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Sitting down in the middle of intersections, blocking traffic during rush hour here. Police have been leading the protests, blocking off intersections. For the most part, things have been peaceful here. Over the weekend, things started peacefully here in chicago and then escalated into violence, arrests later in the protests. So far its been peaceful here in chicago. Do police know where the protests go, or is this just kind of in the spur of the moment happening . Reporter it seems like theres a spur of the moment. Theres a group who have identified themselves as leaders but with such large numbers, at one point theres been a couple thousand people in this march. There really is no rhyme or reason to where theyre going. So, police dont really have an idea. They are trying to contain the group as best they can by blocking off intersections. With so many people they can only do their best. A couple of conflicts where police have set up a perimeter. Crowds have wanted to breach that perimeter and theres been a standstill, ultimately the crowd choosing to go a different way. Doesnt seem like the police have an idea on where these protesters are headed. Charlie demar, well continue to check in in chicago and sacramento. Well bring you the latest developments the next two hours that we are on the air. In the wake of dallas, on the eve of Memorial Services for police there, and visit by president obama and former president bush. This also is taking place in the immediate aftermath of a multiple shooting elsewhere. Three dead in a western Michigan Town of st. Joseph. Two of them members of Law Enforcement. Jail inmate who was killed got hold of an officers gun during a scuffle. The fight took place right outside the holding cell at the courthouse as they were getting him out of the holding cell, they secured the door and then the inmate started fighting with the deputy and bailiff. Thats when the gun was able to be taken away. He was trying to escape. And thats when he fatally wounded the two bailiffs. Reporter Deborah Feyerick is working this story. She is joining us with all she has learned. We saw that press conference a short time ago. What more have you learned . Reporter anderson, whether there was a split second decision or something that that inmate had been thinking about, as soon as that holding door closed behind him, he saw an opportunity and tried to escape, according to the sheriff. He grabbed the gun of one of the officers bringing him from that holding cell into a courtroom and was able to fatally shoot two of the bailiffs. The third man, sheriffs deputy, he was injured during this fight. A corrections officer is telling us he saw the inmate running down the third floor hallway. And that hallway, anderson, is where there is a civil court. Its unclear specifically what charges he was facing. The sheriff does say there were several charges for which he was appearing in front of a judge. The sheriff was clearly, clearly shaken by this shooting, because it happened inside a courthouse. He said, quote, our hearts are torn apart. They were my friends for over 30 years. Anderson . I assume the investigation is still going on. Yes . Absolutely. Theyre inside that building right now, processing what has now become a crime scene. Theyre looking at all the Surveillance Video from the holding cell, cameras inside the hallways as well. The big question, anderson, is how was that inmate able to grab the gun . Whose gun was it . Why wasnt it secured sufficiently in order to prevent this man from getting that gun . That is a very, very big question tonight, anderson. Another example of the dangers that Law Enforcement face. Deborah feyerick, thank you. Friends and families of fallen officer Michael Smith will gather to pray, comfort one another and honor the life he led. Private and public, small and large ceremonies. President obama, former president george w. Bush and Vice President biden will join hundreds in dallas. They, too, will offer comfort, prayers and praise for the bravery so many officers showed that night and the lives they saved while risking their own. Mia taylor was in the middle of all of this. So were her four sons. A Police Officer fell, then she, too, was hit. Another officer helped her as she helped one of her sons. She joins us along with her sons and her husband, lavar. First of all, im so glad youre doing okay. You got out of the hospital yesterday. Physically, how are you feeling . Im okay physically. I mean, it hurts. Im in pain. Im still high in spirits. So im good there. Im not letting anything get me down. I just want to always stay positive and have that positive energy for me and my family, and exhibit that to the world. Because this is not the end for me. So im okay. If you could just take me back to youre at the protest. You brought your kids to the protest. When did you realize something terrible was happening . Actually, i didnt realize anything bad was happening until the end of the rally. We were walking back. We had separated from the group, from where they had ended their march. It was really just me and my boys on the block, walking back toward the car, where the car was parked. And thats when we realized that something was wrong when we heard a pop. We were standing on the corner waiting to cross the street and heard a pop out of nowhere. Everybody kind of just looked. Wasnt sure what that was, where it was coming from. Then there was a second pop. Thats when the officer you couldnt tell where it was coming from . No, not i could tell the direction of the sound but not exactly where it was coming from. And what happened then . The officer, he started to slump over. And he yelled out, hes got a gun. Get down run