life, has begun. his new life in confinement. momentarily, we expect to speak to an attorney for at least one of the victims who testified in this trial. there were 10 alleged victims, eight of whom we heard the testimony of in this relatively short trial. also relatively short deliberations. 21 hours for some 48 counts in all. we had a jury of 7 women, 5 men. we are not going to be hearing from any of the jurors tonight. the jurors were, while all of this has been going on outside the courthouse, the jurors have been receiving instructions from the judge not to speak to any reporters tonight. do we have justine? joining me now is justine. thank you very much for being with us. first of all, have you talked to your clients tonight? and if so, what did they feel about these -- this conviction? >> absolutely. the very first calls i made were to clients who did testify in the trial. they were greatly relieved. almost in disbelief. one of them said thank god he's in jail. and the other ones expressed sentiments that it was a long time coming. and both of them feel very, very good tonight. >> how was testifying for them? clearly, the defense was trying to, for a number of the accuserings, trying to suggest that they had a monetary motive. or that their stories had been somehow poached by police or that there had been some sort of collusion of the stories. of the victims. how was the experience for victims number 3 and 7? >> i can tell you that the experience was very difficult one. you know, as i think you may know, it's very difficult for adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse to come forward under any circumstances. but to come forward and be contacted and reluctantly come forward and then have to disclose what has occurred on such a public and such a public way, it's extremely difficult for both of them. but they did so because they believed it was the right things to do and they wanted to tell the truth. >> and what is next for them? will there be civil suits continuing on? what -- how do they move forward now? >> well, i can tell you that what they've talked to me about and what we've talked about is that they want to get back to their lives and begin to continue the process of heeling. this has been extremely stressful for them. in terms of the next phase of this, with respect to civil suits, i have no doubt that we're going to see some of those in these cases. the facts are still developing. and we still don't know everything that i think we will know about who knew about this. and what could have been done sooner. so we learned a lot in the trial. and we're learning, still, more every day about the way that this happened. and how jerry sandusky was allowed to continue to abuse children for years. >> anyone who is guilty of 45 counts of child sexual abuse is fair to describe as a monster. as a predator. do you believe -- you watched jerry sandusky closely through this trial. do you believe he knows he's guilty? do you believe he, deep down, knows he did something wrong? >> i can't climb inside his head. what i can tell you is the victims know he did something wrong. and this jury heard what the victims had to say and they know that he did something very, very wrong. the resounding message from this jury finding guilt on every sing single victim charged in this case is crystal clear. and i personally believe that this verdict tonight is attributable to the incredible courage of the victim who is have come forward. they did so under extraordinary circumstances. and i think we all owe them a great deal of gratitude for helping the public and the community better understand this issue and the challenges faced by survivors and i really -- i just can't tell you how proud i am to have the opportunity to work with these inspiring, inspiring men. >>. >> well, there have been so many people who have been abused in this manner by people who were trusted and who have never spoken out about it. and i think your clients give strength to those to perhaps come forward or at least come forward in their own life and deal with this in a way that allows them some peace and some ability to build a new life. so i hope you pass that along and our thanks and everybody's thanks should, as you said, go through with these brave young men. >> thank you. thank you so much. i appreciate you having me. >> we're going to take a quick break. we've been live for more than an hour. when we come back, we will talk to the defense attorney and others. we'll be right book. >> the sandusky family is very disappointed, obviously, by the verdict of the jury. but we respect their verdict. >> you may recall, from those of you who have been with this case from the beginning, that we said we had a tidal wave of public opinion against jerry sandusky and the charges filed against him. that he had been determined to be guilty by the public and the media from the very out set of the charges and that we had an uphill battle. i used the analogy that we were atempbting to climb mount everest from the bottom of the mountain. well, obviously, we didn't make it. well, good evening. we continue to cover the breaking news. jerry sandusky convicted on 45 of 48 counts of child sex abuse. we're going to talk to him live. right now, i want to go to jason carroll who has been covering this trial from the beginning. he was in the courtroom when the verdict was read. and jason, explain just what you saw as the verdict was