Thats good. But we fell a little behind in iowa. And some people are saying, how could it be . In every poll, this isnt just here, that the people that are with trump are with trump. They dont go anywhere. Theyre staying. Its true. I see it. I see it. You know, a couple of times, they say, well, that could be the end. Then they do something, im ten points up. Its the craziest thing, right . But well take it. That was donald trump just moments ago. In a moment, well run all the numbers in detail for you. First, lets go to cnns sarah murray, whos at the event tonight. It is interesting to see how hes now kind of questioning the scientific merit of some of these polls. Reporter yeah, he certainly is. And you know, you can understand why hes confused, because he comes to events like this, he draws a bigger crowd than any other republican candidate, and he wonders why its not showing up in the poll numbers. As im talking to some of his campaign staff, they say, look, maybe these polls arent capturing our supporters. Trump is drawing a lot of new people into the process. Maybe these are people who have not caucused before who will show up for us on election day. But trump is certainly not pleased with the numbers. He talked a little bit more about the polls tonight, saying, im a great christian, evangelicals let me down, basically saying, its terrible to be in second place. This is not where trump wants to be in the first nominating state, anderson. There had been a question of whether or not he would bypass iowa, give it up, essentially, and focus on New Hampshire and South Carolina, but hes saying tonight hes not going to do that. Reporter yeah, i dont think we have any sense of that here. If anything, trump seems like he wants to work harder to get back in the lead here in iowa, and hes been building a robust ground game. His team has been working for months, teaching people how to caucus, making sure that theyre going to show up. But its clear that if youre not the frontrunner, even if you are, you need to stay in contact with your supporters if you want to make sure that theyre going to show up and actually caucus for you, come february. And he has set his sights on carson in the last couple days. Did he talk more about carson tonight . Reporter hes only made a couple passing references to carson tonight, sort of mocking the idea that ben carson could really be his competition. You heard him just now over my shoulder saying he Still Believes hes going to win in iowa. What i think will be interesting is tomorrow night on the debate stage how he makes this contrast with ben carson. Its an economic, business, taxfocused debate. This is Donald Trumps wheelhouse. I think we can expect to see him make a contrast and say, look, im a guy whos created jobs, im a guy who understands the economy. How is ben carson qualified to deal with issues like this . All right, sarah, appreciate the reporting. We want to get the latest now on the polling, drill down on this, including the evangelical factor as well as new results on the democratic side that could provide a boost for hillary clinton. Chief National Correspondent john king breaks it down by numbers. John, this is the First National poll since early july with trump not in the lead, right . It is, and thats worth repeating. For the First Time Since early july, donald trump is not in the lead of a National Republican poll. Now, its within the margin of err error, so he can say statistically its still a tie, but the cbs the New York Times poll has ben carson at 26 , trump at 22 , then rubio, jeb bush and Carly Fiorina rounding out the pack. Heading into the debate tomorrow night, because trump has said im winning, im the winner, the interesting part will be how does he react to this . Look at the trend line going back a few months, when carson was at 6 , then 23 , now 26 . He goes into the debate coming up. Trump is coming down, he wont like that. The big challenge for the candidates, not just trump and carson, but bush, fiorina and the others. Youre still looking at the two outsiders down here, by far in the dominant position. One of the reasons carson is going up is his support among evangelicals. Look at this, in the poll, carson 10 up among evangelic s evangelicals, donald trump down 12 , one of the reasons the race is in flux at the moment. Im sure the people waiting for donald trump to fade are going to herald this as the beginning of the end. Is there any sign thats actually the case, though . Not so fast. Certainly, hes slipping, hes plateaued, is down in some polls, but he still has considerable strength. Again, if you look at the real clear politics average of the polls in iowa, carson has a ninepoint lead in iowa, which votes first, in just 96 days, so thats good for carson, but iowas history is that it picks somebody, but then New Hampshire and South Carolina tend to actually pick the republican nomin nominee. In those states, trump is plus 16 in New Hampshire right now, on average, plus 13 in South Carolina on average. The question is, as he drops a little bit in the national polls, as he drops in iowa, will there be an effect in New Hampshire and South Carolina . We dont see it yet because of carsons strength. Just to look at the iowa poll, again, if you look quickly, a new iowa poll has carson at 32 , just to show, trump is down there. Hes going to have to make a strategic choice. Hes in iowa today. Does he keep fighting in iowa or say forget about it, let it be, ben carson can be like Mike Huckabee in 2008, move on to somewhere else. Because in iowa, just like we saw nationally, carson is going up among