thats exactly what we started to do. You saw a Police Officer being shot . Yes, sir. And yet he had been shot and yet he was kind of yelling out instructions, warnings to everybody else . Yes, sir. So, you started what . I assume you started running. What happened then . I started running after i made sure my kids were in front of me. And as i was running i hadnt even gotten very far from that corner when i felt the bullet penetrate the back of my leg. And, you know, i yelled out im hit, you know . I dont know if my son heard me or my son just turned around to see where i was. But he turned around to grab at me and by then, i grabbed i was grabbing at him and tackled him i dont want to say tackled, but i threw him down into the street. And he kind of hit a car and we both i landed on top of him and laid on him and we were both in between the car and the curb. He had no idea. I dont believe he knew i was shot at all. So, andrew, your mom was able to grab you. What happened next . Well, immediately after she grabbed me, we were pinned between the c. Urb and a car. All we heard were shots, shots, shots. Did you realize your mom had been hit . I had no idea my mom was hit. Like, as she said, she had said something after she had started running, when she got hit. I didnt realize what she said. I just turned around to check on my mom because i already knew she wasnt as fast as the rest of my brothers. She grabbed you. Are you laying next to each other . How she was actually right on top of me. I was right under her. Like all that was visible was my head. She got on top of you to protect you . Yes. Mia, that was just an instinctive thing you did . Absolutely. Absolutely. Thats my son. I always kind of had that saying, if it happens to one of my kids, it happened to me first. So that was just yeah, that was just instincts, just a mother protecting her child. Any parent would do that. I understand when the shots started firing, you were able to grab your brother jamar of. What did you do next . We hid behind a stone pillar. However, the gate was down. We crouched behind that stone pillar until a Police Officer came by and covered us so that we could run away from that immediate area of action. So, it was a Police Officer who helped you get out of harms way . Yes. We were there for about a minute. Then a Police Officer ran over and said ill cover you and allow us and there were a few photographers there beside us as well, to get through the garage and get to the other side. Michlt a, did you how did you get to the hospital . Well, me and andrew were there in between the car and the curb on the street for just a few minutes before the Police Officers it was a bunch of them just came up the block. And the one if im not mistaken, the one who asked initially is anyone hit i was saying, yes, but in a real low tone like shaking my head, yes. Andrew didnt want him to pick up on it. What i didnt want him to do is exactly what he did and that was just kind of freak out. The officer asked again, is anyone i said yes, sir, i am, in my leg. Another one was above our head and, i mean, they just completely surrounded us. It was several of them alongside the wall, on the sidewalk. And it took a while. We couldnt get right up because it was just mayhem. It was just shots all around us. They said come on, now is the time. I tried to get up and i just buckled. I knew i was shot but i didnt realize the extent of the injury. But they grabbed me. Two of them on each side of me. I think one was behind me. One had my son covered and they pushed me into the car and they took off. The officer just took off. I didnt even realize that the car was riddled with bullets like it was. No kidding, the police car was . That we got in. Yes, sir. It was just completely riddled. The tires, i guess, had gotten shot out as well. Because when we pulled in to the hospital, in front of the hospital, i could hear somebody like well, later on one of the officers pulled up he pulled in on rims. So, he really i mean they all did an amazing job. They all did an amazing job, so selfless. Just i though they know what they get into when they take on this type of job, but to really act on it. Its amazing. When did you realize that all your sons were okay . Because you were separated. It was an hour to me already being in the emergency room where because i was continuously praying. I prayed the entire time. And even when from the time i jumped on andrew till i knew that me and him were okay in the hospital. But all the way just completely i havent stopped praying. I havent stopped. Finally, andrew came to the emergency room door, the room i was in and said mom, they found them. All three of them are okay. I gave praise and glory to god because i was so thankful. Just like i said while i was giving praise and glory to god for my children being safe, those officers were not. The you pray them . All the time. All the time. You were there to make a statement, to be part of this protest, you know, against Police Brutality and also to see other Police Officers risking their lives and sacrificing their lives. How do you balance those two things now . My taking my sons to the rally was to show them unity. Was to show them that we, as africanamericans, could come together. It was not to protest against the police. I have never, ever had any ill will toward Law Enforcement whatsoever. Ive never protested against them. That was not why we were there. That was not why i was there. That was not why i took my kids there. I took them there to show them unity, to show them that we can make a difference if we come together as a community. Mia lavar, damian, jamar, thank you for coming together. Putting themselves in danger in dallas last thursday night. Well talk to one family of an officer that was killed. They want you to know their brother. All that and much more ahead on this twohour edition of 360. 