Have abortions should be punished. After that he put out a statement saying that doctors should be punished, not women. And after trump retweets sidebyside image of heidi cruz and melania trump. Lets get to jim acosta live for us in wisconsin this evening. Jim, blockbuster news on the Trump Campaigns. Lets may mr. Trumps remarks on abortion that started the fire storm today. Do you believe in punishment for abortion as a principle, yes or no . The answer is there has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yes. 10 cents, 10 years . I dont know. You have positions on everything else. Its a very complicated position. Jim, what was the impact . First of all, don, what we saw sod wtoday was something wet see today, it was arever reversal, he made a statement, backed away from it and a full rever reversal. Chief among the people responding to what donald trump said today was Hillary Clinton. She knows these two may be going head to head later this fall. She knows theres a huge gender gap, high unfavorable ratings with women and she sought to exploit that, indicating to Anderson Cooper she plans to talk about this even more heading into the fall. The choice is really clear. The republicans all line up together. Maybe they werent quite as open about it as donald trump was earlier today, but they all have the same position. And if you make abortion a crime, you make it illegal, then you make women and doctors criminals. Now, on the republican side, ted cruz, john kasich, just about everybody republican was condemning donald trump for these original remarks he made on abortion, but ted cruz put out a statement essentially saying, wait a minute, donald trump does not speak for the antiabortion forces movement, for the Prolife Movement. He said, quote, once again donald trump has demonstrated he hasnt seriously thought through the issues and he say just about anything to get attention, on the important issue of the sanctity of life, whats far too often neglected is that being prolife is not simply about the unborn children. Four years ago when mitt romney would commit a gaffe, it would underline that he had a difficult time relating to the common man. What donald trump east gaffes tend to do is underline the probably problem he has, which is he isnt necessarily well versed on all the issues. He stumbled. Ted cruz is making a big play for womens votes in wisconsin. Even held an event featuring his wife, his mother, carly fiorina. How much does Donald Trumps abortion flap help his opponent with this key demographic . Its a big problem with women voters here if wisconsin. Keep in mind heading into the wisconsin primary, which is just a few days away, this is a state that is very important when it comes to attracting conservative catholic voters. The catholic vote in wisconsin is critical, and donald trump, what he tried do, it sounded like he was trying to pander to some of those voters by saying this is how tough i am on the issue of abortion, just as the same way hes tougher as anyone else when it comes to illegal immigration, he wants to build a wall on the u. S. Mexican Border when. It comes to abortion, hes talking about punishing women if abortion was ever made illegal. The problem is on the prolife side of the equation, theyre saying, no, they dont want to punish women either. He was getting it wrong on both sides of the spectrum. I want to put up this poll and ask you about it. Theres a new poll by Marquette University law school. Ted cruz leads the field by 10 points over donald trump with donald trump 9 points over john kasich. How will this affect the race if this poll holds . If ted cruz can peel away wisconsin and coming up after wisconsin is the colorado caucuses, ted cruz has tended to do very welfare reform l in the. Every time ted cruz can peel away one of these contests, it makes it more difficult for donald trump to get to that magic number of 1,237 delegates. You were talking about this in the buildup to the show. Its not only the abortion comments, its the Corey Lewandowski incident, the wife war wars we saw last week and the violence at the rallies. Its whether the cumulative effect is starting to affect his numbers. Ted cruz has certainly caught fire. It could be a change in the momentum of this race. Well have to see how it all pans out on tuesday night. Stw you mentioned Corey Lewandowski. That was the other big story we were mentioning. I am confident that neither president obama nor president bush would tolerate someone on their staff being accused of physically assaulting a reporter, lying about it and they blaming the victim. That is completely unacceptable behavior. You cover the white house every day. Its pretty unusual for the white house to comment on Something Like this, isnt it . It is. It might be less so as the weeks and months move forward, don. That is because president obama plans to the surrogate in chief when it comes to this upcoming election battle. He has all but made it clear he wants Hillary Clinton to win this nomination. He hasnt said that definitively but hes made that pretty clear. It and Hillary Clinton may be taking on donald trump coming up in the fall. Youre going to see the white house going after donald trump repeatedly and much more often