Should. Hes great. Hes number two. Daniel daylewis. Tommy lee jones is brilliant. And hell of a nice guy here. Are you still winning, charlie . Today i am with you. Absolutely. Its been brilliant to see you again. Likewise. Thank you so much. Come back again. Youre an absolute pro. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thats all for us tonight. Anderson cooper starts now. Good evening, everyone. Breaking news tonight, Lance Armstrongs confession continued. Its over now. Tonight on Oprah Winfreys own network he sort of broke down telling oprah what it was like as a father of five kids to lie to a child, to lie to a son, his son luke. When this all really started, i saw my son defending me and saying, thats not true. What youre saying about my dad is not true. And it almost goes to this question of why now. You know, he cant yeah. Thats when i knew i had to tell him. What did you say . I said, listen, theres been a lot of questions about your dad. My career, whether i doped or did not dope. I have always denied that, and i have always been ruthless and defiant about that. You guys have seen that. Thats probably why you trusted me on it, which make it is even sicker. And i said i want you to know that its true. I told luke. I said i said dont defend me anymo anymore. Dont. Did he say anything . He just said, look, you know, i love you. Youre my dad. This wont change that. Emotional moments. No tears visible but probably the most emotional Lance Armstrong got in the whole 2 1 2hour interview. Armstrong talked about another painful moment when the Cancer Foundation he founded livestrong said it was through with him. None of my kids have said, dad, youre out. None ever my friends have said, hey, lance, youre out. The foundation is like my sixth child, and to make that decision and to step aside was, that was big. They made it for you. I was aware i wouldnt at all say forced out, told to leave. I was aware of the pressure, and, yes, i had interactions with doug and with some of the board members. It was the best thing for the organization, but it hurt like hell. Lance armstrong with oprah on the own network tonight. Last night in part one he admitted he was living, in wiss words, one big lie and every jersey he won he won by cheating. He copped to the doping but he did not say he was a lot more than a user, that he encouraged others on his team to dope. That he pressured them. Joining me now, the people who know Lance Armstrong like few others do, betsy andreu whose husband wrote with lance. Daniel coil o kau they are of the book the secret race. Also Bill Strickland an editoratlarge at bicycling magazine and senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. Betsy, your thoughts, you didnt actually watch the second part of the interview, but now on the totality of what he has said, your thoughts tonight . Yeah. I didnt. I couldnt watch the interview tonight not because i didnt want to, i taped it, i will watch it. I have been asked a lot, and for me its a sense of relief more than vindication, but its a tremendous sense of sadness. Yesterday i was obviously visibly upset, and today its as you said, its a sense of sadness. Sadness about what . It, how it has affected so many people in such a destructive way. Thats why. I mean, it hurts obviously it has a toll on lance. So many people in the saga have been hurt. I dont know if you touched upon greg for example. His children, people who just defended him to the ninth or the tenth, whatever you say. He hurt the sport of cycling. He caused it irreparable damage. After all he did to you, do you feel sorry for him . Yeah, i kind of do. Does that surprise you . Yeah, considering last week i wasnt showing it was more eye for an eye, tooth for the tooth, and this week it doesnt mean i think he should get off in any way, shape, or form because my fear is if you were going to get a slap on the wrist, things would go back to the way they were. Because after he had cancer, he became a person that i didnt almost i didnt recognize. So we have to wait and see. We have to see whats next. I hope that he will testify to usada and tell the truth, and the right thing can be done. I have always said hes hurt a lot of people. It cant be underestimated how much he has hurt people, and i dont even think he really understands the emotional toll, the mental toll, the financial to toll, but hes going to he has to pay the price some way, somehow, and living in his own hell isnt going to i dont know if thats going to suffice, but, again, i dont know. Im a mixed bag of emotions right now. Youre saying he needs to testify. He actually wasnt asked about that by oprah about whether or not he would testify. He was he talked about the punishment that he faces, about being banned from competition. He said id love the opportunity to compete. I think i deserve it, that he says he thinks he said he thinks he deserves it, tonight . Yeah, quote he said i think i deserve it. He also said