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They mean lets acknowledge at a time against the police matters. If they meant black lives matter, they would be doing something about the way in which the vast majority of blacks are killed in america, which is by other blacks. Black lives matter, therefore, puts a target on the back of police. Giuliani isnt the only one who has made that claim. Thats not how the groups founders or many others see it. Randi kaye takes a look. [ crowd chants black lives matter ] what started as a hash tag has turned into a rallying cry. The goal . To shine a light on racial injustice. This is a generation that wants to dismantle structural racism. This is the swren ration that wants to get at the core of it, that wants to get at the system the systemic problem. Reporter black lives Matter Movement was born after the shooting of treyvon martin. We, the jury, find george zimmerman, not guilty. Reporter after treyvon the deaths of africanamericans at the hands of police gave rise to more voices of protests. Eric gardner in new york. And Michael Brown in ferguson, where the Movement Really began to take hold. The people, the local neighborhoods in ferguson were willing to call attention to the issues, right . They were willing to put their lives on the line for Michael Brown and for their own future. Reporter then 12yearold tamir rice, who only had a pellet gun was killed by police in cleveland. The young man pulled a weapon out. Thats when the officers fired. Reporter activists say the list goes on, robinson, harris, freddie gray. In most incidents, the officers were not indicted, fueling the anger and amping up the message. They need to take care of our country, the police need to protect us. Reporter there are now dozens of black lives matter chapters across the united states. Critics say they choose their outrage selectively, staying silent about black on black crime. Some also believe the movement has actually incited violence against Police Officers, especially with chants like these. [ crowd chants pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon ] they say it was an inside joke between police and activists, meant to be playful. The groups founders insist black lives matter is not encouraging violence. The reality is this is a peaceful Human Rights Movement led by incredibly courageous black people. I think were demanding justice and freedom for our people. A lot to discuss with cnn political commentator and Georgetown University professor and contributing oped writer for the New York Times. Terry, you actually agree with a lot of what mayor giuliani said. Is it your belief that black lives Matter Movement is selective in where their outrage is, that theyre not focusing on socalled black on black crime . Yes. I have had this conversation with many people before. The idea of protesting against something that you feel is an injustice in your community and you want to protest and change it, great. But the black lives Matter Movement has careerly clearly is a political movement, very pro marxist, take down capitalism. Theres a larger agenda with what black lives matter wants. Theyre using the situation with police selective outrage. Focused on Police Brutality, theyre not concerned about i think thats one area theyve chosen to focus on. For people who are objectively looking at this. For the American People standing back and saying, okay, theres a problem, whether its perceived or real obviously theres a problem. What are we going to do to solve it . They look at an organization that says theyre going to cause all these problems, all these prote protests. Many of them have gotten completely out of control. To protest something that is actually quite rare. Police shootings of black men in this country is very rare. Statistics prove that. Yet they have gined this eginn a way that has created this antipolice environment. In baltimore five people were shot on the street corner, blacks, in baltimore. This happens on a regular basis. 64 people shot in chicago. 2,000 people have been shot in chicago, majority black folks, just this year alone. Black lives matter is not making that as much of a priority. Thats where the epidemic is. Not dismissing the other problems of racism. But if its going to be about black lives matter, it should be all black lives matter. Black lives matter protest in chicago. This is actually taped, not live images, from a few minutes ago. Michael in your New York Times oped, several blackonblack shootings in places like chicago is not known as blackonblack crime but neighbortoneighbor and some use it to diffuse the black lives matter focus. Everybody has a specialty. Everybody focuses on things that are problematic to them. The entire body has to be dealt with. People look specific chi at particular arenas and areas in life. Number one. Number two, 84 of white people murdered are murdered by white people. 