0 it made us wonder if washington d.c. with the depressing record is the best choice for america's capital. philly, trenton, new york served as capital. maybe there is a better alternative out there. is washington still the best choice if you can pick? if not, which city should win? let us know on twitter at erin burnett or out front.com. good to see you. good to see you. "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com part two of my interview with juror b 37 and no less revealing than part one. she never served on a jury before and never wants to again and has plenty to say about the instructions the jury was given, instructions she says guaranteed george zimmerman would go free and reminded self-defense doesn't retreat from danger if possible n. orlando attorney general addressing the naacp national convention spoke out against the stand your ground laws. >> by allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety. it is our collective obligation. we must stand our ground. [ applause ] >> to ensure -- [ applause ] >> we must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence and take a hard look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent. >> now again, for all the sympathy that the juror appears to show for george zimmerman, juror b 37 says the judge's instructions tied their hands and that's not all she said. we spoke for nearly an hour with an unexpected interview. we planned only to meet her but not conduct an actual interview that changed late in the day to our surprise she said she agreed to talk on the record. we did the interview minutes before air time last night and as i said, we spoke for nearly an hour. too much to fit into the program last night so you'll hear the rest tonight, part two. >> did you cry in the jury room? >> i cried after the verdict. i didn't cry when they were reading the verdict out in the jury room because we were all crying before we went in, and then -- >> what do you mean? >> we were in a accept pretty room when the foreman handed the bailiff our verdict and we were crying back there before we went into the jury room. so they gave us 20 minutes to try and get everything together. >> what do you think you were crying about? >> the pressure, the pressure of it and everything came to a head because i kind of tried to keep everything out emotionally out during the whole process, and then it just flooded in after it was done. >> but you want people to know and the reason you're speaking is you want people to know how seriously you took this? >> i do. i don't want people to think we didn't think about it and didn't care about trayvon martin. because we did. we were very sad that it happened to him. >> and you wanted his family to know that, as well? >> i do. and i feel bad that we can't give them the verdict they wanted, but legally we could not do that. >> do you think trayvon martin played a role in his own death, that this wasn't just something that happened to him, this is something he also -- >> i believe he played a huge role in his death. he could -- he could have -- when george confronted him and he could have walked away and gone home. he didn't have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight. >> and the other jurors felt that, as well? >> they did. i mean, as far as i -- my perspective of it, they did. >> so you think based on the testimony you heard, you believe that trayvon martin was the aggressor? >> i think the roles changed. i think -- i think george got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there, but trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him and get the one over up on him or something, and i think trayvon got mad and attacked him. >> you called george zimmerman george. do you feel like you know him? >> i do. i feel like i know everybody. >> do you call trayvon, trayvon, as well? >> i did. trayvon wasn't as well-known by us because there wasn't as much said about him. all we really heard about trayvon was the phone call that he had and the evidence they had found on him. we basically had no information what kind of a boy trayvon was, what he did. we knew where he went to school and that was pretty much about it, and he lived in miami. >> what would you say to trayvon martin's parents, to tracy and sybrina. >> i would say i'm terribly sorry for your loss. it's a tragedy. that's pretty much all i can say because i don't -- you know, i didn't know him, but i felt their pain because of his death. >> what do you hope for for george zimmerman now? >> i hope he gets some peace because i'm sure he's going to be on slot by media for months at a time. i hope his family can live a normal life after awhile. i don't know how he's ever going to do that, but i hope he can. he'll never forget, but i hope he can. >> before we hear more, i want to bring in our panel paul henderson, mark garagoa jeffrey toobin. >> it's interesting listening to her talk. she said she didn't get of sense of who trayvon martin was. do you think that could have made a difference? >> i might have but probably not. trials are not really about the defendant, and i don't -- >> but she's clearly got a sense of who george -- she believes george zimmerman was because she felt she could say what was in george zimmerman's heart. >> absolutely. her identification with zimmerman is really very striking and i think somewhat unusual. the degree to which she feels sympathy and affection for zimmerman is striking. you know, trials are about defendants, and his -- zimmerman's intent, zimmerman's background, zimmerman's intent, that's what the case was about and trayvon martin, there really was not much of an opportunity to present a human face on him or -- >> i don't know -- >> look, if you were the prosecutor in this case and you had not been used to putting away young black men for the last 20, 30 years, you -- you might have painted a picture