read in terms of the reaction by the sandusky family. >> well, i was watching very cloeszly. i especially wanted to see the reaction on dotty sandusky's face. she just started to blink repeatedly over and over looking straegt ahead. sitting behind her is her adopted son, jonathan. and he seem today become overcome. at a point, he reached forward and put his hands on the bench. sitting next to dotty sandusky, her adopted daughter, cara. and she was also looking very straight ahead, not showing very much emotion. and that's very different from what i saw from victim number 6 who was sitting to my left. he was there with members of his family. and they all leaned forward. there was a vast difference between the two families. but, of course, you also wanted to see the reaction of jerry sandusky, the man himself. and as the verdicts were read, he was very respectful. he said no words. he gots up and was escorted from the courtroom. you have to wonder if perhaps he was in some way, prepared for this. joe told me himself that he told jerry sandusky that there was a very strong chance that he would be convicted. this was a conversation that they had long ago. and, in fact, joe told me that he had discussed with him the possibility of having some sort of an appeal. let me bring him in now. this is happening live. so we're going to bring in some photographers to get him hooked up. how are you, joe? we're going to get you hooked up now with anderson cooper. and he always has a sense of humor, anderson. that's just how joe is. all right 679 i'm going to step out of here. and i'm going to step in here with anderson cooper. you'll be live here. and as you're getting hooked up here, before you get a chance for anderson to talk to, give us a sense of how your client, what jerry sandusky said to you. >> i don't hear anything. >> joe, it's anderson cooper, can you hear me? >> i can. great. >> i'm good. did jerry sandusky say anything to you after the verdict was read? >> no, he really didn't. he looked at me and obviously he was distraught and disappointed, but he didn't say anything verbally. >> what happens to him now? we saw him being let out in handcuffs. he goes off to, i guess, a jail. we're told that sentencing will be any time within 90 days. what happened -- what do you do tomorrow? what is the next process? >> well, tomorrow, i gather my wits and we start thinking about sentencing. that's the next step. and start planning our pulishes. we'll have to get a transcript of the trial and then we'll decide how we're going to proceed after sentencing. the sentencing, probably, anderson, will take place in september. >> you said that you believe there are a number of issues on appeal. you may be able to have some sort of a case for. but no matter what you use to appeal, i mean, do you really believe you have enough that could actually overturn 45 counts against jerry sandusky? >> well, yeah, if you went on one of the appeal issues, everything probably falls. so all we have to do is convince an appellate court that one of the issues that we will raise is worthy of a reversal. if there's a reversal, everything comes back, anderson. it doesn't matter. it could still all come back if an appeal is granted and a higher court determines that we had a valid issue. >> did you want your client to try to go for some sort of plea agreement? >> no, as a matter of fact, jerry sandusky never considered a plea agreement. he always maintained his innocence. and that's something that's important. that's something that's important for everyone to understand. for better for for worse, none of us were there when any of these things happened. but he always maintained that he was innocent. >> the discussion about whether or not he was going to testify, where did you stand on that? >> well, what happened, he intended to testify. he always wanted to testify and tell his side of the story. and what happened was late last week on a thursday afternoon, the commonwealth indicated it miegt have additional information that it wanted to present before it closed. we didn't know what it was. later that evening, we received a call from the common welt and the commonwealth attorney indicated that matt sandusky had talked to them and indicated that jerry sandusky had abused him. at that point, i objected to the surprise. the judge was involved in the conference. we had always intended jerry to testify. this tremendously undercut our defense. i had promised the jury that jerry would testify. the next day, the commonwealth alerted me to the fact that it had thought about its issue with matt sandusky. meaning it would rest without calling him. that put us in a position of trying to decide if there was some way we could call jerry sandusky as a witness and jerry could testify without triggering matt's testimony and rebuttal. we decided we couldn't. it was too risky and we also decided that if jerry testified and then matt testified, regardless of the fact that not only jerry but dotty and the other five siblings of matt's all indicated meat would be lying, that it would be absolutely catastrophic with this jury to hear matt come in and say jerry abused him, too. at the last moment, it was really literally the last moment this wednesday morning a couple days ago, that jerry finally decided he would not testify and take his attorney's advice. but that's how that developed. he always wanted to testify, anderson. >> and had you intended to