than youre seeing now. You saw in the press conference, josh earnest didnt use the name donald trump. That seems to be sort of the white house approach. As we get closer to a general election campaign, president obama i think is itching to join this fight. He wants to help Hillary Clinton just as much as possible to make sure she takes the white house. It think its very clear at this point the white house is almost enjoying the prospect, looking forward to the prospect of taking on donald trump in the fall, don. Thank you very much. Appreciate that, sir. Jim acosta. Conservatives in an uproar all day today. Glen beck told ma true trump is it all up before he goes along. Watch this. This is what gets it. Youre watching him. Hes saying are you going do it . Hes looking up. Hes thinking, thinking. Yes. He has no idea. Hes never thought of this before. He is winging this entire election. He doesnt mean what he says. He means it at the moment. Let me think, ah, ah, yes. Hes just making it up as he goes along. However you feel about abortion, thats your issue, right, who are we to judge. But is this isnt this against the Prolife Movements ideology, its about saving the life of a baby as opposed to punishing a woman. Do you think hes thought about that . No, no, i dont think Donald Trumps thought about any of these things. Hes said recently the reason hes made so many antiwomen things is because, quote, he didnt think of running for president so he didnt think this way. He didnt think these things through. First of all, lie number one, hes been talking about running for president since likes 1988. He has opinion thinking about running for president. He just has put no actual thought into any of these. I dont take any of his policies as real at all. So what does this do for him in the general . Does it give democrats room to gain even more ground when it comes to women voters . Don, i dont think hes going to be the candidate in the first place, but if he is the candidate, its going to be the biggest blood bath of the gop of all time. Mark my words. Explain that. I believe that Hillary Clinton will run the board like reagan did with mondale. I think by the time donald trump gets to the general, hell be so badly wounded and so i mean, look at his numbers on women. He already nobodys even started on that yet. 73 unfavorability. Almost 75. His unfavorables are unlike anything weve ever seen at any time in history. So lets look into more numbers from Marquette University law school. Ted cruz leads donald trump by 10 points. That is a big jump from where he was in february. You are a cruz supporter. So what do you think is behind this jump . I think people maybe, maybe are waking up and theyre seeing what donald trump is all about, especially with lewandowski, that nightmare. If my wife called the police and the place plolice came to the hd said i want him arrested for battery and here are the bruises to show how hard he grabbed me, i know i would be arrested and probably go to jail. 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As a prolife women who has been prolife for years, this is exactly the opposite of what were supposed to say to women. I mean, obviously if a woman is faced with a choice it terminate a pregnancy, theyre in a really uncomfortable situation. And this is sort of the last resort and to then sort of criminalize the situation that theyre in to say this is a crime instead of you were sort of trapped in a situation that is really unfortunate. Women should be supported. Listen, he put out a statement and he did walk it back, he reversed himself, alycia, quickly. Do you think donald trump really understands the issue now . No, donald trump doesnt understand the issue. He sounds like exactly what ted cruz accused him of being, a new york liberal that is now trying to buy conservative votes and saying, look, im conservative now. He just became prolife a couple of years ago by his own admittance in the first gop debate. He is not prolife and he doesnt speak for prolife americans. Lets speak about Corey Lewandowski, Donald TrumpsCampaign Manager. You both signed a letter along with 14 other pundits demanding he is to be fired. You say the press is to have an adversarial yet civil approach to those in or running for elected office. Never is in this line of work is it acceptable to respond to reasonable and legitimate questioning with use of physical force. Why did you get involved in this, bethany . As a female reporter, breitbart was very friendly. The response was i didnt know you were with breitbart, if hes willing to do that to someone who is the most friendly outlet possible to his campaign, who is he going to do that to next . The Washington Post . Cnn . Its not just going to be an arm grab. This is his test. It he can get away with man handling the press in this manner, theres no stopping him. Do you think he embellished his story . Donald trump said the video exonerates lewandowski. Dictator donald wants us to believe what he says. I think theres three videotapes and an audiotape, a report from ben terris at the Washington Post. No, no, dont believe the Jupiter Police department and dont believe Michelle Fields, dont believe the eyewitnesses and dont believe the tapes. It is