evangelicals, trump is going down. So, one of the key questions for donald trump might be, do i compete everywhere or do i say, see you later, iowa, and focus on New Hampshire and South Carolina . Also on the democratic side, some interesting stuff going on in iowa. An eyepopping number in a new iowa poll. As i show it to you, i want to ask you to discount it just a bit. The Monmouth University poll out today. Look at this, 65 for hillary clinton, 24 for bernie sanders. This is the first poll taken completely post joe biden saying im not running and post her testimony to the benghazi select committee, and that is a whopping lead. Now, just a week earlier, quinnipiac had a strong poll for clinton. She was at 5140. This poll has a methodology that tends to favor secretary clinton, so i wouldnt buy into 6524, but you should buy into the fact that shes had a couple very strong weeks and her support is growing. Te more important number than the horse race, anderson, look at this. In both monmouth and quinnipiac polls, 83 favorable in one, 82 favorable in the other among iowa democrats, very low unfavorable rating. The combination of her debate performance, joe biden saying im not running and the benghazi testimony, Hillary Clintons favorability among democrats is going off the charts, and its helping her in iowa, without a doubt. Incredible numbers. John, thanks very much. Thank you. Well, back to the republican side. In addition to touching on the poll numbers, donald trump spoke briefly tonight about ben carson. Will you get the numbers up, iowa, please . This is ridiculous i mean, what is my competition . In all fairness, in all fairness, what is my competition . Do you think these guys im not going to say carson. Im not going to say rubio, who really is way down. I mean, i am second. Its not like terrible. But i dont like being second. Second is terrible, to me. But do you think that ben is going to go to china . Want to get some Immediate Reaction now from the carson camp. Joining us is radio host and carson Business Manager armstrong williams. Mr. Williams, great to have you on again. I want to you about trumps comments tonight. He said what is my competition . Is ben going to go to china . How do you respond to that . Well, good evening, again. Thank you for having me. You know, dr. Carson only competes with himself, anderson. Dr. Carson realizes that this is a marathon, it is not a sprint. And he is not obsessed with polls, whether it shows that hes in the lead in iowa or any other place. He realizes that this election is way off. And what he has to do is continue to hone his message, introduce himself to iowans, south carolinians in the nations where they make the difference, they make the votes. And what he has to do what he realizes is that the more people get to know him, the more they understand his message, the more they understand his temperament, his judgment, his resolve, and the fact that he is out there, that he is also trustworthy, and its shown in his favorability ratings, that he believes that this is a steady drip, he will continue to do well. And it doesnt matter about the attacks that mr. Trump may levy. We understand thats his personality, thats what hes going to do, and hes absolutely right, he hates being in second place, but dr. Carson doesnt mind leading from behind, leading ahead. He realizes theres a lot of work to be done, he has a lot of ground to cover between now and when the real horse race starts in february, and hes quite confident that not only will he continue to grow in iowa, but he can close the gap in other states that youve shown, like South Carolina and places like New Hampshire. Well, let me ask you, i mean, obviously, hes preparing for the debate tomorrow night. You know, if past is any indication, donald trump is likely to, whether he does it in a nice way or not, try to strongly contrast himself to dr. Carson, given that they are trading places now for the lead here. Does dr. Carson need to respond to trump on that debate stage when hes standing next to him . And you even had donald trump the other day bringing up dr. Carsons religion and sort of, you know, an oblique reference to it, saying he didnt really understand what it was about or know what it was about. I dont want to misquote him. Is that something that dr. Carson needs to respond to when hes on that debate stage . Oh, anderson, the only thing that dr. Carson will respond to tomorrow night on that debate stage are issues about the debt ceiling, issues about how do you close the economic gap in these places like baltimore, ferguson, in these inner cities. How do you make taxes fair for everyone, how do you liberate the poor and make them realize that they, too, can realize the american dream. While we understand that tomorrow, especially given that this is the third debate, people dont want combativeness, they dont want disrespect, they dont want rudeness, they want to see gentlemen who are vying for the highest office in america to show that they have a grasp of the issues. And obviously, mr. Trump clearly feels that the economy and creating jobs and the kind of issues that are being discussed tomorrow by cnbc plays to his strength. But i will tell you, dr. Carson will be no slouch tomorrow. Hes well prepared. Let me ask you, obviously, we were just looking at numbers with john king. In iowa, theres strong evangelical turnout. In past years, weve seen governor huckabee winning, senator santorum winning in iowa. They obviously did not go on to win in other states and to get the nomination. Does dr. Carson believe that after iowa, however he does, whether