On a specially airequipped ambulance. You can see the scene there as we push in on the photo. Now the plane landed in frederick, maryland north of washington, nurse pham was being treat understand a biocontainment ward, the hospitals director says she is doing quite well. She and amber vinson, who is in atlanta, were cared for. There were questions on how Thomas Eric Duncans case was handled and then questions came about how the dallas Presbyterian Hospital was treating him, and dealing with needs and keeping personnel safe. Now, in the middle of allegations from nurse and whistleblower briana aguirre. Listen. As a nurse did you receive any special training . Did you have mandatory classes . Was there discussion from higherups at the hospital about how to deal with an ebola patient before Thomas Eric Duncan arrived . No one ever spoke to me about ebola. There were no classes offered. There were no training offered. Was your neck exposed . Absolutely. Yes. There is what part of your neck . Well, the zipper ended about here on me. And the hood ended about here on me. And you know, this part here made a triangle that was open. It was completely open. And the very first time that they were instructing me how to put this on is exactly the point when i said why would my neck be exposed . Why do i have on two pairs of gloves . Tape, a plastic suit covering my whole body, two hoods . A total of three pairs of booties including the one on my tieback suit. An apron, and my entire body is covered in at least three layers of plastic and my neck is hanging out. Well, we have been seeking answers for days, this morning, the chief of the hospital appeared on abc news. People want to know how two nurses wearing protective gear got ebola. How did that happen . We know that nina was the first caregiver to accept mr. Duncan as he came up from the emergency department. It was at a time prior to mr. Duncans confirmed diagnosis of ebola. Ninas protective equipment was absolutely in compliance with the cdc recommendation at the time. And as soon as we had the confirmation of the ebola diagnosis all of the personal protective equipment in the micu converted to the hazmattype suit. We have no indication that nina or amber had any break in protocol. We were working with the best information we had. In retrospect would we have liked to hermetically seal them so this didnt happen . Absolutely. Well, no break in protocol. We invited Texas Health Resource chief operating officer and repeatedly offered officials from the hospital itself, none has accepted. Texas Health Resources first offered up the representative at the trade association, not a doctor or hospital with the parent company. Then they offered a doctor with the local medical society who again is not affiliated with the texas health Presbyterian Hospital in dallas. So no one is up for answering our questions. However, late today, they rallied and showed support for the hospital and the face of briana aguirres criticism. And with that we want to bring in our panel, dr. Seema yasmin, and professor of public health, and dr. William fisher, the director of research at the university of north Carolinas Division of pulmonary diseases. Earlier this year the doctor treated patients in guinea where he was working with Doctors Without Borders. Sanjay, it is incredibly interesting, the hospital showed no transparency whatsoever basically now says we were in compliance with the cdc standards at the time these nurses contracted ebola. When everybody knew how Doctors Without Borders have been dealing with ebola patients, all that was on line. It seems like theyre still refusing to accept any level of responsibility for this. Yeah, no, it is amazing they still lay a lot at the feet of the cdc. In fact i read their statement earlier. They say we wanted to ensure we were compliant with cdc regulations, in fact, the first two nurses complained their necks were exposed. They told them to cinch their gowns with tape. It is a little remarkable, they were a little bit contrite about mistakes. With regard to this issue, they said hey, look, we did what the cdc told us to do so this is really not our problem. Dr. Yasmin, does it make sense to you that the nurses could have been in complete compliance with the cdc regulations, and still contracted ebola . Anderson, it is not good enough to just tell Health Care Workers what to do. You have to give them training and make sure there are resources. Look at what happened with sars in toronto, many Health Care Workers said you told us to wear marks but we were not given any. There was a shortage, we were not fitted for them properly. You told us to wash our hands but actually the examination showed there were no sinks, and making sure they felt adequately prepared. You said someone could probably wear a trash bag and be safe from ebola, it is how you remove the trash bag, it is how the protective gear is taken off and what training you have in doing that. It doesnt seem like these folks at the hospital in dallas have the training. That is absolutely right. I think there has been so much focus on the personal protective doctor, im sorry, were having a problem with your mike. Okay. Sanjay the cdc is in the middle of updating the guidelines on personal and protective equipment. What do you expect it to be . I think it will be more comprehensive, more protective. The idea of protection where there was skin still showing around the neck, i think that is probably obvious to everybody who has been watching coverage in the last week. Your skin has to be covered if youre wanting to be protected from ebola, if youre taking care of a patient. They got to balance it. They dont want to make it too complicated. But the idea of addressing, if you make it too complicated you could address the possibility of error, covering the skin is basic. So that is really what is critical. The lessons