have matt sandusky testify on behalf of his father? >> absolutely. he adamantly defended his father and said that no abuse ever occurred, even though the commonwealth attorneys at that proceeding grilled him about jerry aes abuse of him as a child. he denied it. he left that proceeding and said he was so angry, he retained private council and actually wanted to release a press release to the media and to the public explaining that the commonwealth had pressured him into saying that his dad had abused him. that was not the case and he was very angry about the efforts to do so. he also indicated he would be a witness and sat with his family. and one of the family membered scoffed who was testifying about abuse indicating it was ridiculous what the individual was alleging. so, yes, we were always intending to put him on as a witness. >> do you know what changed? i mean, he was there the first day of the trial. do you know what changed in matt sandusky's mind? >> the family tells us that matt has had a history of mental health issues. that matt goes up and down. matt has time times when he loves someone and times when he hates that person. the irony is that matt had stayed at his family's house and dotty sandusky tells me that matt, his current wife who is pregnant, had asked dotty to host a baby shower for her within days of matt doing what he did. so the family was very per plexed, anderson. but all the other five siblings, as well as dotty, were prepared to testify to reput whatever matt had said. so we were prepared to handle it if it came forward. but on the other hand, if we could avoid it coming into play at all, we felt jerry's best chance was proceeding with the defense that we presented. >> i know it's been a long day for you. i appreciate you talking to us tonight. thank you. >> any time, anderson. >> the jury returned convictions in the cases of all ten, michael booney, the lawyer for victim number one joins us now. >> my whole world is shut down. >> the doctor called and he said your lymph nodes came back positive. >> i saw the look in her face. >> at first we shielded the kids from everything. we did lots of research. >> we knew gina had a complicated case. sleep train has your ticket to tempur-pedic. experience the pressure-relieving comfort of tempur-pedic, and sleep risk-free with sleep train's 100-day money back guarantee. get 36 months interest-free financing: no down, and no interest for 3 years. plus, get free same-day delivery. sleep train's 100-day money back guarantee, interest-free financing, and free delivery? that's the ticket! sleep train's ticket to tempur-pedic is on now. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ welcome back. we continue our live, breaking coverage of the verdict in the jerry sandusky trial. 45 counts -- 45 guilty counts, three not guilty kounts. 25 of them are felony counts. 14 first-degree felony counts. maximum sentence for jerry sandusky is facing 442 years with sentencing sometime in the next 90 days. we received a stamt from the paterno family. we understand the task of healing is just beginning, today's verdict is an important milestone. our thought ts and prayers continue to be with the victims and their families. it also bears that pointing out that today is the five-month anniversary of joe paterno's death. the lawyer for victim number one joins me now on the phone. michael, it was really your client who first came forward and that's why he gets the title victim number one. have you talked to him tonight? how is he feeling? >> he's feeling elated. yes, anderson, i got off the phone with my client about 15, 20 minutes ago. unfortunately, he has a night shift. he graduated high school a few weeks ago and already has a job. so he's got to spend his evening doing security at a night shift. but he is elated, as is his mother, who was crying. she was with her family. and they feel very, very empowered right now by this decision. >> i don't think a lot of people can understand the strength it must have taken for your client to come forward and break his silence and allow, frankly, all the other victims to then break their silence. it was only after your client came forward and revealed wa had happened to him that all the others began to come forward, as well. >> that's absolutely right. i know my client well. we've dined on a number of occasions. we've met on a number of occasions. there's something within him, there's an inner strength that's hidden by his frail frame. but there's something so powerful and strong in him and whatever it took to must er mus within him to tell his story is frankly the reason we're all gathered around the television frankly around the country, and maybe around the world tonight. and to be going through this trial, the preparation for the trial while you are, i assume, a senior in high school, i can't imagine who difficult that was. what was the process of testifying like for him? the defense, you know, as they did with a number of the victims, you know, tried to indicate, well, they're perhaps in it for the money. they all have attorneys or many of them have attorneys or they perhaps were coached by police or their stories -- there was collusion among their stories. how was testifying for your client? >> it was a daunting, daunting task for him. i'll say this to get credit where it's due. the prosecution did a fantastic job preparing the witnesses. and particularly the victims. at trial. there