corruption, what he's saying is i have an absolute right to invite foreign countries to interfere in the u.s. election on my behalf, which is again the law and is against -- that's exactly what the founding fathers feared. that's why they wrote the impeachment clause in the constitution, to avoid the kind of behavior that trump is now engaged in. >> let's get back to these -- to what's happening with the possibility of this second whistleblower, okay, ryan? what could we learn beyond the text messages, beyond the transcript, beyond what max was just talking about saying it on the south lawn? what else could we learn? >> well, first of all, i don't think max is right that this is the only case of corruption trump cares about. i think he still has a passing interest in hillary clinton's emails. so let's just stipulate that. but, look, the reporting from the "times" suggests that this is one of the people, right, who was interviewed in the process of corroborating the initial whistleblower's account, and it