where they would resinate with trayvon as opposed to zimmerman. what was masterful by the defense, the defense made this about george. they made those jurors want to help george and they -- i thought that that one witness besides the detective, the one witness who talked about the black males trying to get into her house, that rest nated with this jury at the very end and that's exactly -- that plays into what, you know, i hate to say it, the kind of racial archetype of black males as predators. >> something to think about in this case, the prosecution explicitly decided to ever zimmerman's life in the months before an issue and the defense exploded that and humanized zimmerman. the defenses witnesses were brilliant because they served multiple purposes. you might have a guy testifying i'm a medic. i know what screaming sounds like and backdoored in this charter evidence about george zimmerman. you learned -- they used these witnesses for multiple purposes strategically. >> do you think it would have been possible to present evidence about what trayvon martin was, or would that have hoped them up to challenges by the defense about bringing in tweets and stuff from trayvon mart martin's past? >> it depends what they used and how they introduced it. i felt the defense did a masterful job of introducing little throw away lines that matter, that talked about george zimmerman being a good friend and a nice guy and the best friend that anyone could have and we didn't hear testimony like that or comments like that from the witnesses that were put on by the prosecution, but it's those little nuggets that i think would have helped or could have painted a better picture about trayvon, because you heard them saying that they didn't know anything about him. they didn't know what kind of kid he was, other than what school he went to, and i don't know that it would have made a difference, but i certainly would have tried to put that information in there with the witnesses i had. >> the most competent prosecutors would have. most competent prosecutors would not put on an african american male professor to say wonderful things to get in the tidbit that he learned about stand your ground and then get decimated on the cross-examination by the guy saying yeah, he was a great student, wonderful guy. >> so interesting. i read this story by economists and looked at trials in florida from 200 to 2010 and with all-white juries when there was a black defendant, they convicted that black defendant 16% times more than a white defendant and if they had -- if the reverse was if they had one african american juror instead of all white jury, that between the black defendant and white defendant went down to a negotiable difference. >> it's no longer an elephant in the room. that's why it's so important in jury selection, that's why there is the whole developed body of law that you can't -- the prosecutors can't and defense now what we call reverse, can't strike people of class. that is the most important part of the trial. >> mark, you said from the very beginning this case was over in jury selection. i'll tell you one thing that's odd about this situation is the six-person jury. now that's unusual. it's constitutional and some states have it and florida is one. if this was 12 people, the chances of having an african american -- >> it would be higher. frankly, this county is -- it's not heavily african american but there is a substantial african american presence and i just -- i think the six-person jury hurt the prosecution. >> it's important for viewers to understand. hearing about a jury of his peers and jury of his peers. you don't have a constitution of the final jury being representative or a peer, whatever that may be. all that requires is that the jury pooled from a reasonable cross section of the community. your ultimate jury as long as it satisfies batson, can be six females. >> it's interesting you hear b 37 believes trayvon martin played a role in his own death, that -- i mean, she -- done this equally part of this. >> she's very judge mental about that and the part that stood out to me is when she said when confronted by zimmerman he could have walked away, he should have left or he could have done something and we wouldn't be here which to me raises the issue what about his self-defense rights? what if he did in that confrontation used the only thing he had, which was his fist and got shot and got shot with this man with no color of authority and no police officer and armed and came at him. we don't know what happened but i find it interesting she's completely judge mental about trayvon mart and says he was probably angry. we don't have any of that information. she's filled in the gaps and adopting the defense's prospective and that's why we are where we are. >> she didn't ever it up. she didn't invent this. she accepted what the defense argued which was trayvon threw the first punch, he was on top. so i don't think you can condeem her for, you know, making up some scenario just out of bias or something else. she looked at the evidence -- >> if -- i agree with that -- >> but nothing else got presented to her. >> the problem is remember, paul, you know this, we're talking to jump rorrors after t reach a verdict and retrench and they are going to say whatever they need to say. i mean, this is why talking to jurors afterwards, it's great when you win and drives you insane when you lose. >> we'll take a quick break. the exclusive interview continues. let us know what you ink. let us know what you think on twitter. b 37 answers two key questions did she want george zimmerman to take the stand and this -- when you lay your head tonight on the pillow, in your heart and in your head you are 100% convince that george zimmerman in taking out his gun and pulling the trigger did nothing wrong? 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