everybody else got a sixmonth suspension. Oprah said did you get what you deserve . He said i deserve to be punished, quoting im not sure i deserve a Death Penalty. I just want to play this sound here. This may not be the most popular answer, but i think i deserve it. Maybe not right now, but if you look at the situation, if you look at the culture and you look at the sport and you see the punishments. Thats why i told you if i could go back to that time and say, okay, youre trading my story for a sixmonth suspension . Thats what people got. Which is what other people got. What everybody got. So i got a Death Penalty and they got meaning you can never compete again. In anything. And im not saying that thats unfair necessarily, but im saying its different. Do you think youve gotten what you deserve . For a long time you were saying everybody was on the witch hunt, on the witch hunt, on the witch hunt for you. Do you think in this moment considering how big you were, what that meant, how much people believed, what your name and brand stood for sure. Yeah. I deserve to be punished. Im not sure i deserve a Death Penalty. For the record he does not have a Death Penalty. Hes not allowed to compete in sanctioned spording again. Betsy, youre hearing that for the first time. What do you think . In a way i really dont think he understands the magnitude of what hes done. He keeps saying that it was the culture, it was the culture, it was the culture. Well, you can say it was the culture of baseball to break the home run record to be a doper. That doesnt mean that everybody succumbed and gave in and took steroids to hit a ball far. So i think hes trying to reason this out, and hes just not hes just not being hes just not being logical. I think hes being a little delusional. Im going to bill because lets bring in bill. What do you think . Yeah. I think what were seeing here is someone who maybe doesnt know how to tell the truth or look inside and see the truth. I thought the most riveting part when he was talking about his kids was when he said, they just accepted it, as if he couldnt imagine that humans would just love him even if hed made mistakes. I thought that was such an insight into him. I found it interesting in talking about his son, which was clearly he was moved by it, but there wasnt any actual breakdown. There wasnt thats the most human i have ever seen him, and even then to me of it wasnt that human. What did you think . To people who know him well, i have had some conversations in the last day from former teammates who watched the interview, its almost like you have to adjust the contrite level on your screen. They saw yesterday and im sure they saw today as being the most they were stunned at how contrite he was and the rest of us, a lot of americans who didnt know him as well, saw that and said, boy, he doesnt seem very moved. Its almost like hes got this suit of emotional armor on that hes having a hard time breaking out of, and clearly i think betsys point is great. Hes sitting in a crater and its not all logical, is it . Hes trying to make connections, trying to think his way out, talk his way out, make a story, and its sort of not working. Go ahead, betsy. I was going to say when frank and i spoke with him, we truly we felt that he was sincere and he was genuine, and the way he was on the phone with us, and i dont want to go into detail, but the way he was on the phone with us was far different than hes portraying himself on tv. I dont know if its because he was very nervous or if hes trying to be stoic or have a stiff upper lip. I dont know. But i think it would have been a great benefit to him maybe to let that guard down, but i agree with bill, part of the problem here is telling the truth and being contrite, apologizing, its inconceivable to us, but its a new concept to lance. He was asked by o bra, can you feel how you have shattered other peoples lives. His response was yeah. He also said he didnt try to pay off usada. I want to play one more sound bite from his apology. We talked about apologies, and i told you that i owe a lot of people apologies, and the obvious ones, the ones that we know by name, the frankies, the betsys, the greg, the tyler, the floyd landis, i owe them apologies. Whenever they are ready, i will give them. What was he trying to accomplish here . That remains puzzling to me. He talks about being reinstated. That he thinks he should be reinstated. Hes 41 years old. His career as an elite athlete was over anyway. He said he would love to run in the chicago marathon at age 50. Okay. But is that something thats so different from what he used to be, to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack in the chicago marathon nine years from now but hes dominated triathlons. A triathlon is a huge sport in his country. He could be a big name in the world of triathlon. The world of triathlons. Thats a tiny world. Compared to the Tour De France. Yes, compared to the Tour De France, but triathlons are a big sport. Jeff, i dont know how often youre running out there but there are a lot of folks competings in triathlons. Theres not the scale of the Tour De France, but there are a lot of events in which hes a competitor. He wants to compete. Well, you can also time yourself and see if you can beat your next time. You can also be a normal weekend athlete. I gra he with jeff. Its a puzzle that he would do this, 4. 