kiev is seen in rebel eyes as fabricated, as intended to -- essentially to draw nato into ukraine. that's the understanding. the rebels think ukrainians want to establish more precedent to involve nato forces in ukraine in order to escalate western involvement and western attachment to the new government in kiev. >> is there anything else you want people to know about the crash site, about what is happening there right now? >> you know, i think one, for me, the important thing to note is there's still a lot of work to be done in order to secure the bodies. there's a lot of people talking about -- talking about the parts of the plane. talking about establishing evidence chains in order to have a proper investigation.