Theres new evidence to consider as well, from grand jury documents, and what seems to like some like questionable forensic procedures after officer Darren Wilson shot and killed Michael Brown. All that and Michael Browns parents spoke out today, sitting down with legal analyst, sunny hostin, calling officer wilson a murderer. A lot to get to. First off, lets go to the ground. Jason carroll is in ferguson. Jason, i know its early, a lot of the trouble over the last few nights started much later than this. Whats the situation right now . Reporter right now, were in front of the Ferguson Police department, where weve spent so many nights, you can see members of the National Guard out here, in front. We havent seen any signs of st. Louis county pd that we saw out here last night, but these men and women are here, just in case. But not sure at this point if it will be necessary. Heres the reason why, john. You turn around here across the street, those are the only number of protesters that weve seen out here so far tonight. Just about a dozen or so. So definitely not like what weve seen out here last night. Definitely not what we saw out here monday night. The night is still early. At this point, simply everyone out here waiting to see what, if anything, will happen. And jason, it looks like its pouring where you are right now and im sure that could impact things as well. Let me ask about this report about the church, where Michael Browns father is a member. Our colleague, evan perez, has some new reporting that theres now an investigation into possible arson. Reporter right, thats the Flood Christian Church there on west florissant, not far from where we saw the looting on monday night. Michael browns father attends that church. The bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearm is now leading up the investigation into the fire that destroyed that church. When we went over there to take a look at it, on one side of the church, youve got a hair salon. On the other side, you have a catering store. Neither one of those businesses were damaged. In fact, none of the businesses in that particular spot in west florissant were damaged. Only that church. Suspicious because Michael Brown went there. Suspicious because it seemed to be the only establishment in that section of west florissant that was targeted. John . Jason carroll for us on the streets of ferguson. The situation there does change or has changed very quickly over the last several nights. Well check back in with jason in a little bit to see how things are. Thousands of people have taken to the streets, peacefully and otherwise, over the last couple of nights. For two young men they never met. Michael brown and Darren Wilson. Officer wilson can speak for himself and did last night. Saying that his conscience is clear. Michael brown cannot speak. His parents, Leslie Mcfadden and Michael Brown sr. , have the job of speaking for him. They sat down with their family attorney, benjamin crump, with cnn legal analyst, sunny hostin. I want to first start by saying, im so sorry that your son was taken from you. And i think there are a lot of people that feel the same way. And id like you, leslie, if you can, to tell us about your son, the son you know. The son i know, my mike, is what i called him. Mike mike was, he was a big guy. He was so humble and soft spoken and he loved animal, he loved being a big brother. And he loved being a grandson, he loved his grandmother. He was the first grandchild, he was our first son. So he was special in many ways. Can you tell me about your son, the son you know . Funny, silly, make you laugh, real good with his hands, fix almost anything. Like she said, lesley said, he loved his siblings, he loved his grandparents. He loved just doing different things. He was just being a teenager, you know . Just living life. Now, when you got to the crime scene and you found this out, what were your immediate thoughts . Why . Whyd you do that . Anybody that knew him, that was their thought. Why . No. Mike mike. No. We dont believe that. He too sweet. Well, lets talk about that. Because so many people in america have seen this Surveillance Video in the Convenience Store and people are saying your son was a punk, your son was a thug, your thug was aggressive, your son was violent. So he must have been aggressive with officer wilson. What do you say to that . I say that you cannot judge him off of an 18second video. And we knew and weve known him for 18 years. We know better. I say, no, you wrong. And you cannot look at one image of a person and perceive who they are in the whole. Because if thats the case, lets look at the offense side with Darren Wilson. So do you believe that when officer wilson first approached your son and told him to move out of the roadway, that your sons First Response was, f what you say . No. Do you think thats even possible. Nope. No. Do you think its even possible officer wilson is saying that your son reached into the car and tried to grab his gun. No. Do you think its possible that your son told him, you are too much of a pword to shoot me . I dont believe any of those words were exchanged at all. And why not . Why . You know why . Because my sister had just rode up that street and rolled past