They are killers. They are murderers. There is no reason to believe they wouldnt do it again. Theyre going to be more desperate than ever. So we are doing everything we can. Its a top priority to find them. Bring them back. In the hour ahead, we have new insight, as to huh they got out of Clinton Correctional Facility in dannemora. Well hear from a former inmate. More as well tonight on the prison seamstress authorities believe was the getaway, intented getaway driver. Why some are vulnerable to convicts and killers. Our randi kaye in milton vermont. You got to vermont couple hours age the investigators were there before you. Have they picked up any sign or trail of the killers . Reporter no sign yet, john. Officials are stressing they believe they could have planned to come here. But there is no official sighting of the two escapees in vermont yet. I can tell you what a different story here in this state. Compared to dannemora, in new york state where the prison is. For days going back and forth through check points. Had to take a state from upstate new york to cross into vermont. They didnt ask for id to get on the ferry nor did they ask when we got off the ferry. Didnt have to go through check points to get here to the lakeside setup. So i know officials are saying theyre securing the border. Tonight, john we havent seen evidence of that. I can tell you theyre in hot pursuit of the two guys. We saw it today from the air firsthand. Reporter from the air, what authorities are up against is clear. So many places for the escapees to hide. What would you be looking for to help with the search from the air . If there is particular intelligence. The ground guys put us on something. Well go take a look. Other times use the camera and push a sensor wide area search for strategic views. See guys hiding, behind rocks or behind buildings or under shelters if you will. Lit today, Law Enforcement made it clear theyre focusing in on vermont. They received a tip that convicted killers, richard matt and david sweat may have made plans to head to vermont. If they did, from our vantage point, the journey might not have been an easy one. Especially if they were on foot. Lake to the right, other side is vermont. If you got an alert two escapees were spotted what would beat plan of action. Proceed to where we are getting the call out. The overhead. And they meet us up high to stay out of sight. We dont spook them or pin them down. Of even with 500 leads. Pinning them down is no easy task. You can see why it is such a challenge to find the guys from the air. We were looking down on the adirondacks. Thats 6 million acres of trees and heavy woods. And if you look out there in the distance where the color changes at that ridge, thats the canadian border. Just 10 miles away. Were just to the north of the prison. Outer perimeter if you will. We could also see clinton correct,al facility in dannemora. Where the men escaped from. You can see not far from a heavily wooded area. Wouldnt take a lot to disappear into the woods from the town right . Thats correct. They could have gone on to the north up here. All of this towards canada. Could have gone to the south. Or to the southwest. Look at all the mountain ranges out there. And, easy to get lost up in there. Easy to get lost anywhere. So much so search teams back in dannemora today, just blocks from the prison, going house to house just in case they missed something. How can you assist with that . What can you see that they cant . Most of the time for the house to house stuff. We are providing top cover. It is really kind of a show of force, the intent there is to try to pin the bad guys down. Or try to force them to move. So the guys on the ground can see them. A show of force against two men on the run. And the clock is ticking. Randi, the search started in new york. New york is a state with more resources than vermont. Are there any plans to send troopers from new york to where you are . Absolutely john. If necessary. Right now, new York State Police and Vermont State Police are working together in this case. Already, troopers have been called out to patrol some of the campground in the area. Theyre checking to see if there have been any strange burglaries and asking campground goers to make sure they provide identification as well. Theyre going to be putting police boats out on lake shambehind me. Passing out leaflets telling people all they can about the two on the run. Checking boats as well out on the lake. The trouble is that they think theyre here. Possibly in vermont, but still, john they dont know where in this state they might be. Yeah thing, possibly it is a big state. Randi kaye, thank you. Perspective from three people who know fugitives. Lane depaul former commander of the u. S. Marshal, Regional Fugitive Task force, robert fernandez, currently runs a similar task force covering the washington, d. C. Area and darren gi llio chief investigator for the Firm North American investigations. I want to start with you. It is your information that says investigators are looking beyond new york beyond vermont and theyre following up leads in three other states as well. What does that mean . Well john certainly an intense manhunt. But also a fugitive investigation. Its certainly with information and intelligence that is coming into the task force, theyre going to send leads all over the world if need be. There are other states in question. Im not part of the investigation. I am sure that they saw it necessary to send the leads to a few other states to maybe look at some people do some interviews conduct surveillance. Not saying that these two guys are there. We dont know where they are. Vermont, new