innocent till proven guilty, though. And honestly, my biggest problem with this is that the Trump Campaign has lied. They were caught in their lie and now theyre lying again and theyre trying to cover up the original lie. I dont think its becoming of any president ial candidate, let alone the gop frontrunner. Lets take a listen to a clip from last nights town hall. Ill tell you what, you just take a look, you just take a look at whats going on. I stick up for people when theyre right. Would i love to have fired him. It would be much easier than talking about this all night. Id rather talk about the issue. I stick up for people when theyre unjustly accused. Hes grabbing me, he walked in to stop it, she had a pen in her hand it, could have been a knife. She should not have been doing that. And she didnt fall to the ground, she wasnt dragged to the ground and all of the things that she said, anderson. I stick up for people. I dont want to ruin somebodys life. Why are you shaking your head, bethany . He sounds like a domestic abuser. She didnt fall to the ground, she wasnt that badly hurt, she had a pen in her hand. She was vetted by the secret service. They know who she is. Now she wasnt that hurt . You hear these excuses from domestic abusers. She just has a black eye, it wasnt like i broke her arm. This is how he treats women. This is how serious he considers battery. I dont want to put words in your mouth, bethany. Is he blaming the victim . Absolutely. Not only is he blaming the victim, hes destroying her career. How often have we had someone talk about this on a National Scale like this and read the Police Report and lie about it. Its disturbing to me this guy is now our frontrunner and people on the media, on the left, have been able to use the caricature theyve been wrongly referring to as conservatives and refer to donald trump now. Corey lewandowskis attorney spoke. Lets listen. To me it appear hes is stopping her or redirecting her from getting closer to mr. Trump. Mr. Trump tweeted a picture of a still photo of the video where he is wincing away from this woman who is trying to grab his arm. At that very moment up see corey who is coming in between him and miss fields. So he is making the case that he is just protecting his candidate. Thats not legitimate to you. Is he the secret service . Who appointed him the muscle of the Trump Campaign . Apparently we should give him a medal of honor and he is more brave than the incredible generation that stormed the beaches of normandy. If the secret service think that she was a threat and they didnt do anything about it, then we need a new detail on donald trump stat because he is at risk. I want to bring in age. Delgado, a conservative kol uppi i columnist. What do you think about what these women said in. I cant believe what im hearing. I heard the term domestic abuser. One of them said they knew who Michelle Fields was because she covered the trump beat for breitbart. Thats completely wrong. The regular reporter was sick that day so they sent michelle. Please know your fact, before they chime in. They saw an aggressive woman coming up to mr. Trump, touching his arm. The secret service stated she touched him twice and the secret service warned him twice. You see he flinches. This was a defensive move on his part and corey comes in and steps in the situation to get between them. How on earth is this even an issue . 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Its defense. Bae systems. There is less than a week until the wisconsin primary and a new poll shows ted cruz leading in wisconsin. A. J. Delgado is back with me. Matt lewis and bob cussack, editor in chief of the hithehi. Is this all strengthening the Never Trump Movement as we head into wisconsin next week . Yeah, i think so. I mean, ted cruz doing well in the recent wisconsin poll that came out today and if you look at trump, hes had a rough week. All candidates are going to have rough weeks. Hes been winning the republican basically side for more than eight months. With you he had been doing well on the abortion question as far as just saying, hey, listen, im just like ronald reagan, im prolife but with exception. Today he took heat from both the left and the right and that does not help him going into wisconsin. Now, cruz has to win wisconsin, but hes looking pretty good right now. Matt, Hillary Clinton called into ac360 earlier tonight. Here as how she reacted. This is about whether abortion is legal and whether women make our own health care choices. Its very clear that donald trump wants to repeal that fundamental right, just like all the other republican candidates, and when he was asked whether women should be punished, he said yes. And that is absolutely unacceptable. It is outrageous. No other republican candidate really took on donald trump because they fundamentally agree with him and the issues that he is hitting upon, and i think this latest incident demonstrates that. Thats a pretty big pronouncement, matt. Is secretary clinton right . Do other candidates fundamentally agree with trump . Or is it that theyre afraid or is she right . No, shes wrong but shes clever. She demagoguing this issue because donald trump has opened up the door for her to did this and to paint