93 of black people are murdered by black people. Its not black on black crime or white on white crime. Its neighbortoneighbor carnage. People kill where they live. If you want integrated killing you have to have integrated communities. People tend to kill where they nest. These communities lead to the undeniable carnage we see. Police brutality is done in the name of the state. When jamal or whoever hurt each other in the neighborhood, when they are found they are usually held to account. Police people wear a badge and a gun as the extension of the logic and authority of the state and most of them, when they are held to account or we attempt to hold them to account, they are not put in jail as a result of what they have done. Look, in the 70s, 3,000 cops cops have done misdeeds to 3,000 black people. So much so that their Police Department in philly was put into receivership. There is instance after instance of lethal Police Brutality. Not just policeinvolved shootings. Its the culture of violence. Its the dismissal. Its the racial profiling. Its looking at them through a distorted prism. Thats the problem. Black lives matter does not foment violence. It attempts to acknowledge it in one sense and to diagnose it at the level of the state. Let me get back to tara. Black lives matter website has a list of what they say are major misconceptions about the movement. Number one misconception, they say, quote, the movement doesnt care about blackonblack crime. The idea that blackonblack crime is not a topic of conversation is false. Members of community create the disrupt disrupt disrupters. Thats not black lives matters focus. The whole moniker bothers me. All lives matter. When i see these things happen or injustice happen or people are killed unjustly, i look at the situation and say, you know, your life matters. And that moniker bothers me to begin with. But the point is, anderson, they put a priority on an area that is not necessarily the area thats costing black lives. Lets say we stand back and say, okay. We stop. We acknowledge theres racism in Police Departments. Absolutely i acknowledge that. Do i think thats overwhelmingly the situation . No. If we were to take away every single black life taken by a Police Officer in one year, its about 112 to 120. That doesnt put a dent in the amount of black folks that are killing each other in the thousands. Thats why i feel like its misplaced anger. Michael, let me ask you about what tara said, about the idea slogan, black lives matter as opposed to all lives matter. Why is it important to say black lives matter, not all lives matter, in your opinion . Imagine if we lived in a heterosexual culture. I know thats hard to do. If people say gay lives matter. Heterosexual lives matter, too. It mitigates against the gay sexuality. All were saying is that black lives matter, too. We know white lives matter. We know this culture is built upon the premise of white supremacy, protection of law and the Supreme Court saying that white men had no reason to value the lives of black people. It is written literally in the Supreme Court. So we have to say black lives matter because we dont understand that they do. Were not suggesting that no one elses lives matter. Were saying we want to matter as well as other lives, which already manifestly matter. And then about taras argument that if we stopped the focus on Police Brutality then the overwhelming consideration would be these communities. First of all, as youve already indicated, anderson, these people i have participated in marches in chicago, detroit and in chicago where people are concerned about socalled interracial violence. Number two, whats interesting is that they are concerned about this issue in the context of state authority and Police Brutality is part of it. Thats why Martin Luther king jr. Made it a significant item in his 1963 march on washington. Weve got to you misunderstood me. I didnt say stop focus on Police Brutality. I said if we were able to stop all Police Murders of black men in this country murder is one thing, brutality as well. The point is racial profiling. All those things matter as well. Come up with a solution. I havent heard what those are. They have them. Look at their website. Listen to the people. Dont demonize them. Dont dismiss them or marginize them. These protests are not helping at all. Youre mad that the naacp is not the urban league. Theyve got to root out the people saying death to Police Officers, f the police gd white america. Thats like saying because white christianity has a few nuts therefore were going to get rid of jesus . Let her but you are we are talking about a movement that black lives matter is Police Officers being assassinated. No, no, no. Wait a minute. Let him respond. People who are dying are not Police Officers. They are people of color in the streets who are dying at the hands of the police. Actually, its white americans that are overwhelming dying at the hands of Police Officers. If you look at the stats. Black people who are murdered. Theyre murdered by their own. Theyre murdered by their own by thousands. Why arent white women cop killing black people . Why arent latino cops killing black people . They are. The overwhelming majority of people who are cops who kill are white men. Thats the thing youve got to address. Michael dyson, tara, well talk to you throughout the next two hours. The latest on the investigation in dallas, including new details of the evidence found at the shooters home and at the crime scene. Whats it like to be in good hands . 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A lot of upscale stores and restaurants. Thats the reason why black lives Matter Organization specifically staged this protest here. Only minutes ago, anderson, did we witness atlanta Police Officers that essentially cut off this march making its way on a public street. As a result we watched as officers began to move in and began plucking out certain protesters, certain of these demonstrators. We heard from atlantas mayor early on who said that this is a delicate balance, anderson, that they want to allow people to exercise their First Amendment rights, be able to protest and call for what they believe is muchneeded reform. However, stay off the actual streets and highways. Thats what we witnessed as several hundred of these protesters started at one of the local marta stations, basically local transport system and made their way on to the streets. What were seeing as a