3 Million People watched this last night. It turned into sort of a super bowl. But lance turns everything into sort of a super bowl. Thats what being lance is. Hes always had this sinemetic sense of self that hes always been filmed in his own movie. Hes almost addicted to that notion of himself as a hero. I think thats one of the more moving things at the end when she said what kind of human being are you, and he didnt have much of an answer, did he . We have to take a quick break. Well have more with our panel on the other side. Well be right back. 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Ive always had to keep my eye on her. But, i didnt always watch out for myself. With so much noise about health care. I tuned it all out. With unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters. My individual health profile. Not random statistics. They even reward me for addressing my health risks. So im doing fine. But shes still going to give me a heart attack. Were more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. Thats health in numbers. Unitedhealthcare. Welcome back. More on the breaking news, in Lance Armstrongs more words. Some ugly stuff. How he tarnished the Cancer Foundation he founded. Part two of his interview with Oprah Winfrey aired moments ago on her network own. It is over now. In it armstrong talks about the staggering financial empire he built that crumbled in a single day. I have lost certainly lost all future income. Emotional and you could look at those two days or day and a half where people left, and i want to give you a number. You asked me the cost. I dont like thinking about it, but that was i dont know. That was a 75 million day. That just went out of your life. Gone. Gone. Gone. And probably never coming back. Panel betsy andreu, author daniel coyle, jeffrey toobin. His fortune has been estimated do you think its fair to say Lance Armstrong would not be Lance Armstrong if it were not for his doping . If he had not dond, he wouldnt have that money i mean oprah we wouldnt be sitting here talking about him because he wouldnt have achieved the things, the fame, the endorsements all of that had he not doped. Betsy . But thats all stolen money. Im jumping up and down here saying are you kidding me . You lost 75 million . Boo hoo hoo hoo. I am hes not getting it. What about greg la mans bike company. That was completely destroyed. It doesnt make sense. What about scott mercy not having a career. Chr christof not having a career. Other guys not doing what he wanted them to do not having a career. You cant put a price tag on opportunity lost. Wrer not talking about millions of dollars. Were talking about people who want to make a living so they can pay a mortgage and save some money after. And all the people who were never able to accomplish or reach the heights that, you know, of fame that could have brought them income because Lance Armstrong had the entire spotlight and it was based on doping. Tyler hamblins life once said Lance Armstrong is like donald trump who sees a Small Grocery store and wants to put them out of business. He soaked up all the sunlight, all the energy, all the money of that sport of that era. Greg lamont, when i was prior to Lance Armstrong, greg lamond was i dont know much about the world of cycling but i remember greg lamond. He had an incredible story. He was an incredible competitor after Lance Armstrong and Lance Armstrong, as betty said, went after greg lamond. Do you think Lance Armstrong gets it, bill . I think he gets that he should get it, and i think what were seeing here is hes really struggling with it. Whats interesting to me is theres sort of parallel views of this going on. Theres a lot of people who are skeptical, but i was reading all the reactions today from jonathan and Tyler Hamilton and frankie. They have all acknowledged how hard it is just to do what hes done, and frankie in a report today was saying number yuntil you sit down and Start Talking to usada you dont know how hard that is. The people who are there and made the mistakes he did in a smaller way, they seem to have more empathy for him than everyone else. Interesting. Oprah asked about paying off allegations that he attempted to pay off usada or somebody in his world attempted to pay off usada. Lets listen to what he said. Last wednesday night travis tie gert ceo of usada told 60 minutes sports that someone on your team offered a donation that usada did not accept. He said it was over 150,000. Were you trying to pay off usada . No. Thats not true. That