york mexico we have no idea. Folks need to keep that in mind. To be clear, you are getting this from people connected to the investigation. Youve will not tell us the three states that they have expanded to at least to investigate right now because there is a fear that these fugitives could be watching the show correct . Good possibility. One never knows. But there may be more than three states. Not sure where any leads are going beyond that. But theyre certainly covering their tracks. Theyre not leaving any stones unturned john. Robert want to turn to you here. You have some confirmation of what lenny is saying right now, investigators are following up leads in at lest threeast three states. Following hundreds of leads at a time. What degree of resources are needed to follow up that kind of information . Well there is a lot of resources needed the i just want to be clear that lead going out to other states. It could be something as innocuous as talking to a distant relative. They say, okay this person lives in such and such state. We send out a lead for someone to go out and interview them. Doesnt mean the people were seen in any of the states. And, as a matter of fact the focus on vermont. We have to keep in perspective. The entire country need to stay vij legislator vigilant. If you had a plan would you still go . How far on five days could you get on foot or in a car . I dont want people in california or texas to say the suspicious guy that checked into the hotel next to me. Thats not him. These guys might be in vermont. We dont know where they are. See the tipline. Call us if you know anything. When you get hundreds of leads. Can you possibly follow up on every one . Absolutely. Absolutely. We have task force as cross the country. Network across the country. We are working hand in hand with the new York State Police. And we have literally thousands of of u. S. Marshals and federal state, local Task Force Officers that are assigned to our task force that can respond immediately on any lead. And these are experienced fugitive investigators. Darren you say that these fugitives might try to blend back in to the general population. Why would they risk that coming into can tact with anyone at all. If they did make the decision how would they go about blending . As time goes by that becomes more realistic situation. Te manhunt. All the Law Enforcement personnel are able to catch the people before theyre able to blend into society. But, you know they have to make a decision. Are they going to be off the grid or going to blend back in into regular population. Is it going to be a. Lated city or not. How are they going to do that. The first job they get is to become an actor. You have to assume a new identity. Whether that is going to also be with paperwork. A lot of complications that the fugitives face if they want to blend back in. A difficult thing. It can be done. I think with the way that this manhunt is going, im confident that theyre going to be caught. Robert if they do try to blend in change their appearance. What is it that might be the hard part. They have tattoos, guys have two. David sweat has tattoos on his hand. One thing to wear a shirt cover your tattoo arm, chest. Your hands could be a give away. Absolutely. And i think this is a marvelous chance. I could i could do the work of 10,000 detectives right now. If anybody watching this works at a tattoo removal place. Look at the tattoos. If you remember seeing either of these guys come in to get their tattoos removed or work at a Tattoo Parlor wanted to get them covered. Call the police. Call us. In the future if these guys come in. Dont try to stop them yourself. Diskretcreettely go some where. Call 911. Guarantee you an army of patrol officers will respond. That should extend further. I have gone after escapees at a ymca and a quadruple murder he ended up at a homeless shelter. Homeless shelter soup kitchens. Ymca emergency medical workers. These guys if theyre on foot up there, they have broken an ankle or have a need stitches. Keep an eye. Look at these pictures. It is up to you the public to call in with information. We need your help. Be alert. Lenny depaul ronnie fernandez, and make sure you can set your dvr and watch ac 360 when you like. Breaking news on past fears that richard matt would stage an escape from his murder trial and what he is capable of. Two people who can tell us what turns people into killers like matt. You will hear from Richard Matts accomplice who watched him torture and murder a man. Two experts on the mind of a killer. Well ask if knowing how they tick, how the killers tick offers clues into catching them. You know our new rope has actually passed all the tests. Were ready to start with production. Ok, are you doing test markets like last time . Uh, no were going to roll out globally. Ok. Well start working on some Financing Options right away. Thanks, joe. Oh, yeah. 