were quite a few questions that came out of left field that they were not prepared to respond to. they knew the questions were coming about the when you got a lawyer and are you in this for the money. and do you know the nine argued friends? did you prepare notes and all of that. they were prepared for all of those very desperate and frankly defensive defenses. they were certainly preposterous to say there was any collusion. my client came out first without knowing any of the other victims. we didn't have a lawyer until november of last year when he was overwhelmed by this press. >> i talked to a supporter of jerry sandusky, i believe her name is joyce porter who actually testified. and she said it seems like a number of victims changed their stories over time. i talked to a number of child sex abuse who said it's not uncommon for victims, particularly young victim, to have to, over time, reveal the true horror of what they went through. to those who, my question, if your client changed his story and if so, why, what do you say? >> yeah, the answer is simple. it fits -- it fits the textbook pat earn of what victims of sexual abuse go through. it is extreme shame fear and embarrassment. it's practically impossible for those victims to tell the story full on from beginning to end. they tend to roll it out in phases because of how painful it is hearing what comes out of their mouth. they tend to down play it in the beginning. and then as time goes on and counseling takes route, it took months and months and months for my client's counselor to gain the trust of my client. they developed a very power ffu healthy relationship. and with the assistance of the counselor, he was able to finally come out and tell me, you know, the full story of what happened to him. and that took a long time. >> well, michael, i know it has been a long road and will continue to be for your client. i appreciate you talking to us tonight. we wish him and his family the best. we heard from victim number 6's mother. tonight was quoted as saying nobody wins. we've all lost. our legal panel weighs in next. we'll be right back. cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas... domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... that's smarter power today. i tell mike what i can spend. i do my best to make that work. we're driving safely. and sue saved money on brakes. now that's personal pricing. this, the moment when we and the world heard the verdict. all the charged accounts against jerry sandusky, 45 counts guilty, three counts not guilty. again, the crowd outside the courtroom erupting into applauds. you saw courtroom observers trying to get the word out from what they saw. we heard from jason carroll what he saw from the reaction of the sandusky family. i want to bring in our legal panel, criminal defense attorney. on the phone, senior analyst jeffrey tubin and marcia clark and a new york legal analyst sonny hoston. your thoughts on what you've witnessed over the last hour and a half or so since you got the verdict? >> there's so many conflicting thoughts. it's horrible what happened to that community of penn state. awful what they've been through. you think about joe paterno and that statement that was being released and then today being the five-month anniversary of his death which was probably hastened by that whole thing. you see that crowd kind of out there cheering which i think, you know, i know some people think that's an emotional or can that are tick release, but any time you have something like this, i think you had said, anderson, it was one of the victims or lawyers who said there are no winners here. there's clearly no winners. and the idea of sharie in cheert a little much. you think about joe getting there and just feeling, i guess, overwhelmed by all of this and talking ablt just having such a fatalistic attitude about it, which the perplexing. the whole thing is a microcosm of what we've seen today. i think maybe the english have it right with their contempt of court act. there's certain points on these kinds of cases that it might be best to let these things be tried not under the glare of the media spot light. it might be better to kind of delay everything and let these kinds of cases get tried the way that 99.999% of all krlt trials get tried. i don't know. that's just me venting, i suppose. >> i received a tweet from someone who said stop referring to them as victims. they are survivors of this trial. we've been using the term victim number 6, victim number 1 buzz that is how they've been referred to by the prosecution in court documents. sonny, your thought on the conditions and what you've seen in the last hour and a half? the reaction to it. ? >> i think what is strierking to me is that perhaps the good thing that comes out of this terrible tragedy of a serial child predator is that we are actually talking about it because it always struck me when i was prosecuting these cases is that they are just shrouded in shame. people don't want to talk about it. they're shrouded in secrecy. that is why many victims don't come forward. so i think perhaps the fact that we're all talking about it, the fact that people are cheering, the fact that people are tweeting about it is a good thing that comes from this. it did take extraordinary strength for these survivors of child sex abuse to come forward in a high profile case. in front of so many people and talk about these terrible