is, sort of fishtailing, like
maybe the back wheels not working. Im not sure. But it did nod feel like a smooth straight landing and after 20 or 30 seconds the plane came to a bankrupt halt. And Governor Pence came back after the plane stopped and made sure everybody was okay and he said there was mud on his window. And upon Deplaning The Press saw that the plane ran completely off of the runway there. And liz what was the event tonight that the governor was going to . I know it was a fundraiser. Any idea how much it was going to mean for the campaign . And kuhn whdo You Know What his schedule is tomorrow . Reporter i dont have any details on the fundraiser tonight other than it was going to be another closed door fundraiser. And hes been continuing to fundraise. He had a fundraiser yesterday in utah. A small group of people. And i think this is probably going to be another small event in manhattan today. This evening. And tonight excuse me. Tomorrow his schedule according to his advisors who i spoke to on the tarmac there remains the same. Hes scheduled to go to of pennsylvania where he has a rally. And then later on to North Carolina. For an evening event. And right now his schedule remains the same and the governors fundraiser was called off tonight and hes going back to the hotel with his family in new york. And we should point out that donald trump is in ohio. The campaign of course obviously continues. There he is right now speaking in ohio. We know that he called the Governor Pence shortly after the incident and expressed his relief that everybody is fine that there were no injuries. Our political director David Chalian is also joining us. Such an interesting juxtaposition on the lefthand side the governors plane off in
the grass off the runway at laguardia. And yet the politics have to continue. No doubt. Were only 12 days away anderson. Especially since everybody is okay. If there were injuries or anything like that maybe this would not have happened this way but thankfully erveryone is oka. But yeah dramatically different evenings for the republican ticket. And you can hear as ms. Lander says the aides of mike pence say All Systems Go for tomorrow. Well see if that is possible or how they move around. Moving around the candidate t press corps, the Secret Service is a big operation. It is logistically quite challenge. So how they do that in light of the fact their plane looks out of commission at the moment is worth noting as well. And in terms of the investigation, mary schiavo,
that can take how long . David soucie . The outside investigation wont take too long at all with this. But then after that the find out what happened. To figure out if it is mechanical of o some kind and then interviews and investigation like this at least on site would only take a day or two. But then after the faa will tell you it is up to two years. But in this type of thing it could take more than a month twor unless there is something very different about it. It is just a reminder. P, you know, we all take flying at this point for granted. It just seems like nothing taking off in the rain, landing in the rain. This is just a reminder everythings got to go right. There is a lot of things that can go wrong and it goes wrong very very quickly. It does especially at an airport like this anderson. 7,000 feet of runway is not a lot of margin for error. With obviously no Overrun Space. Fortunately they have engineered a solution here and that aircraft is not in the water. But we do all take it for grant. And i got to tell you on those dark, stormy nights in the front flying or in the back im paying very close attention to how things are going. Because aviation is very unforgiving of even the smallest of errors in a situation like this. Yeah. Really just a reminder of the respect we should all keep in mind for all those who work in aviation. The pilots, flight attendants. Who makes flying as safe as it is in this country. Were going to take a short break. Coverage of this and also a lot of politics talk about in polling and around the states. The race is getting tightener a number of states. More ahead ee everyone. I just wish it had been for a better reason. Me, too, but the eulogy that franks daughter gave was beautiful. I just feel bad knowing they struggled to pay for the funeral, especially without Life Insurance. I wish they wouldve let us help. But, it did make me think, though. About what . Well, that i could leave you in the same situation. I dont have Life Insurance, either. If something were to happen to me tomorrow, how are you pay for my funeral . Or my other bills . Nothings gonna happen to you tomorrow. You dont know that. I made a promise to always take care of you kids. Without Life Insurance, im not keeping it. Besides, i already looked into it and between my budget and health, well. You should call massmutual. They have a new policy called guaranteed acceptance Life Insurance. I got covered with one call, and it was an affordable option for reliable coverage. What do you think, mom . I think its time to make sure i keep that promise. If youre age 5075, its easier than ever to get reliable coverage at an affordable price. Call massmutual today for guaranteed