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At his trial in 2 008 there were snipers on the rooftop, and the buffalo news is reporting on action they took back then to head off any attempted breakout. We are joined now by phone. Lou, you say there was actually a plan a plan for richard matt to break out during this murder trial. Explain. Thats correct, john. His, matts attorney at the time christopher privatera complained there was such a large presence of Niagara County deputies in the courthouse when he was tried for murdering and dismembering the body of that 76yearold businessman, his former employer. But what was not known at the time was that the Niagara CountySheriffs Department had received credible information that a third party was going to attempt to break him out, bust him out of the Niagara County courthouse in lockport new york. It never happened because of the extreme security provided by the deputies. You are getting information now there was a plot to break him out of this trial when it was happening in 2008. Any indication from the people you r are talking to who ever was behind the plot back then in 0 08 might be connected to him now and connected with this breakout . No indication that way. None at all. There have been reports that he is you know currently reached out to people with a cell phone to people that he knows currently. But nothing, you know, i wouldnt beep sur surprised if it is his same collection of acquaintances. When we was in the courtroom, the deputies fitted him with an electric stun belt to thwart him from any type of maneuver to escape. This guy is high as i said last night. Highly intelligent. And you cant put anything past him. Clearly not. If nothing else it shows you the level of concern there has been about him for years and years now. Lou michel. Thank you so much. Lets get more on what richard matt was convicted of at the trial. In 1997 he kidnapped his elderly former boss. What happened next is both hard to stomach and tough to imagine. For one person though, one person still alive that is what richard matt did to that man is not the stuff of imagination. It is living memory. Talking about his accomplice lee bates who watched it happen and served time for his part in making it happen. He spoke here with anderson last night. People described him as psychotic. He is obviously a killer. Can you explain what what you have seen him do. What you know he is capable of . The better definition is evil. If you wanted to take a picture of the devil thats the face that you would see. He did kill mr. Rickerson, his old boss in my presence. I understand he tortured him. He i mean he did terrible things to him before finally killing him. Can you explain a little bit tee peopletee little bit to people what he did . Tortured is an understatement. He used duct tape to tie mr. Rickerson up. He beat him with anything everything he can, a knife sharpener, a security device the club for my automobile he physically grabbed mr. Rickersons hands. Pulled his fingers back until they snapped. This is while he was duct taped in the trunk of the car . Even before richard matt had beat on him in the house, and in attempts to find mr. Rickersons money. Then carried him to my automobile put him in the trunk and peer oddriodically over the almost 30 hours we were on the road would have me stop the car, pull over begin asking mr. Rickerson wheres his money. I want i want your money. And beat him. And and yeah. Eventually when he opened the trunk and mr. Rickerson told him ill take you to the money, let me out. And richard matt there then said you have been playing games with me. I dont believe you. And in a fit of rage he reached into the car, grabbed mr. Rickerson by his head and snapped his neck in front of me. Almost unbelievable description of richard matt. It actually happened. Two people who probe the dark corners of Human Behavior former lapd psychologist chris mahandi, and top fbi profiler mary ellen otoole. When you hear the description of how brutally richard matt tortured and murdered his boss what goes through your mind . Well my sense is as i listen and read about him is that this is someone who is probably psychopathic. That has some very specific meaning. The level of violence that he shows that he engaged in is really at the extreme end. Almost off to the point of being sadistic. And violence for him is not just a means to an end, but actually more likely that it is something that he enjoys because it it enables hem to con ss him to control and dm natedm dominate people. The sadism sets him apart. One thing about psychopathy, all these people have no conscience for their behavior. Without a conscience. They feel no guilt for what they do. Makes anything in the world possible including sadistic behavior like you have seen in his prior cases. His level of danger nusness is truly at the extreme end of the continuum. Bates said matt killed people and smiled about it. What kind of person does that . Well what we are talking about is a stone cold psychopath like mary ellen said. He is sadistic. He enjoys it. The power and domination over other people is extremely important to him. Whether thats physically or by pulling another persons emotional heart strings so he can get what he wants and using people. This is a man who knows how to charm and manipulate and will keep people around him as long as theyre useful. There may be people around him now helping him. But when he is done with them he is done. And like mary ellen said, i agree, he is capable of anything. He will not just throw you away. He will destroy you when he is done with you. Stone cold psychopath. Stone cold psychopath. The question becomes for now, does it mean he is more likely to make a mistake . Is it easier to spot a person like this on the outside, chris, or perhaps tell you hell do anything it takes to stay on the loose . Hell do anything it take to stay on the loose. Hes got a taste of freedom. Hes all about feeding his ego. Getting what he wants right now. He will do everything he can to blend in. He will use people. But psychopaths are frequently im impulsive impulsive. They may have a good plan and be extremely bright like him up to a point. Then they start making mistakes when it comes to the longer term planning. Thats where we have opportunity. There is people he will be manipulating. If you are near this guy dont believe anything he says when heap is done hes done. And you