He used was blood bath. It was one in a string of shootings, terror attacks, bombings at two restaurants that we know of in the citys major soccer stadium throw the deputy mayor said there were attacks at six to seven locations. Paris tonight is under curfew, all of france under a state of national emergency, travel restricted, borders closed. Tens of thousands of Police Security forces and troops now either on alert or out on the streets. This is happening less than a year after the Charlie Hebdo measure hours since bombings in beirut. We have correspondents across paris and across the globe to help us as information comes in. I want to start out with pierre on the phone. Whats the latest you can tell us . Caller all i can say is what i saw about an hour ago while the police raided the place. All i can say is that a good number of hostages have been evacuated safely out of the premises and the place is still co cordened off right now. Im in safety now thankfully. Do you know how long the incident lasted at the bataclan theater . Caller yes, i was in front of the bataclan for about two hours and 15 minutes. What i can say is police raided for about an hour and a half before they decided to go in. Then there was a series of loud bursts, automatic rifle bursts and then a few detonations, which i can only assume were grenades from the police or from other individuals but i can see this was the police trying to get into a building. I saw about 100 to 150 hostages walk out safely out of the premises. 20 or so hostages were trapped in the first floor of the building and thankfully, were evacuated by the police through a system of ladders. About six meters from the ground. One hostage suffered from a gun shot wound and had to be evacuated thanks to a rope, but i believe this person is now with the Emergency Response unit and out of harms way. Pierre, do you have any sense of how many fatalities there were inside the theater . I cannot tell so far. Numbers vary. I heard a number of 100 people dead inside the theater which seems horrible judging from the screams, the horrible screams that i could hear from people evacuated outside, i can only say that there were a good number of casualties because this was a very frightening situation. You have to imagine this turned into pretty much a war zone right now. There is police everywhere, armed police everywhere. Emergency response units everywhere. Right now, as im speaking, there is about 50 ambulances, vans, ambulance vans, maybe 200 or 300 police in the area. This has been turned into a war zone. Pierre, obviously, these are very early reports and a lot of information we dont know, do you have any sense of how many attackers there were at the theater . Caller sorry, can you repeat that . Im sorry. Please, please. Sorry, can you repeat that . Do you know how many attackers there were inside the theater . I can not confirm the number of attackers. All i know is its a great deal of firepower to get in. There was seven detonations, loud detonations, explosives and then just before that, a few rounds of automatic rifle power. So thats a lot of police trying to get into the building. I dont know how many attackers were in the building but took a lot of police to bring them down. I want to inform our viewers that you can see on the banner on the screen, we have just learned the death toll has been raised to at least 149. Thats 149 dead and again, these are this is still very early hours. Theres a lot of information we dont have. Well be watching that number very closely. Pierre, do you have a sense of how long once authorities decided to move into the theater, could you tell how long that operation actually went on for . I would say up to 30 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes is how long it took from the time that police were in a stand off in front of the building until the time they rushed the inside of the building, i would say 30 to 45 minutes. As pierre was reporting, he said he saw as many as 100 people being brought outside if that is, in fact, true, thats certainly showing that the death toll could have been much higher inside this theater but again, we dont have an accurate sense how many were killed inside. There are conflicting reports on that. Pierre buet, well continue to check in with you. Jim is on the line and joins us now. Jim, youve worked in paris for many years. What are you hearing from security sources . Are you seeing . Well, ill tell you, ive never seen a scene like this, anderson. I just walked past at least 50 ambulances that are parked just about 100 to 150 yards from the bataclan, from the nightclub where this took place. The death toll is clearly what weve been saying, ive never ever seen anything like this. The neighborhood around here is completely sealed off. One of the other things i just seen a couple minutes ago is that they brought in ten city buses that were empty and headed towards the scene and i think thats probably to take out any of the survivors that were evacuated. There were a number of people evacuated from it nightclub by the Security Forces. Now the ambulances are starting to move. Its just a long line probably quarter of a mile long of ambulances that are moving into the scene and i suspect that the death count is going to be horrendous. Anderson . You talked about