my son as he was coming down. And just that quick, not even five minutes went by, before someone was running to my mothers house saying, mike mike is laying up, you know, up there in the middle of the street dead. An interaction or, you know, it lasts a little longer than that. Officer wilson said that he had a clear conscience about what happened that day. If he had to do it again, he would. Whats your response to that . Hes a murderer. Thats what that tells me. What does that tell you, lesley . I hope the lord have mercy on his soul. Youre saying i say that hes a murderer, because if he was conscious of what he was doing, that mean he he understood his actions. He understood exactly what he was doing, you know . He didnt have a second thought, a pushback thought, or nothing. He was intending to kill someone. Thats how i look at it. Even if it wasnt my son, even if it was dorian, he was going to kill someone at that point. He also said, officer wilson, that had your son been white, it would have happened exactly the same way. Not true, i dont believe it. You dont believe that . No. Why not . I think that the interaction would have been a whole lot different. Probably would have rolled right past. And kept going. Probably would have blew his horn or waved out the window. And when you heard there wasnt going to be an indictment in this case, give me your immediate reaction. 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A pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until. The am. New aleve pm the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. Before the break, you heard Michael Browns parents flatout call Darren Wilson a murderer. They neither believe his story, that he killed their son out of fear for his own life, nor do they put much faith in a system that they say treated them with disregard. Michael brown sr. And Lesley Mcspadden say they only got at most ten minutes advance warning of the grand jurys decision in the death of their son. Ms. Mcspadden talks about what happens next in part ii of sunny hostins interview. When you heard there wasnt going to be an indictment in this case, give me your immediate reaction. It was like, i got a phone call, all over again about what had happened to my son. Thats how tii feel. And i feel just as helpless as i felt in the beginning. And i wanted to address ferguson. And i did. And, lets talk about that. Because we all have seen the video of you going to where the protesters were, in front of the Ferguson Police department, and you are on a car, and youre speaking to the people. Why did you feel the need to do that . I felt the need to do that, because, one, they never addressed us. And two, you heard our pleas and our cries for everything to go the way it should be. And then third of all, we heard this, and it was just like like i had been shot. Like you shoot me now. Just no respect, no sympathy, nothing. And so my emotions were raging and i had to go over and just let them know, you just really dont care, do you . Why dont you care . This could be your child. This could be anybodys child. Well, when you were on the car, your husband, youve been married since may, got up on the car and said, burn the b down. And cnn and other outlets have been replaying that. And some are saying that he single handedly started the rioting and the fires. What do you say to that . I say that thats impossible. These things have been going on since august 9th, when it first happened. His emotions was taking over him, just like mine. He just spoke out of anger. Its one thing to speak and its a different thing to act. He did not act, he just spoke out of anger. Im a grieving mother, thats my husband. Hes been around michael at least four years, so hes going to love him not as much as i do, but hes going to love him like he loves his own children. So when youre that hurt and the system has did you this wrong, you may say some things as well. Weve all spoke out of anger before. What do you say to those people that did loot and riot in your sons name . I say that they didnt do it in my sons name, because thats not what were that we are about. Some people are out there now angry for their own reasons. Theres lots of people that have come to st. Louis from everywhere, that have went through something similar to this. And we didnt know, because we had never went through it. Now i can relate to those people and the pain that they feel. Mr. Brown, youve done a psa, asking for peace, peaceful protests. What do you say to those that claim that theyre looting and rioting in your sons name . Well, the ones that are looting and rioting, theyre doing it on their own agenda. We have nothing to do with that. The ones that are protesting peacefully, you know, please keep protesting. You know, peacefully. Back to what i said at first, im not angry at them, but thats not, theyre not showing no respect to my son by doing it that way. You said you want something to change, something to happen. What do you see now that theres no indictment. What do you think justice can be for you now . Another trial. A federal trial. I have faith in a different decision. Michael and lesley have been encouraging supporters around the country to help them with the proposed Michael Brown