are at risk. You are in danger no matter what he says. Theyre always lying. Mary ellen, any insight on how to catch him . At this point people are saying he is he is exhausted, he is worn out, he is fearful. But that is not consistent with psychopathy. Theyre remarkably resillientresilient, optimistic individuals though being chased by hundred of Law Enforcement, the other thing they have a very low threshold for fear. So what would cause you and chris and i to be extremely fearful, he is not at all afraid. And the most dangerous part of it is he will engage in this gratuitous violence if he comes across someone not because they keep him from getting the car that he wants to carjack, because he is someone who engages in violence because he enjoys it. Mary ellen otoole, chris mahandi, thank you. Terrifying. Ahead, well dig deeper what chris touched on. Joyce mitchells relationship with the two killers on the run. Why would she even want to help them . What her family members are saying. Thats next. Heres to the explorers. Those diagnosed with cancer who explored their Treatment Options by getting a comprehensive Second Opinion at Cancer Treatment centers of america. Call today or go online to schedule your Second Opinion here. Learn more at cancercenter. Com my name is Jeff Richardson the Vice President of operations here at c. K. Mondavi. To make this fine wine it takes a lot of energy. 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I spoke to Paige Mitchell her daughter in law at length this afternoon. She heard allegations and read a lot of reports out there. She said john that 95 of what she is reading and what she is hearing she said is simply not true. First, i did ask her about that allegation that her motherinlaw had befriended both richard matt and david sweat. She talked about that. Here is her First Response to that. It is appalling to me. I am disgusted any one would think she had a relationship with these men and that she would knowingly help them. I also asked her about that allegation that that Joyce Mitchells cell phone was used in some way to call some of Richard Matts friend some of his associates. I asked her about that as well. This was her explanation. She said, i believe she was persuaded to can tact ed tod to con ed tod to Contact People for him who knew about an art piece. John. We have the notion. Investigators are saying the men used power tools to make their escape. Did mitchells daughterinlaw have anything to say about that . Most certainly did. Remember the allegation somehow, someone slipped them power tools to break through the cell wall. The allegation perhaps her motherinlaw was involved. She spoke about that. She said absolutely no way she would give them power tools. There is no way its just ridiculous. She said she also talked about that allegation that you heard about that once they had escaped into that manhole, that sunny was going to be the getaway. She was going to help them once they got to the other end. She talked about that as well. Saying that is simply ridiculous. As you know she checked herself into hospital over the weekend because the whole thing was so stressful. When i asked her about that had her motherinlaw been released. She was stressed and released from hospital over the weekend. And as soon as that happened. She was questioned. John. All right. Very interesting. Jason carroll. Thank you so much. Joining me now is some one who knows firsthand what life is like inside the Clinton Correctional Facility. Kasimiro torres spent 16 years and 18 months in clinton. He helps former inmates get back on their feet after prison. He joins me tonight. Kaz, you spent time at clinton. One of the Big Questions now has to do with prison worker Joyce Mitchell. How much contact not talking guard. People that work at the prison. Trade people or tayloril tailors. How much contact did they have with prisoners . I worked in the tailor shop. I may have worked with her. She looks familiar. Im not sure she is the same person for sure. But basically the person would be the person you go to for certain instruments or for any particular work issue you have. You would go to the civilian that runs the tailor shop. You have pretty good can tact with them. Any one monitoring that contact. Would you be alone . Correctional officer there. Always. From my experience not overly observant. Just casually observing. It wouldnt be impossible to have a private conversation . Not at all. I have spoken to the civilian many times out of the ear shot of the officers. Could one of the people bring in tools for instance . Look we dont know how the prisoners got the power tools that allowed them to degree through the walls or break the walls. Is it possible that someone who worked in the prison could get the tools to the prisoners . I would probably depend on the individual and what department they are working in. But then again you have to understand that the facility is pretty much provide whatever is needed. Whenever there is something missing, whether a tool or a piece of metal, they imed me yetmed immediately lock everything down and do an investigation. If they know it is missing. Thats the whole thing. When i heard the two individuals had tools and all the tools were accounted for, i immediately said to myself somebody gave it to them. The only way . That would have to be the only way. These two inmates were in the honor block. Right. What kind of privileges would that provide . The cells are not locked like they are in the regular companies. Not saying theyre not locked in at night like everybody. But i know for the most part they have a lot more freedom. At a minimum the two inmates would be able to