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Just back from a trip on one of the search vessels. Talk to me about how difficult it is the conditions out there, the search for the wreckage and the victims. Its been slowed down by this rough weather. Reporter anderson you can see its glorious weather on land here at the moment. That Means Nothing out there. The military helicopter thats taking off behind me right now, a group of muslim clerics on board, a group of imams who will fly over the search area and say a prayer for those victims who lost their lives in that airasia crash. Now, on sunday we had a chance to get right into the middle of that search area sector four, with one of the search and rescue boats and see exactly what those weather conditions were like. Theyre not good. Sunday was supposedly better than most other days but it was still very windy. The wind the waves were very high. The crew was looking out to see if they could see anything with the naked eye. I was looking as well. And if you saw something, it could disappear within a second behind a wave. And then you wouldnt see it again. It is very challenging. One of the crew members did spot something. They called it in. Then another larger boat came and picked up a seat from the aircraft showing just how important it is that they do have plenty of eyes on the surface of the water. But, of course its under the water that they really want to get to see. We know the u. S. Is deploying sonar at this point. Divers are struggling. Zero visibility were being told. As you can see with these conditions we saw on sunday just how choppy this sea is. You dont expect it to be calm. It is the middle of the java sea. But this is the middle of the monsoon season and officials here are telling me the weather is by far, the biggest obstacle in this operation. Anderson . I understand the ship you were on relatively small from the other craft out there, you had to turn around after completing only half of the mission. Reporter thats right. The mission was to transfer a pinger locater to one of the larger ships thats able to stay out at sea the entire time. They just about managed to do that. The expert who was supposed to jump across between ships didnt in the end because the ships were banging together and it was simply too dangerous. They also tried to get the inflatable boat across which is needed to operate this pinger locater. That failed as well. So we know theyve headed out again on monday to try and carry out that mission. The largest ships are doing the bulk of the work here. We know the u. S. Has two ships out there at the moment. Helicopters on board. Its a Real International effort. Youve got russia france australia, malaysia singapore, to name a few, with a lot of assets in this search. Unless the weather significantly improves all the best equipment in the world really has some serious limitations, anderson . Yeah. Appreciate the update paula. Paula hancocks. Some very difficult condition ss. They can do what divers often cannot. However, Stephanie Elam reports even these maritime versions are not super human when it comes to operating in rough waters. Theres no line to the surface. Theyre totally autonomous. 1600 pounds of technology plastic and foam withstanding the pressure of diving 20,000 feet below the surface. This 3 million auv or autonomous underwater vehicle belongs to the institute. This one is built to float. Every bit of weight added has to be counter balanced. Its little tiny tiny microglass spheres encased in epoxy. Oh, wow you cant see them. Larger glass spheres encase the technology. A computer on the bottom side of here that runs all the flight code tells the vehicle which way to g it keeps track of the mission, logs a lot of the data. Reporter with these battery s s, auv can stay down for 16 hours. While there, it also measures temperature. With those two measurements we can calculate the speed of sound and water, important measurement when were working with sonars. Reporter also on board mapping vehicle, instrument that you want working every time. Reporter to get the mission under way, a command is sent to the auv that gets picked up by this device. Once everything checks out and we have good navigation on the bottom well hit the go button. Reporter 80 to 100 feet deep, the java sea presents its own challenges. Huge swells could make retrieving the unit from the open water challenging. We have to get it close enough in to the ship to hook it but far enough away we dont want it bouncing off the ship. Theyve got it. Its locked in. Here we go. Reporter they can swap out Technology Based on the mission. That part has evolved with time. One thing that hasnt change sd each mission is a very slow process and then it takes time to doe download the data and then analyze it. Stephanie elam cnn, off the coast of california. This of course is david gallos specialty. Flight 447 and cnn analyst with us as well cnn aviation analyst and private pilot miles obrien. Indonesian authorities are trying to confirm they found what they think is the tail of the plane. Do we know exactly what is contained there, in terms of the black box . Is it the flight data recorder . What would be there . Well you know it depends on how much of the tail they got. On this version of the airbus 320, the