up the broken pieces of my life and carry on. this is nothing new. what happened to john boehner, the reason he got out and mccarthy got out, you can argue there are some personal things about mccarthy, he couldn't get enough votes, he could not get a split divided caucus. this has been going on a long time. you've got the right and more established republicans and together under one banner is impossible for me to imagine, even if it's paul ryan and i can't imagine the freedom caucus to get behind paul ryan 100%. >> katy? >> i think paul ryan is sort of a different animal and somebody incredibly likable. i do think if he decides to move forward and get in, the freedom caucus will support him because they know they don't have the votes to elect a speaker on their own and that this would be a pretty good situation for them. you know, paul ryan is a very conservative, very, you know, far right candidate for this job and as i said, he's intensely