Floyd noahs shows have become even more personal and poignant. I dont know what made that video more painful for people to watch. The fact that that man was having his life taken in front of our eyes, the fact we were watching someone being murdered by someone whose job is to protect and serve, or the fact he seems so calm doing it. Noah was born during apartheid in south africa. His father black, his mother white. And the transformation weve seen in south africa is where we began our conversation. One of the reasons i wanted to talk to you particularly in this time is that i spent a fair amount of time in south africa in the days before mandela was elected and i was able to be there on one of most extraordinary days of my life to witness. You are from a country which has undergone this extraordinary transformation. A transformation when i first went there in 1985 people said, oh, its impossible, its going to end up in a bloodbath, and that has not happened. So you are from a place where transformation and reform has taken place. How optimistic are you that reform in Police Departments in america is possible, that reform in the inequalities in the Health Care System in america, in the Education System is actually possible . Well, heres one of the biggest things coming from south africa toward me is that fixing the problem is the first step. You then have to deal with all of the effects that the problem created. And so i saw this firsthand. I come from a country where black people were given the freedom that they deserved, but then they very quickly realized that freedom was the beginning. Freedom was where the work begins. You now have to undo all of those years, all of those decades of systemic racism. You have to undo all of those years where a giant chunk of the population wasnt afforded education, where a giant chunk of the population wasnt treated as human beings. How do you catch all of those people up . And so i always think theres hope. I genuinely always think theres hope. I think theres always work to be done but theres hope because we are where we are. I dont live in a world where i say its hopeless. If i wasnt an optimist then i would be denying my existence. For me i have to be optimistic, and i think america has an opportunity. And you were born at a time in south africa where just being born to the family, to a mother who was black and a father who was white was illegal. And they used to hide you because of that. Right. And so i come from that world, you know . My mother suffered in ways i cant even imagine. My family, my community, my country. And whats interesting to me is as any scholar of apartheid would know the stories are so similar to whats happening in america. The dynamics are different but theyre so similar. And what gives me hope is the people in the streets. What gives me hope is seeing black people, white people, brown people, asian people, everyone walking together saying black lives matter. That gives me hope. You come from a country which as we talked about has gone through this extraordinary transformation. One of the most moving things i have seen are some of the testimony that took place during the truth of Reconciliation Commissions in south africa started back in 1995. And they were televised i mean, people saw them around the world. But in south africa it transfixed the nation because you suddenly had, you know, White Police Officers who had been the tortures and beating people as part of the apartheid system, you know, admitting to their crimes in some cases. In some cases they got immunity. In some cases they didnt. I just want to show for viewers in america who dont know about this just a clip from one of the hearings which was broadcast, and then well talk about it. If you say we assaulted you then i would concede in all probability i did. This went on and on and just it was extraordinary. And im wondering i mean, is that a step toward overcoming this countrys original sin . I dont think theres any perfect system when youre trying to fix the legacy of racism. What i do know is as a south african and i can only speak for myself and my family and the people i experienced this with the truth and Reconciliation Commission gave us something that is so badly needed in the wake of a system that has oppressed people and that is closure. The catharsis of the acknowledgement of what happened to you by the people that did it to you. And what ive noticed in america is there is a certain reticence around accepting americas history. People feel like if they acknowledge today what happened 400 years ago they then have to somehow pay a price now for when in fact thats not the truth. The acknowledgement of that helps everybody move forward. When you agree how people got to where they are today you can then have a better understanding how to get them where they need to be. But until you do that youre not dealing from an agreed place. Youre not dealing from an agreed history. And that for me is a fundamentally dangerous place to be because how do we know where were going if we cant agree where weve been . And so in many ways thats what america has been forced to go through in an ugly way right now. Cellphone cameras have brought you a truth and Reconciliation Commission. Right now there hasnt been reconciliation but the truth is coming out. For many years black americans have said, hey, im living in a world where i might just be walking, im just driving, im just being black and police are treating me in an inferior way to my fellow white countrymen and for so many years people said this is insane, impossible, this is not true. And i believe many people didnt believe it because they had never seen policemen do such a thing. 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By taking metamucil every day. Im always interested in how we see things through our own lenses, we see things through different lenses. Lenses that were based on where were born, the color of our skin, our socyeeconomic status. Some people see the huge number of protesters in the streets. They see it as overwhelmingly peaceful, which it is and an opportunity for change. Others focus on they see looting and rioting, and that defines how they see everything. And you talked a little bit about this on your program. And just want to play something you said about looting. Maybe it would help you if you think about that unease that you felt watching that target being looted. Try to imagine how it must feel for black americans when they watch themselves being looted every single day. Because thats fundamentally whats happening in america. Police in america are looting black bodies. I wonder if youd talk a little bit more about that because i think its an image that i think that startles some people. Heres