is not true . That is not true. And in the thousandpage recent decision they issued, there was a lot of stuff in there. Yes. Everything was in there. And hes saying it wasnt na that 1,000 page report. Travis tie gart had said that on 60 minutes sport. I would believe travis. Travis. Betsy, you would agree . Travis, yes. My vote is for travis. By the way, travis tie gert is a huge hero in all of this. Theres a guy who was attacked by lance sued, you know, who was marginalized in the sports world and hes completely vindicated by these events, and, you know, well see if Lance Armstrong actually cooperates with usada. Its one thing to sit there with Oprah Winfrey and have the whole world stare at you and feed your ego in a perverse way. Sitting there with travis tie gert and actually going through where did you get the drugs, who gave it to you because he really did not go into much detail. I mean, he kind of said it all blends together, i dont remember being in a tent and doing this, he kind of gave broad brush strokes very vague. But there was not a lot of in depth, this is how the whole operation works. And that takes time and many, many ser views and a lot of energy and it takes him facing all these things hes repressed for so long. We talked about whether or not he gets it. He talk 3wd that tonight. Lets listen. When Something Like this happens, what you hope is that it leaves an impression that causes a shift or a change within you. Has that happened with you yet . Id be lying if i said that it has. Again, i keep going to this word and this idea of process. I got work to do, and its i cant theres not going to be one tectonic shift here that says okay, hes good now. He talked about this being a process a lot, and he talked about that hes now in more regular therapy, that hes been in therapy on and off over years, but he needs to be in regular therapy. Talked about being willing to apology to people when theyre willing to hear it and ready to hear it. But the question is will he testify. Will he actually, you know, name names of other folks and will he go in front 6 usada. And hes going to be spending plenty of times in courtrooms over the next few years. Hes going to be subpoenaed in these lawsuits to get the money back from the sponsors, to get the money back from the Tour De France and potentially in floyd landis whistleblower. Hes not going to have a choice but to answer more questions about this and hes likely to have a pretty ugly time. Do you still think, jeff, from a legal standpoint it was a mistake for him to do this . Total awful mistake. Really . Maybe he was dealing with some psychological thing and maybe he wanted to prove to his son he could tell the truth and thats very important and maybe its more important than the legal side of things but from the legal side of things in terms of his civil ligability this was a huge mistake. Betsy, i want to play you something about his exwife kristin and what she knew about the doping. Oh, my god. Was betsy telling the truth about the indiana hospital . Overhearing you in 1996 . Im not going to take that on, and im laying down on that one. Was betsy lying . Im just not im going to put that one down and i dont want she asked me and i asked her not to talk about what you said. Details of the call. It was a confidential, personal conversation. Sorry, this was obviously the wrong bite. We played that bite for you yesterday. You already reacted to that. Lets play the bite about kristin. She wasnt that curious. Perhaps she didnt want to know. She certainly knew but didnt need to know basis. I guess maybe i protected her a little bit from that. He went on to say, betsy, that the reason that he made a promise, that she asked him not to dope if he made a comeback for the 20092010, and he that it was a serious request, a hard request by her, and he made a vow to her that he would not dope for his comeback, and thats i guess the idea being thats why he didnt dope and why he lived up to that promise. Do you buy that . I dont, and this is a very touchy subject for me because i almost have more of a disdain for the people who aided and abetted lance than i did than i did for lance or do for lance. I think its really disingenu s disingenuous. According to mike anderson, didnt she stuff money in her chanel jacket and there were wasnt there anything hidden in the baby carriage . I mean, i have a real problem, and i dont want to it couldnt have been easy to be married to lance, not at all. She distributed drugs. I mean, dan wrote that she distributed drugs for lance, and i have a huge problem with a huge problem with that because i really think a lot of these women, they love the lifestyle because in europe cycling is completely different than it is in the United States, and obviously lance and kristin were making a lot of money. A lot of people were making a lot of money, and i think a lot of these women love the money and they didnt care if their husbands were doping because