the world, and we would win if we put ground troops, and what would we get. we did win in iraq a couple of times, but what do you do about baghdad and as general marks was saying, the governance is the key important issue here, because if baghdad does maintain and holdramadi, they have to treat the sunnis in a way that they cannot revert back to the sectarian ways of repressing these people, otherwise the conflict will go on for the next 30 years, and we have limited influence on baghdad. american americans feel in. they simply dot no trust the political solutions that we have come up with, and trust the m l military, but not the political solutions. >> all right. we will see bob baer and general mark, and thank you, both, for this next story that we are