assessments from the same man about the same man. do you think the president will turn on rudy giuliani if things get too sticky? >> well, we've seen that he's already turning. he's being kind of abrupt in the answers. he's not providing any kind of defense. he doesn't, probably, know the full extent of what kind of problems rudy faces. none of us do. rudy may have a glimmering of it. but he doesn't know what these guys may or may not do. whether they'll flip or not, as been discussed in this program. i thought rudy's answer was fascinating when he was asked by a reporter what he thought of the -- whether they were flip on him, and his response was, good luck. that's all he had to say, which isn't very much. but trump is clearly putting a distance between himself and rudy, as he's done with people like paul manafort and as he did with michael cohen. >> as we look at all this, house democrats, today, slapping