things that happened to them. so i think in some respectings, i'm comforted that we are talking about this very important issue because this is happening all over our country. one in six boys are victims of child sex abuse. one in three girls are victims of child sex abuse. so we need to talk about this more. >> it's an important point. and the statistics, the numbers are startling and sickening, frankly. and i do think you're right. it's not something that's covered. it's so uncomfortable. people don't want to watch the television. they want to turn the channel. that doesn't help those who are trying to survive it and get justice. not talking about it doesn't help. >> i agree with sonny. i don't know how else people could have responded for this critic other than i understand it feels so macabre. but understand, anderson, that we've seen so many big trials go belly up. but there's also a tear for the case that had overwhelming evidence that really did result in the correct verngt. and i think they were happy with that. i'm glad it was reported and covered as much as it was because it gives us -- i think it will turn the tide. i think it will wind up having a great impact on others who have failed to come forward, who are fearful of report iing because they wouldn't be believed. people don't want to believe them and reject their statements. i think this will give a real shot in the arm. and i've been urging people on twitter and facebook to report. come forward. i think people are ready to leave. the people in power aren't necessarily to be believed over the children who have been abused. and this is a case that stands for that and so much more. i wanted to add one more point. there's been talk about a possible reversal on appeal. it's very, very rare to be reversed on appeal in general. but specifically, when the case hinges on credibility of witnesses, as this one does, this is critical in this case. you had primarily the credibility of the victims. when a case hinges on credibility, it almost never gets reversed on appeal because the court of appeal has to defer to the jurors. they defer to the jurors when it comes to a matter of credibility. so they will say that the jurors made the call and that no error could be found harmful enough to say that the jurors would have made a different decision. so it's pointed out that they'll be deemed harmless on appeal. so i just wanted to clear that up, as well. i think this is a very important day on so many fronts. >> yeah, and jeff tubin is joining us, as well, on the phone. jeff, it is extraordinary to talk to victim number one to think that this is a kid who just recently graduated high school. so when he came forward, he was in high school just at the young age of this victim added to the difficulty of coming forward and not realizing at the time i assume that there were other victims out there. so the strength for this young man to come forward, i find pretty extraordinary. >> indeed. >> and i'd just like to point out there was another very important piece of news today which was monosenior william lynn in philadelphia became the first senior roman catholic official to be convicted of covering up child abuse by priests. and the catholic church in philadelphia, and, frankly, much else dshl many other places in the united states, behaved abomblely there covering up the abuse and protecting priests. and penn state behaved abomblely in letting jerry sandusky prey on children. the thing that haunts me in this case is this awful scene that we've talked about so many times of mike mcquery, the assistant coach, seeing jerry sandusky raping a little boy in the shower in 2002. jerry sandusky snt arrested for another decade. how many kids did he abruise in that tech kad because penn state and senior people didn't do their jobs? and the catholic church and penn state have a lot to answer for. and i'm glad marcia and sonny are optimistic and take some solids from today's verkt. but i don't. i see this as a story of failure, not success. >> it's also after sandusky, allegedly, his privileges of use of athletic facilities of penn state were to stop. he wasn't supposed to be able to bring children there. and yet that was still in force. and, again -- >> and he continued to run the second mile which was entirely dedicated to the treatment, the supposed helping of children. so jerry sandusky devoted his life to being around young children. and i suspected we will never, ever know how many he abused. but the ten in this case are certainly bad enough. and it's -- it just has to haunt us. how many people knew about this and didn't come forward. and the victims who suffered after that are haunted more than any of us. >> marcia clark, in your experience, a high-profile prisoner who has been convicted of child sexual abuse, are they in the general population in prisons? >> no, can't be. it's too dangerous. and they in general, they try to sequester them in a sprat place. there used to be separate tanks, we call them. and i don't know that they have specific tanks for them today, but they do try to keep them separate because they're in grave danger. and i've had quite a few who have written to me fearful. so they're goirng to have to be very careful. >> we're joined by victim number 5 and sur vie involve number 5. i assume you talked to your client tonight. how is he doing? >> i texted him i've been on the grounds here. it's been almost impossible to get