world. that's their words, not ours. that was a testy interview with the chair of the senate intelligence committee, senator dianne feinstein. we're going to have more of the interview coming up. i want our viewers to see it. she says the cia interrogation program over these years was flawed and that it completely failed. let's get a different perspective. joiningis now is bill harlow, former cia director of public affairs and also the man behind this new website, ciasavedlives.com. thanks very much for joining us. i should point out, you're a retired u.s. navy captain, served at the pentagon when i was the cnn correspondent there. we've known each other for a long time as well, just as i've known senator feinstein for a long time. when you retired from the navy during the clinton administration, you went to work for public affairs at cia. you state through those early years of the bush administration. you were there when these enhanced interrogation tactics,