we could expect that trend to continue. we can also expect to see rising wages overseas. that makes u.s. manufacturing look a lot more competitive. what we don't know about is christine, is public policy, and i firmly believe that we need the right public policies, both internally and then with our trade policies, to achieve that 1 million jobs goal. i think we can get it done. i think there's public support for it. and i do think it's an economic imperative we try to grow manufacturing. regrow manufacturing. i don't think it's a guarantee. >> let's bring in richard. the question is, manufacturing might not be driving new job creation, even if you do have more manufacturing returning to u.s. shores. as the u.s. has lost manufacturing jobs, manufacturing output is up. are we going to see a manufacturing renaissance but it won't be a manufacturing jobs renaissance? >> i think the u.s. will always be a great manufacturing nation.