those buses which are potentially for those who were rescued. Obviously authorities have to be very careful to make sure to search those who are leaving the theater, search anybody who is leaving the theater to try to prevent anybody who may be a potentially involved in this attack from trying to sneak away. Thats one concern of Law Enforcement from a situation like this. Jim, can you explain just the location of the bataclan theater, where it is in relation to and we can put up a map, what part of paris this is in and in relation to how far away from some of the other attacks that we know of. Well, it is not that far away from charlie remembhebdo. It not far from that but a popular area far of night clubs and restaurants and what not and i would say around here on a friday night, things would have been packed. There are certainly a lot of people inside the bataclan for the concert but just in general around the neighborhood theres a lot of its a very popular neighborhood for young people to hang out in and i think that, you know, its also kind of a difficult neighborhood for the police and Security Forces to operate in because its a lot of close quarters in here. I suspect that they had some difficulty just getting units in here once action started. Now one of the things that has been reported by a very respected newspaper here, anderson, there were seven, a total of seven coordinated attacks including the one of the football stadium and elsewhere. It is clearly a major operation that has been planned for sometime. One thing i should say, too, anderson, i think there must have been some kind of an intelligence warning here of some sort because in the last week or ten days here around american and ex patriot locations there is stepped up security, subtle, not major but more army, more police at the various sites around paris where people are located. Jim, there had been reports from bf mtv there were gunmen or terrorists on the loose. Are you able to confirm that . Have you heard that . Do you know . I cant confirm it but i can tell you that thats certainly what the police would be on the lookout for and thats one of the things the president hinted at when he said that he was closing the borders and securing various neighborhoods. They are sealing off neighborhoods in a way ive never seen before basically with cops and army of soldiers with Assault Rifles who are aggressively stopping motor eis in a way thats impressive. I saw one witness where a gentleman came up to one, probably didnt know what it was and the young soldier just pointed his Assault Rifle right at him and said turn around and the guy was quick to do so. They are not taking any chances. There could be other people out there. There could be other attacks planned and they just dont know this for sure. So i think thats one of the things that they are looking at. I should tell you i talked to a woman that survived the attack at a restaurant who she believes, though, she didnt see who the attackers were, she believes they were in a vehicle or in the street shooting into the restaurant then paused to reload, shot again and then left. So if her report is accurate, they were not chased off, no police on the scene when she was able to evacuate the restaurant, just ambulances on the way. Seems like from her account whoever shot into that restaurant whether one or more people and she believes more than one, though again, thats only one eyewitness, those, whoever did that would seem to have gotten away and obviously, that would be People Police are eager to find and looking for right now. Jim, well check in with you. Joining us as well from paris is seth, one of the shootings i understand happened in front or close to the Apartment Building youre staying in. Walk us through what you saw, what you heard. Sure thing. I was walking out of the Apartment Building and i believe the shootings occurred while i was in the elevator. I didnt hear them. As soon as i get outside, this is a man crouched inside the gate of the Apartment Building with a bleeding hand and my first thought is he got into a bar fight or maybe punched a window, bleeding from his hand dripping. Didnt think too much of it. Five steps later i see a bunch of police. Again, looked like normal police activity. Impossible to tell what was going on. There were tons of onlookers taking photos. Nobody clearing out the streets and then i saw cops with guns huddled behind vans and looked like a scene from behind a movie and three dozen firefighters came out of nowhere and blocked the streets for vehicle traffic but still, there were on lockers everywhere. They werent telling people to shew just yet and talking to people and asking what is going on and what did you see. Then you get a drip, drip, drip of information. Somebody said there was a the shooing. Okay, theres a shooting, thats the end of it. More than one person got shot and its a machine gun and hes still out there and you realize there is a machine gun and hes out there and you get out of that neighborhood and run. I got out of there, let me tell you. So seth, do you know which incident was this . This wasnt this isnt the bataclan theater. Is this at the restaurant or one of the restaurants . You know, theres so many incidents, i dont know if it was more than one restaurant but a restaurant thats