our manufacturing labor market. and the jobs we're bringing back, you know, there was a great "new york times" story that said, ge is bringing back jobs home. great. the jobs that were there before paid 30 bucks an hour. the new jobs ge brought back home paid $12 to $20 an hour. so, yes, we have to do better in manufacturing and drive the wages up there, too. >> a really good point. scott, let me ask you. do we lose out on innovation if we don't have more manufacturing jobs or bring back more? my dad who worked in industry, he says, innovation happens on the factory floor, from a guy on a line who figures out a better way to do something. >> it does. have you a slew of management consultants at harvard, m.i.t. and other places saying separating innovation from production was a lousy idea. that you should try to sell -- make things in the market you're trying to sell in. where you're innovating as well. that you lose a lot of that potential when the production goes overseas. so i do still think that there will be some offshoring. i think there are some folks who