a text signal out. we talked about how he's gotten through this with the support of his family, his girlfriend, his cloesz friends. he's a wonderful young man. this was a case, anderson, like so many of these young men where the police showed up at their door. they didn't seek this out. they had this horrible memory in -- literally buried in their soul. and they came forward because they were literally forced to come forward. he viewed this as an obligation of citizenship. as soon as i get done talking to you and a few others, i'm going to talk to him. >> and how difficult was the trial? how difficult was getting up on that stand facing jerry sandusky? >> well, i can tell you, i saw every stitch of the testimony in this trial, including my client. he took the stand. it was very difficult. he described how he took the stand and he came in and he sat down and he looked towards mr. sandusky and he told me that mr. sandusky was staring back at him the entire time. there was an awkward moemt during my client's testimony which i think is illustrative of mr. sandusky himself. there was a brief story in the warm-up to these horrible, dastardly events that took place where my client was explaining how he met mr. sandusky. and mr. sandusky was playing a polish gangster in a skit and they engaged in a conversation about it. sandusky looked at my client almost enduringly. i didn't see any of the same to wards his family. i thaulgt the elephant was dorothy sandusky and how there wasn't an inch of testimony, a millimeter of testimony, about any affection or normal relations that he had with her or he had with his six children who were also absent as witnesses. >> in terms of whapsz now, the defense is saying they're going to look at the issues for what appeals are and he feels good. do you buy any of that? do you worry about that at all? >> i don't worry about it for a bit. i was here from the beginning to the end. i've been followinger legal r e ruling and everything here. he was on the courthouse steps retrying his case. his case was largely that this was a conspiracy among the prosecuto prosecutors, the police, the friel lawyers and the media. all of whom conspired to get this man. that's not the case at all. the fact of the matter is that this man was guilt. i would expect that he now spends the rest of his life in jail. >> we, tom, i appreciate you being on with us tonight and our best to your client and his family. we are going to take a quick break. we're going to continue to be live at the top of the hour. more from our panel of legal experts jugs ahead. well, justice was done tonight in the jerry sandusky child rape case. the jury spoke and spoke loud day, convicting the former penn state assistant coach and local one-time hero of 45 counts. ten survivors. their allegations entirely vindicated. jason was inside the courtroom as the verkt came in. jason, your thoughts? you've had some time to reflect. you've been covering this from the beginning. all the aspects of this case. what really stands out to you tonight? >> what i see is a vast difference from where we are now as to where we were several months ago in the very beginning when the allegations first surfaced. it was such a sense of disbelief. how could something like this happen? how could allegations like this be connected to a man like jerry sandusky who was so well respected throughout the community. and then you saw things change. people still couldn't believe anderson as more accusers came forward, as people in the community began to learn more and more about this case, their opinions started to change. and of course we got to where we are tonight. we came outside and everyone who gathered in front of the courthouse erupted in applause when they heard the guilty verkts. but one thing really sticks with me. that is the accusers. seeing them testify in court was painful. it was painful to watch as you saw these young men get up there and talk about very person things and perhaps victim number six mother, perhaps she said it best. she said nobody wins. we've all lost. and then she -- and then she hugged her son and they hugged each other. that's what really resonates with me. you spoke to one of the accusers after he testified. what did he talk to you about? >> well, oddly enough, it was victim number six. and this young man who is is now a bible stunt, he was sexually asaulted by jerry sandusky. in a shower at penn state. and strangely enough, anderson, no one seemed to notice him. so we very delicately kind of walked up to him. i asked him to share some of his feelings with me. what he couldn't get over was the overwhelming attention that had been brought to the case because he really wasn't paying attention and watching the news and just trying to stay away from it. he said the whole thing still didn't really seem real. so my impression was someone who was trying to come to terms with something that had happened to him. >> well, jason, you've been doing remarkable reporting through this entire process. i appreciate you joining us tonight and staying up with us. we're going to be right back. our coverage continues. by using a mobile solution, in a whole new way. using real-time photo sharing abilities, they can create and maintain high standards, from kitchen to table. this technology allows us to collaborate with our drivers to make a better experience for our customers. 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