the truth. then as we went through the members some of them mentioned it and when we got to that republican holly, looked at a handful of her cases and thought she had been too lenient, and pushed back. said look, i'm the only one who saw the evidence in these heinous cases. went on and on about the fact she had seen it and her job as a judge was to figure out the sentence and said as it stands, the guidelines are outdated in this area. she went to great lengths to explain it and said in fact, if you looked at her record, what she did was just like many other judges are doing right now because the guidelines are outdated but you really saw that push and pull there and it was some of the sharpest exchanges we've seen today. >> it definitely underscored the idea of discretionary sentencing, sounds like in many respects some of the people asking the questions have more of an issue with the nature of discretion in the criminal justice system than the actual application of that discretion,