black boxes are up a little bit further in the aircraft. It depends how much of that tail section they got. And hopefully, they did get a part of the tail section. Even that part has not been confirmed yet, anderson. Miles, there are thousands of this kind of airplane in use, the airbus a320. The idea this crash could have been because of a flaw is pretty scary, considering how many people are flying on these planes every single day. It make it is harder to understand why efforts to install Something Like Live Streaming track rg moving so slowly. A lot of resistance to this anderson. I think, really when you get down to the bottom line it is the bottom line. Airlines dont want to spend the money. Its technologically possible to send out streams of data when an aircraft is in trouble. We would know all these important answers right now. Yes, the family tragedy is bad enough but there is the possibility that there is some kind of flaw that the whole world needs to know about right now. Airplanes are flying with them. And thats why this has to stop. You know david, i keep thinking about these divers rough conditions. You have huge swells on top, currents underneath. Zero visibility and all manner of twisted steel and debris that could cut a diver, seriously injure a diver, trap a diver. It would be horribly dangerous to be around a wreck like this with all the jagged edges as you say and even more so to enter it to find the black boxes or remove the bodies trapped inside. Its a horrible situation to be in. And, you know, its not something thats going to go away in a day or two. It will probably take days for the currents to settle down maybe even longer for visibility to improve. David doesnt some military aircraft have black boxes that essentially eject from the aircraft itself . They do. Why wouldnt civilian airliners do that as well if part of the danger for diver sincere to enter the wreck to get these boxes . Another good question. A fundamental misunderstanding what it takes to work beneath the surface of the sea. We talked last hour about how airasia was not licensed to fly on sunday four days during the week but not sunday the day the flight actually took off. You think this raises broader questions about how the airline itself was operating . I dont think its actual lyly going to be a direct, contributing cause to this accident that somehow this additional aircraft overwhelmed the air Traffic Control system and made it difficult for them to evade the weather. I dont buy that. But i do think it says an awful lot about how the Airline Might be operating and how the regulators may be operating, or not so well in that part of the world. You know aviation safety is all about a million tiny little technological things that you have to get right. You have to dot every i and cross every t. When you look at the face of things and see that theres an i that isnt dotted or theres a Weather Report that was nonstandard, all those things start to add up. And that begins to erode what we call aviation safety. David, in terms of the conditions obviously if its too dangerous for divers can robots can undersea vehicles can they be used . No. Its shallower water. Zero visibility is still zero visibility. Thats right, anderson. I thought initially our ov which has a cable attached to a ship would be okay. But its not. You have to hold a ship fairly still and under these conditions thats tough. With those currents at the bottom tough. Even with the auvs, like the one we saw in the clip those will get pushed around by currents. Theyre not equipped to handle highspeed currents like this its a catch 22 in many many ways. And the monsoon season lasts through till april. David gallos and miles obrien, appreciate it. What a 7yearold girl is facing after surviving a plane crash that claimed both her parents, her sister and cousin. Youre only young once. Unless you have a subaru. announcer the subaru xv crosstrek. Symmetrical allwheel drive plus 34 mpg. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. Well, a mortgage shouldnt be a problem your credit is in pretty good shape. Pretty good . I know i have a 798 fico score thanks to the tools and help on experian. Com. Kaboom. Well, i just have a few other questions. 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And got ahold of a Police Officer and fortunately they were real close to the house. Tonight, sailor gutzlers hometown is in shock. George howell is there for us. Youre in illinois tonight. How is the community dealing with this . Reporter you know anderson it really is sort of a mix of emotions here in this town. On one hand people are celebrating what many call a miracle, the fact that this 7yearold girl that sailor gutzler managed to survive a plane crash and, at night, make her way through the brush and trees to find help. People are grateful shes alive. On the other hand look this is a community in mourning at the loss of the gutzler family and the fact that sailor must now grow up without her mother her father her sister and her cousin. And, really that affects people hew erin many different ways. This is a community where people take pride, small town in where people take pride in knowing each other. A town of about 3,200 people. I understand about a third of the population nearly 900 people attend the