a Night Club Bar district area full of people. Tons of people on the streets even after it occurred, people gathering not realizing what was occurring. As far as you understood, had the shooting already occurred or was it an on going situation where there was a gunman on the scene . The shooting occurred. I heard reports the gunman was running around shooting other people but i mean, again, youre hearing rumors and things whispered among people who are in the middle of a highly chaotic situation. What the actual truth was impossible to say. Right, obviously multiple eyewitness accounts can differ and word of mouth is like a game of telephone. The weapons that the police had who were on the scene, you said a group of police were behind a vehicle, were they long rifles . Automatic weapons or were they pistols . At first, i saw Police Officers and pretty soon thereafter you see the long rifles and within an hour, you saw Armored Vehicles coming through the neighborhood. Probably came sooner than that but i saw them within an hour, full on swat styled Armored Vehicles as well as what appeared to be military, you know, folks in camouflage with rifles, as well. And did you stay around to see how this the situation that you witnessed, how it ended or did you leave . So i got out of there once i realized there was a guy with a machine gun who was on the loose, and i would recommend anybody do the same. I needed to get back to my Apartment Building at some point so i did a route around about 30 feet from the Apartment Building i was staying in but those were 30 feet i didnt want to cross. I was way too close. I took a very, very long route around and as i was doing that and as i finally came back maybe an hour later, the police had taped and sort of sweeping the sidewalks and the streets, creating a perimeter nobody could cross and right as the police were about to sweep up into where my Apartment Building was i got into the gate. Had a waited a minute later, i would be stuck outside now. Seth, appreciate you telling us what you know. One of the things we learned subsequently after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, the first police on the scene were heavily out gunned and later police with more powerful weapons were able to respond. Julian pe rrarce was in the theater. Can you describe what you saw and heard, julian . The show was about to end. The band was staying for almost an hour and suddenly, we heard gunshots coming behind us and when i looked back i saw at least two men, unmasks men, maybe three, holding Assault Rifles, a. K. Ak47 and firing randomly to the crowd. And so obviously, we all lie down on the floor to not get hurt and it was a huge panic and the terrorists, sorry, shot at us for like ten, 15 minutes. It was a blood bath. They shot at us and reloaded again several times, multiple times and its actually what time i escape because they reloaded b reloaded basically. I wait for the time they reload to run, to climb. I had people around me. It was shocking, huge panic. So they shot at us ten to 15 minutes, very, very long and its about 1,000 people gathering in it and it was overcrowded. I mean, there were no empty rooms. It was sold out, basically. So it was easy for them. So two to three men and cnn confirmed two gunmen were killed, this is the earliest report and two were killed inside the theater. You saw two, possibly three gunman with ak47 style long rifles shooting into the crowd and this went on for ten to 15 minutes. Were they standing around and shooting or moving around . They were not moving, actually, just standing at the back of the scene, the back of the crowd and they were just shooting on the floor because everybody was on the floor and i seen one of the guys, very young, actually, he was like 18 years old, 19 years old maximum 20, maximum and he was executing people on the floor. The person around him was holding rifles down and shooting people. So they were not moving actually. They were just standing at the back of the concert room and shooting at us like if we were birds. Were they saying anything . I didnt hear anything about them. I havent heard. I have some friends who escaped who heard them talking about iraq and syria, but im not quite sure about it but i havent heard anything but the screaming of the people. The gunman, do you remember what they were wearing . Did they have heavy clothing . There were concern about possible suicide vests or anything like that, did you see anything not from what i seen. They were wearing like a jogging, black stuff. I mean, they were all wearing black but no tactical vests, no nothing like this. They were just holding ak47s. Thats all. I havent seen grenades. I havent seen bombs or whatever but it happened so fast. I mean, we were just trying to hide and save our lives. I looked to one guy a few times, one i described to you very young and he wasnt wearing tactical stuff. He was just a random guy. I mean, i met him a few minutes before and never thought he was a terrorist. I know you said your friends said they heard some people speaking, do you know what language they were speaking . Were they speaking french . I believe so. I believe so. Because the friends i talked to said they were talking french between them. So i believe they were speaking french. Julien, when you went to