all republicans, all conservatives all prolifers as people who basically want to declare war on women. So trump fell into the trap. I think who doesnt know the issue that well. Speak of traps, prolifers have run the traps. They know how you have to frame the issue very precisely and that will are political compromises that have to be made. Matt, let me jump in. Shes talking not just about framing the issues but fundamental beliefs. Is she wrong on the belief or wrong on the framinframing . Shes wrong but youre right, don, she had an agenda. Twice in the clip she said this isnt just trump, this is wrong. The prolife consensus is that women should not be criminalized and should not be punished for having an abortion, the abortion doctor would be penalized. I want to bring a. J. In. Did donald trump screw up today . I think he spoke inartfully. When youre constantly saying that, it would be unnatural to say it should be illegal but there should be no punishment. Usually things illegal usually have a punishment. I think its a trick he walked into. I call it a gaffe. Get your point do you think he has firm gasp on the issues of the Prolife Movement . Absolutely he does. Donald trump is also probably the most sensible when it comes to planned parenthood beep should keep in mind while hes very much a prolifer, hes won women over with his position that planned parenthood does a lot of good things, pap smears, birth control, what have you, they might be prolife but they also support what planned parenthood does that isnt abortion related. That gets lost sometimes. Does donald trump have a ceiling . Its just higher than a lot of people initially thought his ceili ceiling . I think donald had an unnatural buffer based on his celebrity. The real donald trump is someone who speaks off the mind is it is the personification of what so many republicans are so concerned about, they will spend the next six months answering to the statements that donald trump makes and there are no good answers when you save something as incendiary and ridiculous as mothers, women would be punished for daring to have an abortion, something thats so personal, a decision that no one should take lightly and they have to worry that the wouldbe president of the United States wants to find a which to outlaw a practice thats lawful right now and worry this is going to be illegal, theyre going to be punished for it, wory about Law Enforcement. Its hilarious that donald trump would talk about Law Enforcement in any way. Law enforcement in florida made the decision that his Campaign Manager perpetrated a crime yet he cant be bothered with the facts. A. J. , youre disagreeing. Did kurt just say that abortion is legal now . Could you repeat that . Roe v. Wade is the law of the land. Your comments make no sense. True prolifers are saying that the woman committed murder, yes or no. And then you have kurt and matt saying you should be clever, a trickster to go on national tv. Roe v. Wade is the law of the land. That is a federal couthe law of period. Not all abortions are legal. Whats your point . Roe v. Wade is not the law of the land . No, of course it is. Some abortions are not legal. I cannot go and have a seventh month abortion right now. I dont think thats what kurt was saying. Hes saying abortion in general yes, he was. I dont even know what that has to do with anybody. I dont either. Matt, i have to go to break. What did you want to say . I want to say real quick people who are strong prolifers dont care about punishing the woman. They care about defend being the life of the unborn and protecting the life of the unborn and they view women as victims as well. And so this who commit murder. You say who commit murder. 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I think what republicans are looking for are not arrests of Campaign Managers, not abortion controversies, theyre not Nuclear Weapons stuff that can attract attention. So i think that theyre looking for a little bit more boring. Donald trump suggested hes going to be more president ial. I think hes got to be basically more president ial, a little more boring over the next several months because this is the crunch time, this is when the Republican Party is picking a nominee and hes had a bit of a rough stretch. Hes still got a big advantage in the delegates but hes got to close this deal and hes had a rough run this week. Doubt about it. You guys keep saying hes had a rough stretch, its been a bad couple weeks or so for donald trump, yet hes saying its great. His surrogates come on and say the New York Times interview said hes great, it was just a little kerfuffle, hes misspoke. Does he realize hes had a bad week, matt . I dont know. 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This is what a lot of the republican electorate, theyre very frustrate thd that big business, the lobbyists have been controlling the party. He goes after the pharmaceutical industries, goes after hmos. This is something that he says the iraq war was a disaster and a mistake by george w. Bush. So i think in this case swaigsi there are corporations who doesnt like how unpredictable trump is. That helps his populous allure. The article says they have largely avoided the delicate choice between possibly offending mr. Trumps passionate followers by distancing themselves from him or angering the equally vocal constituencies opposed to his candidacy. Look what happened to nbc, they had this big falling out with him and then a few months later hes on snl. If they do so, its up to them. I dont think its a Good Business choice or smart p. R. Move. Up to them. There is pressure being put on companies to pull out. Should they . 