same Church Anderson the Trinity Lutheran church where Marty Gutzler attended church. Take a listen to what his pastor had to tell us this evening. This is a devastation for our community, a community can never, ever prepare for Something Like this. And we are were hurting. Were so saddened by the loss and are grieving the loss of marty and kim and piper and sierra as well. And this is just this is a blow to us. And, i mean have they already made plans for the funerals yet . Reporter yeah. Anderson, theyre planning that. Sierra wilders services will be held on wednesday. And the service for piper, kimberly and martin marty, they should all be held on friday but important to note anderson the family is expecting these to be private services. George howell appreciate that. I talked to sierras mom in the last hour sierra was 14. She died on that flight as well. Her mom described her as a little girl who loves spending time with her family loved being with her family more than anything. A fundraising site has been set up for sailor gutzler gutzler sailorgutzler fund. Com. Well put that on our website as well ac360. Com. What sailor is going through and what others in her situation have faced and what can overcome overcome. Reporter courage seen in those well beyond her young years. Thats what Larry Wilkins thought when sailor gutzler showed up on his front porch and told him an incredible story. She said my mom and dad are dead. We just had a plane crash. Reporter gutzler and her family took off from key west, florida, early friday. On board, her father who was piloting the twin engine aircraft along with her mother her 9yearold sister and 14yearold cousin. The plane ran into trouble and crashed in a wooded area in kentucky. Sailor was the only survivor. How was she able to survive the crash and then endure hiking threequarters of a mile through dark cold woods without shoes or warm clothes, still unknown. Little girl was she was amazingly composed for a 7yearold girl. Reporter her story of survival is rare but there are others documented in the cnn film sole survivor. In 1987 cecilia sheshaun was 4 years old, sole survivor of flight 255. 154 people were killed when the airline crashed on takeoff in detroit, including her entire family. Decades later, she still has scars and something more. I got this tattoo a reminder of where ive come from. Reporter she credits luck for her survival. Austin hatch believes a higher power may have helped him. God had his hand on me and i think it was a plan for my life. Reporter in 2003 when hatch was just 8 years old, the small plane his father was piloting crashed, killing his mother and siblings. Hatch and his father survived. Then tragically eight years later in 2011 hatch was in another crash. This time his father again the pilot, was killed as was his stepmother. Hatch was the only survivor. His brain injury so bad, he had to relearn to walk and even talk. Now just a few years after the second crash, he is on a basketball scholarship at the university of michigan and scored his first career points last month. Basketball has sort of has given me something to shoot for and its been my goal you know from when i woke up from the coma. What they all have in common is not just a shared tragedy be but a will to survive. Jason carroll, cnn, new york. Lets dig deeper. Were joined by the director of that film sole survivor. I find it interesting. Most of the survivors and sole survivors are either children or flight crew. Why kids . Its really a matter of physics, you know. Children have less body mass and, therefore, the impact is less great, theres less inertia and more survivable space. Theyre often protected by the seat. And so you know what we found is its really a matter of random chance but also just the physics of the situation. In terms of the crew members, they have more safety belts than the rest of the passengers. Did you find anything that linked the survivors together either in terms of how they survived however we just talked about how kids survive, but i guess more about the aftereffects of being a sole survivor . Yeah. After ward the number one thing that all survivors need is privacy. They need the ability to go back to a normal life. You know theres something that we found that we called it the double vacuum whereas quite often when you are a sole survivor its such an amazing, Human Interest story that it covers the news cycle for a long time. And that almost diverts the healing for the survivors. Because for a while, theyre distracted you know. And then all of a sudden when the Media Attention stops and the Public Interest stops its like another vacuum and they have to deal with the grief all over again, much later after the accident occurred. Do you find also a lot of to be labeled a miracle survivor thats a lot of pressure. Did you find anybody or people who were sole survivors who found trying to come up with what their reason in life was . Why did they survive and others not . Well you know it is interesting. One thing i was very surprised by when making the film is how often the survivors would say i dont like the word miracle. It adds a lot of pressure to their life. Suddenly they feel they need to come up with a cure for cancer or have some unparalleled reason for living. And so miracle, i think, can be a