place for him. i wouldn't go above the first floor of any building. so this is strange. i think there's much of this we don't understand yet, and it certainly bears watching. >> what do you think -- what do you think happens to the wagner forces? because, i mean, they've played a critical role in -- i think they have in the war in ukraine. prigozhin certainly has portrayed it as such. they've been allowed to operate. they were the ones recruiting all those convicts to be canon fodder and just go into the meat grinder around bakhmut. what happens now to them? >> well, you wonder if part of this -- part of the motivation for this greet at least on putin's part is to somehow split it up. and the irony here is the wagner group has been the most effective fighting force for the russians in ukraine.