the concert, was there metal detectors or anything when you walked in . Searched by security . Nothing. We havent been searched, body searched, nothing. I just show my ticket. They flash it and thats it. I mean, they didnt look to my bag and didnt look at nothing. Security was very poor. Honestly. And so basically, i mean, the scene youre describing is one basically everybody was laying down on the floor and in the course of ten or 15 minutes, these people were just going around shooting people, executing them point blank. Yeah. Thats the scene that is what happened and hopefully, i was in the front of the i was at the front of the scene so i was protected by the bullets but everyone was panicking and trying to escape. So everybody was walking on bodies to try to climb on the scene to get protection and so i said to the people around me just to play dead basically and we waited, we waited for the time they reloaded the gun to climb the scene and to hide ourself, you know, in a small room on the right of the scene but unfortunately there were no exits in the room, just a closed room so we were trapped so we waited for five minutes. They stopped shooting and they reloaded again and we run on the scene to find an exit and its when i found an exit that i saw the body of a young girl shot twice in the leg. She was bleeding very badly, and i grabbed her, and i put her on my back and we run. We ran together for in the streets for 200 or 300 meters and i found a cab and i stopped the cab and i said to the taxi driver, well, go to the hospital with her. But she was bleeding so badly, i dont know if she make it. I dont know if shes still alive because she was collapsing. How long total were you in the theater . How long did it take you from the time the shots began to get out do you think . Took me 15 minutes from the beginning of the shooting until i escape, so i believe they continued after that. They shoot again inside the theater. We were very lucky. We were lucky few to escape. But i believe, im not sure that they continued to shoot on people on the floor. Were the police on the scene when you left the theater . No, none at all. None at all. When i managed to escape with the wounded girl, two people, we just ran for 300 meters and we didnt see any cops, any policemen. So even 15 minutes after the shooting five minutes after they arrive and they were obviously heavily armed but no, no cops for 15 minutes at least. Julien pearce, thank you and wish you the best. I want to go to the brother for the drummer of the band playing. Michael, what have you heard . I spoke to my brother probably 20, 30 minute after the incident occurred. He had fled the scene to a Police Station and found a gentleman to give him a cell phone and knew my number by heart so he called me to tell me that everything was okay with him, and that basically he had, you know, been performing and heard the gunshots. The whole band heard them before they saw anything and stopped playing, hit the deck and went back stage and exited as fast as they could. And did they at any point see the gunmen or were they able to just get off the stage that fast . He said that they did see gunmen but they didnt stick around for, you know, it was all a flash so they heard, saw second and immediately, you know, bolted backwards to the back stage area. And do you have, michael, do you have any sense of how many people were in the theater at the time . Yeah, its a venue that actually holds around 1500 people according to julian, my brother and it was sold out and at capacity and maybe over sold so maybe more than that. So the number of people who are in that theater could have been very, very high. We had a producer on the scene that said he saw at least 100 hostages leaving the building alive. And were still trying to get an accurate toll for how many people inside the theater lost their lives and an exact counting of what chantranspired. Im glad your brother is doing okay. I want to go to pamela brown and joins us, pamela, what are you hearing . From the officials ive been speaking with, there is great alarm over the apparent methodology and preplanning that went into the series of coordinated attacks at six to seven locations and one counterterrorism official i spoke with today said this has the hallmarks of various tactics from different terrorists groups. With al qaeda the mass casualty and visibility and with isis the small tactical nature and opportunity. So ocho i shafficials here in t havent concluded who was behind this but say that this is International Terrorism but unclear who is behind it. They dont have information about the suspects. As you know, its very fluid. They are waiting to hear from french counter parts to see if there is u. S. Connections. There is great concern this could inspire others in the u. S. , others that may have been planning to launch an attack to expedite and therefore there is increased security in large cities across the United States including new york and los angeles. There is concern that people perhaps they have been monitoring will want to act now after they see what happened in paris and what these apparent terrorists were able to get away with the ak47s and hostages and suicide bombers. Its clear, anderson, a fair amount of preparation went into this and the big question how did