word that its sad with great intention, you know. Its a very loving thing to say, i think. Its coming from a good place but it puts a lot of pressure on survivors. And, you know one of the thing a lot of survivors struggled with is if you say they survived for a reason are you saying that everyone else didnt . And i think thats difficult for us to wrap our heads around. So with most of the sole survivors we dealt with in the film they pretty much have all come to the place that this is random chance. And also you talked to people who had been flight crew who had been pilots. Uhhuh yeah. Sure. Jim paul hanky was one of them com air flight 5191. The copilot . He was coatthe copilot yeah. And was there a special burden for him in that . Well that is an unbelievable burden. He wishes that he would have gone down with the ship. Every day of his life is truly a living hell where he wishes he would have died. And, you know, theres the compounded feeling of being responsible when youre part of the chain of events that leads to a plane crash. So thats a level of survivors guilt that i dont think very few people can understand. But children dont deal with survivors guilt in the same way as adults you know. Did it help with them obviously people who were kids who survived to meet others who had been sole survivors as well . Yeah absolutely. One thing i was very surprised by when making the film is survivors especially sole survivors of plane accidents dont have a community. They dont feel like they can be part of the flight Family Community that can go and grieve. Often they lost loved ones and sometimes their own entire family they dont feel they can go and be part of that same group of family members. Obviously, theres no one else that understands what they went through. Its a very singular lonely experience. Many of the sole survivors we were woo met and were working on the film had never met another sole survivor. Doing so can be helpful, finally meeting someone who understands what youre going through. Thats important in this particular case in particular. The public meets them with this idea youre so lucky. Youre so lucky. You lived. You walk add way with your life. It doesnt feel that way sometimes. They didnt walkway with their life as they knew t they lost an insurmountable it could be family a limb. You talked to people who have never talked publicly before about this experience. Ky appreciate you being with us. You can see sole survivor friday night midnight eastern right here on cnn. Up next though for us tonight were live all the way till the 10 00 hour. Bkingham palace emphatically deb denying that Prince Andrew had sex with an underage girl. However, a prominent lawyers name has also been involved in this. He is denying it categorically. The latest on the case, coming up. Thanks. [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable Global Commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. Great job. mandarin cut it out. See you tomorrow. Alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. 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It certainly isnt the first scandal that Buckingham Palace has faced, allegations that Prince Andrew had sex with an underage girl more than a decade ago. She claims she was a sex slave to the rich and famous. Saying this womans lawyer should be disbarred and that he will see that this happens. Anderson this was meant to be a positive start for the dwreer for the British Royal family with a new baby expected later in the year. Also with the queen due to become the longestserving monarch in british history. Instead, 2015 started out with aa n exercise in damage limitation. When the scandal at the palace it usually goes quiet. Not this time though. Not one, but an unprecedented four statements issued in response to a lawsuit alleging Prince Andrew had sex with an underage girl several times in three years from 1999 to 2002. One even went as far as specifically naming his accuser, saying its emphatically denied that his royal heiness, the duke of york had any form of sexual contact or relationship virginia roberts. The allegations are false and without any foundation. Roberts referred to as jane doe three in court papers filed last week alleges that she was kept as a sex slave for three years by the princes former friend billionaire businessman and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. During this time, roberts claims she was forced to have sexual relation with his the prince when she was a minor. In london new york and on epsteins private island in the u. S. Virgin islands. In an orgy with numerous underage girls. According to the court filing epstein told roberts to give the prince whatever he demanded and required and to report back to him on the details. The prince had come under Harsh Criticism for his friendship with epstein back in 2011. He later resigned as an ambassador for british trade. According to the Court Documents, roberts says epstein routinely lent her to powerful figures for sex, including wellknown criminal defense attorney Alan Dershowitz. Its the legal equivalent of writing graffiti on a bathroom wall and running away but i will take action. Im filing a sworn affidavit today, denying categorically. I am seeking to intervene in the case. I am challenging her to