and the just the protocol and teaching it proper properly, not just putting it on youtube saying you guys, we gave you the right equipment. Dr. Fisher . Well, sorry. Are you back there . I hear you now. Go ahead. First, if think this is i think it is important to say that this is everybodys problem. That it is not just the cdc or dallas. This is everybodys problem. We have to get this right. We have to protect our nurses and doctors and Health Care Workers on the front lines. And this is so much more than just a conversation about personal protective equipment. We have to focus on the process of removing the equipment because that is really the time where youre going to come in at the highest risk of coming into contact with bodily fluids. And doctor, you went over to west africa voluntarily with a remarkable group, Doctors Without Borders that i hugely admire. It is an incredible wonderful thing, i want to bring home it is so painful. You said with ebola you cant have a good death. Youre isolated from your family and friends and your home. Cared for by people whose primary focus is on stopping transmission from infected to susceptible and from patient to provider, rather than comfort and cure. These people often die without the comfort of a human hand, without seeing somebodys full face or even just knowing that a loved one is near. And i know your emails have been posted on line. We have a link to them on our website. But as a doctor, i mean, how do you deal with that . Was dealing with ebola unlike anything else in terms of the suffering of other people that you saw . It was devastating. I mean, i think it was emotionally devastating. It was physically devastating. You know, as a physician you want to you want to share the experience that somebody is going through when theyre sick and theyre suffering. And with ebola it was very tough to share that experience just because there was such a barrier. Not only were they isolated from their family and friends and loved ones but they were isolated from their health care providers. It is a necessary precaution but makes it that much more difficult. It is remarkable what folks on the front lines are doing with this. Sanjay, i want to ask you about the political growing situation, david gergen is going to join us always. Make sure you set your dvrs, well be right back. Estor you c. You want to cut through the noise of an overwhelming amount of analysis. [ all talking ] you want the insights that will help you decide which ideas to execute and which to leave behind. You want your trades executed in one second or less, guaranteed, and routed with institutionalquality technology. Look no further. 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And we may have changes to that list, which is why were talking today. Before being diagnosed, vinson flew round trip from dallas to cleveland. Frontier airlines is notifying up to 800 passengers, including those who flew with her and those who later traveled on the same planes. Im more worried than i am angry. You know, it is kind of one of those things where it happened. Now i just want to be positive and deal with it and move on. Another person being tracked, a Lab Supervisor from the hospital where ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan died remains quarantined on a cruise ship. Eric lufner is one of the more than 400 passengers on board. I think it is more holy cow, were on board with an ebola scare. The woman never had contact with duncan but may have had contact with his fluid samples. In a statement, carnival said at no point in time has the individual exhibited any symptoms or signs of infection update it has been 19 days since she was in the lab with the testing samples. The lab tech boarded the carnival magic on october 12th before being notified of increased monitoring requirements. If i were on this cruise ship i wouldnt be concerned at all. In a vast excess of caution she is isolated herself, which from on objective sciencebased Risk Assessment is quite unnecessary. The ship is currently returning to texas. Mexico refused to allow it to dock. And a request by the u. S. Government to evacuate the passenger through belize was rejected. Wow, rene marsh joining us from washington, what more did we learn about the passenger getting on a cruise ship. Wow, anderson, were really not sure what she was thinking and why she thought it was a good idea. But what we do know is she was selfmonitoring for symptoms and didnt at the time. She still doesnt have symptoms, as you know, Health Officials stress youre not contagious without the symptoms. But the time line, this lab worker got on the cruise ship on october 12th, that was before the requirements got more strict, that is perhaps part of the reason. And in terms of the amount of people, 800 people shortly there after, has the cdc talked to all of them . It seems like it is a lot of people to follow up with. Right, it is a lot of people. You have to have the right Contact Information and get the people on the phone. The cdc says it has contacted all the passengers on board vinsons flight from cleveland to dallas, the flight she was on the day before she was diagnosed. But they are still in the process of notifying the passengers on the first flight that she took. However, i have been in touch with Frontier Airlines and today they tell me they have completed their passenger notification. Anderson . All right, rene marsh, president obama today answered the question about who he would choose to head the ebola crisis. The new ebola point person, ron clain, what more do you know about him . Anderson, he is more of a spin doctor than medical doctor. He has no experience in dealing with ebola but plenty of beltway experience. He was chief of staff to joe biden and al gore. And you may remember clain was laid by kevin spacey. He was brought in for the government experience and