washington, d.c. a few years ago. we have seen the russian intelligence services for years have used the porous southern border. we have that border and over other nations know it. it's not surprising to me. i think in honduras they had some 13,000 individuals who came to honduras trying to go up north that they intercepted to get into the united states. this is five but there are thousands more to try to use that southern border to get into the united states. >> do you think it feeds into a bigger isis narrative or plan? >> absolutely. this is the biggest propaganda gift to al qaeda and i would say to isis. when you tell them the syrian refugee who chose the west. they didn't choose to live in an islamic state, it's a slap in the face of isis, who actually in their website and their