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where Hillary Clinton was today. Shes showing a four point edge. 4743 . This is where she was with Michelle Obama. This is the state they want to recreate the Obama Commission in. She looks to have an edge. Here is one of the states that might be acting downright blue. Weve not seen Georgia Go Democratic since bill clintons race. He wasnt even able to hold it in his reelect. And can Clinton Campaign has not yet committed surrogate travel. Hillary clinton is not going there yet. We dont a see a ton of spending going on in georgia. The Clinton Campaign is not treating that like a really winnable race for them. And then iowa, which we also have leaning towards donald trump, a dead heat. I was just looking at early voting numbers there and Hillary Clinton does have an edge, democrats have an edge in terms of Return Ballots but it is not as big of app edge as barack
obama at this point years ago. Good news for the Clinton Campaign but also important good news for the trump campaign, particularly in florida and nova. Without a doubt. Lets bring in the rest of the panel. Van jones is with us. David chalian. Trump supporters Kayleigh Mcenany and andre bower. So kayleigh, you see thats got to be good news for you, nevada and florida in particular. Absolutely. What it shows me is that there is some momentum coming in trumps direction. And i think that is because, you know, we woke up monday to news about obamacare premiums hiking. We wake up today to news of wikileaks. More Clinton Krumgs or what appears to be clinton corruption with the foundation. Finally some of these things that andre and i have been talking about are kind of breaking through the news cycle
because trumps not saying anything that is stepping on his message. Hes giving it Breathing Room to get out there. This momentum is important and if donald trump can stay on message and emphasize things coming out i think he can move that momentum to the point of winning the election. Carlos, do you believe nevada and florida are tightening because of the drip drip of wikileaks and other things like shes talking about . I think shes right that theres been a shift in conversation what. Shes pointing to is the early voting and what kayleigh and andre would tell you is there are a little worried about the 7 or 8 million votes cast so far. Because in many states hibbert is doing better than barack obama in 2012 did. And in North Carolina and arizona, places you normally would have seen meaningful republican lead there is iegt a slight democratic lead or narrow are republican gap. Andre are you worried . Lot of volatility there but i read today that in fact the republicans have turned out more people to vote early than the democrats hat. A substantial margin in florida. So that is good news if you are pulling for trump but again all along i talked about brexit and how people showed up and took their country back. And i think you are going to see the same folks that dont normally get out and vote. They are not showing it on polls. I got in a Congress Race this same way. Popping everybody. I won 13 ways but in the runoff i got beat because we only polled people that 140ed up the first time and the whole new group of folks came out in the runoff. That is whats going to happen. Do where he have data on polling whos actually coming out. The early voting. Their votes arent counted until election day but we can tell in some states where it is by Party Breakdown that democrats do van edge in early and absentee vote. Whats most important is we look at state by state and see are they Overapproximate Mperformin or under performing what obama and romney did in 2012. It is important to remember as we talk about states tightening
more. Momentum that kayleigh is talking about. It is stale very daunting map for donald trump. We cant forget the past to 270, as i showed he has to sweep every Battleground State and then so a little bit to in order to get to 270. Van are you worried . Im sorry, what did you say . [ laughter ] no im not particularly worried though i will say this. If it is not zero percent chance, it is a chance. And i think andre is right. There is i was just in pennsylvania. I was in indiana. I was talking to a lot of red state voters. A lot of trump voters. And there are people who feel like this is do or die for their country. And when you have that level of passion. Whether we agree with it or not. People will do extraordinary things. And so it is not 0 chance, which means there is a chance. So i think democrats should be less happy. Less complacent and im struggling to get there. Do you really believe these polls . Because andre is bringing up