he wins, or however he places, that he has to in any way change his focus, his message, particularly if he makes it into a general election . Of course, his message will evolve, anderson. Of course, his policies, the more depth. And also, as you get to that point that you just mentioned, hopefully, if dr. Carson is still in the top tier, there will be less candidates on that debate stage, and you will have a more robust debate where you really get really in depth and to the issues, you have more time for responding and answering. So, obviously, as this progresses along, there will be less people vying for that twohour, precious time. And so, that will make a huge difference. It will really give him an opportunity where he does best, getting into the real details of the issues. Armstrong williams, always good to have you on. Appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, well dig deeper into where the gop race now stands and how big of a momentum shift, if any, were now experiencing. Plus, well talk to this guys boss, the South Carolina sheriff whos weighing what to do about the deputy and School Resource officer who was caught on this video. Today the sheriff said the female student hit the deputy. Well ask him exactly where he sees that and if he believes that had anything to do with how the deputy responded and whether it justified this use of force. When a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill . And why stop what youre doing to find a bathroom . Cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be Ready Anytime the moment is right. Plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. 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He says it almost every chance he can in a phrase, im number one. I say to people, when they aways say, you love to mention the polls, nobody else does. I said, thats because theyre losing. Theyre not stupid people. I have probably spent less than anybody else, and i have the highest poll numbers. So, instead of criticizing, i should be given credit for that. Cnn did this really very expensive, very welldone poll. Its only well done because i was leading by a lot. If it wasnt, i would say it wasnt. Were winning everything, everything, every state. Were winning everything i love polls. Everybody knows i love polls. And they said, i wonder what would happen if trump wasnt number one in the polls. And somebody said, oh, if he wasnt number one, maybe hed drop out of the race believe me, im not dropping out of anything. Im in love with polls again, that began changing with the iowa polling late last week, then new National Results today. Lets dig deeper with cnn political commentators ana navarro and a former Reagan White House political director. Shes a jeb bush supporter and friend of marco rubios. Jeffrey, is the Trump Campaign trying to have it both ways . Hes very vocal when hes leading in the polls, constantly pointing at them, now saying theyre unreliable. Well, he said the other day that he took them seriously, that he was paying attention to them. One of the details in this poll, this cbs the New York Times poll that i found fascinating, 55 , according to the poll, said that they were and were talking iowa here were very firm in their support, they had made up their mind, they were sticking with donald trump. 80 of the carson supporters said they really werent so sure, that allowed that maybe they could change their mind down the road. I find that a very fascinating statistic here, and i think its probably indicative of the mindset of a lot of folks there. And i want to point to Something Else trump said about polling just tonight. From the time i announced, ive been at the top of the polls, almost at the top, you know, were doing well. Iowa, will you get your numbers up, please . I heard, i think it was ryan lizza from the new yorker and also with cnn, saying earlier on wolf blitzers show that the establishment candidates, bush, rubio, some of the others, would love it if carson and trump got into a slugfest, and essentially weakened each other and kind of provided a lane for them. Gee, i dont even want to talk about it because im so afraid of jinxing it. Youre so hopeful that will happen. Im so giddy about the idea of that happening, i dont really want to discuss it on air. But look, its, you know, he is right, you know, he has led in the polls for a long, long time, but you know, donald trump has been known to fall in love and fall out of love before, so its not a surprise that hed be doing it with polls. Its going to be interesting to see how he reacts to it, because hes only had leading poll numbers. So, now hes heading into a debate, hes heading into the fall, people are focusing on policy, people are getting a lot more laser focused on these elections coming up in places like iowa and New Hampshire, and we dont know how donald trump is going to react. Is he going to be the same donald trump weve seen for the last six months, or are we going to see a new facet of donald trump . Jeffrey, the big support, obviously, for ben carson among evangelicals, and a growing support among evangelicals. Donald trump likes to say the evangelicals love me, but clearly, they seem to be going for dr. Ben carson. Im wondering if they start to believe that carson is not the candidate who actually could win the nomination and win the presidency, if those evangelicals who are supporting carson would go to donald trump, or if they, in fact, would go to somebody else, a marco rubio, a cruz, somebody else. I think they probably would go to donald trump. One of the things that i think is in play well, first