law, which is to have video body cameras on every Police Officer in every city in america, so we can hopefully avoid this happening over in the manner that it happened. Because if you have video body cameras, it will be transparent. I want to give you the opportunity to send a message to Darren Wilson, because he will be watching. Just why . Just why, thats all. Why . Why what . Whyd you go in with an edge on your shoulder like that and have to answer an act with our son, and do that like that, you know . That was overkill. This is going to be your first holiday without your son. What do you plan to do tomorrow . Its thanksgiving. Just have to wait until tomorrow. Right now, we both miss him. Other family members miss him. Its going to be a tough one. Its going to be a tough one. And this is not the only holiday thats coming up. So its really, its really going to be tough, for us. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Lesley mcspadden and Michael Brown sr. Talking to sunny hostin earlier today. And we will have more of this really dramatic and emotional interview later in the show. Next hour. Its such a sad story, because whatever you think of the grand jurys decision or of the reaction that followed, whatever your position may be on the way that Law Enforcement works or the way that it ought to work, theres simply no escaping the fact that no parent, no parent, should ever have to bury a child. And i think theres broad agreement on that. Sunny joins us now along with New York Times columnist, charles blow. Guys, thanks so much for being with us. I appreciate it. Sunny, you know, they suffered through the death of their son all those months ago, and it really does seem like in many ways, theyre going through it again right now. I mean, youre right. Their pain was palpable. You could feel it. You could almost touch it. I mean, they were in such grief. Lesley cried a lot during the interview. It was very difficult for both of them. I mean, when you have people that are used to being in the public eye, they choose to be in the public eye, they know how to conduct themselves. Lesley and michael sr. Didnt choose to be here, in this space. And you can see how difficult it really is for them to and theyre trying to, its clear, tell people about who their son was. And i wanted to give them that opportunity. You know, theyre still grapling with so much. Theyre grappling with what happened to their son, with all this new information coming out, and grappling with new events that seem to happen every day. We keep seeing that video of the moment the grand jury decision was announced and we see Lesley Mcspaddens husband, who was not there in this interview, who was shouting what he was shouting, burn this down. I continue to be struck by that video. Im wondering, charles, if youve had more time to process it, if you accept their explanation, that it was just a moment of anger. Its hard for me to know. You can imagine theyre very upset at that moment. You can, i mean, i can i do understand, to some degree, particularly what she was saying about what she said, not necessarily what he says. Theres a difference. A big difference. A huge difference. Theres no way to interpret that other than a call to violence. Exactly. I believe that is true. And i believe that that is not the responsible thing and i think its something you would be ashamed to if you look back on, you say, i should not have done that, no one should have done that. I do think we have to wait to see if we can find anyone who says that they both heard him say that and then started a fire because of that. I think you have to detect those two things together. Is it an irresponsible thing to say . Yes. Is it said in the heat of the moment . Yes. I tary to take all of that together, and im struggling trying to put myself in their shoes and to lose a kid. I have skin in this game. I have two boys, you know, a 17yearold, one is almost 21, and, you know, i just cant imagine myself losing a kid. I dont know what i would do. You cant put yourself in their position. Heres the thing, this is what i want i want to shift the conversation to relitigating in some cases the actual legal case here and what happened that night to what this means in a broader context. In this interview, you ask Michael Brown sr. What he had discussed with his son about dealing with Police Officers. Let me play a little bit of the sound. Because its interesting. I had to tell him, you have any problems, you need to tell me or your mother, you know, because you are considered a teenager. Youre not grown. They shouldnt be harassing you if youre not doing anything wrong. He understood everything, as far as the encounter with the police, you do what they ask you to do. If theres anything wrong, you let us know. But follow their order, you know . You know, this is a discussion that so many africanamerican parents seem to have with their children, particularly their sons. Now, look, im a parent, too. The conversation i had with my kid is, you respect authority, you respect the cops. How is that conversation different than the conversation you guys have, because it is different. It is different, and i think we should mention that attorney general holder mentioned that he has had that