>> that is absolutely correct. >> so are you saying -- so let me ask you this. >> for centuries. >> okay. so, from what you have read and what you have seen from the texts, from the system, from the readout of the phone call, from the whistleblower complaint and on and on, do you think that the president did something illegal? >> well, certainly. when he stood on the lawn yesterday and asked china directly, and we know that he asked ukraine in that phone call to interfere in our election, to dig up dirt on a political opponent, absolutely. that is -- >> so you think the evidence is there? >> that is prima facie illegal. >> so you think the evidence is there because people are saying, we need more evidence. we need to do this. you think the evidence is already there? >> my reading is that he has -- he has admitted that that was