talk to each other more freely in public without raising eyebrows. Maybe they would be monitored as closely when theyre in the honor block . No i dont think they would be monitored. This is the point of the honor block. The men, broke out of this prison. Audaciously, brazenly then all most seem to mock everyone involved. They left a note. That said have a nice day. Right. What do you make of that . I would say that to me that speaks certain level of confidence for whatever reason. It could have been you know whatever plan they had was well worked out. You know it could have been because they had not just a plan to got out, but a plan to stay out. Or something on the outside to help them. When all is said and done here were you shocked by this that someone could do this get out of this facility . Or to you was this a matter of time . I was a little shocked. Clinton is notorious for the wall. A very large wall. And it is something that is overwhelming. You know it is a very big wall in terms of length height and it just seems like the appearance itself any maximum security appearance when you are in there seems like it is inescapable. Clearly it is not. Unless you go under it like they seemed to do. Cas torres thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Details coupled with the help they may have had from the prison seamstress if they did. May look like something out of the movie. Until you lack atook at things. Erik menendez married a woman, who started writing to him, saw him on tv. On trial for killing his parents, convicted serving a life sentence. What makes some one get into a relationship. 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Its a big thing. You wouldnt think so. Reporter the women who will never know what it is look to do dinner and a movie, because their spouses have no hope of getting out of prison. Gacy and ted bundy, in relationships before put to death death. Who would decide to get involved with a prisoner . This is 40yearold chelsea morningstar, boyfriend charles at a maximum security prison in delaware for armed robbery. Incarcerated since 2005. Theyve been together a year. Why date someone in prison . Because the option is not to date him at all. Nobody else makes me happy the way he does. And, so if its worth it to put up with garbage that comes along with him being in there. Reporter chelsea knew him before he went to prison but they werent together then. It was only after heave was behind bars that she made the conscious decision to get into a relationship with him. He makes me a better person. I make him ape. Better person. Reporter a host of web sites, convicts make connections with inmate passions and meet an inmate. With pictures profile. David in a texas prison writes im an easy going, goodhearted man who knows how to treat a woman. William at a facility in michigan says i am a goodfearing man lacking for a friend some one done to earth and into keeping their word. And daniel locked up in ohio writes i have a warm personality and find it easy to make friends. I love to cook and like to write. Experts say oftentimes there is a psychological condition associated with those who seek out convicts. It is the sexual attraction to some one who is committed a terribly outrageous act. Usually, the more violent or heinous the act the deeper the attraction. I would prefer he not been prison the i would prefer he be here and we be able to have a normal relationship. Reporter chelsea says she didnt deliberately seek a prisoner to fall in love with. It just happened. Like it has between so many other women and their partners. People most would never associate with tenderness and affection. Dan simons cnn, san francisco. Thank you to dan. Sheila eisenberg author of ebook women who love men who kill. She interviewed dozens of women married to death row prisoners. Sheila eisenberg jinz meoins me now. We dont know the exact nature of the relationship between Joyce Mitchell who worked inside the prison and the two convicts. We have to be careful how we discuss it. I guess what i am curious about though is there is a difference between the relationships women who work inside prisons have perhaps, women who write letters and fall in love or devil of a relationship from the outside . That is a good question john. I would think they have a lot in common. Because the main pro poen enlt ofpoen proponent of the relationships is a lack of normalsycy and the women who work in the prisons wont find the prisons exciting. But what they find exciting is the lack of freedom that goes along with the relationship inside the prison. The secretiveness, the hiding behind closed doors, the keeping things hidden from the guard and the other prisoners. I think it is the secretiveness and the excitement, the forbid forbidden nature of these relationships common to all these women. Who has the power in a relationship like this . The convict . Or the woman . Its the woman. My research showed me that this was the first time for many of these women that they were in power. And they were on top basically. For example, if a Woman Working in a prison decides to help a prisoner in any possible way, maybe escape or getting special privileges or Something Like that or if the woman outside of prison prison has a relationship with a prisoner and accepting collect phone calls, or making visits or acting liaison with his lawyer she has got the power. She can act. She is the actor so to speak. He is the passive person. And for many of these women, this is the first time in their lives they have been active. That they have been in the power position. Then what can the convict do . What powers does the convict have in this relationship . Part of the word convict is con. Convicts are generally con men. And they con the women. They sweet talk them. They put the women on a pedestal. They give them the kind of attention, affection and kind of youre the only one. You are the center of my world. Kind of attention that that women dont no one gets in the real world, outside world. The outside world is messy. There is work. There is children. There is problems. There is real life. When a convict is inside and he has got nothing to do but concentrate on the relationship. He can write love letters, love poetry do paintings, and spend hours and hours, wooing this woman. And conning her into thinking she is the center of his universe. And she may, may well be. Sheila eisenberg. Thank you for joining us. 