knows how the bureaucracy works. Aides say it will come in handy. Do we know why the president felt the need to bring in one now . Youre right, anderson, earlier this week, the white house was brushing off these calls for an ebola czar. Less than 48 hours ago they were saying that counterterrorism adviser, lisa monaco, could do that job and be the ebola point person. Aides say he decided that was too much on her plate. Make no mistake, the political pressure was building. That combined with the mistakes made over at the cdc, i think all of that appears to have forced the president s hand. And in terms of this guys exact responsibilities, what are the white house officials saying about him . Theyre saying because there are so many different agencies and departments involved in this ebola effort, ron clains job is to make sure all the different Government Entities are working together and trains are running on time and that the right hand know what is the left hand is doing. That has not always been the case over here. But keep in mind he is not going to be the allpowerful czar, he still has to answer, and as the white house reiterated today the buck stops with him. All right, jim acosta, some say what the new coordinate will be up against is daunting, not surprising, i talked briefly about it, with the supervisor in part of the events regarding ebola. Back in august you raised the alarm back then even back then saying you never faced a crisis of this scale and this type. And the situation is only worse now, right . Yes, indeed. Actually, i mean, since months we are saying that this is something completely new for everyone in terms of scale, in terms of number of people infected. In terms of the thing that is in several countries at the same time. And also that in the countries, with the Health Care System all of those factors together make this crisis very special. One of the things he said on the ground that they need in west africa is coordination and leadership there. And the political challenges for the outbreak, the new socalled sa czar and the political analyst, david gergen, what do you think about this . He does not have a medical background but has a background in administration. Is that critical . I think it is, it would be ideal if he had a medical background but i dont think it is particular for this type of job. I have known ron clain, he is seen as, and i believe he is, he has a reputation in washington, not outside to be sure, but inside washington he is seen as strong, tough. He is able to knock Heads Together and handles crises well. Smooth under pressure. I think for what they need now is to ensure that the agencies of the federal government are working well here that the hospitals and cdc are working well together. I think he will be very, very good at that. What i think is left unsaid here is who is going to be communicating with the public, because that is also a very important function of leadership. And right now we have a cdc director who has been out in front a lot whose first class, but he stumbled. I dont see ron klain taking that job, he may control the message but i dont know who is going to become the outfront person like Rudy Giuliani after 9 11. That calms people down and gives them a sense that the government has control of things. That is what americans are looking for. Theyre not panicked about ebola, but definitely want to see the government is in control of things. They have not had that. Ron klain will have a sense of control. That is one of the criticisms of the cdc director. No matter what he is as a physician, often people say in his public statements he sounds more like a politician. He is not really sounding sometimes like a doctor so much but is sort of not answering questions directly and sort of giving political answers. Well, i think this has been one of the weakest parts of the administration how they have communicated with the public to keep people calm and make sure they understand. And people think theyre doing a good job right now. Most people think the government is screwing this up a little bit. And i think partly it is a communication issue. What we know from crisis after crisis is it is vital to have somebody or some bodies who can go out front. When we go to war now the pentagon has a host of generals who can go on television and talk about it. We have as i say, Rudy Giuliani, we havent had that here. Anderson, one of the things that are missing badly is a Surgeon General. You know, they put up a fine candidate who was shot down by republicans. They have never replaced it. That Surgeon General is often the person who comes to the people as the nations doctor saying here is what the threat is to your home, here is what it is not. And the question is, why this is not a threat to the great majority of americans. Sanjay, what do you make of this appointment . I mean, i agree with david. There are so many different aspects of what the job will be, certainly the scientific part of it. The homeland security, department of defense, there are so many different agencies and things that need to be coordinated. You know, i think you need to have somebody out there who will calm people down. I think dr. Frieden has done a reasonable job. There has been some confusion around some of the things he said. People start to question the faith then of the they start to question the system a little bit more. As david said, i dont think there is panic, but when you start to question just how well the system is working that obviously is not good. Also, dr. Anthony fauci is the Infectious Disease guy, you see him a lot lately. I think he has done a great job and been clear and concise. So as long as ron klain keeps them engaged they can probably continue to give the message. And i dont want to get too much in the weeds but the cdc doesnt have the power to take over the hospitals. You know, theyre