this happen in europe . There is a big problem of travelers, people going to syria, getting training and coming back and wanting to launch attacks and this could be Law Enforcements greatest fear with that, anderson. Pamela, the death toll, this is a grim accounting minute by minute were getting more information how many people have been killed. The latest confirmed number is 153 people known dead, just a short time ago it was 149. It is now 153 people known dead from a string of attacks and exactly the nature of all of these attacks, as many as six to seven, we do not fully know. We know what is believed to be a suicide bombing at the french stadium. This attack by multiple gunmen at the bataclan theater and a shooting into a restaurant and youre going to hear from a survivor of that attack very shortly. The other nature of the attacks we are still trying to figure out as you know in a situation like this, often times there is very contradictory information, multiple eyens ws see things from different angles, often times count more gunmen than there may be. Were trying to bring you as much information as we can. I want to show you some video from the soccer stadium. One of the explosions there, the sound of it was caught on camera. Listen in. [speaking foreign language]. You hear the sound, the game continued. No announcement was made until later on. Frances president was at the gym and whisked away and other spectators whisked away. I want to talk to phillip mud, counterterrorism analyst and bob bear, Cnn National Security analyst, phil, when you hear of multiple attacks coordinated in this way and a variety of weaponry used, ak47 style, long rifles according to one witness and potential Suicide Attack at the stadium, other guns used in firing into this restaurant, i mean, in someways its like the attack where you had multiple locations hit sometiimultaneous youll hear comments about the sophistication and this is a large group from a counterterrorism perspective. I would step back and say before we go down the path to say how much were they trained by isis and what Operational Training did they receive . Im stunned by scope and simplicity. If you look at the targets, soft targets, no security spread across a pretty broad geographic area, simplicity of weapons, we dont know the explosives but a lot of weapons are the weapons we would have seen in Charlie Hebdo for example, i say with the value of people who have been affiliated with isis in eastern europe, scope and simplicity strike me first, not sophistication or some idea this was centrally directed by isis. Bob bear, when you look at this, what do you see . Well, what i see is i served in france, anderson, and the difficulty of getting automatic weapons and explosives and realizing how good the French Police are because they are very good and they have been on full alert, they have been all over these communities, the returning from syria and iraq, what really concerns me is they have tightened up security and communications and their ability to get enough weapons and explosives for seven strikes, which is a lot. And i agree with phil, they went after the soft targets where the mass casualties really shocked the french. The french closed the borders. This is huge. Theres not much the french can do about it when you have a military style assault and everybody is able to reload, keep their weapons going and knowing what and hitting targets very quickly within a 30minute window of doing the most damage they can. There is sole sort of coordination here and some sort of somebody knows what they are doing. Paul . I agree and really points towards an established terrorist group isis or al qaeda over 1,000 french nationals have traveled to syria and iraq, many joining with isis. More than 250 returned. Europewide a staggering 6,000 extremists traveled to syria and iraq. 1 ,500 back in europe. Security services stretched very thin. They just cant monitor any but a few all the time, th24 7. This is sometime coming. The president of france warning there was an unprecedented threat they were learning of new terrorist plotting every single week in france. I think one of the Early Warning signs was that terrorist plot in eastern belgium in january. There were isis fighters that returned from syria directed by the isis leadership. They had an arsenal of weapons and explosives. Fortunate l fortunately the belgians got on to them. We saw that in january in belgium and saw that potentially with that tempted attack on the train, fastspeed train heading towards france in the summer, which was stopped by the three american heroes with a link back to isis. We seen isis launch attacks killing 30 british tourists and others and seen isis carry out attack in turkey, killing more than 100 on the tenth of october with those two twin suicide bombings in beirut yesterday. This is a group which appears to be getting much more into the International Terrorism business and given its resource, all those tens of millions of dollars it has in syria and iraq, all the thousands of recruits from the west, all those training camps, this really is an unprecedented terrorist threat in the west is now facing, anderson, on a day where president obama said the isis has been contained, isis has been contain in syria and iraq, the problem with isis is its pivoting towards International Terrorism and a lot of resources and seeing potentially that play out now on the streets of europe on a more and more regular basis. Im just getting a break down of the casualties as we now know them and i just want to read that out to the viewers because its the first break down were getting and gives you a sense of the scope of this. As you know, as weve been saying, the death toll 153. As many as 112 people are believed to have been murdered, slaughtered in the bataclan theater. 