you could afford the louie va tune and the cartier sunglasses. So i have a problem with that, a big, big, big problem with that because i never blogged about morality. I never blogged about doing the right thing. I tried to walk the talk, and we see what we see what happened, so im not so sure i buy that because yeah. Daniel . Theres an account in the usada report that refers to Kristin Armstrong wrapping cortisone pills in foil and handing them out at the World Championships before lance got cancer i think. And there are other accounts that link her loosely to being present when testosterone patches are being hander landed to floyd landis. There was some connection there and it did seem when lance got to that point of the interview that he swore a vow to his exwife that he was going to do his comeback clean, bill and i looked to each other and shook our heads because it sounded unlikely, didnt pass the smell test and didnt pass the scientific test they did on armstrongs blood. Explain this passport. How many young red blood cells there are and they produce a chart. A sort of scatter plot. When in early season all of his he had very few it looked one way and right before the tour it looked completely different, and thats what they looked at. They said this is clear signs very consistent as they said, 1 in a million chance it would happen naturally. One in a million. This is for the 20092010. Thats correct. One in a million chance it would happen naturally. Since transfusions arent detectable, thats the only way to detect them. If i can just add, a really good website to go to and you can read an interview with michael, who is one of the scientists who helped to create the test which detected epo is nyvelocity. Com, and theres a fascinating interview there with him, and it will explain all the scientific, i guess, evidence and everything that is very confusing in all of this. Weve got to take another quick break. Oprah also asked armstrong about making amends to all the people hes hurt, all the people hes lied to, hes let down, all the people that believed had him, defended him. Does he think he can make it up to them. His answer when we come back. Hi dad. Many years from now, when the subaru is theirs. Hey. You missed a spot. Ill look back on this day and laugh. Love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. Just begin with americas favorite soups. Bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. Or bestever meatloaf. Go to campbellskitchen. 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You supported me forever, through all of this, and you believe, and i lied to you, and im sorry. And i will spend i will spend, and i am committed to spending as long as i have to to make amends knowing full well that i wont get very many back. Back with our panel. Betsy, daniel, Bill Strickland and jeffrey toobin. Betsy, he said hes going to spend as long as it takes to make amentz. Could he ever regain you and your husbands trust . Who knows. I mean, this is you know, again, its a range of emotions because we talked to him on the phone. He seemed sincere, and then he goes on national tv and stuff comes out of his mouth, and i was just hes cherry picking what the truth is, and i dont and hes trying to justify why some people did some stuff, and hes trying to protect a lot of people, and he doesnt he just doesnt get he does not get the hurt that hes caused people. Hes crying not crying but saying 75 million, he lost that and its never going to come back. Well, maybe he can take one ever oprahs life lessons. She can hire him and she is advertise that. I dont think he gets it. I dont think he gets it. And so i dont know. I mean, i know this is a process and i know its baby steps, and i know hes going to make mistakes, but it just seems like this is not going very well. Bill, do you think it was a mistake for him to do it in this way . I dont know. Obviously it would have been better for him to do it in private, whether that was with a therapist or like tyler and daniel were able to work through. But this is just so big that its just its kick started it into a whole different realm. I dont know if thats good for him or not. It seems to be the only way he can live. It was interesting, oprah ask him whether or not he owes an apology to david walsh, one of the few journalists who was on this story from long, long ago who was isolated by license, attacked by Lance Armstrong and he sort of and sued by Lance Armstrong. He sort of said id apologize to dave. That was basically it. Which i thought was interesting. This is a guy who, you know, was right about him from early, early on. Thats right. Hes obviously known for being extraordinarily driven, and that i think really comes out in this interview. He was asked by oprah about his state of mind. I want to play this. Were you ever in a position where you felt like, wow, i dont want to get out of bed. I know you have been running and jogging. Did it hit you to the