of all, as i have said before, and i was, as i said, talking to somebody in iowa the other day who said to me what ive been saying, that evangelicals are not stick figures. One of their biggest concerns, for example, is illegal immigration, and donald trump is very strong on that. But one of the things that i think is important here thats sort of coming out, if you will, left or maybe right field, is this budget deal in washington and the debt ceiling deal, et cetera, which is already vastly unpopular with the base of the republican party. That kind of thing can only fuel the Trump Campaign, because it says everything exactly about the insiders versus the outsiders. And i think we need to keep our eye on that as we go along and get into this next debate. Do you think dr. Carson is electible in a general election . I think hes got to prove a lot more than he has so far in this primary. I think he has to sound a lot more knowledgeable and present a lot more policy and be more electable by knowing federal policy and about the National Security issues that face this country. But you know, look, i give a lot of credit to donald trump. Sticking to the religious theme, its a small miracle that he has stayed on top in iowa for so long, a place which is all about iowa, where faith is so important. This is a guy whos been nothing but bluster, whos insulted everybody and their brother and mother and sister, and yet, he has stayed on top. He has defied logic, iowa logic. Now, iowas notorious for being a late decider. Sometimes people change their mind on their way to the caucus or in the caucus room itself. So, you know, i think we shouldnt read that much into the polls, but i do think that were beginning to see a trend line, and the hot air come out of Donald Trumps balloon. Ana navarro you know yeah, jeff . One last thought, anderson, that Ronald Reagan lost the Iowa Caucuses in 1980 and went on to win both New Hampshire, South Carolina, and then eventually, over a long period of time, he won the nomination. So, theres a long way to go here, and iowa is not necessarily determinant. Right, and weve certainly seen that with Rick Santorum and huckabee as well. Mccain lost the Iowa Caucuses, romney lost after the recount. Jeffrey, thank you, ana as well. The fbi investigating whether this School Resource officer committed a crime when he did this to a High School Student who refused to leave the classroom. Today the officers boss said the student bears some responsibility for what happened. Ill talk to him ahead. Whei just put in the namey, of my parents and my grandparents. And as soon as i did that, literally it was like youre getting 7, 9, 10, 15 leaves that are just popping up all over the place. Yeah, it was amazing. Just with a little bit of information, you can take leaps and bounds. 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Tonight, the Violent Arrest of a South CarolinaHigh School Student is now the focus of an fbi investigation and a federal civil rights investigation as well. Several students videotaped the incident as it went down inside an lg bra classroom. If you havent seen the images, we want to warn you, they are hard to watch. Theres a School Resource officer slamming a 16yearold girl to the ground, taking her from the desk after she allegedly refused to leave the classroom. The officer was called to the classroom after the student allegedly disrupted class by taking out her cell phone. The officer, sheriffs deputy ben fields, has been suspended without pay, pending an internal investigation by the sheriffs department. And the student, she is facing a charge of disturbing schools. Now, this all happened yesterday. Within hours, the videos went viral. Gary tuchman joins me now with the latest. Youre in South Carolina. What have you learned . Reporter anderson, behind me in this school, a regularly scheduled board of education meeting thats been anything but regular because the first topic under discussion was this incident. Members of the public were allowed to come in today to speak out. It has been very civil. Most people very angry about what happened, but others defending the deputy. Meanwhile, the sheriff of this county says that within 24 hours, at this time tomorrow, he will make a decision about the fate of his deputy. This sheriff, leon lott, says he felt like throwing up when he saw the two videos yesterday, and he saw a third video that was made today, which he says shows more than the other two. It actually shows the student hitting the School Resource officer with her fist and striking him. Now, what she does is not what im looking at. What im looking at is what our School Resource officer did. What was his actions . What did he do . Thats where ill make my determination, based on that. So, even though she was wrong for disturbing the class, even though she refused to abide by the directions of the teacher, the school administrator, and then also the verbal commands of our deputy, im looking at what our deputy did. Reporter the sheriff says, to his knowledge, the teenager at the center of all this was not injured. Anderson . And what do school officials, what are they saying . Reporter well, we got a chance today to talk to the principal of the school, the superintendent of the School District, the chairman of the board of education and others, and none of them wanted to say what they think the fate of this deputy should be until all the investigations are over, but nobody differed from this assessment by the chairman of the board of education. Listen. Yesterdays incident was an outrageous exception to the culture, conduct and