illegal. that's his opinion. as to what happened on the phone call, that's where the substance is. jamie, listen, you're also reporting about trump's message to republicans. particularly vulnerable republicans who need money. and it is? >> i think we have another quid pro quo. trump has a lot of money. he's raising plenty of money at the white house. not so much for republicans on the hill. so what is he saying to them? if you don't defend me, if you don't sign this resolution that this impeachment isn't fair, guess what? you don't get money. if you do, i'll give you money. that can make the difference for a lot of these people. susan collins, not getting any money right now. so another quid pro quo and another sign of, i'll going to use the "b" word.