basically kind of observing, advising, but theyre being called to you know, called to task for things which are basically not directly under their control. It is really the state Health Department in texas or this hospital in particular. Cdc, you know, everybody thinks they just go in and take over the situation. It doesnt work that way. It does not. One of the prices we pay for a federal system. There are many strengths of the federal system but it is probably one of the most complicated democratic system in the world for governance. What is also missing here, anderson, one doesnt have the sense that they practiced for it before. That they prepared intellectually. You know, training is necessary especially for leadership and crisis. One of the reasons that new york responded so well to 9 11 was they had practice, and practice and practice because they had an earlier scare. That has not happened here. It had this sort of uncoordinated response. We saw it in katrina. It is the same thing that needs to be done here. What we did on that front about natural disasters. Theyre still talking about protective guidelines. That seems incredible to me. Exactly, it is like were scrambling at this point. Sanjay has a good point, tony fauci is class, he talked about the epidemic. He is a fellow i would put on the television on a regular basis to help people understand what is going on and confident. David gergen, thank you very much. Up next, officials want to step up the production of zmapp, the experimental ebola drug. Some patients survived, one died. Our medical panel weighs in on the move coming up. I make a lot of purchases for my business. And i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. Like 70,000 bonus points when i spent 5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. And i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at Office Supply stores. With ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. Travel, gift cards even cash back. And my rewards points wont expire. So you can make owning a business even more rewarding. Ink from chase. So you can. Woman everyone in the nicu all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. 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No one knows if blood transfusions from ebola survivors actually makes a di difference. Likely, zmapp is not known to help patients. Right now, i asked dr. Brantly if he believed that zmapp saved his life. I think there were a lot of things that saved me. A lot of people have quoted me as saying god saved my life and i still believe that wholeheartedly. The zmapp is an experimental drug, and until an experimental drug has been studied and tested on lots of people it is really hard to say whether it is effective or not. I believe that zmapp was beneficial to me. I think it had a positive effect on my illness. And i was really thankful to receive it. But there are also people who have received it who have died. Dr. Brantly was presumably referring to a spanish priest who received zmapp after being evacuating for treatment in madrid. He died just days later. And joining me, dr. Sanjay gupta, and dr. Seema yasmin. Sanjay, this word that the u. S. Government wants to get more zmapp produced as soon as possible, i mean, it can take up to a few months to produce even one dose. So producing large quantities in a hurry seems like a very difficult task to say the least. Yeah, it can take several weeks, maybe even several months to produce it, when you do produce it you will get more than a single dose. You will get several doses but the time period is of a critical nature. You also want to get it as fast as possible. A couple of points to make, right now there is an allcall out to see if there is another way to make it faster. The way you see the images there, they use the tobacco mosaic plant where they essentially cause the plant to make the relative protein. I dont want to get too much in the weeds here but basically you make that plant to scale up the production of the drug. Once that starts to work you can make more and more of it. There may be other ways or other drugs besides the zmapp as well to try to scale up production. So theyre looking for all sorts of options right now in addition to the vaccines. And doctor, it is interesting that we have hope for something we dont know much about. We cant emphasize enough, anderson, this is experimental treatment, and we do have to question why it is that nine months into this epidemic were still scrambling to scale up production of an experimental treatment that has not been proven to work in humans. And nih has been quite out spoken that they have been working on vaccines since 2001 on ebola, but because of cuts in funding they are years behind where they would be had they had more resources. When you hear the government is scaling up production. There have been 9,000 infections in west africa. More than 4,000 deaths, does that surprise you . Does it make sense to you . Im not entirely surprised. I mean, i think that everyone is looking for something that is going to change the game, right . Something that will dramatically reduce mortality. And i think that zmapp has been the more exciting results. I cant stress enough that it received its fair share of attention but it should not come at the cost of providing aggressive Supportive Care which we can do right now and which we know reduces mortality. And youre saying progressive Supportive Care if done in time and done properly, it can work. There is still a high mortality rate. But other than something new coming down or zmapp proving incredibly successful that is the best there is right now. Right, but i would say Supportive Care is a major part of caring for people with severe, critical illness. And with ebola, we can reduce the mortality rate with the aggressive fluid resuscitation, so giving people fluids and electr