standards in which we so strongly believe in in this district. There is absolutely no place in this district or any other district, for that matter, for what happened here yesterday. Our tolerance for it is zero. Reporter it seems very clear, anderson, that among the educators, among the sheriff, that nobody, none of them are blowing this off. Yeah, certainly not. Gary, thank you very much. I want to bring in sheriff leon lott now. Sheriff, thanks for being with us, and im sorry its under these circumstances. You said in the press conference that we played earlier that one of the videos shows the student punching the officer, and i want to play that for our viewers in slow motion. They get a sense of what it is you mean. It does seem like its after the officer has grabbed her around the neck and is moving the desk backwards, about to flip it over, you see her sort of swing or flail with her right hand, and she seems to try to hold on to his shoulder for balance before the desk flips over and shes knocked to the ground. Do you believe that strike was in any way justification for what the officer did . No, i never said that and ill never say that. There is no justification for some of his actions, and thats what were looking at. So, i dont want anybody to think that just the fact that she did strike the officer, thats justifications for some of the actions that he took. How should i mean, look, this is a difficult situation how should a Police Officer have handled this . Well, my feeling to begin with is that the Police Officer should have never been called in the first place. You know, this is something the school should have handled. Bt once they called us there and said, you know, remove her from the classroom, then the officer had to do something. Now, his methods of doing it is what were examining, and thats whats going to determine his fate, continuing as the Deputy Sheriff for Richland County. So, its really his methods i mean, can you say now what methods you believe he should have used, if it actually came to the point where he had to remove her, what he should have done . Well, i really dont want to go into details on that until this investigations finished, and it will be finished tomorrow. But we want to deescalate situations instead of escalate them. When you have somebody on fire, you dont want to throw gasoline on them. You want to put the fire out. And thats what we teach our deputies to do is deescalate a situation so we dont have to use physical force. Thats one option thats there. Theres other options that our deputies are taught when they do have to put their hands on someone, how they do it. And thats what were looking at. Did he follow our proper procedures that were training them to do . And if he didnt, then hes in violation of our policy. Does the age of the student matter here . The fact that this was a minor, should that impact things one way or another . Its not going to impact my decision. My decision will be based on did he follow our procedures. Now, i asked the fbi to come in and do a criminal investigation. That may have something to do with their findings, but my findings going to be based on what he did after he puts his hands on her. Was that our proper procedures that we train our deputies to do. You know. It clearly his size, her size, you know, thats all factors that are involved in this. Youre clearly moving quickly. You hope to make a determination within 24 hours. As you said, you asked the Justice Department and fbi to investigate. Why did you feel necessary to reach out to the fbi, to the Justice Department . Well, our position is to investigate the internal policy. Did he violate them, not the criminal intent, if he had any. An independent agency needs to do that, and theres no one more respected that does a thorough investigation and a fair investigation than the fbi. And we work very closely with the fbi and immediately called them and asked them to come in and do the investigation, contacted our u. S. Attorney and spoke with him and asked him to see if the Justice Department could do a civil rights investigation, and they both agreed, you know. I think the people of Richland County and the people of the world have seen this. They want somebody to investigate this and come up with some answers and find out if he did violate her rights, if he did rilt the law. What im looking at is did he vialate our policies. That will determine his employment here at the sheriffs department. Regardess of whatever you decide, regardless of the investigations, do you hope that, or do you expect to try to be kind of pinpoint in the future between your department and the school when its appropriate to actually call the School Resource officer in, when to call the police in . Yeah, i think thats an issue that we need to address and that the schools need to understand that when they call us in and ask us to do something, our deputies are going to respond. And sometimes, it may be physical force that were doing, because thats what they want us to do. Thats what theyre asking us to do. So, they need to determine, you know, at what time is that necessary, or is this something that the school should handle. And thats some discussions that were going to have with the School District and maybe come up with some better procedures. Sheriff lott, i do appreciate your time, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you. 