unfortunate conversation with his children. The president has said that he has had that conversation with his children. I have had that conversation with my son. Im sure charles, you have had that conversation. And the conversation is different, because, unfortunately, you have to break it to your child that people will not see you, necessarily, for the straighta student, for the equestrian, for the lovable person. They may see you as threatening, just by the virtue of your height, your weight, your skin color. And when i ask the question, we didnt play it, but i asked, you know, ive had that conversation as a black mother. Mr. Brown, did you have that conversation with your son . And his response was, of course i did. Charles, last thought . Yeah, we all have that conversation, i think, to some degree, and its an ongoing conversation. And now my kids are young men now. So its not even like theyre little boys. 17 and 20 . Michael browns 18. Exactly. And so what we see with all of these videos that we keep seeing, all the interactions that we even hear about, these are like splitsecond interactions. They last for a minute, two minutes. These are not lasting a long time. Nobodys going to assess anything else about you. Everythings going to happen in the blink of an eye. Its appearancebased. Its appearancebased. Its profilebased. Absolutely. Guys, i cant thank you enough for being with us tonight. Its an important discussion. Got to keep having it. Thanks. Great interview, sunny, too. And well play more of it the next hour, i should say. Thank you. As always, you can find a whole lot more about this on cnn. Com. Check it out. Just ahead, fergusons mayor is speaking out. See who he says fell short in coping with all that unrest monday night. This is the iphone 6. And this is the iphone 6 plus. You know the new a8 chip is so powerful it brings gaming to the next level. I mean, if youre into that kinda thing. Yeah, if youre into that kinda thing. Watch out for that enemy turret, koshka i got it, glaive alright, now lets destroy the vain crystal wait, im going to upgrade from barbed needle to serpent mask. Im going to buy some minion candy too. 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In the meantime, there is new fingerpointing tonight in the wake of all this unrest. The latest coming from fergusons mayor. Sara sidner just spoke with him and joins us now. And sara, all this bewilderment and outrage about how things got so out of control, despite having so much warning. Whats the mayor telling you now . Reporter you know, we got a chance to sit down with mayor james knowles, whos been here in ferguson watching all of this, and also grew up here. And he talked a lot about how he rode his bike as a kid through some of the areas that are now just burned out. We should keep in mind, there are just two streets that really took the brunt of all of this. But hes very frustrated and so are the businesspeople and so are the residents here and their concern and his concern in particular is about where the National Guard was when things started to explode in violence. I was assured, and our community was assured, that if it was getting out of control, if the National Guard was needed, at that point, were beyond antagonizing, you know, the destruction is already underway. Theres no reason not to deploy them. I have no idea why they werent deployed. Thats frustrating. You know, he didnt put the blame on anyone as far as who was the person that decided whether or not to deploy them. However, he did say that he knows that the county chief did ask for the National Guard to be deployed and it didnt happen when he asked for that. Ive got to say, who is talking to whom here between the city and the state and the federal government and the prosecutors here. Its bewildering and infuriating. The National Guard, obviously, under the control of the governor, governor jay nixon. Is that who the mayor is suggesting that he has the biggest problem with right now . Reporter no, he didnt say that. He said, hes not sure who is exactly in charge of making that deployment happen. We know that the governor is in charge of activating the National Guard and is in charge of calling for a state of emergency, but who the person is that actually deploys in the National Guard, he says hes not going to point any fingers, but this town is now destroyed in some places. And so hes very upset that it got to this point. He was hoping that there would be more cover for this town, for the people of this town, and certainly for the businesses here as well. Lets hope they can all start communicating in a way that is productive and keeps things going in a positive direction over the next several nights. Sara sidener, our thanks to you. Hundreds of flights have been canceled, thousands delayed because of a storm thats really picking an awful time to hit the northeast, as millions of people try to travel for thanksgiving. The situation on the road, not much better either with rain and snow causing problems in washington, new york, in boston. Want to get the latest now from chad myers at the cnn weather center. Chad, whats it look like right now . John, you know, i heard you talking about, you know, thanksgiving, and all that. If this storm had