point of i dont know what to do . I have been to a dark place that was not my doing. I have been to a place where i didnt know if i was going to live a month, six months, a year, five years, ten years. Its helped me now. I mean, this is not a good time, but it isnt the worst part of my life. I mean, you cannot compare this to a diagnosis and an advanced diagnosis and 50 50 odds or whatever the odds are. Of that sets the bar. Its close, but im an optimist. Oprah actually at one point used the word social path and narcissist and he chimed in with narcissist. Im not sure he didnt say anything about the sociopath thing but oprah asked him about why he tweeted out that picture of him in austin laying on the couch looking at all his jerseys, and he said that at the time he actually thought this was a good idea. He now realizes it was a bad idea. But it is amazing when you think, that wasnt that long ago. That was right after the usada report came out. So he was defiant and i mean, that was his mind frame, what was that, a few weeks ago. Can we just also say, id just like to say for myself i thought oprah did a phenomenal job. I thought a lot of us were prepared to say, oh, just a bunch of softballs, new age nonsense. This was great. I thought as a journalist, you know, she just did a terrific job i think she did an excellent job. In showing that photo, the tweeted toe foe with the yellow jerseys, the question she asked, what is that . I thought that was exactly the right question. What is that . Who does Something Like that . You know, theres something childlike about lance. Theres something childlike, sort of amoral about his desire. He sees something and he tries to get it with everybody fiber of his being which makes him very unique on the bike, unique as a cancer activist but you see how negative that can be. Its like hes stuck at some age. Betsy, he characterized the emotion and why he tweeted that out as just defiance. Well, i think hes going to look back and see this interview as the same thing. Well, i think its a good idea and hes going to look back and hes going to say, i dont think i should have done it, but i truly do not think it was she did not know the detail of the sport to ask followup questions. Example, for the hospital room, she could have said, lance, yes or no. Did she ask about Craig Nichols . Did she ask about stephanie or kevin livingston. Did she know to ask about this . Did she ask him on what role he had with greg lemonds bikecle. He didnt want to sit down with david walsh, you know, and answer, you know, a lifetime of david walshs questions about the doping. Clearly he wanted, you know, a venue where he felt comfortable and he had been on oprah before, as has been pointed out. Theres still more of this interview i want to show and we want to talk about. We have a quick break. Another breaking story, the death of an american in algeria. We have details and thats coming up. Well be right back. [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneurs dream. Into a scooter that talks to the cloud . Or turn 30million artifacts. Into a hightech masterpiece . Whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. Five days later, i had a massive heart attack. Bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. Now, im on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. [ male announcer ] end your long week. With a weekend getaway. Save up to forty percent on all Weekend Hotel stays. Book by january thirty first at hiltonanyweekend. Com. Talking about Lance Armstrong and the final interrue with Oprah Winfrey. Its over. Oprah was asked about what effect, if any, doping might have had an Lance Armstrongs health. Lets listen. Do you think that banned substances contributed to you getting cancer . I dont think so. Im not a doctor. I have never had a doctor tell me that or suggest that to me personally, but i dont believe so. Betsy, im curious what you thought about that because he wasnt specific about early in the interview yesterday about when the actual doping began, but, you know, as you have testified, you were in a hospital room and you heard him tell doctors about the substances he had taken. Betsy, are you still there . Im sorry, do you hear me. I couldnt hear you. Im just wondering if you think it had anything to do with his cancer . Well, of course i did. Thats why i flipped out. It didnt make sense. Now we know with all the research that growth hormone feeds cancer cells and didnt ferrari even say to floyd that he was nervous and thats about some of the stuff and thats why he didnt give lance that license didnt take growth hormone when he came back . I think its ludicrous that its not even i dont believe him again. This is another thing where i dont believe him. And, again, if people had known if, in fact, that is true, that the substances did have something to do with his cancer, if people had known that thats where that his cancer might have been impacted by that, i wonder how