the thing i think a lot of people dont understand. Black americans and people who are marching in the streets, all of these activists and organizers, when theyre fighting, when theyre out there in the streets what theyre protesting for is law and order. Theyre fighting for an equal application of law and order, and i think thats what a lot of people dont realize. A lot of people see a video of target being looted or a wendys being burned down and i understand why that freaks you out because none of us wants to live in that society. I dont want to live in a world where things are being burnt down, nobody does. But what do you think it feels like to be a person who lives in a world where the people who are tasked with protecting and serving you do neither of those things . And so if police are not following the laws, and if police are the people who are meant to be enforcing the laws, thats a fundamental break down in the contract people have with their society. And so i think a lot of the time people dont ask why. People go is looting good, is looting bad, is protesting good or is protesting bad, but they dont go why. Why is this happening . So what really gets me is when i see like an argument that sometimes people dont look at holistically. I see people say, you know, george floyd had a criminal history, george floyd had an issue with drugs, george floyd i go, yeah, but understand what youre saying right now. So many people say george floyd died because he had a criminal history. But i dont think enough people are looking at this holistically and asking themselves this question. Why do you know he had a criminal history . Because he paid the price for the crimes he committed. Thats why we say someone has a history because youve done the time. That is the purpose of what youve done is youve done the time. He didnt die because of his criminal history. He died because the man who had his knee on his neck for that 8 minutes and 46 seconds never paid the price for his history of infringements. He never paid the price for the things he did wrong. The reason george floyd is dead is because the person who had the power to put his knee on his neck never paid a price for that 18 or 20 things that we know about from his record that got him to that moment in time. And the differences in that video is you have two men, two men in particular where one has been forced to pay the price for every transgression theyve made against society and one has not. And because of that the other has lost their life. Its also you hear a lot and, you know, the phrase you hear sometimes, well, if, you know, he had a criminal history or if he resisted arrest and if he hadnt done that none of this would have happened. And then, you know, another incident occurs and its its Breonna Taylor asleepin an apartment, and its a noknock warrant, door busts in, they werent there for her and she gets shot and killed. And its, well, you know, the kids shouldnt have been in the park with an air rifle or i cant remember the particular situation a toy handgun or toy hand rifle. Tamir rice, yes. After a while you run out of possible explanations. I dont think we run out of possible explanations. I think we avoid the most obvious explanation, and that is that black people are seen as an inherent threat. The darker your skin the more threatening you seem. The bigger you are the more threatening you seem. People forget people always focus on the people who have died, which we always have to do. We have to think about the walter scotts, the tamir rices, but i think people forget people are fighting for black lives. People are fighting for the black people who are still alive so that that doesnt happen to them. 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And the particular verbage she used was illuminating about she said to him i will tell them an africanamerican. Man is threatening my life. I will tell them an africanamerican man is threatening my life. Thats what she said. Yeah. Which is not saying ill tell them youre threatening me. Its i will tell them an africanamerican man is threatening me. Its i dont know i assume she was thinking she knew what she was saying. I dont assume it. I think it was one of the most powerful moments we have seen on camera. Oftentimes we rnlt given a look into the mind of people who use the police as a weapon or as a tool. To dole out justice in their opinion or revenge against black people. Were not in their minds. In this instance, im genuinely grateful this on camera, he was able to catch her explicitly saying whats going on. I will use how the police react to you and your skin color against you. I will tell them i wont tell them im in danger. Im afraid. I wont tell them theres a man. No, i will tell them exactly what i know they need to hear to approach the situation in a way that will give you deal to you the most egregious bodily harm possible. That was a threat. In that moment she showed that rarely sometimes its going i know how the structures of power work in the world. I understand systemic racism and how it works. And im going to use it against you. Because you dared to challenge me for breaking the rules. Whats interesting when you compare to the woman in the park with the dog. She picking up the phone and calling the police there was not an ounce of doubt in her mind how that would go. She had complete confidence in the police and the fact that theres such a division in how my experience growing up with the police and are different than mr. Cooper in the park experience with the police. I think thats the disconnect. Thats the awakening america is going through has been going through and will continue to go through. 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There are so many white poor americans who will not be treated the same way. These rules will effect all police. Thats what people immediate to realize. This is is about everybody winning. Black lives matter is about fighting for rights and youll benefit from that as well. Nobody will live in a society where people are being killed for the color of their skin. Nobody will have to deal with the trama of seeing images on their phones. Or deal with the people who are protesting for rights because they have been given them and society is more just. Trevor noah. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. Trevor noah from the daily show. Thats our conversation tonight. Thanks for watching. This is cnn tonight im don lemon. Angry, threatening and defensive. President Trump Holding a Campaign Rally tomorrow in tulsa, oklahoma, despite warnings from health perktss that its a bad idea to pack 20,000 people into an arena in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic. 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