>> i thought ken chesebro might have had a case until we saw his december 6th memo that came out, where showed that he actually was the mastermind architect of the entire criminal enterprise. that was the one that i was thinking, potentially, because he's a lawyer. was a lawyer acting as a lawyer giving legal advice. so i no longer think that. so i think it's a very strong case against at least the top people. i think some of the lower level people can say, i was just, he donald trump he was our president i thought i was doing what he told me to do and i didn't mean to break the law. i think that potentially has some legs and potentially for a jury pool but for the top masterminds, the trump, the giuliani, the meadows, she's brought, those individuals, i
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