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Com this is humira at work as we reported earlier, Richland County, South Carolina, deputy ben fields has been suspended without pay after his arrest of a High School Student inside a math classroom. Cell phone videos have gone viral, sparking fbi and Justice Department investigations. The deputy at center of the firestorm isnt new to the job. Hes been a School Resource officer for seven years and has also helped coach the high schools football team. Until yesterday, he was virtually unknown outside his community. Tonight, though, he certainly is well known. Miguel marquez joins me now from South Carolina with more details. So, the officer does have what do we know about his history . Reporter well, look, hes not only been a resource officer since 2008, hes been with the Sheriffs Office since 2004. This is a guy who last year got one of the highest commendations for a School Resource officer in this district, the Cultural Excellence award. This is also somebody who was named in two federal civil rights lawsuits. One of them has been dealt with, and a jury found that he had did nothing wrong and nobody involved in that case did anything wrong. The other one, which also involves allegations of abusive force, is set to go before a judge this january. So, well hear on that one. There are also allegations that theres a racial element to this incident. Youve been digging in on that. What have you found . Reporter look, the people here are very atune to everything that is going on across the country. They see this incident in terms of the other incidents that we have seen, whether in new york or in ferguson or in florida, wherever else across this country, certainly here in South Carolina with the Church Shooting here very, very fresh in peoples minds. And they see all of these things as related to each other. There have been claims that this is a little more than race. There was a board meating, a School Board Meeting that just wrapped up. They allowed a lot of people to speak. A lot of anger from some of the parents there about the racism that they feel is directed at their kids at this school. That said, the sheriff said something very interesting during his press conference today, which was, this is an officer theyve never seen exhibit any sort of racial attitudes, whatsoever, and perhaps most surprising, the sheriff almost didnt want to admit it but said this is a guy who has had a longterm relationship with an africanamerican woman, so he thought, if it cut any way, it would cut toward the direction of the young woman that hes accused of assaulting. So, i think the sheriffs going to give it a good, long think over the next 18 hours and come up with a decision very, very quickly, anderson. Miguel marquez, thank you. Lots to talk about. Joining me, former prosecutor sunny hostin, retired nypd detective harry houck, and michael dorn, former chief of police for the georgia Public Schools system and executive director of safe havens international. Safe havens works with individual schools and School Systems to improve crisis preparedness and campus safety. So, michael, what do you make of this video . What do you make of what you see in it . Well, its hard to get an exact picture just from video, but i will say that what i see depicted is troubling. Assuming if you take the standpoint that the arrest was valid, needed to be made, the techniques used are not consistent with the way officers are typically trained, so it definitely bears scrutiny with independent and thorough investigation, which this procedi proceeding, from what youre reporting. Youre saying assuming the arrest was valid, there were other methods to use that would not have resulted in the same, what we see on the video . Yes, sir. The tech kneelinniques used by officer as i see on the video are inconsistent with the way an officer is trained. If you have a noncompliant individual and you have cause to arrest. In addition, questions have been raised the sheriff mentioned deescalation training. There are evidencebased techniques that can reduce the chances that youll have to this would accelerate to an arrest. And there are procedures, such as we urge our clients to have a broom clear protocol, once it got to the situation where the officer was there and the administrator, the child wouldnt comply. We would clear the students from the room with the staff member to lower the tensions, and then lets have a little bit more discussion when youve got an individual thats not threatening anybody and is simply noncompliant, and perhaps, as alleged, in violation of state law, but theyre not immediately threatening anybody. Harry, how does that sound to you . Well, its a good strategy, you know, clearing the classroom and taking care of the child by yourself, or you know, having a backup come in. I think thats a very good idea and thats what they should have done, but clearly, it shows that the Police Department had no protocol to be able to deal with the situation like that. And of course, the chief had said when he was speaking regarding this investigation. You know, anderson, you dont hear the District Attorneys Office talking about anything in this case. You heard an internal Affairs Investigation thats going to be conducted. All right, tomorrow were going to find out from the chief exactly what theyre going to charge this officer with. And if hes going to be charged with anything at all. The main concern here with the chief when he was talking was the fact that, did this officer follow directions for the Police Department protocol for this incident . So, if that officer gets fired, hes not going to get fired for a criminal case. Hes going to get fired because he did not follow the protocol, you know, or the procedures the department laid out for a situation like