>> exactly. they've been saying, oh, well, you have to work out your judicial remedies. but then once they try them, they try to shut them down. but it's worse than that. it's scarier than that. it suggests that everything he's done and will do is now off the table once these impeachment articles have been brought. it's wrong also because the mcgahn testimony -- recall from mueller, mcgahn is told by trump to fire mueller and then told by trump to lie about it. there's a pattern there, and the articles invoke that. and of course as doug letter says, it's a little bit of saber rattling. but if they find more stuff -- this happened with andrew johnson -- that's more counts of impeachment. nothing is changed in that respect. so there's no less urgency than there was before to get their hands on the mcgahn testimony. >> you know, john, i have to ask. you think about this going to the senate at some point in time. we know the senators are going to essentially be the jurors.