>> i think there's some politeness in, and it's a whole thing, al gore, george bush, is probably the best example. allegory could have said i won this election, i was screwed by the supreme court, and he didn't. so this honor in that. but it is not in an ounce of comparison to what donald trump did. if somehow she could've used the instrument of the state government to overthrow the results, that's different. that didn't happen. >> but i don't want to go down that path. that, for me, and i agree with you wholeheartedly, many times you have to debug when individuals say when they go down this path, the whataboutism. i want to talk about the gravity of donald trump's decision-making here. one of the things and when i go to act one what i don't want people to look at is just donald trump's words. when people try to look at the words of donald trump, they have used that is an escape hatch and say, he is just saying this, he doesn't mean it. it's like the tucker carlson thing. he doesn't really mean what he says. it is what it is. that's not what we're talking about.