electrolytes. And nancy writebol, she really doesnt know if the zmapp saved her life, she really credited the care she received at emory. Ill tell you some of the stories, we heard the description of the zmapp being given in west africa for both dr. Brantly and ms. Writebol. We know that dr. Brantly had been really ill. In fact he called the wife earlier in the day before he received the zmapp. He was afraid he was going to die. And he got that zmapp. And as it was described it was within hours he went from basically thinking he was going to die. His doctors thinking he was going to die. And then by the next morning we saw him get off that plane, walking into the Emory University hospital. After he had been transported. So whether it was the zmapp. Whether it was just more fluids given at the right time we dont know. But you know, it does seem to have had some sort of impact as he himself indicated. And dr. Yasmin, it is important to underscore, zmapp is not a vaccine. It is a treatment. That is correct, anderson and works in the same way as the blood of ebola survivors work. So it contains three antibodies. They latch onto the body and try to deactivate it. It essentially tries to buy time for the patient so their own immune system can kick in and fight the virus. Great to have you on, sanjay, as well. Coming up, hope for stopping ebola, with the help of a robot. Well show you ahead, a germkilling machine. Well take a closer look next. They think salmon and energy. But the energy bp produces up here creates Something Else as well jobs all over america. Engineering and innovation jobs. Advanced Safety Systems technology. Shipping and manufacturing. Across the United States, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. When we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. Thats not a coincidence. Its one more part of our commitment to america. For over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. Transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. Transamerica. Transform tomorrow. Transamerica. 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The lights dont zap the lights out of humans, in a little more than five minutes it scrambles the genetic code. Keeping them from spreading. The cdc estimates that more than one in 25 patients will contract diseases in their hospital stays. That is why hospital administrators are so excited about the prospects of gigi. St. Josephs is one of the hospitals in the United States using the germ blasters, and questions are pouring in. There are other viruses, it will soon be flu, and other viruses out there everybody wants to lower the organism count in hospital rooms. What we tell them is, this will do that. So why not give workers glasses and use this on germ heavens, airplanes, the company vows it is working on it. So in an airplane it is certainly possible as long as were protecting the eyes that we could use the uv robot and the operator were used basically up and down the aisle. One staph infection outbreak happened last year, the schools head told cnn that the pulsating robot killed the virus dead in its track. And also vowed that the bathroom was wonderful after they cranked up the germassassinating uv light. Like star wars, alexandria . Anderson, the u. S. Military has carried out seven airstrikes in the fight against isis. And Coalition Aircraft carried out two more. The top general says that isis efforts to capture kobani have been ramp ed up. The Terror Group Boko Haram has agreed to release 200 girls from a boarding school. Part of a ceasefire agreement reached in ceasefire negotiations. And in florida, michael dunn sentenced to life in prison without parole in the shooting death of a teen in a gas station parking lot during an argument over loud music. Dunn killed 17yearold jordan davis back in 2012. Just ahead, Fareed Zakaria exploring his roots, when he found his family tree and why he put off the family journey for so long. But this. 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And tonight, Fareed Zakaria share s is roots. This is the first time he actually looked into his family tree and turns out there were a few surprises. Take a look. You know, im curious about the world and about how it works and what is going on politically and economically and technologically in the world. Im not that curious about where i specifically come from. Im just one guy among the billions of people on earth. And i never have until this project, never ever looked into it in any way one way or another. I came to america and naturalized. And im an indianamerican. What i know is both of my parents were muslim. I know that my mothers family came from an area called kutch and moved to bombay several generations ago. On my fathers side we know almost nothing. My father was orphaned by the time he was six or eight. My father grew up in modest circumstances in a small town outside of bombay. And really was a selfmade man in every sense of the world and was not very curious about his own background and his own past. My father is dead. And my mother is still in india. He was only six months old when his father won the elections and became a minister. My father, by the way, occasionally claimed you know, turkish ancestry or Central Asian ancestry. But i always thought he did that in jest, sort of as a warrior path that we didnt know much about. Since i didnt know much about my roots, i took a dna. The results were delivered to me. What we have are some documents about the life of your father. Gosh. This is a passenger list from the 7th of july, 1944. This is rafik zakaria. What this says is he left bombay and was heading to the u. K. He would tell one story about this voyage. He had the highest rank in the university of bombay. And if you had the number one rank you got a fullpaid scholarship with a first class ticket to go to london. Now, he gets it in the middle of