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First of all, with the lighting, do you notice them or new yoo, you cant see them l zip sta. I started out five, six days a week. So youre not aware of them. But when you do glance at them, you think of them ats an just a friend. You dont realize there are a couple of people behind them. Actual friends back there. Youre younger than me. Youre 94 years old young. Yes, 94 and a quarter. Miss white, i see you everywhere. Miss white . Oh, boy. May i call you betty . Yes, you are may call me betty. Thank you. I see you late night, i see you early in the morning, i see you everywhere. Are you trying to tell me youre sick of me . No, im not sick of you. I wonder where you get the energy. I love watching you. Its just love, its a feeling thats so great. Youre talking to friends who have been loyal to you for 90 years answerd i just enjoy it. I like your sense of humor. Youve been known to use naughty words. Not naughty words. I just like to use a sexual sense of humor. She tried to come into the changing room with me. He locked the door. Youre part of a cnn series the 80s. I dont remember the 80s. That was before my time. I was just a kid. The golden girls, when i say that, what comes to your head . One of the happiest periods of my life. It was the happiest time to not only work with those wonderful broads, but to get to know them. It just we wouldnt even have to say anything to each other. Something would happen, wed be out here talking with the camera and something would happen and wed just take a look and it would crack us all up. It didnt take anything to break us up. Was that your favorite part of the 80s doing that show . Did you have a favorite time of the 1980s . Robert redford comes to mind. With you then Robert Redford always comes to mind. Was that your crush . I no thknow that your husband we love of your life but was Robert Redford your crush in. What do you mean was . He still is . . Oh, god, yes. But dont tell him. I dont want to tell anybody. He doesnt know . No, no. Well, maybe. Lets get back to the golden girls i. That show really broke so many barriers. You talked about gay rights, you talked about hiv, you talked about all sorts of things. You broke barriers on that show. Did you realize during that time you were breaking barriers in the culture . I had been in television since the very beginning so i was aware that we were going into new territory, lets say. But thanks to our team of writers and producers, they handled it they didnt handle it like, hey, hey, lets talk about this. They tried to talk about it as a fact of life, which it is. And i found that kind of refreshing. You think it was easier or maybe more palatable coming from these ladies rather than, you know, a bunch of guys sitting around talking about these issues . It could very well be. Thats a good point. It probably could. But they didnt know what kind of ladies we were. Do you think that that role sort of made a difference for women, especially older women in hollywood in the 80s . Because it was tough for women of a certain age to get roles. And there you are, these broads of a certain age, if you dont mind me saying that, doing it to death, i mean winning awards, breaking barriers and there you are on television every single week. Well, i think it was kind of Ground Breaking at that time, but it was kind of painless. We didnt lay it out like, look, look, were women and stuff. We just were. But you were single women, widowed women on your own. And not impervious to romance and all kinds of things, but i think the writers did a wonderful job of making women of that age not quite as dull as everybody thinks they are. Betty white, what keeps you ticking . What keeps you going . Oh, im the luckiest old broad on two feet. The fact that im still able to be in the busy love, meet nice people, its such a privilege. Thats what keeps you going and keep you loving it. And im lucky to have met you and to have interviewed you. Thank you so much. Is there thank you so much and welcome home. Now you get some rest. I am. Im going to go. And a cocktail. You can come have one with me. Oh, well, lets well talk. All right. Betty white, thank you. Thank you so much. Boy, we needed her positivity after all the negative stuff we have discussed this evening. Cnns original series the 80s premieres tomorrow night. Thank you, betty white soup and sandwich and cannonballs and clean and real and looking good and sandwich and soup and a new personal best. And a little help and soup and sandwich and study group. Good, clean food pairs well with anything. Try the clean pairings menu. At panera. Food as it should be. Thats it for us tonight. Our live coverage continues in los angeles. And good evening. If you think youve seen it oal in this president ial primary just