that. It does seem, sunny, i mean, when you talk to we just heard from michael dorn, even the sheriff there saying that the fact that hes focusing on the actual techniques that were used doesnt seem to weigh in the favor of this officer. Absolutely not. I mean, i think its very clear, at least to my eyes, having seen a lot of videotapes of Police Takedowns as a prosecutor, of course, i looked at tapes on arrest. Bottom line is, you dont use what he called in his incident report a muscling technique to arrest a 16yearold. It is clear in my view that he uses what is appears to be almost a choke hold and takes her down and tosses her across the room. The Legal Standard is whether or not the force used was reasonable and necessary, reasonable and necessary. Anyone looking at that videotape and every single Law Enforcement officers saying i find it disturbing, because anyone looking at it knows that that was unreasonable and unnecessary. Harry, i mean, the sheriff pointed to the punch, saying, look, that doesnt justify what the officer did. Of course it does you think that it actually does justify of course. I dont know where this chiefs talking from, you know what i mean . The fact that hes punched in the face as hes punched in the face, wow. Trying to pull her from the chair. Here it begins. Let me speak. The victim blaming begins. Shes resisting all the way. I slowed this video down today and i watched it like 10, 15 times. I think that desk went over by mistake as a result of her trying to keep away from the Police Officer but doesnt the punch only occur long after this is already in progress . Yes, it does, but i mean, it looks like shes already on the way to going down. The choke hold. There was no choke hold. What happened was he came behind, around her like this, all right . And he tried to he had her leg and he tried to pull her out of the chair, and thats what it looks like to me. Then she comes around and punches him, and thats when the thing escalates punches him . Yes. Do you think this has any bearing or should have any bearing on how the sheriff decides this case . Because hes saying it doesnt. The sheriff is saying it should not, that hes solely focused on what this officer did, not what she did. Well, you know, again, youve got multiple issues here. This officer under our legal system can actually be tried four different times, twice in civil situations, twice in criminal jurisdictions, federal and superior court, depending on what the facts bear. And those things i know it looks obvious to everybody when you watch video, but ive worked many, many cases where you see video and then you get more information and it does sometimes change what you see. But you know, there is a basic point that if the sheriffs departments procedures, the training methodologies are violated, that could be an area of focus. You know, i think to fully clarify the situations going to require a very thorough and detailed investigation, but the sheriff is talking from a standpoint as a police administrat administrator. What hes going to focus on to take his action, and hes already referred this case to the federal government for an independent investigation. So, sunny from a legal standpoint, the fbi could bring charges separate from whatever determination the sheriff himself makes. Well, absolutely. You know, i think the sheriff is going to make this administrative decision, whether or not this is an officer that should still be working as an officer. The fbi is going to look at whether or not there was a civil rights violation. And im not talking about race. Im talking about unreasonable search and seizure, im talking about everyones Fourth Amendment right to be free from someone taking them and tossing them around like a rag doll. We have that constitutional right not to be seized, not to be searched. And i think the fbi doesnt take these cases on lightly. And so, the fact that this officer has been suspended without pay, the fact that this sheriff is talking about a 24hour decisionmaking process as to whether or not this officer could keep his job, and the fact that the fbi is involved i think really shows you just how serious this officers actions were. Well, thats typical, the fbis going to come in and take a look at this anyway. Typical . The fbi just comes in and every chief of police is now going to ask in a situation like this for the fbi to come in. Come on. And ill tell you right now, the fbis not going to find anything. Do you think hell be punished administratively . Theres a possibility, yes. 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The president having only so many months left in office and he wants to show more progress in iraq and syria than the current strategy is currently getting. And second, russia. Russia certainly throwing a bit of a wrench in the works. A lot of chatter out there, underground, so to speak, that russia and iraq may be cozying up to each other, and the u. S. Wants to show more progress to the iraqi government, keep them in the u. S. Court, rather than having them shift to moscow. So, what are we talking about . In fact, defense secretary carter talking about direct action by u. S. Forces, and that means special Operations Forces on the ground in these highstakes raids, carter saying he wanted to step up the action in places like raqqah, in syria and ramadi and iraq, both isis strongholds. How soon could this start happening . The president still has to approve all of this, but what theyre really talking about is getting ready for it and saying, you know, its opportunistic. 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