hit for christmas, we would be buried in 2 feet of snow. Youd be digging out, just to get out of time warner center. It was warm enough that we had a lot of rain in the big cities. Sure, it switched over to snow here and there. And now were because of the dark of night going to get colder and starting to get slippery. But this storm could have been so much worse, tapering off for d. C. , now. Tapering off from philadelphia. Still an inch or 2 for new york. Probably 4 to 5 inches for the greenville mountains, up into maine and the like. But this storm, even 10 to 12 inches where they want it. Probably into places like the poconos, the adirondacks or catskills, where they can play in it or ski in it, could have been so much more impactful if we were in new york city and boston and philadelphia. At least cars got out and about. And i think the bonus was, john, people knew it was coming, so they were on the road by 6 00 in the morning or they drove yesterday. Or they just said, heck, im going to go tomorrow. So really, the roads have been slick. They have been some accidents, but not the nightmare that this certainly could have been. They knew it was coming because of the fine work of people like you, chad. And we thank you for that. So lets do it again. Whats going to happen on sunday when theyre trying to get home . Absolutely, dry, cold but dry. Except when youre in california. Theres another storm system coming at you in california. So now were not look at the east coast anymore. There goes saturday, there goes sunday. Were looking at a storm that has a lot of rainfall position for San Francisco. There goes a storm now. The San Francisco storm coming up, though, for the sunday drive home could make for inches of rain around the bay area, no matter when you get 4 inches in the bay area, whether its a holiday or not, thats not going to be a good time. Yikes on that, chad. Thank you so much, chad myers, appreciate it. Coming up, well hear more of what Darren Wilson has to say about the day he killed Michael Brown. Talk about that in his first interview, just as new details are coming to light this evening about how he handled the evidence, including the blood on his hands, right after the shooting. Officer Darren Wilson broke his silence in an interview with abcs george stephanopoulos, in which he said his conscience is clean. He feared for his life, he did his job, and he wouldnt have done anything differently if Michael Brown was white. More of that interview has now been released, and we want to play a bit of it for you right now. You describe Michael Brown, when you saw him in that moment, in the car, as a demon. Do you know where that word came from . What were you seeing at that moment . Just a such high level of intensity and aggression and anger that it was almost unfathomable to even see it. Like, how is this happening . It was shock. And youre positive, youre positive youd have that exact same reaction if he were white . Yes. Some of the witnesses have said they thought you were out of control, that somehow you had snapped. Mmhmm. That would be incorrect. There was never the only emotion i ever felt was fear, and then it was survival and training. We know from the autopsy reports that no shots went into Michael Brown from the back. Did you fire any shots when he was running away . No. You only fired to his front . Correct. As you know, some of the eyewitnesss have said, at that moment he turned around, he turned around and put his hands up. That you be uncorrect incorrect. No way . No way. Some witnesses have also said that they actually saw you stand over him and shoot him in the top of his head . That would be incorrect. And hes down now. Yes. You know hes dead . Yes. You know, they tell you afterwards, there are going to be times where moments pass fast, and some are slow. And i saw the face he had go blank, everything was just pl k blank. And i knew immediately that he had passed. And whatd you think . Need help. I got back on the radio and said, send a supervisor and every car we have. Youd never even shot your car before and now a man is dead. Mmhmm. Does that put you in shock . What does it whats going through your mind at that point . What are you feeling at that point . Shock would be a good way to describe it. And theres not a cop out there that goes out there and are like, im going to use my gun today. No one wants to. No one every wants to do that. And it just happened and it happened in a minute. The brown family came out with a statement where they said, we are profoundly disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequences of his actions. What do you think when you hear that . I think those are grieving parents who are mourning the loss of their son. Theyre saying you have to face the consequences of your actions. Do you think theres anything you can say to them that can change their minds or change their hearts . I dont think theres anything i could say. But, again, you know, im sorry that their son lost his life. It wasnt the intention of that day. Its what occurred that day. And theres no nothing you can say thats going to make a parent feel better. Do you feel any remorse . Everyone feels remorse when a life is lost. Like i told you before, i never wanted to