world war ii. And so he gets on the boat and the guy who is checking his ticket says to him, why are you going to london right now . The germans are bombing london every day and every night. And he says to the other, im going to get an education. The guy who is looking at the ticket tells him, well, youre crazy but come on board. We had you take a dna test and both of your parents are from india. So the 85 south asia or indian region should not come as a surprise. But you have other things here, as well. When we looked specifically at asia central, combined with the italy greece Iberian Peninsula we believe there is definitely some middle eastern influence there, as well. This is all the old lands of the Ottoman Empire and the Muslim Migration from there into india. This European Jewish and the polynesia. Yeah, that is definitely a bit of a twist i would not have expected. The European Jewish again is part of that Ottoman Empire. Places like iraq, baghdad was a third jewish at the 19th century so it would not be surprising. To put what i learned into some broader context i decided to talk to an expert on migrations and globalization. From new york university. Does the 1 European Jewish surprise you . Well, in fact not the ottomans had many, many jews. So in damascus, so theyre widespread. When i look at these things compared with somebody who has longer roots in america or europe is that in a country like india that is very poor unless you came from a really fancy family, a really there were no records of any kind. And so my fathers age is guessed. The birth date is guessed. It is the date probably that he first went to school. And totally typical. When i did some field work many years ago one of the joking observations i made exactly about the absence of this kind of precision. There was no sense that there was an objective path out there somewhere that someone knew it was a matter to be negotiated. Given what you know now, were having your mother tested and her dna results are coming. My son, fareed asked me to try my luck. I cannot tell how much we will get out of the little knowledge that i am able to put before you. But let us see. All right, im getting ready to tape the show but my moms dna results have just come in. Guess what . Im indian. My mother is 97 asian. With 96 being from south asia. My european dna and my polynesian traces are there from my father, and the majority of my caucasian roots also come from my dad. My dad used to always say he came from the caucuses or central asia, i think he imagined himself to be some kind of nobility. I think we imagine there is some small justification for this. Who is that . My children are consummate americans, by which i mean they are not that interested in where we come from. Theyre more interested i think in where theyre going. Im very proud of the fact that i come from india. They have been to india many, many times. Who is that . Your glasses. But they dont have a deep curiosity, certainly not one derived out of a sense of identity. They have no crisis of identity. Theyre americans. And fareed joins us tonight. It was fascinating for us to watch this, how you are not fascinated by your roots, i find really interesting. I have always been really interested in where i come from and history. Youre not. Part of it, if youre an american there is a great story about your roots that is in some ways symbolic of america. You know, people come from everywhere. And so what part, english and german and dutch, polish, if you grew up in india, everybody comes from india, its not an immigrant country. But everybody has a different story. Youre not curious about it . You know, im incredibly curious what is happening in the middle east, and china, the resurgence of russia, compared to all that my story seems really dull to me. Your mom was so lovely and nice to take that spit test which is not a very pleasant thing to do. She was so worried she got it wrong. I think i didnt get it directly it may be as a result the fine some stuff that was wrong. I kept trying to explain, this is binary, either it works or doesnt. If you did it wrong theyre thougnot going to think you came from iraq or Something Like that. It is also interesting records were not came from people who didnt own property or kept certain records, my family who came here, he was an indentured servant. There were no records of him back from holland, because he didnt own property. He was too poor. And it is interesting how that type of people, there is no real history of all of those people. It is kind of terrible, in my eyes. And people dont realize that history is really written from the winners point of view. People often say that in a country like india, which has been poor for many, many years. Unless you came from a fancy family or Something Like that, there really is nothing. The case in which you go from beyond my father or grandfather, there is really nothing. So unless you came from a richer background, maybe that is the lack of curiosity i knew the trail would run cold very, very quickly. Well, you were a good sport to do this. It looked like it was not all that pleasant at times but looked like you were a good sport. I was happy to do it. But im happy to go back and focus. All right, you want to tune in tuesday at 9 00 p. M. Here for a special hour of our roots project. Fareed zakarias story. And that does it for me. This is life, with lisa ling. This is the story of a controversial experiment to create geniuses that began over 30 years ago. He wanted to help stronger, more intelligent people reproduce more. Robert graham, who believed the brainpower of the human race was in decline and he had a solution. Selectively breeding. It was the repository for germinal choice. And people got wind of it. People got up in arms. Over 200 children carry a secret buried deep in their dna. The genetic makeup for academic excellence