that would have changed the Public Perception of his whole story. Well, it was always before, you always heard, oh, it doesnt matter because they all do it, and then it became, well, you know, he does so much good, it really doesnt matter. And now its just a whole how are they going to craft this because its just its a nightmare. If i could just get back to one thing, it seems like lance is more sorry that he cant compete than having wreaked havoc on so many peoples lives. Well, when he walked usada offered him a deal, and he turned it down. He walked away when he walked away, he knowingly accepted a lifetime ban from sanctioned competition, but, as always, the rules didnt apply to him, and he thinks the rules dont apply to him now. And its just astounding. The notion that the drugs may have had something to do with his cancer it must have been talked about on the tour. It is. Floyd gives an account of his private doping doctor being concerned about that. Its worth pointing out the reason steroids and all these things are banned are not just because they give you a competitive advantage, its because they are incredibly dangerous. You can die from taking these drugs. Maybe you get cancer but there are all sorts of health effects. When we have Young Athletes who want to get better desperately, we dont want to have them take these drugs that will destroy their health. Do you think, bill, do you think he can come back . I mean, i dont know what that means, coming back. Whether its, you know if hes able to compete again, become a champion triathlete, if he i mean, is this a guy who can stay out of the public eye . I dont know if he can stay out of the public eye. You know, hes very much like a shark. Sharks have to swim to stay alive. I think he has to compete and he needs that he needs to be big and in the public acclaim. I think he can come back. I dont know if he will. You know, like i said before, i believe that hes sincere. I dont know how deep it is. Do you think he can come back . I think hell come back in a story. When you say hes big, thats how he sees himself, and hell do something that will be big and a certain percentage of people will Pay Attention to it. Whether it turns out to be something along the lines of 3wk9s comeback or along the lines of pete rose, he will be somewhere in that spectrum. Thats a big spectrum. Pete rose is like a cheesy reality show right now. Bill clinton is like one of the most popular people in the world so thats a big change of possibilities. Betsy, i cant imagine what the last two days have been like for you and i really appreciate you being on the program with us the last two nights. Its been its just been great to have your voice and im thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Im sorry for all you have been through and continue to go through related to this. Thank you and daniel coyle really, Bill Strickland, its been fascinating to have your expertise. 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It was confirmed by the state Department Later this evening by Victoria Nuland, the spokesperson. He was fredrick butaccio. And all theyre saying is he died. Details are not being given. Theyre offering condolences to family and friends. The other information coming from a u. S. Official that six americans have either been freed or actually have escaped. But there are others that are unaccounted for. So we have Victoria Nuland also remember today saying that there are u. S. Hostages. So, anderson, this is continuing as this operation in different ways proceeds. In other words, they had, we understand today, cnn was told that there was an operation that was carried out to move in and try to press even further in, get more of the terrorists, and possibly move of the hostages and that they are hunkered down, as mike rogers of the House Intelligence Committee put it. So its not over. How much frustration is there or are you hearing or sensing there is from u. S. Officials about the way the algerian government has handled the situation, particularly not informing the u. S. Or other governments about this operation before it began. Exactly. They did not get any notice. The british said it, the United States said it. There was frustration also in the lack of information, the lack of clarity, conflicting information that was given. But the other part of it is, you know, algeria has been useful in the war against terror, and they have, of course, given overflight to france to go into mali. So they are useful, but the techniques they use would not be the techniques certainly that some western governments would use or western militaries would use. They are more brutal. Theyre not they dont more plunt. Take their time coming in. Less surgical if thats the right term. Jill dougherty, i appreciate you working your sources late into the night for us. We appreciate it. Were going to be right back. Fortunately weve got ink. 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