take anybodys life. Thats not a good part of the job. Thats the bad part of the job. So, yes, there is remorse. All right, documents that were released after the grand jury decided not to indict officer wilson contain a mountain of testimony and some of it now raising eyebrows. Testimony showed that Police Interviews with wilson right after the shooting, those interviews were not recorded. There were not photos taken of his hands before he washed the blood off his hands, and wilson himself placed his own gun into the evidence bag. The questions are, why did it happen this way, and the bigger question is, would any of it have made a difference if it was done the right way. Joining me now to talk more about this, cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, mark omara, who represented George Zimmerman in the trial involving the killer of trayvon martin. Jeff lorda of the st. Louis Police Officer association, and back with us, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, sunny hostin. Mark, i want to start with you here. There are a number of things here. This doesnt even get into the fact the medical examiner didnt have a camera to take pictures of the crime scene, or no batteries in his camera. This seems like Sloppy Police work. No question. Should be fired if he says to us that he didnt take pictures because of a dead battery. Thank god there were a bunch of pictures taken by Law Enforcement, so that his mistake in not taking the irs. May not have had a significant effect. But it opens up the whole question, in a nationally publicized case with so much emotion tied to it, that these mistakes are going to be given significance, whether or not true significance existed. And jeff, is this just a case of officers not following procedures that were in place, or is there no proper system in place in ferguson . Well, i dont claim to know all the procedures in ferguson. I can tell you that theres a big difference between a 50man department and a 5,000man department. And, you know, i worked in a Department Almost the same exact size as ferguson, in the st. Louis suburbs, and you have limited resources. The detectives, you know, pull multiple duties. They investigate everything from thefts of gasoline to homicides. And you know, in st. Louis city, where i am working now as a union rep, we have a unit thats dedicated to policeinvolved shootings. But the Small Department of ferguson just doesnt have those resources. Just to be clear, youre saying it would not have happened like this if it happened where you work . No, it wouldnt happen in a big department, but thats not an indictment against Ferguson Police department procedures. They do the best with the limited resources they have and it also doesnt mean that the evidence is tainted in any way. It just means that their resources are limited and they have to do with what they can. But they didnt do it like you would do it. And the sunny, the question becomes, what effect might that have had if it were done the right way. Would it have changed the outcome in the grand jury . I think its difficult to say anything would have changed the jut come of the grand jury, john, because the grand jury process was unlike anything ive ever seen. You just dont conduct a grand jury in the way and manner it was conducted. You dont put all that evidence in. Evidence, clearly, now that may have been tainted. You know, you dont put that much in front of a grand jury with no guidance. You dont have a leader in front of the grand jury. This prosecution team, in my view, didnt want to indict. But this is unheard of, this type of processing of a crime scene. We know that the body was left out for over four hours. People, we have pictures of people walking through the crime scene. Dont tell me that it was not tainted. You have an officer who, forensically, theyre saying that Michael Browns blood was found on the gun, or fingerprints. Thats been leaked. Thats really interesting, because this officer handled his own gun and submitted his own gun. So, you know, its just a travesty and having been a prosecutor, im ashamedp that the system was failed. Hey, mark, a lot of america has seen you at work as a defense attorney, doing your job. You know, its easy for me to see how you would go to town on Something Like this. If you were defending someone who was being prosecuted with police work like this. We know how to hold cops to the highest standard possible, and ferguson would not have survived crossexamination of this entire investigation the way it was handled with Sloppy Police work of a cop leaving with his own weapon, when its the weapon of the killing. When it wasnt swabbed, when you have somebody saying its, im not taking pictures, i didnt have time. When you have somebody who says, i didnt take notes of the investigating, of the officer, because i had too many other things on my mind. I dont know if it would change the outcome. I dont know if it would have changed anything. But good lord, hopefully what well learn from this is that we have to be much more careful with our police investigations. But thats why these things should go to a trial. One second. To be tested, mark. No, we use the grand jury for its purpose. You cant say every investigation has to go