14 killed at a cambodia restaurant, 18 killed outside of a bar, four killed at the stadium according to french authorities and four were also killed in an incident at the avenue de la republic. 19 outside a bar and four killed at the stadium and four killed on a different street, as well. I want to well continue to check in with fill mud and bob bear and paul. I want to go back to jim on the scene for us in paris. Jim, as we just got in this break down, you get a sense these numbers may increase in the hours ahead as more people are treated for wounds and as more information comes through but this, at least this accounting is one, two, three, four, five separate incidents we know about at this point. Reporter at least that, anderson. One thing im counting here are ambulances going to and from the nightclub just down the road here and weve been watching as literally hundreds of Emergency Rescue personnel have been going and coming back. Some of them coming back and looking like they were very sad, indeed. We also seen some wounded people come out. They didnt want to talk about what they saw or what happened inside. We tried but they were at least one person was walking away from the scene grazed by a bullet wound on his leg. Its a scene im not sure we really want to describe too much on the air, but you can see as well that these theres a constant steady stream of ambulances. When we came up to the location, there was a line of at least 50 ambulances parked ready to go in to the scene and they have been doing that one by one kind of going in with their rescue personnel. Its rather staggering. Anderson, to say the least. Jim, i talked to, you know, two people or one person who was there, saw at least one of the gunmen got a good look at the gunmen and earlier reports say that at least two gunmen were killed inside that theater. He was unclear how many fatalities were there inside the theater but believe the theater was at the very least sold out if not over booked and holds he said believed it held at least 1,000. I talked to the brother of the drummer who says it holds 1500 and was also over sold. So theres a discrepancy in the numbers of how many people, we dont know how many were killed, how many are still inside the theater who survived and how many were able to actually escaped either before Police Arrived as our eyewitness did or were freed by police. Were still trying to figure out the numbers here because theres a potentially huge number of people who were inside that theater if in fact, its true that it was sold out as two people told us. Jim, well continue to follow with you. The horrific scene unfolding in paris is something france feared since the attack on Charlie Hebdo last january. Hundreds of french nationals left the country to fight in syria and iraq alongside isis and groups making france incredibly vulnerable. I want to bring in a former islamist extremist, my journey out. Good to see you, sorry its under these circumstances. What do you make . Unfortunately, anderson, i concur with remarks, those made by paul. Welcome to the new normal. Such attacks as the president was set in the attacks a few years ago, such attacks in europe will be on the rise and the reason for that is because i believe we cannot simply kill outweigh out of this problem, what were dealing with and i said it time and time again is a fully blown jihadist insurgency that has levels of support as was mentioned earlier, up to 6,000 european born and raised muslims have gone to join isis. This is not an immigration problem. Though, i think germany had for more immigrant refugees than france. This is a european born and raised muslims who are citizens of these countries problem and to tackle that, i think first and foremost, weve got to recognize this problem for what it is, recognize that theres a global Islamist Insurgency and put down a longterm plan to deal with it. Because we never witnessed this type of insurgency before in history. Paul is still with us. The idea that we dont know again how many people were involved in this conspiracy and planning and actually carrying out the attacks. There an initial report as many as five gunmen were killed but thats preliminary and we havent been able to confirm that. At the very least, the idea that were not talking hundreds thanks a relatively small number of people with ak47s, suicide vest with bring an International City like paris to a standstill and country to close borders, thats an extraordinary statement about the power of a few individuals to cause fear and to cause terror in a global city. And we saw it, anderson, on 9 11 with those 19 hijackers changing world history. I think this is another Inflection Point tonight in france. The situation in syria and iraq cannot continue from a western Security Point of view. Isis