brexit. Those polls showed they werent going to vote break away. I think that is a false reality there with the brexit. You think u. S. Polls are better than the british polls . Well it is just different. Uk and u. S. Are two different electorally it is two different. Uk is majority white. We are much more diverse country and i mean there is just so many things so you have confidence in the polls showing clinton. Well here and what i want to say. Florida and the two states that were talk about. Florida, public polling unfortunately misses the demographics where African American numbers skyrocketed and latino and caribbean as well. The early voting in florida latinos are voting at high record numbers and whats going to decide this race is going to be the i4 corridor. Early voting i should say. I4 corridor and puerto ricaric. Donald trump. I think that is the kind of the breakdown of florida. Nevada on the other side is at Voter Registration for democrats we are at 90,000 which is at par with 2012. And also another advantage is the latino vote a well. We got to take a break. I want to thank everybody on the panel. Michelle obamas groundbreaking role. One of Hillary Clintons most potent surrogates no doubt about it. Well show you what happened on the road today. Z im here in bristol, virginia. And now. Im in bristol, tennessee. On this side of the road is virginia. And on this side its tennessee. No matter which state in the country you live in, you could save hundreds on Car Insurance by switching to geico. Look, im in virginia. Im in tennessee. Virginia. Tennessee. And now im in virginessee. See how much you could save on Car Insurance. Or am i in tennaginia . Hmmm. What a night, what a day. No matter your politics, safe to say Mshl Msichelle obama knows make a speech. No one is a better advocate than the current first lady. Until today they have not shared the stage together. That changed this afternoon in North Carolina and so did american political history. Michelle obama is making the case for Clinton Clinton but tonight shes making it with her. Thats right, hillary doesnt play. She has more experience and
exposure, more than ba rack, more than bill, so she is ready to be Commander In Chief in day one and yes she happens to be a woman. For the first time a first laid ye and a former one on stage together, Rallying Democrats in North Carolina. Seriously is there anyone more inspiring than Michelle Obama . Reporter a first lady tag team going hard after trmp trmp. We want a president who values and honors women who teaches our daughters and sons that full are equal human beings worthy, deserving of love and respect. We want a president who takes this job seriously and has the temperaments and maturity to do it well. The Clinton Campaign calls her their not so secret clinton. No one knows more about whats at stake in this election than our first lady. Reporter 16 years ago in the closing month of mrs. Clintons time as first lady she was running for senate in new york. Mrs. Obama has no interest being on the ballot or ever but she is content on protecting the obama legacy. If hillary doesnt win that election, that will be on us. It will be because we did not stand with her. Do not let yourself get tired for frustrated or discouraged by the negativity of this election. As you are out there working your hearts out for my girl reporter clinton is hoping the popularity of both obamas
rubs off. The president s Approval Rating and 54 believe things in the country are going well. The Clinton Campaigns new Balancing Act projecting confidence and warding off complacency, a cnn poll of polls an average of the five latest National Surveys shows clinton with a sixpoint edge over trump. Tonight the campaign bracing for hacked emails. After the New York Times first reported clintons private email server in march 2015, john podesta sounded the alarm within hours. Did you have any of the depth of this story . He replied, nope, we brought up the existence of emails in research this summer but were told everything was taken care of. Since then clinton and her campaign have tried to downplay it, yet confidants privately knew it was a problem as a former aide made clear last year, do we know who told
hillary she could use a private email,s that has person been drawn and quartered . Jeff zelaney joins us now. They have rogd the inside of the campaign showing dysfunction and disgust and disagreement. The Campaign Never verified the authenticity but they are not arguing they are their words. One adviser told me its taken the joy away from the end of the campaign here and also thankful its coming now and they were not released earlier this summer when it could have more of an impact. But democrats wonder if Hillary Clinton learned any lessons from any of this at all going back to the private email server. That is the lingering question going on with 12 days remaining in this state. Thanks very much. Up next breaking news, governor mike pences Plane Skidding off the runway at
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