i think had it not been for donald trump, ted cruz very likely would have been the republican nominee. that's where the ground game very much still does matter. elizabeth warren actually had a very formidable ground game in the early states. that's why the trump campaign is internally somewhat concerned about her prospects and just to the point you made about the rust belt and this tension in the democratic party, donald trump won those states by maybe 20,000 to 22,000 votes. the margins are really, really tight. the question for democrats is are they going to make a really big play for those independent-minded voters through this approach of incrementalism or try and put together that obama coalition of voters and really double down on the base it sh. >> that's what they need. >> which is people of color, young voters and women. >> they don't have to be mutually exclusive, either. >> i mean, remember, cruz who had, you know, by all accounts a brilliant team of strategists based their voter models off a 6 million people turnout in texas. how many turned out? 8 million. that's why beto o'rourke actually came as close as he did.