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You had 150,000 way done here particularly after the president withdrew all troops in 2011. But just in last year. Look at how much we have come up up from zero june of last year. Isis swept into iraq from syria. To 3,000. Now 3,500. The trend line straight up. Not where it was a few years age it keeps going. Will the number 3,500 we able to do what the administration wants them to be able to do . What are your sources saying . Will they effectively train the iraqis . Will the iraqis turn out to be trained . The officials i talked to are confident they will be able to accomplish the task at hand. Lets keep in mind what the task in hand is. No one is expecting them to turn the tide of battle or have iraqi forces taking back the ground from isis. They do expect it will get the sunni tribes involved in the west. Basically stop this from being a purely shiite on isis battle. Government in baghdad. Make it more national battle. Iraqi battle against isis. Listen john no one i talk to in iraq, none of the u. S. Commanders talks about this being a fight of weeks or months. Theyre talking years. When you think of the trend line. You wonder how much it is going to continue to rise when you are talking about a battle going on for several years. 3,500 now. Where will it be a year from now. Thank you so much. Thank you. Turn to a dire situation in louisiana, flooding left hundred of homes underwater. The red river at the highest levels in 70 years. Governor Bobby Jindall declared a state of emergency. Pictures give scope of damage. The real devastation on the ground where the battle is being fought with stacked sandbags and crossed fingers. Jennifer grey reports. Reporter a view most homeowners who live along the red liver in boger city louisiana, never hoped to have. Swollen, overflowing its banks, swallowing up docks, homes, cars everything they own. This is the highest the river has been since the 1940s. We just came from the channel out there in the river. Its normally around 20 feet. 72 feet deep. We took a boat ride along with boger sheriff parish to get a firsthand look at the damage. Boating down the street. See the mailboxes there. How deep the water is. The sheriff says more than half a million sandbags have been used. Mainly filled and distributed by local parish inmates. As residents try to build a wall around their home desperately trying to keep the water out. Dusty williams and his dad have been working around the clock like so many families here stacking sandbags and pumping water trying everything they scancan to keep the rising water at bay. Every time we got a forecast. We come back in. Add sandbags. Working 24 hours a day. Friend. Family. Cant be more thankful to them to help us. Because there is no way we could do it all day, all night by ourselves. Reporter for them it has worked. But for some they werent so lucky. Hundreds of homes in the area have been impacted. The worst filled chest high with water. Residents living along the river side of the levee say they knew there was a risk of flooding when they moved in. But when they were willing to take. Its a beautiful piece of property. You cant, whether you build on the bayou, creek, river. It could happen. It will be months before the river reaches its normal level. Residents completely dry out. They have been in for the long haul. This is going to continue to be a long haul. Though the water begins to recede. They have to continually run generators get fuel. Man the pumps 24 7 until it gets below the sandbags. Still a long way to go. Long way to go. Meteorologist Jennifer Grey joins us from boger city. Jennifer pictures are frightening. What are the people there telling you theyre most concerned about right now . Well you know rain is in the forecast end of the week and the weekend. Of course, and inch here 1 2 inch there. Not what theyre most concerned about. Their biggest concern is actually if a tropical system develops in the gulf of mexico in the next four to six weeks. And dumps, four six, eight inches of rain across portions of louisiana, even texas. That would be their biggest concern. And cause this river to rise even more john. Well be watching the skies for some time. Jennifer grey. Thank you. Well be right back. Sweat and richard matt focusing not exclusively but more intensively on vermont. U. S. Marshals are also now seeking information from authorities in three new states seeking out any possible connections to the killers. Trying if possible to seal off any avenues of escape. Were going to put the tipline number up at the bottom of your screen. Thats the number to call if you see or know anything. But do please bear in mind that your First Priority should be staying safe yourself. Of course cnn will cover this throughout the night. Well keep you posted on all the latest developments. 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