result is Atlanta Police making their way on to the streets and begin to make arrests. Weve counted at least officer telling us to be sure to stay on the sidewalk here. Obviously, the law applying to us here. We counted at least a dozen arrests or so. All of them in that bus as they begin to scale back. Whats left of the marchers, they continue on. The main theme, what theyre asking for, anderson, is accountability. I tried to talk to as many people as i can, to see what message they want to really make its way throughout the city and really throughout the country. That is accountability. Not just in the departments here, Police Departments here in georgia but also throughout the country. Anderson . Polo sandoval, back to dallas. Large part of the city remain ace crime scene. President obama arrives tomorrow he will, by all accounts, find a city in mourning. As we said, services throughout the week for the five officers killed. Obviously, there are difficult days ahead for weeks and months ahead, years for their families and fellow officers. Tonight there are new details about some of the evidence collected at the shooting scene and from the shooters home. The shooters parents are speaking out for the first time. Ed lavendera has the latest. Reporter dallas Police Officers are piecing together 137 hours of body cam video, dash cam footage and surveillance camera footage to determine how the deadly attack unfolded. Dallas police chief david brown said investigators are working to confirm that the killer acted alone. Were going to follow every lead until its exhausted, until i am satisfied this was a lone person. Reporter analyzing the killers weapons seized on the scene and in his home. Law enforcement officials tell us two handguns and an assaultstyle rifle were brought to the attack and was wearing a bulletproof vest. The weapons appear to be legally purchased, some bought online. Its still unclear what the plans were for the explosives found in his home. There was a large stockpile. One of the bomb teches called me at home to describe his concern of how large a stockpile of bombmaking materials he had. Reporter there are still questions about the letters rb that the killer wrote in his own blood inside the Community College where he was killed. I think that this killer, obviously, had some delusion. There was quite a bit of rambling in the journal thats hard to decipher. I love my son with all my heart. I hate what he did. Reporter his parents speaking out in an interview with the blaze. His mother say he left the military after six years, highly disillusioned. Calling him a good son. The idea he thought our government what he thought the military represented, it just didnt live up to his expectations. Reporter all this, as protesters took to the streets across the country this weekend with more than 300 arrests. In atlanta, thousands shut down major highways. In st. Paul, minnesota, some protesters threw rocks and molotov cocktails at officers. In baton rouge, police in riot gear took on protesters and this photo of aeyesha evans, mother from pennsylvania, standing in the street as baton rouge officers rushed in to arrest her. That photo has gone viral on social media. Chief brown is addressing the protests today. Dont be part of the problem. Were hiring. Were hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in. Ed lavendera joins us now. Youre learning more about the shooters background . Reporter weve obtained some High School Records that show the killer in this case graduated near the bottom of his class with a 1. 98 gpa. We also learned from a federal Law Enforcement source going back to the issue of the bomb explosives that were recovered inside his house, according to this federal Law Enforcement source, it was about 3 1 2 pounds of explosive material, including smokeless powder, black powder and a material called tanerite. Donald trump returns since the ambush, saying he is the law and order candidate. Plus, possible clues in terms of who donald trump will name this week as his running mate. Oudairy or artificial flavors. , so we invented a word that means that. Shmorange and it rhymes with the color of our bottle. To help spread the word, we made tshirts reach for the orange, its 100 shmorange as we turn to politics tonight, politics focus, as we all are, are focused on these scenes. With a week to go until the start of the republican convention, donald trump is back on the campaign trail, partys presumptive nominee held a rally in virginia beach, the first since the tragedy in dallas. Reporter donald trump seized on the attack on Police Officers in dallas as a turning point in the campaign. Its time for hostility against our police and against all members of Law Enforcement to end and end immediately. Right now. Reporter presenting voters with a critical choice. I am the law and order candidate. Hillary clinton, on the other hand, is weak, ineffective, pandering and, as proven by her recent email scandal, she is either a liar or grossly incompetent. One or the other. Very simple. After delaying his attacks on clinton in the aftermath of the carnage in dallas, he returned to bashing the former secretary of state over her use of a private email server. Crooked Hillary Clinton is the the symbol of the status quo. Wherever Hillary Clinton goes, scandal follows. Reporter seemingly supporting some of the worlds worst actors. Saddam hussein was a bad guy, right . Do you know what he did well . He killed terrorists. He did that so good. Reporter but at an event for veterans in virginia, trump had backup. We need to stand behind the men and women in blue in this country. Reporter just as trump is in the final days of selecting a running mate, new Jersey Governor Chris Christie was ripping