and al qaeda have a safe ha haven in syria. Isis and libya and increasingly in yemen and has a presence across the region really right now and i think the International Community now has to come together to deal with this threat other wise i fear well get more and more nights with this in paris. I talked to European Security officials on a regular basis. They have never seen a threat like this. They do not have the resources, manpower to monitor the people they need to monitor. There is too many people that have become radicalized by this isis propaganda and too many that traveled to syria and iraq dwu dwarfing the number of people that traveleded to afghanistan and i think were in for a very significant threat in the months ahead, anderson. I do want to say cnn confirmed that five allege attackers are known to have been neutralized. We dont know if that means killed. Were learning according to the Paris Prosecutors Office, thats where that number comes from, the Paris Prosecutors Office is saying five alleged terrorists or gunmen have been neutralized. We dont know if thats killed or apprehended or wounded or in custody. I want to tell our viewers while were live talking live with our guests, most of the images you are seeing are not in fact live, particularly ones that show police climbing up a building. Those are on delay for operations that have already taken place. The picture youre seeing now is live but right before you saw pictures of police climbing down ladders. We dont want to give you the sense were showing operations as they are going on because obviously the concern we have, as everybody should, is that terror groups can be monitoring live broadcasts and giving instructions giving information to the attackers based on what they are seeing on television. One of the things, its interesting while we see this and say this is horrific and disgusting, some people watch this and are encouraged by this and see this, i mean, as a further recruitment tool for more operations. Of course, because isis, weve had hallow symbolic victories, the killing of jihad john got us to a stage where we field as president obama said isis is being contained. Those are symbolic value. Jihad john had no command or control with any significance and isis demonstrated time and again whether attacks with sinai and egypt or attacks in beirut and south beirut against civilians there or paris, they are operationally not only fully capable but even more capable than we imagine them to be. I agree, this is these attacks are a game changer. There will be people who are either supporters of isis or fellow travelers cheering at the spectacles, the terror we see unfolding tonight because for them it proves that isis is alive and well and i fear we had too many Mission Accomplish moments. That phrase that george bush used as president when he declared the iraq war was over and i think the killing of bin laden was another such Mission Accomplish moment and as was this killing of emwazi. What were dealing with is to recognize the success of such operations as in paris now, they attract more recruits because people feel they want to join the winning side and feel this is a fully capable caliphate able to wage socalled jihad against the west. I feel people will celebrate and another type, another group of people will be making excuses and blaming everything on western Foreign Policy when though it has a role cannot in any right mind or way be blamed for some for people shooting as one of your eyewitnesss said, shooting at people like they are birds or hunting. Something terribly wrong has gone on with the value system we have to address head on. Were also continuing to be joined by phil mud and bob bear. I spent time recently about active shooters with the new York City Police department and washington d. C. Police department and they are retraining all police in new york city and washington d. C. To deal with active shooter situations and in particular, the idea of an attack. He is amazed there hasnt been that style of attack in the United States where you have a number of locations hit with multiple terrorists trying to basically paralyze a city attacking soft targets, which is essentially what we are seeing here and when you hear that it took when the eyewitness who we talked to said he thought the shooting he had been in that theater for about 15 minutes before he was able to escape and when he did escape. There were no police on the scene. What does that tell you about capabilities or the way the french Law Enforcement may be stretched because in new york city, they pry themselves on being able to respond to an attack like this within a matter of minutes. Sure, but youre talking about number of targets here across the city that would stretch any security force. Ive dealt with the french in the past. They are terrific at this stuff. They have been the subject of terror attacks for decades. What this tells me is the transformation in the world of terror that in sam ways makes it more dangerous than 2002 and the reason is pretty straightforward. In 2002, you had small cells that were connected to a central organization, that is alibi da. They try to penetrate al qaeda to stop the cells by identifying a very few number of people. In 14 years now, we transition to isis saying all we have to do is