to trial. The standard in front of the grand jury is probable cause. The standard is very low. And they decided let me the grand jury itself decided it wasnt met. The last point i was going to make, that hes sort of right, that 50person Police Departments cant do as good a job. But does that mean that small towns dont get justice . We have to be careful about that. Well, first of all, i disagree that justice wasnt served in this case. I think that officer wilsons account of the incident was bore out by evidence that he had no contact with by witnesses that he had no contact with. And ill tell you another thing. This is all very reminiscent of the o. J. Simpson trial, where attorneys create this fictionalized alternate version of the crime and nitpick at details and cast doubt and i think thats whats going on here in the wake of the grand jury decision. Well, i think theyre raising questions about work that was not done in a way that you, yourself, say that you would have done differently. It leaves us a lot more to discuss. Exactly the way i would have done it in a 50man department. I wouldnt have done it that way in a 5,000man department. It should done the same way all the time. It should be done well, then, give every Police Department in the country all the resources that a 5,000man department were talking about the death of a teenager. Put your money where your mouth is. Put your money where your mouth is. 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Natalies cakes and more was one of several businesses vandalized monday night. The owner, natalie dubois, is back baking. She says all thanksgiving orders will be filled thanks to more than 150,000 in donations online in just one day. That is wonderful. Joining me now are pastor robert whiten with the peace of mind church of happiness and evangelist vivian dunkly. Pastor, i know there is an appetite in ferguson to move past the violence that happened earlier this week. What would you say in the community to heal and move forward . The first thing ill say to the community is, we must continue the conversation that we were having before monday night, and that is healing our community and making sure that our next generation has the resources that they need to understand how to love. Because the language, the message has to be one of love, because if we dont learn to love one another and love ourselves, we wont be able to move forward. And vivian, that message of love, how do you get it to reach the people who were committing the violence. Or maybe theyre gone now. Were they mostly from the outside . Well, its my thoughts that most of the people created the problems were probably not from the community. You know, were there, the cameras were rolling every night and saw the violence. But most of the cameras were gone, because the things i saw in the morning were churches and neighbors and real people coming together, cleaning up the community, helping the Business Owners and helping those children that were grieving and you know, no cameras were rolling at that time. So we saw some very positive things that came out of this. And it is important to they will those stories of the bake shop that will get all those orders filled for thanksgiving tomorrow. Pastor white, there are relationships, though, that need to be rebuilt, and in some cases, just flatout built for the first time. And im talking about between the community and the Police Department. How do you do that . The first thing is, we have to begin to use the proper terminology. We keep mentioning violence thats happening and the last time i checked, violence is between human beings. What we saw is property damage. And i think its critical that we make sure the language that we use is proper. We saw property damage. Violence is what happened when Michael Brown was killed. So what we have to do is what weve been doing at clergy united, what weve been doing for inspiration, is weve been having those conversations with the community and with the Police Officers, bridging that gap and teaching one another about accountability and we hold each other accountable and find those areas we have in common so the community can work with the police and find some things that we have in common. Vivian, whats thanksgiving going to be like in ferguson . Well, i think that its great for me, because one of the things that weve done as weve stated that one Church Outreach ministry, weve done a multicultural interdenominational challenge. This has given us an opportunity to forge new partnerships. We, for the first time ever, over 80 different denominations and races came together and began to pray. Weve been praying since august. Then we began to do some things together. Some real action steps that started some brave conversations and dialogue of about some real actions that we can do. So they can see us coming together in unity and working, i think that that demonstrates that theres real care out there. Not only are the churches working together, but weve incorporated businesses. Were working, so new partnerships are really happening. Home depots and volunteer organizations like rebuilding together. Okay. Brave conversations. I really like that phrase. 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