file rape charges against me. Any immunity because if she files a false rape charge against me she goes to jail. The end result of this case should be she should go to jail the lawyers should be disbarred and everybody should understand that i am completely and totally innocent. Dershowitz says if hes innocent he assumes Prince Andrew is too. Cnn doesnt normally name alleged victims of sexual abuse. In this case roberts opted to go public giving an interview to british tabloid and, in a statement reacting to the denials from dershowitz Prince Andrew and epstein, roberts insists she will pursue all available recourse saying these types of aggressive attacks are exactly the reason why sexual Abuse Victims typically remain silent and that shes not going to be bullied back into silence. Whatever the truth, this alleged sex scandal threatens the reputation not just of the prince but of the monarchy. The palace was quick to dismiss a suggestion that roberts had met the queen, saying there was no record of it. And Prince Andrew has returned from holiday. He is back in the uk. No doubt Holding Meetings with officials and with lawyers. But im told he wont be making any official comments himself on this scandal, anderson. Max foster thanks very much. Cnn senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin student of Alan Dershowitz. Also with us criminal defense attorney mark geragos. Jeff theyre not being named not being accused of any crime. Why are they even named in this thing . This is such a bizarre lawsuit to start with. This is a lawsuit where these women are suing the u. S. Government. Its not just one woman but several other, suing the American Government . Right for making a plea deal with Jeffrey Epstein that doesnt cover them. A lesser charge that gave him 18 months in prison and avoid a federal charge. Correct. Ive never heard of alleged victims being able to file a lawsuit like that much less succeeding in one. And it is especially bizarre that in that lawsuit they are allowed to file these affidavits, alleging this other supposed sexual misconduct. And, as you point out, alan was a teacher of mine dershowitz has remained a friend of mine for many years. It seems particularly outrageous that shes accusing him because he was one of epsteins lawyers in all of this. Thats the thing thats so crazy to me. When you look at the details of this thing, the allegations that he was doing this on airplanes while he was representing Jeffrey Epstein on sexual abuse charges, the idea that he would be having abusing a minor in multiple locations, it just seems ridiculous. It does seem ridiculous. If you look at dershowitzs affidavit, which he released today, he said virtually every time he was in these place that are described in the affidavit, he was with his wife. Right. Mark they both issued statements. Is there anything else that they can do . Alan dershowitz says he wants these accusers lawyers disbarred. Had they done research they could have seen that these allegations were false. Well look when he comes out and you can understand if hes upset and i know alan as with well. In fact was just talking to him behind your studio about a month ago at length. Had a nice chat. Obviously, he is disturbed by this. The idea that somehow he is going to get the lawyers disbarred, i think, is far fetched. What he is trying to do is by filing the declaration or making public the declaration, he is also saying hes going to try to intervene in this lawsuit and, surprise surprise jeff and i disagree a little bit. The lawsuit is not that bizarre, because there is something called the crime victims act. They are alleging that what happened here is the federal government gave him a pass epstein, with an npa, nonprosecution agreement and flipped him over to the state so that he would do easier time and get out, basically and that they under the act, have the ability to sue over this. And now what theyre trying to do is theyre trying to add some other victims. So what alan is trying to do is insinuate himself into the lawsuit because hes mentioned in it and then try to get some kind of relief. Take depositions or have some ability to do discovery. The problem that hes got is lawyers are generally protected by whats called the litigation privilege. And so as long as its connected to the lawsuit and as long as it has some relationship to the judicial proceedings, its virtually impossible for to you get anywhere in terms of the lawsuit itself. Mark what about dershowitzs point, why dont these lawyers come forward and make these accusations on television . He is challenging them to come forward. Because he says this is all being done in you know these depositions or in secret Court Documents that if they actually came forward, they could be sued. Well thats exactly what he wants them to do. Because as long as its just an allegation thats contained in a lawsuit, theyre going to have a litigation privilege, which means theyve got immunity. They cant be sued. So hes daring them come on come on. Come out wherever you are. Get on to tv. Say something on tv. Then ill sue you for defamation. Kind of a page out of the playbook of the cosby case. I think mark has a point about the precise legal merits of whether Alan Dershowitz could sue or get these people disbarred. I would like to sort