into clinton, too. Thats not a person who will stand for the rule of law. Thats a person who will stand for the rule of her. Reporter sources familiar with trumps Vice President ial search says christie has been fully vetted. Mike pence, indiana governor, is said to be high on the short list. Pence will be with trump in indiana tuesday. Im prepared to make that case across indiana and anywhere across the country that donald trump would want me to. Reporter auditioning gingrich in ohio. Newt has been my friend for a long time. In one form or another, Newt Gingrich is going to be involved with our government. Reporter others in the hunt may be losing their luster. Retired general mike flynn who was under consideration said he was in favor of abortion rights over the weekend. I think women have to be able to choose what they you know, sort of the right of choice. Reporter then today, he seemed to flip, describing himself as a prolife democrat. Jim acosta joins us now. Donald trump is scheduled to appear at a rally with governor pence tomorrow. Reporter thats right, anderson. As for that rally with mike pence tomorrow, there are r rumbles back in indiana that he could be the oddson favorite for Donald Trumps Vice President ial running mate. Theyre scrambling to find a replacement for pence, running for reelection as governor of that state. He has to decide by friday whether he wants to be trumps Vice President. State law in indiana does not allow mike pence to run for both of those jobs. Todays audition with Chris Christie was sort of unusual. They werent really photographed together. Though there is plenty of footage of them together in the past. Anderson, for donald trump picking Chris Christie would be the ultimate doubling down, whereas selecting mike pence would be the an attempt to calm things down in the republican party. A lot to discuss on the Political Panel joining us is christine quinn, Tara Sethmeyer is back. And cnn political commenter and gloria borger. Is that the donald trump that the Hillary Clinton campaign should be most worried about . Its the donald trump that the Donald Trump Campaign wants to present in a time of crisis, in this country. I think what they want is a candidate thats not so hot. They want a candidate thats a little calmed down so they can appeal to a broader base. Thats why hes reading off a prompter. Im the law and order candidate, something he has been saying all along. But he also added i am a candidate of compassion. So, hes trying to kind of walk that line because at this time in our country, you need somebody who can calm people down and not rile people up. And thats what leadership is at this point. And i think theyre aware of it. Cory, when you were with the campaign you famously said, according to reports, let trump by trump. Are you concerned seeing trump on a teleprompter with remarks like this, that some of the fire maybe is not there and maybe thats what a lot of supporters want to see . I dont think so. What you see with donald trump, even if hes reading off a teleprompter, those are his own words, his own thoughts. What you saw today was a very specific tenpoint plan on how to reform the va, something near and dear to his heart. He has talked a lot about the need for veterans, how to give them better care. What you see is a tenpoint strategy, very specific and outlined. What he also talked about was the need to bring the country together. We were in dallas three weeks ago. And we had got to know some of those officers. Not the ones specifically killed but members of that dallas Police Department. I had the privilege of talking to one of the elected senior officials there, dallas Police Department, one of the senior members of that department today. They said to me, thank you, mr. Trump, for standing with us. Not just today but throughout your entire campaign. He has been the candidate who has supported Law Enforcement from day one. How does it work in the campaign in terms of whether donald trump is going to give, you know, a speech that he pulls out of his pocket with a couple of bullet points which is how the wall street journal reported he gave a lot of his speeches previously. Or off a teleprompter and prepared remarks by somebody . When you have something he wants to make sure he can get his points across. Theyre very specific. You saw with the trades speech last week, with the va points this week. Outlining a specific number of talking points, he wants to be able to go through and outline those points specifically and share those thoughts with everybody. You saw ten specific items today. He talked about va reform. Thats where he will be using a teleprompter. When he goes to a large rally with 10,000 or 12,000 people he will have the ability to talk in a much grander way and get people fired up. Its much more reserved in this tara, weve seen trump use a teleprompter before and go off days later, sometimes hours later. Going off is an under statement. We saw two speeches last week that were messes, you know, about ten minutes were good substance and then the rest talking about his hair and air force one and golfing. Mosquito. Mosquitos. It was a mess. It was two days where Hillary Clinton was on the ropes with the fbi issue, with james comey coming out. Even though he didnt recommend prosecution, but he indicted her pretty badly as far as her credibility on her email scandal and donald trump chose not to, what i call, offer the death blows that many republicans wished he would have on message. So, they are clearly looking at this situation saying, okay, we have to bring it back in. Were a week before or less now from the convention. You have got but christine, he did pivot back to Hillary Clinton today, calling her secretary status quo, being hard