to put out terrorist ideology and if ten people, five, six, seven decide they want to follow that ideology, all they have to have is access to weapons and explosives. Thats not something al qaeda would have considered 14 years ago and the real challenge is to say if thats the message, if the message is isis saying go out and attack without central coordination, here is the problem in one sentence, what red flags do you look for to identify the people who might do this . Im not sure i can figure that out. Also, bob bear, its not as if they are attacking high profile targets that would naturally have a level of security. Obviously the stadium would but a bar on a street, a restaurant on a street, this theater, though they might search peoples bags going in, which in this case they didnt seem to, they wouldnt these are not targets that would be top of the list and yet, they are able to hit them and bring a city to a standstill. Anderson, you hit the nail on the head. How do you defend a big city . Everyone new york city, i dont care what the new York City Police say but if you simply drive around town until you see an area where its not being protected, someplace where there is night life or theater or movie theater, doesnt matter, you can get in there and kill a lot of people in a few minutes and the police, even if they can respond in ten minutes, the causeti casualties are done. Were vulnerable as a country. We have the possibility of these fighters coming back who do understand military assaults. Ive been in touch with Law Enforcement just recently and they said these people are here and they do understand how to take down a building and hold off the police until their work is done and they are just getting that much better but you and i talked about this two years ago. If these wars in the middle east continue as they are unabated its going to come here in the United States. It seems like in the United States with active shooter situations, the Police Believe you have to go in as quickly as possible. The most shootings take place in the first couple minutes, you cant wait for Tactical Units but in this case, obviously, when you have an entire theater full of people, potentially being held hostage, its got to be an incredibly difficult thing, do you go in, wait . These are not groups looking to take hostages and have demands met. It seems like they are there to slaughter people. I think thats right. Youve hit on a point that i think is another transformation in the world of terror. These people typically might have Operational Training limited from a group like isis but the emotion of going in and planning an operation like this and getting to the point among your colleagues youre going to storm Something Like a theater and start to murder people left and right, the emotion of the moment means if youre thinking of storming that theater, you got to calculate that the likelihood those shooters are going to stop, the likelihood there is some sane motivation that will hold them back from murdering the entirety is low. They are so emotionally driven by the time they begin the attack that in my judgment, they assume they will be killed. So why not go forward and kill everybody in the theater . If youre storming, sit back and say we got to move despite the risk that were going to kill people as we go forward because we cant always identify quickly. I want to go back to the cnn justice correspondent pamela brown. What have you learned . The fbi releasing a statement at this hour, anderson, saying the department of Homeland Security and burro are investigating and remain in contact with counter parts in the region. At this time there is no specific or credible threat to the United States. I can tell you the fbi has an office in paris. They are busy and at this point, officials here in the u. S. With the fbi are waiting for information. The officials were overwhelmed, anderson, and so at this point, they are also trying to figure out what exactly happened and who could be behind this. There is a level of concern in the United States, anderson, even though there is no specific credible threat there could be copy cat attacks. This is something weve seen or heard from officials the concern of people launching attacks simultaneously on soft targets. Were seeing that playing out in paris so officials here in the United States on high alert and fbi sending out this statements at this hour, anderson . Pamela, in terms of the coordination between the fbi, between u. S. Intelligence and french officials, do we know more about what sort of aid is being offered . Well, as i said, the fbi has a legal office base in paris and other agents. What happens is they work with counter parts in paris, gather the information they can and then send that information back to u. S. Officials. That is happening right now. They are still trying to get the facts, anderson. The u. S. Officials on the ground there, we know they are base in paris and france, as well. They are trying to get the facts before they send it back to officials here in the United States. That process is on going. The french officials have been overwhelmed dealing with this. This is taking a little bit longer than perhaps it normally would, anderson . Pamela, appreciate that. 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