of step back from the legal technicalities and say why . Why would you do Something Like this, that is solely designed to humiliate and designed to embarrass Alan Dershowitz . It gets their names in the press. One of the lawyers for the plaintiff. Former judge. Former federal judge, someone very active in the victims rights movements, involved in the Oklahoma City bombing case on behalf of the victims. Jeff can i tell you something about paul kassel . Please mark. Let me tell you something about paul. I had a case just recently where and he has been active in the victims rights movement. Oh, but thats it . Yeah thats true. But how about having a sense of decency along the way. I dont know how filing these unproven salacious charges this gets a ton of coverage because Prince Andrews name is in it Alan Dershowitzs name is in it and when it comes to the end of it you cant unring the bell. Thats right. Its like the allegations anyway. Jeff thank you very much. A twist that few, if any, saw come nth Michael Brown case. A member of the grand jury that declined to indict officer Darren Wilson says the public doesnt have an accurate depiction of the grand jurys decision and is now suing to lift the gag order. Details ahead. [bassist] two late nights in tucson. Blew an amp. But good nights. Sure,musics why we do this,but its still our business. We spend days booking gigs then weve gotta put in the miles to get there. But its not without its perks. Like seeing our album sales go through the roof enough to finally start paying megs little brother i mean,our new tour managerwith real,actual money. We run on quickbooks. Tha ts how we own it. Tonight, Surprising New twist in the Michael Brown case member of the grand jury that declined to indict officer Darren Wilson is now suing the county prosecutor to be allowed to talk about the case. Jeffrey toobin joins me once again. Theres a gag order, lifetime gag order on these jurors. Have you ever heard of somebody suing in order to never. Never heard of anything like a lawsuit like this. However, what makes this a nonfrivolous case is that remember what happened the prosecutor moved to disclose all of the testimony before the grand jury which is very rare but was done under missouri law. So the grand juror is saying wait a second. If youre going to release all the testimony, release the rest of what went on in the grand jury the legal instructions given to the grand jury and show how the prosecutor really sabotaged the case. Thats the allegation that the grand juror is making . The grand juror is unhappy about the result unhappy about the process and is saying since youve released all this stuff already, the usual rules about grand jury secrecy dont apply. Is that a valid argument . You know i think judges are very reluctant to release anything in the grand jury. My guess is that they will figure out some way to keep this stuff secret. But its not out of the question. I think given the unusual circumstances here and the fact that the usual privacy interests that apply, keeping new names of witnesses secret it wouldnt change anything about the verdict of the grand jury but allow this juror to speak. And it might disclose what else went on in the grand jury. Its not out of the question that it will succeed but its probably unlikely. Also an indication of the passions that continue to surround this case. Jeff toobin interesting stuff. Now jean casarez has an ac360 bulletin. Hi anderson. Making big gains in the battle against isis. U. S. 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I want to bring in chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta now. Sanjay sanjay tell me about this kind of cancer appendicial cancer. I had never heard of it before. Its pretty rare 600 tho 1,000 people a year in the United States is diagnosed with a cancer like this. It originate notice appendix. Its not a cancer again, thats very common. Its one of those things that people may have abdominal pain they may have sort of vague symptoms. It may get missed. As a result of it getting missed it can grow in size and even spread. Thats the real problem with this sort of as you know i just had my appendix out a couple weeks ago. Is it only people who still have their appendix can get this cancer . Yeah so in this particular type of area the in the appendix itself is where this cancer originates. But anderson in your case you had your appendix taken out because it became inflamed. I imagine you had pain. Right. And therefore they took it out. Its not part of the intestine thats really necessary anymore. So it can come out easily. The same sort of thing happened with stuart scott. He had symptoms that were vague. They went and did an operation, they took out his appendix, and they found when they examined that appendix that in fact it had cancer inside of it. So thats often how the diagnosis is made. But again, unlike many other types of cancer it can be so vague in terms of the initial symptoms. Some abdominal discomfort, some pain here and there. People may not Pay Attention to it. And thats part of the problem with this. It will grow as a result. How treatable is it if its caught . Well, if its caught and caught early, and that typically means that it hasnt spread and its smaller than two centimeters in size the tumor that is it can