over the email scandal, which probably for his not even for supporters, there was a poll out today saying a majority of americans, 56 , disagree with the fbis decision not to charge her criminally. There was also polls out recently saying that americans believe that the president ial campaign is adding to the division in this country and they blame that in these independent polls on donald trump. But i have to say, we spent more time in this president ial campaign talking about whether donald trump will commit to reading from a teleprompter. I have said this before, but being able to read off a screen is a credential for third grade, not for the white house. And today in his speech, what he proposed was moving towards privatizing the v. A. , something that 64 of veterans oppose. This is the man who said on the record that he opposes the post9 11 g. I. Bill. This is not a man who is friend of veterans. I think we lose that when we spend so much time on whether he can stay on teleprompter message which we know he is constitutionally incapable of doing. Heres what we have seen with donald trump. What we saw last summer was he came out with a plan for Veterans Affairs administration. This has been an utter disaster under the clinton administration, under the obama administration. Veterans are continuing to die, the wait times are continuing to increase. What he has said was if you served our country and you want to go to a hospital and you want to get care, the government should put the full faith and support behind you so you can go to any hospital and receive federal funding and get that care. Thats not privatization. Thats good for our veterans. In new hampshire, we dont have a full service v. A. You have to drive to vermont or boston. Those veterans are no better off having a full Service Hospital somewhere else. They should be able to go to any hospital that gets federal funding and walk in whether they have a cold or major accident and be able to tara . These are the kind of issues republicans want to see trump talking about. We would much rather have these discussions about whether its good to have privatize the v. A. Because those are winning issues for republicans because democrats have done such a poor job and what happened with the v. A. Not only under this administration, its been a chronic problem for awhile. But when you stay on issues like this and compare and contrast, we wont be talking about teleprompters. His adviser asked by the wall street journal today are you moving towards privatizing the v. A. , Donald Trumps adviser said yes. This is the same man whos accused our veterans of stealing money in iraq. This is not a friend of a veteran. We have to go. We will return to dallas. We will have more on politics in the next hour. 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The theme, dallas strong. The sentiment behind it giving thanks to police for the job they do and the job they did under fire thursday night. Martin savidge has some of their stories. Reporter Shetamia Taylor had a front row view of horror and heroes. We heard a shot and we all looked. We didnt know what it was. Reporter she had brought her sons to see a peaceful protest thursday night. She heard the first shots and she saw the first to fall. As he was going down, he said he has a gun, run. Reporter the wounded officers warning sends the family fleeing. As she runs, a bullet hits her leg. Going down, she instinctively grabs and covers her nearest child. Moments later, a human shield of blue forms around them. The officer jumped on top of me and covered me and my son and there was another one at our feet and there was another one over our head, and there was several of them lined against the wall. Reporter then came more shots. And more sacrifice. Saw another officer get shot right there in front of me. Reporter trapped behind a car, photographer robert moore also witnessed courage. It came running. That officer ran into a place where there was light fire in order to cover me, and the two officers that i was next to who only had small arms fire. He is really the focus of this story. Reporter moore never got the officers name. But he did get a photo. We may never know the names of all the heroes but they all had one thing in common. They all wore blue. And the people they saved will never forget them. I never seen anything like that, the way they just came around us and just guarded us like that. Martin savidge joins us now. We havent heard the officers stories from them directly. Is that intentional on the part of the department . Reporter the reason for that is that there are many officers, of course, who did heroic deeds but the police force is still having on decipher exactly what happened. It is a huge crime scene. And they are going through it methodically. They have hundreds of videos to look at so it will probably be some time, but hopefully, the heroes all will be known. Martin, thanks. We also of course want to know as much as we can about those who lost their lives, those who were killed by the shooter. One of those heroes, officer brent thompson, lost his life. Coming up in the second hour of 360 we talk to two of his brothers and have the latest on the growing protests happening in major u. S. Cities right now. They think that its sad. I think its important for everyone to know that there is so much more to memory support than the stigmas you hearabout. That these residents still have lives and their lives still matter and that they are still living their lives. That theyre not locked away and that they still have a lot to live for, you know, that they have people that care about them and they have people that love them and i love them, so laughs . 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