be very easily treatable. In fact just taking out the appendix at that point is pretty much the treatment. The problem is if its grown larger than two centimeters and started to spread, and typically if its going to spread its spread to lymph nodes in the area for example then it becomes more problematic. Thats when you start to need chemotherapy and other types of treatment. You also oftentimes have to have those lymph nodes taken out. So these are big operations and, you know very tough therapies, these chemotherapies. A small number of people have this. People with recurring stomach pains or pains around their appendix should be checked out. No question. And thankfully this is a very rare cancer. Its again, a lot fewer than 1,000 people a year. But obviously, pain in that particular area this is the right lower quadrant pain we always call its the right lower quadrant of the abdomen. If youre having pain in that area you still have your appendix, that is something that is obviously going to be on the list of concerns. Because i was actually overseas and i had pain for three or four days and i hot it was that id eaten something. And it wasnt until i emailed my doctor when i was getting on the flight and he diagnosed if by my email. Thankfully i have a very smart doctor and i got to the hospital as soon as i landed. But definitely have that stuff checked out. So you flew with that. I did. It was at the end of like a it was my fourth day and i finally was like you know, what i should check in with my doctor on this one because anyway, glad i did. Feel free to call me as well. It was thanksgiving. I didnt want to bother you. Sanjay thanks. Thank you. I have called sanjay in the past. The riduculist is next. Im going to make you smile at the end of this day. Well be right back. I have bayer aspirin. Im not having a heart attack, its my back. I mean bayer back body. It works great for pain. Bayer back body provides effective relief for your tough pain. Better . Yeah. Thanks for the tip thanks. 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Time now for the riduculist and tonight i want to show you something that caught the attention of the 360 staff. This is on ebay advertised as the mini cooper. Its pretty darn accurate. The hoodie the jeans. The head heavy oak with a trigger control to open and close the mouth. I know what youre thinking. Ventriloquist dummies in general are kind of terrifying. But when you really think about it why do they have such a Bad Reputation . Theyre not creepy at all. Ing. Now im paranoid that mini cooper will come to life hunt me down and haunt any dreams. That was the Twilight Zone from the 1960s. Times have changed. Honestly im psyched there is a dummy of me. It makes me want to learn more about the art of vent i really quiz m. Ventriloquism. Ventriloquism. The only lesson ive ever had was from best in show, of course. I understand you went to the circus. I did. I saw the hat lady. Fat. Hat lady. Fat. Hat lady. Fat. How do you say f . Yeah. Except before i try to learn how to throw my voice i think i have to master the art of regular talking. How about that . In all transparency we try to do this oh thank you. Are we really going to play this . This is actually the second time we have tried to do this segment. We tried to do it earlier this week. Lets take a look. Why to ventriloquist dummies times have changed. Ventriloquism. Times have changed. Ventriloquism. Kind of makes me want to learn more about ventriloquism no im not going to keep going. It kind of makes me want to learn more about the art of ventril [ bleep ]. Vent i reallyrilventriloquism. Its not the easiest w0rdord to say. Have you seen ricky gervaiss derek . Im doing my puppet act. Vent riqasilim. Should be good. So getting back to the mini cooper our crack team of investigative journalists got on the case and found out an artist named chris in york pennsylvania spent about three months sculpting and creating and finding the Perfect Little new balance sneakers. This is basically what i wear every single day. The staff was also quite intrigued by the buy it now price of this ebay listing, 360,000. Chris told us he doesnt actually want to sell it. The price is an homage to the name of this program, a reference which initially sailed right over our heads, actually. The artist also said some nice things about mini cooper being a tribute to me which i very much appreciate it. To put it plainly im very touched and genuinely honored to be a dummy on the riduculist. You can see all your picks for the top five riduculists of 2014 on our newly rated design blog at cnn. Com a360. Thats our blog. That does it for us. Cnn tonight starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com this is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. The big question is race the big problem in america today. From police turning their backs on the mayor of new york to what looks like an awful lot of deliberate job slowdown by officers. Even a battle against that most new york of institutions brunch. Looks like race is at the heart of all of it. What do we do about it . Were going to get into all of that tonight. Plus a tale of two crashes. A 7yearold survives a plane crash that killed her entire family. And walks 3 4 of a mile through the woods in the middle of the night